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Spoony sums it up!
Miffy
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http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/09/13/pax-coverage-final-fantasy-xiv-guild-wars-2/
Pretty much how I feel and the funny thing is the cities are also dead in the beta.
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Sums what up exactly? That you shouldn't bring a frying pan to a swordfight?
I guess it does seem like a dumb choice but maybe they thought all Spoony could handle was a crafting job for the fight because he seems brain challanged.
The dude is so egotistical he actually says that his not realizing he was watching a crafter fight a tutorial fight is because SE should've known he, Spoony!, was going to be looking at the screen at that point so they should've had the most exciting part of the game going just for him.
Who the hell is spoony and why the hell should I care what he/she thinks?
Some dude that got blown off by SE and seems to be e-raging about it.
He does have a point about the combat that though. It is somewhat boring. I could only grind in short intervals in beta without wanting to quit playing.
His points were about how a crafter throwing stones at a monster wasn't engaging. He didn't know that it was a non-combat class and he apparently didn't know that the fight was just part of the tutorial either. He reminds me of all the other negative reviews- they give the game 10 seconds, don't understand something and then go into a fit of rage because it's not familiar.
As far as combat goes, it's hard to tell what it'll be like when we all just have a few abilities and we're all soloing. It's hard to say what mid levels will be like but I think it will involve more grouping and working together and things like battle regimins will be important (let alone used).
Yeah, I've seen him linked in two places on this forum now, including a dedicated thread which has been done already. He's just some relatively entertaining fellow who's good at ranting, allowing for the easily impressed sheeple to rally behind him.
If you do a little research into his other Final Fantasy reviews, it's pretty clear he has a chip on his shoulder for the way the series is done. Further, he doesn't seem to be a serious reviewer so much as one of those reviewers who lampoon the subject matter for laughs (see: Yahtzee Crowsaw for another example).
I mean, bless them, they do a good job, they make some good poiints from time to time, but they exaggerate deliberately, and only someone who is ignorant of this would wave around their entertaining tirades as gospel.
while i NEVER personally called this "the mmo to end all mmo's" i imagine there are those who have sung the praises like julie andrews making the hills come alive with the sound of music. that being said, i'm still buying this game. i hear that same "no endgame" yadda yadda on almost every other post i've read about the open beta, and the whole "being so close to launch date......what i see wrong is.....(insert problem here)". let me say, as a person who's played to endgame on wow, for me PERSONALLY i was never concerned about endgame that much. i'm not racing to get to endgame like my last name is bolt and there's a gold medal in it for me, because it's not nor has it ever been a race to me. SE, blizzard, turbine, bioware......none of these people give you a medal or a gold star on a report card for making to endgame first. (as far as i know) streamers don't come floating down from the rooftops and confetti doesn't get launched from cannons, gilrs don't just appear topless, dr. dre or eminem don't cameo from your living room. if i remember correctly it's more of a personal reward, and to me....on FFXI....wow......and when i pick up this up (which i was doing even before i read any negative press...if that makes me one of the "sheeple" so be it.) my adventure will be making bonds in the game community...traveling around with online friends...finding a LS that likes me like i will like them....and then we will ALL be rewarded hopefully by seeing endgame stuff...as a unit. then my reward won't be a purple piece of gear, or some cool movie sequence or a youtube movie saying "first on earth to play an mmo endboss who hoo!" it'll be doing all those things with cool people...and having a good time while it's done.
and my REAL question is....i get people not liking/wanting to play/thinking it's not newbie friendly/whatever......but why do you all go through such GREAT pains to try and piss on the parades of those that do?
Played:FFXI, WoW, LOTR,EQ. Playing:FFXIV.
Looking Forward To:DCU, SWTOR.
Very appropriate and wise question.
all i know is i could careless wat some ranting manbaby says about a game :P and the hundreds of tools behind them listening to them, i can choose for myself and well if the game is my cup of tea or doesnt tickle me britches then whatever but im going to find out for myself and not listen to people who just wanna nag about something that doesnt go their way , shoot if they have other games they like then just end it there and go play their game whilst we play ours lol
Pretty much how my friends and I feel also.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
While spoony is a bit fanatic about it, I do have to agree with him on many of his points. I will ask this though, for the fans that are still going to be playing this game; Have we seen anything other than guildleaves and crafting to look forward to in this game? The main storyline seems okay, but not enough to really carry the game. FFXI had lots of random things you could do if you didn't want to lvl or craft. Reputation missions, summon quests, etc.
You'll have to look up the meaning of the word troll. Posting something negetive about a game doesn't make you a troll or invalidate your opinion. Following people's posts with nonsense meaningless mouth exercise would be a better example.
Posting honest opinions good and bad are what the forums are for. Explaining these things to people that won't accept that fact is boring.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
I dont get it, summoner wasnt even available in FF11 until further down the line, let alone "summon quests ect" .... Faction Leve Quests are like Reputation quests in this game so thats already there....
It doesnt make any sense to say something so baseless when all you get is the starting areas of a freaking beta!? beta or no... STARTING AREAS!
Sorry, what did I have to do in World of Warcraft between levels 1-20 .... o hthats right, go from A-B killing monsters with fed ex quests, only without any presentable story and a craft system that mayaswell reward you for breathing.
what do you want? MMOs always reserve the majority content for later levels....
Trolling
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Enjoyed the flick, I guess it comes down to taste in gaming and there is always room for "all types" in games. This guys does give out some good points on how I viewed the game too.
He's right about GW2 looking way more exciting but did he have to be so annoying about it? I skipped through it with the volume turned down quite a bit since he was yelling but I gathered the gist of it. We know what he'll be playing and defending on the forums pretty soon.
Could you possibly concider calming down for a second. I asked a simple question and you're already jumping down my throat, making WoW comparison, and calling me 'baseless' for asking a question. (you may want to look up how that word is used in a sentence)
I know summons were added later, but we didn't have to be the paid guinny pigs for the last MMO. Now it seems we are doing just that. However, it was still content that added just that much more to the game. What I was asking was if there's anything more than the marathon-style quests they have in the game (not including the crafting quests), in which you basically just visit a camp, pop a quest, and then you / your friends just rush towards the blinking dots on your map.
This is fine for leveling, but it's not very emmersive. It makes the game feel like a single-player game. I know there are storyline quests, but so far I haven't been too impressed with them, and I'm wondering how long before that quest line runs out (I'm assuming they aren't repeatable).
To sum things up, while FFXI had quests that were basically a rush to some monster / goal (which is how guildleaves work atm), there were also quests that added more immersion to the game / made you explore the world. Finding hidden treasures, unlocking dungeons, finding keys, etc. This new FFXIV seems to be lacking those elements, and I just have to wonder what's left, once you get through the levels. Are there advanced job quests, quests to unlock new areas, etc? Something to add more adventure into this game? Because as fun as the leaves can be, they just don't carry the game for me.
I need to remind myself of this more often, really.
I mean, Final Fantasy XIV isn't for everyone, sure. For that matter, Final Fantasy XI wasn't for everyone either, and it indeed was (and still is) lambasted up and down by a lot of people for not playing like the EverQuest clones (since everybody was cloning Everquest back then). We also had people like others around here (you know who you are) who were honestly hoping Final Fantasy XI would be like a non-Final Fantasy MMORPG, and were disappointed.
Yet, in the end, Final Fantasy XI actually exceeded EverQuest's numbers! What does that tell you about how seriously I should take these detractors? Nope, just going to sit back, watch Final Fantasy XIV relative success, and let the hater's own false convictions lead to the obvious consequences of missing out on a good time.
I dont know why I have to calm down? didnt even mean to come off as tense, and for the record, what you are saying, IS baseless! "FFXIV doesnt seem to have any of these" ... neither did FF11 in the first 20 levels of the game, or on release.... so why is FFXIV expected to give you premium content at low levels? no other MMO really does either.
Its baseless because you dont know whats in the retail game and whats beyond level 20, therefore you cant claim these things are not in game, or wether or not the leves will get more interesting.
Its common sense to assume they will.
Comparing an 8 year old game to a pre-release. I dont think alot of you appreaciate how much of an investment making an MMO from scratch is. WoW had nothing but quest grinding on release, no BGs, PvP that crashed out world servers or lagged individual players, a handful of dungeons and no raids.... nobody complained, we did the core of the game, which was leveling and just eagerly awaited this stuff.
This "spoony" whoever he else, seems to hold a terrible grudge and thinks way too highly of himself. Having said that, I think that he is sadly right about this game.
I don't understand what you want from the game, so I'm just gonna assume this isn't the game for you.
For my answer, Guildleves is what I'm excited about. A variety of different guildleves, not simply the BRONZE, ones that have been mostly available in Open beta.
I'm excited about Behests, having done my first the other day with 15 other level 15-20's. I'm excited about large scale battles they talked about once I get higher level, I'm excited about being able to level multiple jobs on one character always being able to play with my friends who play at a different speed than me without how to feel personally inconvenienced by it (I hate rolling alts).
I'm looking forward to messing with the class system as much as possible creating unique combinations that I can use in different situations to meet my, my linkshells, and my group's particular needs at any given moment.
I'm looking forward to the combat system which I find immersive with it's avoidance of mob specials, directional attacks, and the ability to destroy particular parts of mobs all increasing the strategic aspect of MMO's. I mostly play DPS classes and I find most MMO combat systems to be incredibley boring because in the end once you have mastered the rotational aspect of the class (which I am generally heavily involved in doing among the community) there really is nothing else to it, and it becomes so mind numbingly simple that simply having "top dps" loses all meaning, and sense of accomplishment and I want to bash my head against the wall because it is all so..... well simple.
Strategic combat, grouping (assisted through the improved guildleve system at launch), and complexity. That is what I am looking forward to, my collector's edition will be here soon, plan on making 2 characters, and at least 6 retainers. I'm in for the long haul and will be getting the most out of this game I am incredibley excited for.
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I think the intended meaning of the rule is to keep people from getting personal and throwing insults. ; )
It doesn't matter which side of the discussion you're on (there are always 2 sides) you still have to be courteous to the people who believe different than you. Even if it's about a game you like or think you may like that doesn't give anyone the ability to auto discredit them on a public forum. LoL
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Wow; that guy is so annoying that I want to ask what's up his ass.. but I can answer that pretty easily. Himself.
Just wow. I'm not going to comment about what he said, but wow. People actually listen to him? Watch him? Are interviewed by him? Staggering!
Wow.
Just wow.
*Edit - Okay, who pays him? Why? Where did he come from? I need to avoid somewhere, people! I'm just flabbergasted. Overwhelmed. Dismayed. He's like Yahtzee Croshaw but without the entertainment value, comedy, personality or cleverness. And that's all Yahtzee is! Agh!
"Die! Die! Die! Die! Dieeee!" ... o.o
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
Spoony is almost a strawman.
Here let me make things easier and save people time. It's an MMO. It's full of anime weaboos and is built by the same company that made a 20 hour boss battle. Square is as bad as SOE with customer service.
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?