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F2P is like rent to never own
Luthor_X
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Playing a f2p game makes me feel like I'm just renting the game. I do not feel any sense of "ownership" over my character or account. I know, I know, the standard arguement(s) supporting the business model...
1. Your account will always be there just like p2p titles (unless you are banned which works on both).
2. You never actually "own" any p2p game title.
3. You can play for free without ever really purchasing anything from the store.
4. Etc.
I know all of the above are true, but I still do not feel the same about the f2p business model -v- the p2p business model.
Am I the only one who feels this added disconnect to f2p?
*Discuss*
Comments
I dont' know what you talking about
P2P is more like the rent to never own. You have to pay 15$ a month to rent it.
Any service, online or offline (ie. gym membership) where I have to pay an ongoing fee over a set period of time (monthly or annually) feels like renting. So I actually don't feel F2P is like renting since I don't pay a fee.
Yeah, it sounds like the OP actually has it backwards.
Sure the people from APB feel like they are owning right now.
I second that.
A game is just that... a game, not an emotional crutch.
What's to discuss? You made a hypothesis, then listed perfectly reasonable arguments as to why that hypothesis is really, really silly.
Why can't you believe your own logic? Sounds like a little self-reflection is in order.
Edit: Ah, I know what your prob is. *Waves hand* You believe you own things in a p2p game. *Collects check from p2p developer*
Triple.
Nothing like a monthly payment + game cost + microtransactions (for crap that should be part of development) to really kill the fun factor of a decent game.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Quadruple. You're GUARENTEED to HAVE to pay $15 and never own. On top of a $50 retail purchase most likely. Don't like the prices on a F2P? Don't buy. Find another game. You didn't even spend any money on the initial purchase.
holy crap. people that AREN'T F2P haters!? and what comes after quad...? put me down for whatever it is.
I think it would be great if we had the same rights as renters, just think of it,
1) If you were behind on your monthly game fee you could ask for an extension to pay it, while still playing on.
2) If the game was broken or faulty and needed repair, you could withhold your rent till it was fixed, while still playing on, if possible.
3) If we had a problem or dispute with the company we could take them to a 3rd party tribunal hearing and get them to decide who is in the right and who was in the wrong.
Just a thought.
You, Sir, would be quintuple.
As others have stated, P2P is renting. The similarities are exceptionally strong.
F2P is like "Ya dude, you can crash at our beach house. But you're sleepin' on the couch if you ain't payin' rent. Sorry bro." In the end, you still get sleep and get to surf in the morning...
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
You dont own anything with P2P, you dont own any of your characters or itmes, and they can deny you access to the game whenever they want.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
I'll just quote this one because that's how I see it.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
More like the dog get the couch and you get the dog's crate, bbbuuutttt if you 'buy' the Couch Prize Box you get the a 1 in 50 chance of sleeping on the couch. Only $18.99.
Buying Toilet Tokens in quantity would be your best value though.
The logic is so poor that it seems like you are really a f2p supporter in disguise and trying to pick up a few converts.
Forever looking for employment. Life is rather dull without it.
+1
Actually, even most DD non-MMO games (Steam, Impulse...) are rent to never own as well. You can never "own" a game unless:
A) You have a full, unencrypted boxed/saved copy (D2D, GamersGate and some others allow that, though)
You do not depend on a client-server structure (or server software is provided with the game, either integrated or standalone)
C) The game does not require an online authentication (or worse, permanent connection) to install/play
Essentially, if you depend on someone else to be able to play your game, you are just renting it.
(Actually, you are just "renting" it anyways as you agree to a license whenever you buy a game, but... try to "revoke" my license to play my old, boxed retail Civilization II and see :P)
I always saw free to play as family memeber giving you a small apartment for free with power but their is no furniture and you have to buy stuff to inside so to place is only as nice as how much money you put in
or
Free to play is a restaurant that give free water and peanut and jelly sandwich but other customers who are paying get good meals that cost alot money because the restaurant is covering for the free players.
or
Free TV but you have pay to get cable,dvr,and video game system.
or
Free plane ticket Florida but you have pay for the Hotel,Food,Transportion and to get into Disney World
It does not matter which one you use the point is Free to play in most case is limited service for free and you have pay for extras and other stuff you need.Some people to focus on all the things they are not getting and they have to pay for,Some people focus on the fact they are playing a game for free and if they choose they will never a one cent.
Actually, P2P is like renting but never owning and F2P is like buying but never owning.
I've seen some daft threads in my time but this one has got to be in the top ten . Since when did you own a pay to play subscription based mmo ? NEVER . The only one I know of you truly own is Guild Wars . These free to play haters are really running out of coherant arguements .
Apparently my post in haste was confusing.
I'm not talking about physical ownership. I mean there is more of a mental disconnect between myself and my characters in a f2p game -v- a p2p game. In a p2p game, I can (can meaning posibily) be on par with the other player-base if I am willing to commit the time and energy. In most (notice not all) f2p games, you have the added element of the cash shop seperating the player-base.
That is my point. I apologize if my initial statement was misleading.
Nope. In a P2P you get the disconnect between yourself and the people who can sink unreasonable amounts of time into the game. In a F2P you get the disconnect between yourself and the people who can sink unreasonable amounts of money into the game. From the perspective of whether or not you're competitive, both offer plenty of opportunity for "disconnect".
Personally, I've come across both sorts of "disconnect" plenty of times.The difference is that if I was actually so-inclined (and this is extremely rare) I could bridge the gap more efficiently in a F2P (in the sense that one hour of work at my job is often able to save me multiple hours in the game). But in both cases, it's a disconnect you either learn to deal with somehow, or just ditch the genre entirely. I find that my own preference for healing classes sometimes offsets my weaker build, since the demand for my services (even among better equipped characters) is often higher. The rest of the time, a little patience and searching is often able to find other people in a similar situation.
A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.
You never owned anything anyway. Sorry.
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How are you?" -Me
It's funny.....I remember reading the exact same line some weeks ago but for P2P...lol.