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NitronoddyNitronoddy Member UncommonPosts: 8

Hi all this is my first post here....

Okay, So I downloaded the beta and had a little look but had major framrate issues (was getting about 10fps that wasnt enjoyable).

So my question is what to upgrade?

Here is my current system spec:

 

Foxconn A6VMX mobo

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core processor 4600+ 2.40Ghz

3 gig  DDR2  @333mhz memory

Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS 256mb Video card

Windows 7  (32 bit) Ultimate edition

 

So pc spec is quite low but all i can afford to upgrade at the moment is the video card... Would something like the following improve things any and make purchasing Final Fantasy XIV when its released worthwhile ?

 

Sparkle Geforce GT220 1GB

Model number : SXT2201024D2G-NMP

Core Clock: 700MHz

Shader Clock: 1800MHz

Memory Clock: 1800MHz

Stream Processors: 128

 

Many thanks for all sensible replies...

Comments

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    The video card looks good, but I'd consider maybe getting more ram?  3 gb just seems kind of low I mean I have twice that.

     

    I have a GeForce GTX 275 and I run beta with near max settings (only 8x AA) at 1920x1080 resolution, but I also have 6 gb ram and an i7 processor.

     

    Also you would be better off takign this post to the technical support forums at one of the FFXIV forums.  I wouldn't trust what half of the posters here say.  I'd recommend http://www.eorzeapedia.com/forums/ or ffxivcore you should find some helpful people there.

  • DevalonDevalon Member UncommonPosts: 496

    Originally posted by Nitronoddy

    Hi all this is my first post here....

    Okay, So I downloaded the beta and had a little look but had major framrate issues (was getting about 10fps that wasnt enjoyable).

    So my question is what to upgrade?

    Here is my current system spec:

     

    Foxconn A6VMX mobo

    AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core processor 4600+ 2.40Ghz

    3 gig  DDR2  @333mhz memory

    Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS 256mb Video card

    Windows 7  (32 bit) Ultimate edition

     

    So pc spec is quite low but all i can afford to upgrade at the moment is the video card... Would something like the following improve things any and make purchasing Final Fantasy XIV when its released worthwhile ?

     

    Sparkle Geforce GT220 1GB

    Model number : SXT2201024D2G-NMP

    Core Clock: 700MHz

    Shader Clock: 1800MHz

    Memory Clock: 1800MHz

    Stream Processors: 128

     

    Many thanks for all sensible replies...

    You might want to check what bottlenecking the computer first. Run FF14 in windows mode and just take a look at your resource monitor and your nvidia utility. See what one running at 100% all the time.  The video card might be enough to run it at  1024 by 760.

    --
    "Any free people have the right to choose how it wants to be govern thats the essence of democracy. It's sad when America has chosen for the stability and consistency of a dictatorship and doing it democratically" -utnow

  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    I think I found your problem.  The Geforce 8400 GS is a $35 video card.   It hasn't been on the hardware charts since 2007, where it performed lackluster.  Final Fantasy XIV is amongst the most hardware intensive games out there. 

    You're going to need to upgrade if you expect to get decent performance out of this game.  My advice is to use the Tom's Hardware video card benchmarks and find the highest performance card you can get for the price you can afford.  NVIDIA is ideal.  The system requirements page says you need a "GTX 460 with 768 MB VRAM or equivalent," but I think that's a little high.  I can actually run the game fairly comfortably on a GTS 250.

    Actually, maybe you could get the game playable on your current card if you don't mind cranking the resolution down to the smallest size and turning off all the bells and whistles.  Give it a shot, use the Final Fantasy XI config program on your start menu.  Sure, its' a meaty, meaty program, but maybe it scales well.

  • DevalonDevalon Member UncommonPosts: 496

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    I think I found your problem.  The Geforce 8400 GS is a $35 video card.   It hasn't been on the hardware charts since 2007, where it performed lackluster.  Final Fantasy XIV is amongst the most hardware intensive games out there.  You're going to need to upgrade.  Use the Tom's Hardware video card benchmarks and find the highest performance card you can get for the price you can afford.  NVIDIA is ideal.

    Actually, maybe you could get the game playable on your current card if you don't mind cranking the resolution down to the smallest size and turning off all the bells and whistles.  Give it a shot, use the Final Fantasy XI config program on your start menu.  Sure, its' a meaty, meaty program, but maybe it scales well.

    He should be. This game is design for the ps3 a high cpu with low video card. This game Is just bad optimization for the PC. the UI performance  was just being work on this month!

    He should just make sure his resolution is low in the settings.

    --
    "Any free people have the right to choose how it wants to be govern thats the essence of democracy. It's sad when America has chosen for the stability and consistency of a dictatorship and doing it democratically" -utnow

  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    Originally posted by Devalon

    He should be. This game is design for the ps3 a high cpu with low video card.

    You can't really say that.  The thing is, the PS3 is a dedicated gaming machine, and those CPUs (the cells) are utilized much differently than a PC because the engineers knew the primary thing the PS3 would be doing is 3D rendering.  The PC video card has to pick up a bit of that slack, as the PC architexture is built to offload the greater body of rendering onto the VPU.   If we could do all those video operations in our CPU, we'd probably have all switched over to a software video card some time around when the quad core CPUs were released.

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    Originally posted by Devalon

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    I think I found your problem.  The Geforce 8400 GS is a $35 video card.   It hasn't been on the hardware charts since 2007, where it performed lackluster.  Final Fantasy XIV is amongst the most hardware intensive games out there.  You're going to need to upgrade.  Use the Tom's Hardware video card benchmarks and find the highest performance card you can get for the price you can afford.  NVIDIA is ideal.

    Actually, maybe you could get the game playable on your current card if you don't mind cranking the resolution down to the smallest size and turning off all the bells and whistles.  Give it a shot, use the Final Fantasy XI config program on your start menu.  Sure, its' a meaty, meaty program, but maybe it scales well.

    He should be. This game is design for the ps3 a high cpu with low video card. This game Is just bad optimization for the PC. the UI performance  was just being work on this month!

    He should just make sure his resolution is low in the settings.

    If the game was currently designed or optimized for the PS3's specs it would be releasing in 5 days not next year.

  • NitronoddyNitronoddy Member UncommonPosts: 8

    Just ran the beta in windowed mode and it was slightly better but still a mare to play....

     

    I think a new vid card is definitely in order then get the FF XIV collectors edition ordered ;)

     

    Thanks for all replies.

     

    Best wishes Glenn

  • BesttheiswowBesttheiswow Member Posts: 301

    Originally posted by Nitronoddy

    Hi all this is my first post here....

    Okay, So I downloaded the beta and had a little look but had major framrate issues (was getting about 10fps that wasnt enjoyable).

    So my question is what to upgrade?

    Here is my current system spec:

     

    Foxconn A6VMX mobo

    AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core processor 4600+ 2.40Ghz

    3 gig  DDR2  @333mhz memory

    Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS 256mb Video card

    Windows 7  (32 bit) Ultimate edition

     

    So pc spec is quite low but all i can afford to upgrade at the moment is the video card... Would something like the following improve things any and make purchasing Final Fantasy XIV when its released worthwhile ?

     

    Sparkle Geforce GT220 1GB

    Model number : SXT2201024D2G-NMP

    Core Clock: 700MHz

    Shader Clock: 1800MHz

    Memory Clock: 1800MHz

    Stream Processors: 128

     

    Many thanks for all sensible replies...

    Dont upgrade.

     

    Spend 1/4 of the money you would on a new rig and buy a ps3, then profit playing FF14 at full settings in a big screen.

     

    So wait for ps3 version..afterall FF14 is a console mmorpg...this pc version is nothing but a beta so they get the console version working as people want, thats wat is important for a console mmorpg.

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    Originally posted by Besttheiswow

    Originally posted by Nitronoddy

    Hi all this is my first post here....

    Okay, So I downloaded the beta and had a little look but had major framrate issues (was getting about 10fps that wasnt enjoyable).

    So my question is what to upgrade?

    Here is my current system spec:

     

    Foxconn A6VMX mobo

    AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core processor 4600+ 2.40Ghz

    3 gig  DDR2  @333mhz memory

    Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS 256mb Video card

    Windows 7  (32 bit) Ultimate edition

     

    So pc spec is quite low but all i can afford to upgrade at the moment is the video card... Would something like the following improve things any and make purchasing Final Fantasy XIV when its released worthwhile ?

     

    Sparkle Geforce GT220 1GB

    Model number : SXT2201024D2G-NMP

    Core Clock: 700MHz

    Shader Clock: 1800MHz

    Memory Clock: 1800MHz

    Stream Processors: 128

     

    Many thanks for all sensible replies...

    Dont upgrade.

     

    Spend 1/4 of the money you would on a new rig and buy a ps3, then profit playing FF14 at full settings in a big screen.

     

    So wait for ps3 version..afterall FF14 is a console mmorpg...this pc version is nothing but a beta so they get the console version working as people want, thats wat is important for a console mmorpg.

    ^ this is why you go to an FFXIV specific forum.  So you can avoid ignorant and obvious trolls like this.

     

    I haven't touched a console since the Super Nintendo, I've played nearly every AAA mmo on the market and can't wait to get my Collector's edition of FFXIV.

  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    Originally posted by Besttheiswow

    Spend 1/4 of the money you would on a new rig and buy a ps3, then profit playing FF14 at full settings in a big screen.

    So wait for ps3 version..afterall FF14 is a console mmorpg...this pc version is nothing but a beta so they get the console version working as people want, thats wat is important for a console mmorpg.

    Whether or not the argument that FFXIV is a primarily a console MMORPG holds water (the haters sure want us to believe it) if upgrading your computer is too much of a hassle for you, by all means wait 6 months for the PS3 version to come out.

    Don't tell yourself it'll be cheaper, though.  PC hardware these days is pretty cheap, you could put together a decent-performing box for the price of a PS3 ($300-$400) easily enough, assuming you already have a monitor.  

    The original poster here seems to mostly be lacking in an up-to-date video card.  This GTS 250 I'm using right now can be got for about $100-$125, and it runs the game well enough, although if you can afford something that has a better price/performance margin (see that tom's hardware chart I posted earlier in the thread to get a good idea about performance) it'll be a good investment to spring a few more bucks for it.

  • AlanakoAlanako Member Posts: 188
    Originally posted by Nitronoddy

    Hi all this is my first post here....
    Okay, So I downloaded the beta and had a little look but had major framrate issues (was getting about 10fps that wasnt enjoyable).
    So my question is what to upgrade?
    Here is my current system spec:
     
    Foxconn A6VMX mobo
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core processor 4600+ 2.40Ghz
    3 gig  DDR2  @333mhz memory
    Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS 256mb Video card
    Windows 7  (32 bit) Ultimate edition
     
    So pc spec is quite low but all i can afford to upgrade at the moment is the video card... Would something like the following improve things any and make purchasing Final Fantasy XIV when its released worthwhile ?
     
    Sparkle Geforce GT220 1GB
    Model number : SXT2201024D2G-NMP
    Core Clock: 700MHz

    Shader Clock: 1800MHz

    Memory Clock: 1800MHz

    Stream Processors: 128
     
    Many thanks for all sensible replies...

     

    I don't think buying a gt220 would be a good idea, unless it offers a huge improvement over a gt210
    I have testedthe game benchmark in the three computers at home.
    One is an old one (4-5 years old). AMD 3400 CPU (single core) with 2gb of memory and a nvidia 9600 graphics card (upgraded the old card so my daughter cold play the sims 3 on it). It scored 1400 on low on the benchmark
    Second was the one conected to the TV to store and watch video. It have an intel quadcore serie 9xxx CPU (donr remember exact model and im not at home), 8gb ddr2 memory, 4.2tb of hdds and a nvidia gt210 card. It score a little under 500 in the benchmark at low res
    So, unless the gt220 is a relly big improvement, the game is prety intensive on the video card and the low level models of each card generation dpnt have the power tp manage it.
  • terroniterroni Member Posts: 935

    I'd wait till you had enough money to buy something heftier.

    Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.

  • mainvein33mainvein33 Member Posts: 406

    Well its a late post and I can tell you that you have been given enough info to cover all the points but ill post a link to the guy who basically answered all your questions one shot http://www.linkshells.com/content.php?125-You-don-t-need-a-1-500-PC-to-run-FFXIV I hope that helps.

  • AericynAericyn Member UncommonPosts: 394

    One concern I would mention is your CPU - it's a 2006 model. Based on my experience that is likely going to be a bottleneck with any current generation video card available. So you won't experience baseline performance increases with just the card.

    Plus verify if your mainboard and power supply can handle the new card you decide on, before you pick it up.

    I am a little out of touch on AGP/PCI-e these days but you want to make sure your mainboard supports whatever format the card is.

  • NekrataalNekrataal Member Posts: 557

    Yeah, like others have said, wait for the PS3 release.

    You need a new PC man... not just a new gpu.

  • YauchyYauchy Member UncommonPosts: 298

    Yeah, bad times for you :/

    Best chance at mustering a play would be a new graphics card, but your CPU will definitely bottleneck it.  Also your RAM is dated too, should try to muster DDR2-800 in the least (though 3GB is plenty, 32-bit only utilizes up to 3.5gb effectively anyway).

    Truthfully your system specs mirrors a pc I built 4+ years ago and will struggle to even muster ffxiv on minimal specs.  I agree with other replies on using the PS3, but another option (if strapped for cash & not wanting a ps3 option) could be trying a mini-pc with a low-profile GPU (runs about $275-400 depending on stats).

    Good luck and god speed on that rig (I gave one almost identical to my mom a year & half ago)...yikes!

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