I have said it before and I will say it again....this game will get better with time. I would play it If I had a machine to play it on. And When I do get one I plan on a life time sub.
With all the new episodes added, and fixes and other stuff, ur (PROBABLY) gonna have a great time with STO for a couple of months until you run out of content.
And yes, STO is more like a semi-MMO than a full fledged-MMO, but i usually see so many people around me (players) at any given time it doesnt really bother me, AT LEAST not as much as the lack of content.....
To sum it up; buy the game and enjoy it while it lasts, just dont expect it to last you for months like other mmorpg's do:)
Two comment I take exception to and suggest the writer brush up on his info on the game:
The developers have stated that they never expected the numbers out of the Klingon faction and that it is far too inactive to warrant a full progression path of its own. They have added some light content, including a mission featuring Star Trek: The Next Generation's Worf and a trip to Gre'thor, the Klingon religion's answer to hell. However, there are no plans for much in the way of Klingon content for this game and Klingons have been told to expect that the majority of their content will come from faction neutral missions, shared with the Federation and other factions that will be added down the road.
By and large, the Klingon faction seems driven by a focused group of malcontent separatists who want their own game and are clinging on to promises broken a year or more ago when the vision presented was for a radically different game than the (actually promising, albeit effectively single faction) game we have now.
I'd suggest the author review the game and the announcement made with regards to the game from the beginning and up to the present. Statement number one is pure fiction , as Cryptic never publicly stated this , but made it a self fulfilling prophecy. The CEO promised a fully fleshed out faction . Even today they promise more faction specific content.
Point number two is largely a subjective statement based on an obvious lack of experience playing or experiencing the content. The editior need to bring this person to task for the lack professionalism that is on display here. The suggestion that the game should be a single player game is mentioned nowhere in Cryptics discription of the game . The so called malcontents are only guilty of holding Cryptics feet to the fire in an attempt to get Cryptic to fulfill it's own statements and game design , most being Lifetime subscribers upset with the state of the game.
MMORPG's credibility is to be severly questioned based on this article and the authors ineptitude. The lack of research and the inability to even properly research the Klingon faction tell the entire story.
I have said it before and I will say it again....this game will get better with time. I would play it If I had a machine to play it on. And When I do get one I plan on a life time sub.
All MMOs in history have become better after a while ('cept maybe SWG) so it doesn't say much.
They shouldn't have made it in 2 years, MMOs releasing too early will never catch up, only exception so far is Eve and I doubt this will be the second.
1 year more in development and adding more diplomacy to the game so it would be truer to the IP and the game might have done fine but now it will be another Vanguard.
STO sure is cheap, huh? You get to pay up to $20 for a ship, that you cant even aqcuire by playing the damn game. I admit, it's improving, but very very slowly. Giving it a re-review like 8 months after it was released sounds rubbish, the main thing that has been added was weekly episodes like 3 weeks ago. There's nothing other than that really. Perhaps you should've re-reviewed Cryptics other piece of crap game, Champion Online.
This game is barely worth a 6 and you give it 7.4 and have the balls to say its "good value".
If they do add Romulan as a seperate faction - and properly, not just another half ar$ed Klingon type Faction, then i'd give it some serious thought about trying the game, though the heavy instancing and lack of social aspects does give me some concerns too. I think this game is still one to keep an eye on, but i dont know that i would recommend it to anyone, at least.. not yet.
I was thinking about trying this game again. However, I would want to play a Klingon, and well that is obviously out the question....so I will go back to EvE Online, and wait for GWII or one of the other new MMOs coming out in the next year.
Currently Play: ? Occasionally Play: Champions, Pirates of the Burning Sea, WOW, EVE ONLINE
LOL at people believing those incompetent fools at Cryptic will finish fleshing out the Klingons. They said they'd do it at the 45 day patch. Well, Season 2 came and went. How's the Klingon gameplay going? Are there more KDF players now? Did they improve the KDF faction lineup of ships like they did with the Federation? (hahaha) Did they give the KDF faction a worthy variety of uniforms?
Those fools have no real intention on fleshing out the Klingons. They've been blowing smoke for months now.
And for you guys hoping for the Romulans? Not gonna happen. Unless they release them in a completely backwards, half-a**ed, incomplete way like they did with the Klingons.
Because the Federation is where all their attention goes.
Unless they're busy trying to find ways to fleece their customers with new stuff in the C-Store.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
That will be Neverwinter Nights. The news about that has been out here for a little while now, and it's an unfortunate turn of events.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I haven't played STO since the disaster that was so wishfully named 'beta' so I can't comment on the accuracy of the re-review, but I will say this. Games that so royally screw the pooch and so blatently rip people off DO NOT DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE.
STO was designed and launched in such a catastrophic state because Cryptic was counting on that second chance. It's re-reviews like this that cause publishers to green light shit like what Cryptic pulled.
I don't know about other people, but I want to play a good, solid, FINISHED MMO... ON LAUNCH DAY. People who've played MMO's for a few years will probably agree that's become wishful thinking at best. Why? Because websites like this one looking out for the publishers advertising buck instead of the players best interest.
This is the kind of review that will cause MMORPG.com reviewers/reviews to loose credibility... this game, to pretty much anybody I talk to about it, is a 100 hour offline game that they plopped online instead. I have a rating posted months ago so I wont repeat myself...
This game is not at all that good for more than a drive by... unless they did a TOTAL overhaul, expanded space, expanded ground, scrapped the "lobby" of galaxies... I respect any developers attempt at creativity... but not every effort is going to be good... you have to have an eye for mediocrity... this is just that...
I was thinking about trying this game again. However, I would want to play a Klingon, and well that is obviously out the question....so I will go back to EvE Online, and wait for GWII or one of the other new MMOs coming out in the next year.
I'm currently leveling a Klingon and having fun. However, I'm alternating between my Fed and my Klingon, so I cant say I wouldnt get bored if I was ONLY playing my Klingon.
Where is the discussion on game play? You just seem to gloss over it. Basically it does not resemble Star Trek in any shape or form beyond the fancy graphics. Star Trek was all about exploration and there is zero, zip, nada of that in this game.
Giving this game a 5 is being kind, your 7.4 is absolutely absurd. Don't try to tell me they are improving it, the basic game design is a complete failure, you just can't fix that.
Not a bad looking game but not one I would ever pay a sub fee to again. It's not out of any particular venom at Cryptic either as some will probably respond I just realize that as it stands now the game could provide a player like myself with a few weeks fun at the most making it never worth the monthly sub fee. I must admit though if it were free like during the welcome back weekend I made it to I would probably log in to see what new things they added but not much more than that still.
While I'm not willing to disagree with the review score I can definitely say it couldn't rate that high from me (and would also still rate lower than the original score it got here).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
"The Klingon faction also saw racial uniform options added already in Season Two."
Really? Well, I guess it can be considered 'radical' when you look at how awful it was at launch; when something starts out at rock bottom, the only direction it can go is up. My god, the Klingon players just recently were begging for a frikking coat! Also, in regards to the comment in the article about Cryptic breaking their promise on the Klingons a year ago, that comment is false. Cryptic was promising that the Klingons would be a fully fleshed out faction at launch, and afterwards; the 45 day patch was supposed to focus on them initially, as Cryptic stated they needed time to make a Klingon version of the Genesis system.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I believe that your score of 7.x is FAR too nice for an incomplete product. How is it possible, then, for your staff for rate any finished product lower than an 8?
I understand STO has given MMORPG.com revenue for advertising on your front page, ran multiple contests on your site, and had an interview or two with your staff. However, you are an MMO news reporting site. Your stance and your staff's should be impartial to any development studio.
This "re-review" is obviously very much influenced by the site's relationship with the game's development company, painting the game and the development studio in good light. Standing by this article's score, and missing significant areas for review, causes you to lose creditability among the player base and other note-worthy MMO industry sites.
just viewed the review. It does a nice review of the things we have recently viewed in STO.
Its nice to view that there are some who view the need of re-viewing sto to make a rereview of previous reviews..
And i must say that, right now, in retrospect i do believe that Star Trek Online will soar high in the years to come. The devs DO hear us, and Daniel Stahl is as good a executive producer as we could ever desire. Most executives these days seem to think that they are far too important to debate ideas with the community, but dstahl, rekhan and others are so in touch with the community that we sometimes forget who we are talking to.
All in all, i surprisingly found myself playing STO every single day again since last week, and only after reading this re-review i noticed that i was once more having fun. STO future does looks brighter and brighter from where we stand
And another thing i must say is.. most people in here who are complaining and whining should be a little more involved in STO's community before saying that this game sucks. The thing is that STO was plagued by bad decisions in the past, and now it is entirely under new management. In the past 3 months, dStahl managed to turn water into wine regarding some aspects of the game, and there still is much more to come. Just wait until the new ground-combat system hits the main server...
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I have said it before and I will say it again....this game will get better with time. I would play it If I had a machine to play it on. And When I do get one I plan on a life time sub.
With all the new episodes added, and fixes and other stuff, ur (PROBABLY) gonna have a great time with STO for a couple of months until you run out of content.
And yes, STO is more like a semi-MMO than a full fledged-MMO, but i usually see so many people around me (players) at any given time it doesnt really bother me, AT LEAST not as much as the lack of content.....
To sum it up; buy the game and enjoy it while it lasts, just dont expect it to last you for months like other mmorpg's do:)
Cheers
Two comment I take exception to and suggest the writer brush up on his info on the game:
The developers have stated that they never expected the numbers out of the Klingon faction and that it is far too inactive to warrant a full progression path of its own. They have added some light content, including a mission featuring Star Trek: The Next Generation's Worf and a trip to Gre'thor, the Klingon religion's answer to hell. However, there are no plans for much in the way of Klingon content for this game and Klingons have been told to expect that the majority of their content will come from faction neutral missions, shared with the Federation and other factions that will be added down the road.
By and large, the Klingon faction seems driven by a focused group of malcontent separatists who want their own game and are clinging on to promises broken a year or more ago when the vision presented was for a radically different game than the (actually promising, albeit effectively single faction) game we have now.
I'd suggest the author review the game and the announcement made with regards to the game from the beginning and up to the present. Statement number one is pure fiction , as Cryptic never publicly stated this , but made it a self fulfilling prophecy. The CEO promised a fully fleshed out faction . Even today they promise more faction specific content.
Point number two is largely a subjective statement based on an obvious lack of experience playing or experiencing the content. The editior need to bring this person to task for the lack professionalism that is on display here. The suggestion that the game should be a single player game is mentioned nowhere in Cryptics discription of the game . The so called malcontents are only guilty of holding Cryptics feet to the fire in an attempt to get Cryptic to fulfill it's own statements and game design , most being Lifetime subscribers upset with the state of the game.
MMORPG's credibility is to be severly questioned based on this article and the authors ineptitude. The lack of research and the inability to even properly research the Klingon faction tell the entire story.
Yep..no diplomacy,Real exploration= fail imo. Space combat WAS hella fun though.
All MMOs in history have become better after a while ('cept maybe SWG) so it doesn't say much.
They shouldn't have made it in 2 years, MMOs releasing too early will never catch up, only exception so far is Eve and I doubt this will be the second.
1 year more in development and adding more diplomacy to the game so it would be truer to the IP and the game might have done fine but now it will be another Vanguard.
STO sure is cheap, huh? You get to pay up to $20 for a ship, that you cant even aqcuire by playing the damn game. I admit, it's improving, but very very slowly. Giving it a re-review like 8 months after it was released sounds rubbish, the main thing that has been added was weekly episodes like 3 weeks ago. There's nothing other than that really. Perhaps you should've re-reviewed Cryptics other piece of crap game, Champion Online.
This game is barely worth a 6 and you give it 7.4 and have the balls to say its "good value".
Lol this reviewer seems to have been playing a compleatly diffrent game to the one ive tried.
To me this game is unfixable, there engine just does not make good MMOs.
If they do add Romulan as a seperate faction - and properly, not just another half ar$ed Klingon type Faction, then i'd give it some serious thought about trying the game, though the heavy instancing and lack of social aspects does give me some concerns too. I think this game is still one to keep an eye on, but i dont know that i would recommend it to anyone, at least.. not yet.
Heres a newsflash for you: you dont have to have anything in the C-store. I havent bought anything myself, and I dont plan to.
I have to agree with most here. It's half a game at best... Sadly, a typical cryptic cash-grab game
I was thinking about trying this game again. However, I would want to play a Klingon, and well that is obviously out the question....so I will go back to EvE Online, and wait for GWII or one of the other new MMOs coming out in the next year.
Currently Play: ?
Occasionally Play: Champions, Pirates of the Burning Sea, WOW, EVE ONLINE
LOL at people believing those incompetent fools at Cryptic will finish fleshing out the Klingons. They said they'd do it at the 45 day patch. Well, Season 2 came and went. How's the Klingon gameplay going? Are there more KDF players now? Did they improve the KDF faction lineup of ships like they did with the Federation? (hahaha) Did they give the KDF faction a worthy variety of uniforms?
Those fools have no real intention on fleshing out the Klingons. They've been blowing smoke for months now.
And for you guys hoping for the Romulans? Not gonna happen. Unless they release them in a completely backwards, half-a**ed, incomplete way like they did with the Klingons.
Because the Federation is where all their attention goes.
Unless they're busy trying to find ways to fleece their customers with new stuff in the C-Store.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
That will be Neverwinter Nights. The news about that has been out here for a little while now, and it's an unfortunate turn of events.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I haven't played STO since the disaster that was so wishfully named 'beta' so I can't comment on the accuracy of the re-review, but I will say this. Games that so royally screw the pooch and so blatently rip people off DO NOT DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE.
STO was designed and launched in such a catastrophic state because Cryptic was counting on that second chance. It's re-reviews like this that cause publishers to green light shit like what Cryptic pulled.
I don't know about other people, but I want to play a good, solid, FINISHED MMO... ON LAUNCH DAY. People who've played MMO's for a few years will probably agree that's become wishful thinking at best. Why? Because websites like this one looking out for the publishers advertising buck instead of the players best interest.
Thanks!
Edit: doesn't matter.
This is the kind of review that will cause MMORPG.com reviewers/reviews to loose credibility... this game, to pretty much anybody I talk to about it, is a 100 hour offline game that they plopped online instead. I have a rating posted months ago so I wont repeat myself...
This game is not at all that good for more than a drive by... unless they did a TOTAL overhaul, expanded space, expanded ground, scrapped the "lobby" of galaxies... I respect any developers attempt at creativity... but not every effort is going to be good... you have to have an eye for mediocrity... this is just that...
I'm currently leveling a Klingon and having fun. However, I'm alternating between my Fed and my Klingon, so I cant say I wouldnt get bored if I was ONLY playing my Klingon.
Where is the discussion on game play? You just seem to gloss over it. Basically it does not resemble Star Trek in any shape or form beyond the fancy graphics. Star Trek was all about exploration and there is zero, zip, nada of that in this game.
Giving this game a 5 is being kind, your 7.4 is absolutely absurd. Don't try to tell me they are improving it, the basic game design is a complete failure, you just can't fix that.
Not a bad looking game but not one I would ever pay a sub fee to again. It's not out of any particular venom at Cryptic either as some will probably respond I just realize that as it stands now the game could provide a player like myself with a few weeks fun at the most making it never worth the monthly sub fee. I must admit though if it were free like during the welcome back weekend I made it to I would probably log in to see what new things they added but not much more than that still.
While I'm not willing to disagree with the review score I can definitely say it couldn't rate that high from me (and would also still rate lower than the original score it got here).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Are you kidding me 7.4 really?!!!! Did Cryptic just buy advertising and this re-review a throw in bonus for them?
As one poster already said it is reviews like this makes this site lose all credibility.
I suppose you would give APB a 7 then.........
"The Klingon faction also saw racial uniform options added already in Season Two."
Really? Well, I guess it can be considered 'radical' when you look at how awful it was at launch; when something starts out at rock bottom, the only direction it can go is up. My god, the Klingon players just recently were begging for a frikking coat! Also, in regards to the comment in the article about Cryptic breaking their promise on the Klingons a year ago, that comment is false. Cryptic was promising that the Klingons would be a fully fleshed out faction at launch, and afterwards; the 45 day patch was supposed to focus on them initially, as Cryptic stated they needed time to make a Klingon version of the Genesis system.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Try reading again. The word was raCial, not raDical.
I believe that your score of 7.x is FAR too nice for an incomplete product. How is it possible, then, for your staff for rate any finished product lower than an 8?
I understand STO has given MMORPG.com revenue for advertising on your front page, ran multiple contests on your site, and had an interview or two with your staff. However, you are an MMO news reporting site. Your stance and your staff's should be impartial to any development studio.
This "re-review" is obviously very much influenced by the site's relationship with the game's development company, painting the game and the development studio in good light. Standing by this article's score, and missing significant areas for review, causes you to lose creditability among the player base and other note-worthy MMO industry sites.
7.4???
so does that mean that mmorpg is now rating games on a scale that goes to 20?
if sto is a 7.4 i can think of half a dozen games that are above 10.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
just viewed the review. It does a nice review of the things we have recently viewed in STO.
Its nice to view that there are some who view the need of re-viewing sto to make a rereview of previous reviews..
And i must say that, right now, in retrospect i do believe that Star Trek Online will soar high in the years to come. The devs DO hear us, and Daniel Stahl is as good a executive producer as we could ever desire. Most executives these days seem to think that they are far too important to debate ideas with the community, but dstahl, rekhan and others are so in touch with the community that we sometimes forget who we are talking to.
All in all, i surprisingly found myself playing STO every single day again since last week, and only after reading this re-review i noticed that i was once more having fun. STO future does looks brighter and brighter from where we stand
And another thing i must say is.. most people in here who are complaining and whining should be a little more involved in STO's community before saying that this game sucks. The thing is that STO was plagued by bad decisions in the past, and now it is entirely under new management. In the past 3 months, dStahl managed to turn water into wine regarding some aspects of the game, and there still is much more to come. Just wait until the new ground-combat system hits the main server...