Actually FF XIV is extreme easy mode, so you might as well drop the elitism. Its bascially see a mob and kill it. That is zero depth. It even shows you were things are going to spawn, which are also just for you and you alone. There is absolutly nothing hard or difficult about FF XIV.
"see a mob and kill it"
Considering that 98% of the mobs in the game will annihilate you with that simple tactic, you're going to need a hell of a lot of strategy to get anywhere in this game. The enemies in last generation MMOs often follow a simple pattern of "get to this level, get this tier equipment, and use EXACTLY THESE ABILITIES in EXACTLY THIS ORDER" in order to guarantee victory in combat. The massive popularity of old-school walkthrough sites like Tankspot are evidence of this fact. On the other hand, the entire battle dynamics of FFXIV can change based on a single spell miss, a single piece of broken equipment, or accidentally aggroing an unexpected mob. Players may suddenly find themselves on the verge of death with no means to have prevented it, and they need to have the skills and abilities to react in time. Crafting can be equally challenging, as players must be willing to risk potentially losing an enormous amount of gil creating higher quality materials, and they must be willing to change their synthesis strategy based on a surprise elemental instability or repeated failure rates.
Simply put, FFXIV is challenging as hell and your arguments show you probably haven't played the game too seriously.
Actually most mobs in the game will annihalate simply because they are higher level. Sounds like you need to get a wider understanding of MMOs, especially one's that aren't simply tank and spank.
Except that most people will be fighting higher level mobs through groups meaning that they actually do have to take into account individual mob strategies.
Only those fighting low blues can ignore mob specials etc., especially once you get much past rank 20.
I also stand by my previous statement, it does service to the community I want to be a part of. I don't care about elitism/exclusivity but I do care about not changing a game/community to cater to those types while at the same time making it less appealing to myself and others. They have plenty of games to flock to specifically designed with them in mind, all we have are 8 year old+ ones with declining populations, outdated graphics, and severe limitations on their designs.
No they don't. Someone has to tank, while the rest dps it down. Its not complex, its tank and spanking.
You can kill higher level mobs in any MMO, if grouped. There are also pleny of modern grinders around, so not sure where you are getting only old MMOs being out there. FF XIV is not an old style sandbox MMO, its a stripped down themepark one (i.e. a central themed story arc, with grinding to fill the gaps).
Something, something.. WoW sucks... Something, Something.. Left with my wife.. Something, Something, ruined MMORPGs.
That's what I got out of this entire thread...
Also, I'd like to just say that the title post and the OP's demanor is a vagrant display of how badly the community in today's MMORPGs have degraded >.<
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
Cause the MMO gaming community are a bunch of sheep and will follow anything as long as other people are in agreement.
In this particular case, the OP, who says he hasn't played MMO's very much, makes general statements about how WoW is easy mode... ok? First of all, spell realize correctly. Thank you. Then imagine how easy it was at release when nobody knew the quests or locations. Then, take PvP for example. Arena may depend a crazy amount on gear, which is stupid, but it is not 'easy' to get 2000+ rating.
People seem to think WoW is some piece of s**t horrible game, yet they compare it to everything. All-the-while, it still has 13 million + subs.
This site is not exactly a WoW fansite. Many of the visitors are survivors of WoW or don´t want to play it at all. People here are often looking for a different experience. Since the different experiences were unfinished, many people here are looking fore different and finished experiences.
No more "There will be"
And this is my opinion.
Oh, my goodness, you know this may be the first time I've ever received a forum criticism that caused me to laugh out loud in real life for the sheer overzealousness of the underlying cluelessness of it.
"Your post is an insult for the future of MMOs."
Why? Because it's that important to you they all have to play like World of Warcraft or something? Because you can see the future of entertainment in MMORPGs? Funny how even people who do that for a living would not make these claims. Oh,
God, I might have to print this one out and post it on my wall.
Take a look at my profile and tell me again how little I am about MMORPGs. Apparently, I know more than you do, because you didn't realize that hwen I said the greater majorrity of MMORPG players experience is related ot World of Warcraft is because I can verify this with hard data.
You might also have to explain to me what "you earn money with supporting weak MMOgames" means. That didn't translate well. What you probably mean to say is something along the lines of, "because idiots like you spend money on these games, these bad MMOgames are able to be supported." Which is a tad ignorant - if the thing didn't entertain me, do you honestly think I would have bought it? Because it did entertain me, it earned the money quite well, thank you.
Cause the MMO gaming community are a bunch of sheep and will follow anything as long as other people are in agreement.
In this particular case, the OP, who says he hasn't played MMO's very much, makes general statements about how WoW is easy mode... ok? First of all, spell realize correctly. Thank you. Then imagine how easy it was at release when nobody knew the quests or locations. Then, take PvP for example. Arena may depend a crazy amount on gear, which is stupid, but it is not 'easy' to get 2000+ rating.
People seem to think WoW is some piece of s**t horrible game, yet they compare it to everything. All-the-while, it still has 13 million + subs.
Because it's so much easier to hop on the bandwagon instead of walking. People would rather take what they read on the Internet as fact rather than create their own opinion and this is one of the reasons MMORPGs as a genre continues to deteriorate.
Hating on WoW players is like hating on the goth/emo kids in High School. You don't try to understand them. It's just easier to hate them because everyone else does.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
Most of the people bashing it are probally mmorpg players who were spoon fed by WoW and its cloned ilk and don't have any real clue what-so-ever of what a REAL mmorpg was about.
People like you piss me off. Stop using your computer, modern medicine, guns, go back to hunting and gathering with sticks and stones, because you can't comprehend the idea of progress.
I hope the FFXIV community is not full of asinine hats like you.
Sadly, its looking like its heading that way. Deluded fanbois, who think a cut down MMO is something difficult, while insulting others. Nope, its just shallow, with not much to do. Having to grind does not make something difficult. It just means one is easily entertained.
I've also never seen a group of people so obsessed with WoW, at least outside of those who actually play it (which I don't).
"not much to do" sorry, what cant you do in FFXIV levels 1-20 that can be done in other MMOs?
Where is this "lack of content" I hear haters ranting on about?
Most of the people bashing it are probally mmorpg players who were spoon fed by WoW and its cloned ilk and don't have any real clue what-so-ever of what a REAL mmorpg was about.
People like you piss me off. Stop using your computer, modern medicine, guns, go back to hunting and gathering with sticks and stones, because you can't comprehend the idea of progress.
I hope the FFXIV community is not full of asinine hats like you.
Sadly, its looking like its heading that way. Deluded fanbois, who think a cut down MMO is something difficult, while insulting others. Nope, its just shallow, with not much to do. Having to grind does not make something difficult. It just means one is easily entertained.
I've also never seen a group of people so obsessed with WoW, at least outside of those who actually play it (which I don't).
"not much to do" sorry, what cant you do in FFXIV levels 1-20 that can be done in other MMOs?
Where is this "lack of content" I hear haters ranting on about?
You do realise content isn't just running up to any mob and bashing it? You could do that in any MMO.
Actually FF XIV is extreme easy mode, so you might as well drop the elitism. Its bascially see a mob and kill it. That is zero depth. It even shows you were things are going to spawn, which are also just for you and you alone. There is absolutly nothing hard or difficult about FF XIV.
"see a mob and kill it"
Considering that 98% of the mobs in the game will annihilate you with that simple tactic, you're going to need a hell of a lot of strategy to get anywhere in this game. The enemies in last generation MMOs often follow a simple pattern of "get to this level, get this tier equipment, and use EXACTLY THESE ABILITIES in EXACTLY THIS ORDER" in order to guarantee victory in combat. The massive popularity of old-school walkthrough sites like Tankspot are evidence of this fact. On the other hand, the entire battle dynamics of FFXIV can change based on a single spell miss, a single piece of broken equipment, or accidentally aggroing an unexpected mob. Players may suddenly find themselves on the verge of death with no means to have prevented it, and they need to have the skills and abilities to react in time. Crafting can be equally challenging, as players must be willing to risk potentially losing an enormous amount of gil creating higher quality materials, and they must be willing to change their synthesis strategy based on a surprise elemental instability or repeated failure rates.
Simply put, FFXIV is challenging as hell and your arguments show you probably haven't played the game too seriously.
Actually most mobs in the game will annihalate simply because they are higher level. Sounds like you need to get a wider understanding of MMOs, especially one's that aren't simply tank and spank.
Except that most people will be fighting higher level mobs through groups meaning that they actually do have to take into account individual mob strategies.
Only those fighting low blues can ignore mob specials etc., especially once you get much past rank 20.
I also stand by my previous statement, it does service to the community I want to be a part of. I don't care about elitism/exclusivity but I do care about not changing a game/community to cater to those types while at the same time making it less appealing to myself and others. They have plenty of games to flock to specifically designed with them in mind, all we have are 8 year old+ ones with declining populations, outdated graphics, and severe limitations on their designs.
No they don't. Someone has to tank, while the rest dps it down. Its not complex, its tank and spanking.
You can kill higher level mobs in any MMO, if grouped. There are also pleny of modern grinders around, so not sure where you are getting only old MMOs being out there. FF XIV is not an old style sandbox MMO, its a stripped down themepark one (i.e. a central themed story arc, with grinding to fill the gaps).
Well you are wrong but go ahead and keep thinking you know anything about the game.
Since XP in all levels (through guildleves and even many times when just group grinding) is on groups of mobs and not just one, you don't have one person tanking the rest dps'ing it down.
Mob abilities in FFXIV can be avoided by moving to the side or behind, tails on certain mobs can be destroyed to prevent special attacks, as can other limbs to reduce attack/movement/etc. Battle regiments can be used to apply necessary buffs, or necessary boosts in damage to make efficient xp on harder mobs even possible.
You have never even played the game, or played it and failed to understand it's most basic elements. I'd explain to them to you but it would be a waste of my time since based on this post I wouldn't want you changing your mind about the game anyways.
Actually FF XIV is extreme easy mode, so you might as well drop the elitism. Its bascially see a mob and kill it. That is zero depth. It even shows you were things are going to spawn, which are also just for you and you alone. There is absolutly nothing hard or difficult about FF XIV.
"see a mob and kill it"
Considering that 98% of the mobs in the game will annihilate you with that simple tactic, you're going to need a hell of a lot of strategy to get anywhere in this game. The enemies in last generation MMOs often follow a simple pattern of "get to this level, get this tier equipment, and use EXACTLY THESE ABILITIES in EXACTLY THIS ORDER" in order to guarantee victory in combat. The massive popularity of old-school walkthrough sites like Tankspot are evidence of this fact. On the other hand, the entire battle dynamics of FFXIV can change based on a single spell miss, a single piece of broken equipment, or accidentally aggroing an unexpected mob. Players may suddenly find themselves on the verge of death with no means to have prevented it, and they need to have the skills and abilities to react in time. Crafting can be equally challenging, as players must be willing to risk potentially losing an enormous amount of gil creating higher quality materials, and they must be willing to change their synthesis strategy based on a surprise elemental instability or repeated failure rates.
Simply put, FFXIV is challenging as hell and your arguments show you probably haven't played the game too seriously.
Actually most mobs in the game will annihalate simply because they are higher level. Sounds like you need to get a wider understanding of MMOs, especially one's that aren't simply tank and spank.
Except that most people will be fighting higher level mobs through groups meaning that they actually do have to take into account individual mob strategies.
Only those fighting low blues can ignore mob specials etc., especially once you get much past rank 20.
I also stand by my previous statement, it does service to the community I want to be a part of. I don't care about elitism/exclusivity but I do care about not changing a game/community to cater to those types while at the same time making it less appealing to myself and others. They have plenty of games to flock to specifically designed with them in mind, all we have are 8 year old+ ones with declining populations, outdated graphics, and severe limitations on their designs.
No they don't. Someone has to tank, while the rest dps it down. Its not complex, its tank and spanking.
You can kill higher level mobs in any MMO, if grouped. There are also pleny of modern grinders around, so not sure where you are getting only old MMOs being out there. FF XIV is not an old style sandbox MMO, its a stripped down themepark one (i.e. a central themed story arc, with grinding to fill the gaps).
Well you are wrong but go ahead and keep thinking you know anything about the game.
Since XP in higher levels (through guildleves and even many times when just group grinding) is on groups of mobs and not just one, you don't have one person tanking the rest dps'ing it down.
Mob abilities in FFXIV can be avoided by moving to the side or behind, tails on certain mobs can be destroyed to prevent special attacks, as can other limbs to reduce attack/movement/etc.
You have never even played the game, or played it and failed to understand it's most basic elements. I'd explain to them to you but it would be a waste of my time since based on this post I wouldn't want you changing your mind about the game anyways.
Believe what you want, but I'm certainly not wrong. I know plenty about the game, I've been playing it since closed beta 2. I'm just not narrow sighted to its shortfalls.
You have to group for no other reason than to speed up the process of getting XP. Having to kill higher level mobs to achieve that does not make the game a difficult one. Neither does it become a challenge. One has simply decided to grind as part of a group, instead of taking a slower pace by doing it solo.
Cause the MMO gaming community are a bunch of sheep and will follow anything as long as other people are in agreement.
In this particular case, the OP, who says he hasn't played MMO's very much, makes general statements about how WoW is easy mode... ok? First of all, spell realize correctly. Thank you. Then imagine how easy it was at release when nobody knew the quests or locations. Then, take PvP for example. Arena may depend a crazy amount on gear, which is stupid, but it is not 'easy' to get 2000+ rating.
People seem to think WoW is some piece of s**t horrible game, yet they compare it to everything. All-the-while, it still has 13 million + subs.
Because it's so much easier to hop on the bandwagon instead of walking. People would rather take what they read on the Internet as fact rather than create their own opinion and this is one of the reasons MMORPGs as a genre continues to deteriorate.
Hating on WoW players is like hating on the goth/emo kids in High School. You don't try to understand them. It's just easier to hate them because everyone else does.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
This statement is pretty backwards imo, WOW is the "Popular mass" that looks at every other MMO fans game and compares and contrasts it instantly, not understanding why its different and moan about every detail that doesnt suit the reward with no challenge clique that WoW exists for.
"Boring dull combat imo" "Worlds too large" "I die to enemies while leveling!" "Crafts are difficult!" ect ect, in majority cases are whats being spammed in this forum right now. hell many other MMO forums...
Ummmm,l some of us like the combat? those of us with common sense can see how slowing the combat down abit allows for mor Strategy, timeing, coordinations and joint attacks in a simlar fashion FF11 had over spam/quick games like WoW where you shoot fireballs out of your arse non stop with no threat or mana penalties constantly until the boss drops dead.
OPther comments like "the graphics are not worth the requirments" oh get real..... I have never played an mmo that looks so good, the requirments are steep for a reason...
Not having a go at you, but why is it the little guys are always in the wrong for targeting "WoW fanboys" when the reality is every game IS being compared to it.... every game is expected to have the level of accessebility of WOW ..... its not a made up fanboy defence for the more niche mmos... ITS A DAMN REALITY!
Actually FF XIV is extreme easy mode, so you might as well drop the elitism. Its bascially see a mob and kill it. That is zero depth. It even shows you were things are going to spawn, which are also just for you and you alone. There is absolutly nothing hard or difficult about FF XIV.
"see a mob and kill it"
Considering that 98% of the mobs in the game will annihilate you with that simple tactic, you're going to need a hell of a lot of strategy to get anywhere in this game. The enemies in last generation MMOs often follow a simple pattern of "get to this level, get this tier equipment, and use EXACTLY THESE ABILITIES in EXACTLY THIS ORDER" in order to guarantee victory in combat. The massive popularity of old-school walkthrough sites like Tankspot are evidence of this fact. On the other hand, the entire battle dynamics of FFXIV can change based on a single spell miss, a single piece of broken equipment, or accidentally aggroing an unexpected mob. Players may suddenly find themselves on the verge of death with no means to have prevented it, and they need to have the skills and abilities to react in time. Crafting can be equally challenging, as players must be willing to risk potentially losing an enormous amount of gil creating higher quality materials, and they must be willing to change their synthesis strategy based on a surprise elemental instability or repeated failure rates.
Simply put, FFXIV is challenging as hell and your arguments show you probably haven't played the game too seriously.
Actually most mobs in the game will annihalate simply because they are higher level. Sounds like you need to get a wider understanding of MMOs, especially one's that aren't simply tank and spank.
Except that most people will be fighting higher level mobs through groups meaning that they actually do have to take into account individual mob strategies.
Only those fighting low blues can ignore mob specials etc., especially once you get much past rank 20.
I also stand by my previous statement, it does service to the community I want to be a part of. I don't care about elitism/exclusivity but I do care about not changing a game/community to cater to those types while at the same time making it less appealing to myself and others. They have plenty of games to flock to specifically designed with them in mind, all we have are 8 year old+ ones with declining populations, outdated graphics, and severe limitations on their designs.
No they don't. Someone has to tank, while the rest dps it down. Its not complex, its tank and spanking.
You can kill higher level mobs in any MMO, if grouped. There are also pleny of modern grinders around, so not sure where you are getting only old MMOs being out there. FF XIV is not an old style sandbox MMO, its a stripped down themepark one (i.e. a central themed story arc, with grinding to fill the gaps).
Well you are wrong but go ahead and keep thinking you know anything about the game.
Since XP in higher levels (through guildleves and even many times when just group grinding) is on groups of mobs and not just one, you don't have one person tanking the rest dps'ing it down.
Mob abilities in FFXIV can be avoided by moving to the side or behind, tails on certain mobs can be destroyed to prevent special attacks, as can other limbs to reduce attack/movement/etc.
You have never even played the game, or played it and failed to understand it's most basic elements. I'd explain to them to you but it would be a waste of my time since based on this post I wouldn't want you changing your mind about the game anyways.
Believe what you want, but I'm certainly not wrong. I know plenty about the game, I've been playing it since closed beta 2. I'm just not narrow sighted to its shortfalls.
Okay I believe you know nothing, and your posting seems to defend my belief. Way to beta name drop though, so you have managed to play the game wrong for several months. Very impressive indeed.
Most of the people bashing it are probally mmorpg players who were spoon fed by WoW and its cloned ilk and don't have any real clue what-so-ever of what a REAL mmorpg was about.
People like you piss me off. Stop using your computer, modern medicine, guns, go back to hunting and gathering with sticks and stones, because you can't comprehend the idea of progress.
I hope the FFXIV community is not full of asinine hats like you.
Sadly, its looking like its heading that way. Deluded fanbois, who think a cut down MMO is something difficult, while insulting others. Nope, its just shallow, with not much to do. Having to grind does not make something difficult. It just means one is easily entertained.
I've also never seen a group of people so obsessed with WoW, at least outside of those who actually play it (which I don't).
"not much to do" sorry, what cant you do in FFXIV levels 1-20 that can be done in other MMOs?
Where is this "lack of content" I hear haters ranting on about?
You do realise content isn't just running up to any mob and bashing it? You could do that in any MMO.
So what was I doing in world of warcraft levels 1-20 ... oh thats right, running up to monsters and bashing them..... hmmm... FF11... same.... LOTRO same.... AoC same...... hell EVE online is the only one that gave me a real choice.
Actually FF XIV is extreme easy mode, so you might as well drop the elitism. Its bascially see a mob and kill it. That is zero depth. It even shows you were things are going to spawn, which are also just for you and you alone. There is absolutly nothing hard or difficult about FF XIV.
"see a mob and kill it"
Considering that 98% of the mobs in the game will annihilate you with that simple tactic, you're going to need a hell of a lot of strategy to get anywhere in this game. The enemies in last generation MMOs often follow a simple pattern of "get to this level, get this tier equipment, and use EXACTLY THESE ABILITIES in EXACTLY THIS ORDER" in order to guarantee victory in combat. The massive popularity of old-school walkthrough sites like Tankspot are evidence of this fact. On the other hand, the entire battle dynamics of FFXIV can change based on a single spell miss, a single piece of broken equipment, or accidentally aggroing an unexpected mob. Players may suddenly find themselves on the verge of death with no means to have prevented it, and they need to have the skills and abilities to react in time. Crafting can be equally challenging, as players must be willing to risk potentially losing an enormous amount of gil creating higher quality materials, and they must be willing to change their synthesis strategy based on a surprise elemental instability or repeated failure rates.
Simply put, FFXIV is challenging as hell and your arguments show you probably haven't played the game too seriously.
Actually most mobs in the game will annihalate simply because they are higher level. Sounds like you need to get a wider understanding of MMOs, especially one's that aren't simply tank and spank.
Except that most people will be fighting higher level mobs through groups meaning that they actually do have to take into account individual mob strategies.
Only those fighting low blues can ignore mob specials etc., especially once you get much past rank 20.
I also stand by my previous statement, it does service to the community I want to be a part of. I don't care about elitism/exclusivity but I do care about not changing a game/community to cater to those types while at the same time making it less appealing to myself and others. They have plenty of games to flock to specifically designed with them in mind, all we have are 8 year old+ ones with declining populations, outdated graphics, and severe limitations on their designs.
No they don't. Someone has to tank, while the rest dps it down. Its not complex, its tank and spanking.
You can kill higher level mobs in any MMO, if grouped. There are also pleny of modern grinders around, so not sure where you are getting only old MMOs being out there. FF XIV is not an old style sandbox MMO, its a stripped down themepark one (i.e. a central themed story arc, with grinding to fill the gaps).
Well you are wrong but go ahead and keep thinking you know anything about the game.
Since XP in higher levels (through guildleves and even many times when just group grinding) is on groups of mobs and not just one, you don't have one person tanking the rest dps'ing it down.
Mob abilities in FFXIV can be avoided by moving to the side or behind, tails on certain mobs can be destroyed to prevent special attacks, as can other limbs to reduce attack/movement/etc.
You have never even played the game, or played it and failed to understand it's most basic elements. I'd explain to them to you but it would be a waste of my time since based on this post I wouldn't want you changing your mind about the game anyways.
Believe what you want, but I'm certainly not wrong. I know plenty about the game, I've been playing it since closed beta 2. I'm just not narrow sighted to its shortfalls.
Okay I believe you know nothing, and your posting seems to defend my belief. Way to beta name drop though, so you have managed to play the game wrong for several months. Very impressive indeed.
No, I've just obviously played a wider range of MMOs, so understand fully what a grinder is.
Originally posted by geldonyetich Oh, my goodness, you know this is the first time I've ever received a forum criticism that caused me to laugh out loud in real life for the sheer cluelessness of it. "Your post is an insult for the future of MMOs." Oh, God, I might have to print this one out and post it on my wall. Listen, take a look at my profile and tell me again how uninformed I am about MMORPGs. I'll tell you how much I do: I know that when I say the majorrity of MMORPG players experience is related ot World of Warcraft and its clones, it's because you can verify this with hard data. You might also have to explain to me what "you earn money with supporting weak MMOgames" means. That didn't translate well.
Your profile? Borderlands is a wonderful game. LoTRO went F2P recently, it is closer to WoW than (insert game here). You laughed? Good.
Cause the MMO gaming community are a bunch of sheep and will follow anything as long as other people are in agreement.
In this particular case, the OP, who says he hasn't played MMO's very much, makes general statements about how WoW is easy mode... ok? First of all, spell realize correctly. Thank you. Then imagine how easy it was at release when nobody knew the quests or locations. Then, take PvP for example. Arena may depend a crazy amount on gear, which is stupid, but it is not 'easy' to get 2000+ rating.
People seem to think WoW is some piece of s**t horrible game, yet they compare it to everything. All-the-while, it still has 13 million + subs.
Because it's so much easier to hop on the bandwagon instead of walking. People would rather take what they read on the Internet as fact rather than create their own opinion and this is one of the reasons MMORPGs as a genre continues to deteriorate.
Hating on WoW players is like hating on the goth/emo kids in High School. You don't try to understand them. It's just easier to hate them because everyone else does.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
This statement is pretty backwards imo, WOW is the "Popular mass" that looks at every other MMO fans game and compares and contrasts it instantly, not understanding why its different and moan about every detail that doesnt suit the reward with no challenge clique that WoW exists for.
"Boring dull combat imo" "Worlds too large" "I die to enemies while leveling!" "Crafts are difficult!" ect ect, in majority cases are whats being spammed in this forum right now. hell many other MMO forums...
Ummmm,l some of us like the combat? those of us with common sense can see how slowing the combat down abit allows for mor Strategy, timeing, coordinations and joint attacks in a simlar fashion FF11 had over spam/quick games like WoW where you shoot fireballs out of your arse non stop with no threat or mana penalties constantly until the boss drops dead.
OPther comments like "the graphics are not worth the requirments" oh get real..... I have never played an mmo that looks so good, the requirments are steep for a reason...
Not having a go at you, but why is it the little guys are always in the wrong for targeting "WoW fanboys" when the reality is every game IS being compared to it.... every game is expected to have the level of accessebility of WOW ..... its not a made up fanboy defence for the more niche mmos... ITS A DAMN REALITY!
For the same reason every RTS game ever made is compared to Warcraft (and Later Starcraft). Because they're so good, they can't be ignored. It was every RTS maker's dream to trump Starcraft, but it never happened. While many games have come out that are arguably better, it still boils down to "It's just not Starcraft".
Trying to rationlize why is just going to make you gray headed.
~Miles" Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
Your profile? Borderlands is a wonderful game. LoTRO went F2P recently, it is closer to WoW than (insert game here). You laughed? Good.
Okay, you told me I don't have any experience in MMORPGs so I diirected you to my profile. You look at my profile. You see I've been playing games for 26+ years, you see I've nearly 70 MMORPGs from this website listed as games I've played in the past. You pick out two of those games and say this?
Maybe we're having a translation problem. My original message you replied to was not supporting making more World of Warcraft games. My original message was merely saying many of the complaints we have heard were from people who only played World of Warcraft or similar games.
Now, if you had thought I was saying "Final Fantasy XIV needs to be like World of Warcraft or it will fail," then I would agree that what I was saying bad for the future of MMORPGs. However, I was saying the opposite.
Cause the MMO gaming community are a bunch of sheep and will follow anything as long as other people are in agreement.
In this particular case, the OP, who says he hasn't played MMO's very much, makes general statements about how WoW is easy mode... ok? First of all, spell realize correctly. Thank you. Then imagine how easy it was at release when nobody knew the quests or locations. Then, take PvP for example. Arena may depend a crazy amount on gear, which is stupid, but it is not 'easy' to get 2000+ rating.
People seem to think WoW is some piece of s**t horrible game, yet they compare it to everything. All-the-while, it still has 13 million + subs.
Because it's so much easier to hop on the bandwagon instead of walking. People would rather take what they read on the Internet as fact rather than create their own opinion and this is one of the reasons MMORPGs as a genre continues to deteriorate.
Hating on WoW players is like hating on the goth/emo kids in High School. You don't try to understand them. It's just easier to hate them because everyone else does.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
This statement is pretty backwards imo, WOW is the "Popular mass" that looks at every other MMO fans game and compares and contrasts it instantly, not understanding why its different and moan about every detail that doesnt suit the reward with no challenge clique that WoW exists for.
"Boring dull combat imo" "Worlds too large" "I die to enemies while leveling!" "Crafts are difficult!" ect ect, in majority cases are whats being spammed in this forum right now. hell many other MMO forums...
Ummmm,l some of us like the combat? those of us with common sense can see how slowing the combat down abit allows for mor Strategy, timeing, coordinations and joint attacks in a simlar fashion FF11 had over spam/quick games like WoW where you shoot fireballs out of your arse non stop with no threat or mana penalties constantly until the boss drops dead.
OPther comments like "the graphics are not worth the requirments" oh get real..... I have never played an mmo that looks so good, the requirments are steep for a reason...
Not having a go at you, but why is it the little guys are always in the wrong for targeting "WoW fanboys" when the reality is every game IS being compared to it.... every game is expected to have the level of accessebility of WOW ..... its not a made up fanboy defence for the more niche mmos... ITS A DAMN REALITY!
For the same reason every RTS game ever made is compared to Warcraft (and Later Starcraft). Because they're so good, they can't be ignored. It was every RTS maker's dream to trump Starcraft, but it never happened. While many games have come out that are arguably better, it still boils down to "It's just not Starcraft".
Trying to rationlize why is just going to make you gray headed.
~Miles" Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Naturally, but im inclined to believe that "most popular" isnt always the best quality, and back in 2004-2006 I would of said without doubt that WoW was in a league of its own, but due to Blizzards "Refine over REvolutionize" approach to thier games with each new expansion the game has blocked itself to the point where it is now doing nothing of interest other than more dungeon whoring and appealing to the award/gamble section of the brain in order to keep subscriptions high.
Whereas games like EVE, which put pressure on grind and time spent, and the feeling of "grandure" you get over long term, instead of short term rewards are beggining to flourish more than ever, one of the only positivly growing mmos of 2009 was it not?
Hell, I dont mind a good McDonalds now and then, but it has nothing ona good Carvary.... the analogy has been used to death, and is only half accurate, since WoW is quality at what it does. but what it does is very limited despite its popularity. Its a step above guild wars, but still heavily isntanced focused and has pigeon hold itself purely into raiding and tacked on PVP. other than that, theres little to no meat, unless you fall for the achivements trap that is.
Most of the people bashing it are probally mmorpg players who were spoon fed by WoW and its cloned ilk and don't have any real clue what-so-ever of what a REAL mmorpg was about.
People like you piss me off. Stop using your computer, modern medicine, guns, go back to hunting and gathering with sticks and stones, because you can't comprehend the idea of progress.
I hope the FFXIV community is not full of asinine hats like you.
Sadly, its looking like its heading that way. Deluded fanbois, who think a cut down MMO is something difficult, while insulting others. Nope, its just shallow, with not much to do. Having to grind does not make something difficult. It just means one is easily entertained.
I've also never seen a group of people so obsessed with WoW, at least outside of those who actually play it (which I don't).
"not much to do" sorry, what cant you do in FFXIV levels 1-20 that can be done in other MMOs?
Where is this "lack of content" I hear haters ranting on about?
You do realise content isn't just running up to any mob and bashing it? You could do that in any MMO.
So what was I doing in world of warcraft levels 1-20 ... oh thats right, running up to monsters and bashing them..... hmmm... FF11... same.... LOTRO same.... AoC same...... hell EVE online is the only one that gave me a real choice.
Way to prove you have no clue what content is. Simply answering "no" would have been quicker.
Well thats just great, too bad i originally asked you to explain what your define content as, and you anwsered my question with a facisious question proving nothing.
How about elaborating, or are you talking out of your arse like im expecting?
No, I've just obviously played a wider range of MMOs, so understand fully what a grinder is.
You have never played FFXIV, that is clear by everything you post. You are doing nothing but trolling.
Wrong! I've probably played it longer than you have. I also want it to succeed, hence why I've still logged in to test. You will however be right in thinking that I currently think its a major let down, with a long way to go. I do however think it will get there, just not by or close after launch.
Sorry you don't like people who can see its short falls, and are willing to state so.
Cause the MMO gaming community are a bunch of sheep and will follow anything as long as other people are in agreement.
In this particular case, the OP, who says he hasn't played MMO's very much, makes general statements about how WoW is easy mode... ok? First of all, spell realize correctly. Thank you. Then imagine how easy it was at release when nobody knew the quests or locations. Then, take PvP for example. Arena may depend a crazy amount on gear, which is stupid, but it is not 'easy' to get 2000+ rating.
People seem to think WoW is some piece of s**t horrible game, yet they compare it to everything. All-the-while, it still has 13 million + subs.
Because it's so much easier to hop on the bandwagon instead of walking. People would rather take what they read on the Internet as fact rather than create their own opinion and this is one of the reasons MMORPGs as a genre continues to deteriorate.
Hating on WoW players is like hating on the goth/emo kids in High School. You don't try to understand them. It's just easier to hate them because everyone else does.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
This statement is pretty backwards imo, WOW is the "Popular mass" that looks at every other MMO fans game and compares and contrasts it instantly, not understanding why its different and moan about every detail that doesnt suit the reward with no challenge clique that WoW exists for.
"Boring dull combat imo" "Worlds too large" "I die to enemies while leveling!" "Crafts are difficult!" ect ect, in majority cases are whats being spammed in this forum right now. hell many other MMO forums...
Ummmm,l some of us like the combat? those of us with common sense can see how slowing the combat down abit allows for mor Strategy, timeing, coordinations and joint attacks in a simlar fashion FF11 had over spam/quick games like WoW where you shoot fireballs out of your arse non stop with no threat or mana penalties constantly until the boss drops dead.
OPther comments like "the graphics are not worth the requirments" oh get real..... I have never played an mmo that looks so good, the requirments are steep for a reason...
Not having a go at you, but why is it the little guys are always in the wrong for targeting "WoW fanboys" when the reality is every game IS being compared to it.... every game is expected to have the level of accessebility of WOW ..... its not a made up fanboy defence for the more niche mmos... ITS A DAMN REALITY!
For the same reason every RTS game ever made is compared to Warcraft (and Later Starcraft). Because they're so good, they can't be ignored. It was every RTS maker's dream to trump Starcraft, but it never happened. While many games have come out that are arguably better, it still boils down to "It's just not Starcraft".
Trying to rationlize why is just going to make you gray headed.
~Miles" Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Naturally, but im inclined to believe that "most popular" isnt always the best quality, and back in 2004-2006 I would of said without doubt that WoW was in a league of its own, but due to Blizzards "Refine over REvolutionize" approach to thier games with each new expansion the game has blocked itself to the point where it is now doing nothing of interest other than more dungeon whoring and appealing to the award/gamble section of the brain in order to keep subscriptions high.
Whereas games like EVE, which put pressure on grind and time spent, and the feeling of "grandure" you get over long term, instead of short term rewards are beggining to flourish more than ever, one of the only positivly growing mmos of 2009 was it not?
Hell, I dont mind a good McDonalds now and then, but it has nothing ona good Carvary.... the analogy has been used to death, and is only half accurate, since WoW is quality at what it does. but what it does is very limited despite its popularity. Its a step above guild wars, but still heavily isntanced focused and has pigeon hold itself purely into raiding and tacked on PVP. other than that, theres little to no meat, unless you fall for the achivements trap that is.
I'm not inclined to agree or disagree at this point. I'd just like to remind you that this is starting to go off topic.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
Oh, this is a sad thread to be a FFXIV fan. It seems we've told eachother how wrong we are for hating the game when that wasn't what was written at least 3 or 4 times. Damn hater trolls have made us jumpy. Does a single person on this thread really hate the game that badly?
Oh, this is a sad thread to a FFXIV fan. It seems we've told eachother how wrong we are for hating the game when that wasn't what what was written at least 3 or 4 times. Damn hater trolls have made us jumpy.
Being passionate about something you care about can make you just as bad at trolling than someone who is passionate about hating it.
Not saying you're trolling, just saying that not everyone who is posting criticism is a troll.
There really is a time when people need to step back, take a deep breath, exhale and say "You know what. Why am I getting so worked up over this game? I really enjoy it, and they don't. Why do I care whether or not they hate the game?"
Forcing confrontation only does 2 things.
Makes you frustrated and thus more likely to lose your cool.
Gives the other side the satisifaction of proving you wrong by calling you out. Making the mistake of accepting the bait allows them to open with new attacks: "See? This is the kind of community you can expect from X game!" "In Y Game, you don't have to deal with this community"
There comes a point when you just become too zealous.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
Most of the people bashing it are probally mmorpg players who were spoon fed by WoW and its cloned ilk and don't have any real clue what-so-ever of what a REAL mmorpg was about.
People like you piss me off. Stop using your computer, modern medicine, guns, go back to hunting and gathering with sticks and stones, because you can't comprehend the idea of progress.
I hope the FFXIV community is not full of asinine hats like you.
Sadly, its looking like its heading that way. Deluded fanbois, who think a cut down MMO is something difficult, while insulting others. Nope, its just shallow, with not much to do. Having to grind does not make something difficult. It just means one is easily entertained.
I've also never seen a group of people so obsessed with WoW, at least outside of those who actually play it (which I don't).
"not much to do" sorry, what cant you do in FFXIV levels 1-20 that can be done in other MMOs?
Where is this "lack of content" I hear haters ranting on about?
You do realise content isn't just running up to any mob and bashing it? You could do that in any MMO.
So what was I doing in world of warcraft levels 1-20 ... oh thats right, running up to monsters and bashing them..... hmmm... FF11... same.... LOTRO same.... AoC same...... hell EVE online is the only one that gave me a real choice.
Way to prove you have no clue what content is. Simply answering "no" would have been quicker.
Well thats just great, too bad i originally asked you to explain what your define content as, and you anwsered my question with a facisious question proving nothing.
How about elaborating, or are you talking out of your arse like im expecting?
For a themepark MMO fundamentally content is a task, which has been given an objective and usually a backstory. Also frequently chaining into an arc. That can involve mob killing, but there are various other types.
For a sandbox MMO content features are mechanics that permit the player base to develop their own content and environments. FF XIV has only crafting that falls into this category.
Grinding is simply killing a mob for XP, with no other perceived (or not) reason.
FF XIV story line quests fall into the themepark category. The leves though are little more than a convenient way to spawn a locked group of mobs to grind. Likewise the other option of simply picking a mob at random, is nothing but grinding. That is why outside of the story line the game is light on content, as everything else as little substance.
Oh, this is a sad thread to a FFXIV fan. It seems we've told eachother how wrong we are for hating the game when that wasn't what what was written at least 3 or 4 times. Damn hater trolls have made us jumpy.
Being passionate about something you care about can make you just as bad at trolling than someone who is passionate about hating it.
Not saying you're trolling, just saying that not everyone who is posting criticism is a troll.
There really is a time when people need to step back, take a deep breath, exhale and say "You know what. Why am I getting so worked up over this game? I really enjoy it, and they don't. Why do I care whether or not they hate the game?"
Forcing confrontation only does 2 things.
Makes you frustrated and thus more likely to lose your cool.
Gives the other side the satisifaction of proving you wrong by calling you out. Making the mistake of accepting the bait allows them to open with new attacks: "See? This is the kind of community you can expect from X game!" "In Y Game, you don't have to deal with this community"
There comes a point when you just become too zealous.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Hold up there, Tails, maybe you spent a bit too much time with your nose buried in the machinery you're tuning up, but just because a fellow wrote "damn hater trolls have made us jumpy" doesnt' mean you should give them a lecture on how not everybody who is critical is a hater troll. On the contrary, the comment could have pointed out to all the people who actually were hater trolls, dropping little bombs on us just to get our goat, of which was was no lack of them, having made us jumpy. You need to clear the corn out of those fox ears - if Dr. Eggman were playing a mind game on you, he'd totally trick you right now, and then Sonic would have to spend the whole game rescuing you, and there's another game in which you're not a playable character.
Comments
No they don't. Someone has to tank, while the rest dps it down. Its not complex, its tank and spanking.
You can kill higher level mobs in any MMO, if grouped. There are also pleny of modern grinders around, so not sure where you are getting only old MMOs being out there. FF XIV is not an old style sandbox MMO, its a stripped down themepark one (i.e. a central themed story arc, with grinding to fill the gaps).
Something, something.. WoW sucks... Something, Something.. Left with my wife.. Something, Something, ruined MMORPGs.
That's what I got out of this entire thread...
Also, I'd like to just say that the title post and the OP's demanor is a vagrant display of how badly the community in today's MMORPGs have degraded >.<
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
It's so easy to take shots at WoW :P
Cause the MMO gaming community are a bunch of sheep and will follow anything as long as other people are in agreement.
In this particular case, the OP, who says he hasn't played MMO's very much, makes general statements about how WoW is easy mode... ok? First of all, spell realize correctly. Thank you. Then imagine how easy it was at release when nobody knew the quests or locations. Then, take PvP for example. Arena may depend a crazy amount on gear, which is stupid, but it is not 'easy' to get 2000+ rating.
People seem to think WoW is some piece of s**t horrible game, yet they compare it to everything. All-the-while, it still has 13 million + subs.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Oh, my goodness, you know this may be the first time I've ever received a forum criticism that caused me to laugh out loud in real life for the sheer overzealousness of the underlying cluelessness of it.
"Your post is an insult for the future of MMOs."
Why? Because it's that important to you they all have to play like World of Warcraft or something? Because you can see the future of entertainment in MMORPGs? Funny how even people who do that for a living would not make these claims. Oh,
God, I might have to print this one out and post it on my wall.
Take a look at my profile and tell me again how little I am about MMORPGs. Apparently, I know more than you do, because you didn't realize that hwen I said the greater majorrity of MMORPG players experience is related ot World of Warcraft is because I can verify this with hard data.
You might also have to explain to me what "you earn money with supporting weak MMOgames" means. That didn't translate well. What you probably mean to say is something along the lines of, "because idiots like you spend money on these games, these bad MMOgames are able to be supported." Which is a tad ignorant - if the thing didn't entertain me, do you honestly think I would have bought it? Because it did entertain me, it earned the money quite well, thank you.
Because it's so much easier to hop on the bandwagon instead of walking. People would rather take what they read on the Internet as fact rather than create their own opinion and this is one of the reasons MMORPGs as a genre continues to deteriorate.
Hating on WoW players is like hating on the goth/emo kids in High School. You don't try to understand them. It's just easier to hate them because everyone else does.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
"not much to do" sorry, what cant you do in FFXIV levels 1-20 that can be done in other MMOs?
Where is this "lack of content" I hear haters ranting on about?
He pretty much sums it up, I thought the thread was about mmorpgs and the current generation...
Instead its just another thread of 3-4 specific mmo's and the ones who play those games having another bitchfest over who/what stands out on top...
I feel much more stupid for being dumb enough to think maybe there was an actual point being made rather than forum bitches.
A game is just that... a game, not an emotional crutch.
You do realise content isn't just running up to any mob and bashing it? You could do that in any MMO.
Well you are wrong but go ahead and keep thinking you know anything about the game.
Since XP in all levels (through guildleves and even many times when just group grinding) is on groups of mobs and not just one, you don't have one person tanking the rest dps'ing it down.
Mob abilities in FFXIV can be avoided by moving to the side or behind, tails on certain mobs can be destroyed to prevent special attacks, as can other limbs to reduce attack/movement/etc. Battle regiments can be used to apply necessary buffs, or necessary boosts in damage to make efficient xp on harder mobs even possible.
You have never even played the game, or played it and failed to understand it's most basic elements. I'd explain to them to you but it would be a waste of my time since based on this post I wouldn't want you changing your mind about the game anyways.
http://xivpads.com/?1595680
http://guildwork.com/users/murugan
Believe what you want, but I'm certainly not wrong. I know plenty about the game, I've been playing it since closed beta 2. I'm just not narrow sighted to its shortfalls.
You have to group for no other reason than to speed up the process of getting XP. Having to kill higher level mobs to achieve that does not make the game a difficult one. Neither does it become a challenge. One has simply decided to grind as part of a group, instead of taking a slower pace by doing it solo.
This statement is pretty backwards imo, WOW is the "Popular mass" that looks at every other MMO fans game and compares and contrasts it instantly, not understanding why its different and moan about every detail that doesnt suit the reward with no challenge clique that WoW exists for.
"Boring dull combat imo" "Worlds too large" "I die to enemies while leveling!" "Crafts are difficult!" ect ect, in majority cases are whats being spammed in this forum right now. hell many other MMO forums...
Ummmm,l some of us like the combat? those of us with common sense can see how slowing the combat down abit allows for mor Strategy, timeing, coordinations and joint attacks in a simlar fashion FF11 had over spam/quick games like WoW where you shoot fireballs out of your arse non stop with no threat or mana penalties constantly until the boss drops dead.
OPther comments like "the graphics are not worth the requirments" oh get real..... I have never played an mmo that looks so good, the requirments are steep for a reason...
Not having a go at you, but why is it the little guys are always in the wrong for targeting "WoW fanboys" when the reality is every game IS being compared to it.... every game is expected to have the level of accessebility of WOW ..... its not a made up fanboy defence for the more niche mmos... ITS A DAMN REALITY!
Okay I believe you know nothing, and your posting seems to defend my belief. Way to beta name drop though, so you have managed to play the game wrong for several months. Very impressive indeed.
http://xivpads.com/?1595680
http://guildwork.com/users/murugan
So what was I doing in world of warcraft levels 1-20 ... oh thats right, running up to monsters and bashing them..... hmmm... FF11... same.... LOTRO same.... AoC same...... hell EVE online is the only one that gave me a real choice.
No, I've just obviously played a wider range of MMOs, so understand fully what a grinder is.
For the same reason every RTS game ever made is compared to Warcraft (and Later Starcraft). Because they're so good, they can't be ignored. It was every RTS maker's dream to trump Starcraft, but it never happened. While many games have come out that are arguably better, it still boils down to "It's just not Starcraft".
Trying to rationlize why is just going to make you gray headed.
~Miles" Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
Okay, you told me I don't have any experience in MMORPGs so I diirected you to my profile. You look at my profile. You see I've been playing games for 26+ years, you see I've nearly 70 MMORPGs from this website listed as games I've played in the past. You pick out two of those games and say this?
Maybe we're having a translation problem. My original message you replied to was not supporting making more World of Warcraft games. My original message was merely saying many of the complaints we have heard were from people who only played World of Warcraft or similar games.
Now, if you had thought I was saying "Final Fantasy XIV needs to be like World of Warcraft or it will fail," then I would agree that what I was saying bad for the future of MMORPGs. However, I was saying the opposite.
Naturally, but im inclined to believe that "most popular" isnt always the best quality, and back in 2004-2006 I would of said without doubt that WoW was in a league of its own, but due to Blizzards "Refine over REvolutionize" approach to thier games with each new expansion the game has blocked itself to the point where it is now doing nothing of interest other than more dungeon whoring and appealing to the award/gamble section of the brain in order to keep subscriptions high.
Whereas games like EVE, which put pressure on grind and time spent, and the feeling of "grandure" you get over long term, instead of short term rewards are beggining to flourish more than ever, one of the only positivly growing mmos of 2009 was it not?
Hell, I dont mind a good McDonalds now and then, but it has nothing ona good Carvary.... the analogy has been used to death, and is only half accurate, since WoW is quality at what it does. but what it does is very limited despite its popularity. Its a step above guild wars, but still heavily isntanced focused and has pigeon hold itself purely into raiding and tacked on PVP. other than that, theres little to no meat, unless you fall for the achivements trap that is.
Well thats just great, too bad i originally asked you to explain what your define content as, and you anwsered my question with a facisious question proving nothing.
How about elaborating, or are you talking out of your arse like im expecting?
Wrong! I've probably played it longer than you have. I also want it to succeed, hence why I've still logged in to test. You will however be right in thinking that I currently think its a major let down, with a long way to go. I do however think it will get there, just not by or close after launch.
Sorry you don't like people who can see its short falls, and are willing to state so.
I'm not inclined to agree or disagree at this point. I'd just like to remind you that this is starting to go off topic.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
Oh, this is a sad thread to be a FFXIV fan. It seems we've told eachother how wrong we are for hating the game when that wasn't what was written at least 3 or 4 times. Damn hater trolls have made us jumpy. Does a single person on this thread really hate the game that badly?
Being passionate about something you care about can make you just as bad at trolling than someone who is passionate about hating it.
Not saying you're trolling, just saying that not everyone who is posting criticism is a troll.
There really is a time when people need to step back, take a deep breath, exhale and say "You know what. Why am I getting so worked up over this game? I really enjoy it, and they don't. Why do I care whether or not they hate the game?"
Forcing confrontation only does 2 things.
Makes you frustrated and thus more likely to lose your cool.
Gives the other side the satisifaction of proving you wrong by calling you out. Making the mistake of accepting the bait allows them to open with new attacks: "See? This is the kind of community you can expect from X game!" "In Y Game, you don't have to deal with this community"
There comes a point when you just become too zealous.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
For a themepark MMO fundamentally content is a task, which has been given an objective and usually a backstory. Also frequently chaining into an arc. That can involve mob killing, but there are various other types.
For a sandbox MMO content features are mechanics that permit the player base to develop their own content and environments. FF XIV has only crafting that falls into this category.
Grinding is simply killing a mob for XP, with no other perceived (or not) reason.
FF XIV story line quests fall into the themepark category. The leves though are little more than a convenient way to spawn a locked group of mobs to grind. Likewise the other option of simply picking a mob at random, is nothing but grinding. That is why outside of the story line the game is light on content, as everything else as little substance.
Hold up there, Tails, maybe you spent a bit too much time with your nose buried in the machinery you're tuning up, but just because a fellow wrote "damn hater trolls have made us jumpy" doesnt' mean you should give them a lecture on how not everybody who is critical is a hater troll. On the contrary, the comment could have pointed out to all the people who actually were hater trolls, dropping little bombs on us just to get our goat, of which was was no lack of them, having made us jumpy. You need to clear the corn out of those fox ears - if Dr. Eggman were playing a mind game on you, he'd totally trick you right now, and then Sonic would have to spend the whole game rescuing you, and there's another game in which you're not a playable character.