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zycore
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Well after play for a few days it plain to see my 8800GT needs to be replaced. I just ordered a EVGA GTX 465 1GB DDR5 along with a new Antec 650W power suply.
I hope that I will be able to run the game on high settings with this new set up.
Vista 64, E8400 Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz, 8GB XMS2, EVGA Akimbo 8800GT 1GB DDR3
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Do be warned that the GeForce GTX 465 is a horrible card. Even if you want to go with Nvidia, you'd be much better off with a 1 GB version of a GeForce GTX 460, which typically gives better performance than the GTX 465, but with with much lower power consumption. The reference GTX 465s can get dangerously hot under realistic gaming loads. Yes, Nvidia's naming schemes are horrible. See here for a comparison of some relevant cards:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/17
FurMark is an artificial stress test, and not always indicative of anything. But Crysis is a real game, and 91 C in real games is a problem.
Unless you found the GTX 465 far cheaper than they usually sell (e.g., $150), you might want to cancel the order if you still can in order to get something more sensible. There are a lot of good options on a GTX 460. Or if you don't mind mail-in rebates, you could try this, which is quite a bit faster than either the GTX 460 or 465:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127500
Let's wrap this up with a ridiculously OP card with a price up in the clouds:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150460&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-XFX-_-14150460
I was about to say the same thing, Quizzical. OP should get the GTX460 SC from EVGA instead of the GTX465. Not to mention, the GTX465 is already kinda dead because the GTX460 is both cheaper and faster...
@OP - I played the FFXIV beta with my EVGA GTX460 SC (768Mb) and it run flawless at nearly maxed settings in 1920x1080. The sight of the game was simply amazing. So much details there. When you thought LotRo was beautiful in DX10, think again when seeing FFXIV in highest settings ;-)
One note though... The nVidia DX11 cards are designed to for speed under DX11. In DX9/DX10 they do give a speed burst over the older cards (your 8800GT for example), but when you compare the nVidia DX11 cards under DX9/DX10 with the ATi, ATi is superior in speed. But with Turbine coming with DX11 support for LotRo and DDO soon, I think the nVidia DX11 cards are still the best choice ;-)
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Oh, the EVGA GTX460 SC is told to work with a 450Watt PSU iirc
Quad Core, 4 gigs ram, GTX 465 superclocked. Game ran just fine on high.
Thanks for the advice but I couldnt find any 460GTX cards that were 1GB on newegg . I do not think it will bother me to much of the card runs a little hot. My case is well ventalated and my house is air conditioned. From the reviews I read its a smooking fast card.
Vista 64, E8400 Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz, 8GB XMS2, EVGA Akimbo 8800GT 1GB DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709+600007323+600062521+600007779&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=
I see quite a few 1 GB GeForce GTX 460s there.
It won't bother you if a card runs hot? Will it bother you if the card doesn't run at all? The problem with the former is that it tends to lead to the latter.
Reading GTX 465 reviews is a way to compare review sites. Basically, it demonstrated the most severe berating that the site would ever be willing to give an Nvidia card. At launch, it was essentially the same price as the vastly superior Radeon HD 5850, making it not merely horrible in the traditional GPU quality metrics of performance per watt and performance per mm^2, dangerously hot, and obnoxiously loud, but also an atrocious value for the money. If the review site didn't heavily pan the card, then find a better review site. If a site called the card "smoking", it was referring to overheating problems, not high frame rates.
The big difference is between DirectX 9 and DirectX 10/11. In DirectX 9 games, ATI implemented FP16 demotion to selectively use 16-bit color depth rather than 32-bit when the card is running out of video memory. That keeps frame rates up when you need a little more video memory than you have for maximum performance. The drawback is reduced image quality. If you take screenshots with FP16 demotion enabled or disabled and look carefully, sometimes you can see image quality differences and sometimes not. Nvidia drivers do not offer the same optimization for DirectX 9 games. Nvidia says that's a way for ATI to cheat in card reviews and tells reviewers to disable it for reviews. DirectX 10 and 11 implement FP16 demotion in the API to allow game developers to use it where appropriate, so ATI drivers don't use it in DirectX 10 or 11 games.
For what it's worth, Final Fantasy XIV is a DirectX 9.0c game, and apparently one that highly favors the Evergreen architecture over Fermi, more so than most other games.
Reading the new egg reviews of the card and non complain of it and most say its a great card.....either way I will see if I can cancell my order and get the 460 for $30 more.
The only diffenece I can see is the 465 has a slower clock and more threads while the 460 has a faster clock and less threads.
Vista 64, E8400 Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz, 8GB XMS2, EVGA Akimbo 8800GT 1GB DDR3
Look closer at the specs. The GTX460 has a new core CPU (110 iirc) that supports OpenGL 5.0 as well. I know OpenGL is an oddity under Windows, but it does show that the card is capable of better graphics than the GTX465 that supports OpenGL 4
That was the reason I took my GTX460 over a GTX465/470
They're different GPU chips. The GeForce GTX 465 is based on GF100, while the GeForce GTX 460 is based on GF104. GF100 is simply a horrible GPU chip, and probably the worst for its day to come to market in many years. Nvidia saw what the problems were in time to fix some of them in GF104 while it was being designed, though GF104 does inherit some of the same problems. GF104 isn't a very good GPU chip, either (it's significantly larger than Cypress but much slower and with radically worse yields), but it's a lot better than GF100.
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New Egg reviews aren't necessarily that useful. I'd really only give them much weight for commodity products like memory or optical drives. The problem with bad products is that people who know what they're doing will avoid the product and not review it, so the reviews of bad products come from people who don't know what they're talking about. Meanwhile, better products get rated by more knowledgeable buyers who hold the product to higher standards.
This is most glaring with power supplies. A lot of horrible power supplies get rated highly there because people who haven't the slightest clue what they're doing buy it, see that it doesn't blow up, and give if five eggs, not realizing that the power supply is the reason why they get a blue screen a week. People who know what they're doing buy something much better, but have much higher standards, and might well rate it down for being noisier than expected or not having as long of cables as expected.
Say, while we're picking apart your order, did you get the TruePower New or the EarthWatts? The former is better, but the latter is good enough, too.
Really, though, with a more suitable video card, you could have gotten less wattage on the power supply and saved a bit of money that way.
The problem is my current 500w power suply does not have enought 6 pin connectors and is 50w shy of what is needed.
Vista 64, E8400 Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz, 8GB XMS2, EVGA Akimbo 8800GT 1GB DDR3
A GeForce GTX 460 or Radeon HD 5850 barely needs the second 6-pin connector, so with a good 500 W power supply, you could use a 2x Molex -> 6-pin adapter and it would be a problem.
Having to get a new power supply, too, is making this GTX 465 awfully expensive. Well, unless your old power supply was junk and needed to be replaced anyway. Which I'm guessing it wasn't, if you knew enough to get something good as a replacement.
The GTX460 does not really need the 2nd 6-pin connector..? Then why did I buy a 620Watt SLI PSU to get a 2nd connector..?
Anyone knows if a 620Watt PSU (CoolerMaster 620M) I can run the GTX460 in SLI..?
There are adaptors for that, you will most likely get one with the card.
50 Watts short and Antec (who isn't that great) mean that you will have to disconnect anything that takes power and you don't need, like extra hard drive, the second CD rom (and in worst case the first too). It still might now work but I give it rather high chance.
Next time get a Corsair PSU instead, they are better and have more connectors.
Taking out a power suply is very easy and the one I got has more than enough connectors and is rated for the video card I ordered, The Corsair PS on new egg all had bad reviews and I have never had a problem with an Antec PS.
Vista 64, E8400 Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz, 8GB XMS2, EVGA Akimbo 8800GT 1GB DDR3
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/07/12/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-graphics-card-review/11
Gives you how much power the card uses, you might get away with it as long as it isn't the 1GB version that uses more power, but it is rather tight and depends on what you have more.
Yea I got the 1GB GTX 460 one from EVGA and the extra 100w can't hurt!
Vista 64, E8400 Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz, 8GB XMS2, EVGA Akimbo 8800GT 1GB DDR3
I had. My old one were running 30 Watts to low and it died after 2 years or so. Corsairs are superior and only uses the power you need, not the max wattage.
Antec are still better than many really crappy PSUs but not anything I can recommend.
I had several Corsair PSUs and all have delivered what they should and more, I never seen a broken one. I have a Corsair 950W myself now. I am not so sure about the modular one however, never actually used one since they cost more without any actual benefits, maybe it was them you read about.
Antec is a low price brand but they are okay for the price, I never met anyone who builds computers often that recommends them unless the price is the only factor, search the PSU threads here and you'll see.
100W extra never hurts, no. You might want to put in some extra harddrives into it later.
changing PSU is pretty simple, use a ESD bracelet (5 bucks), try not to touch the MB more than you have to and be careful so not a cable gets into a fan and you will be fine.
It's the EVGA SC 768Mb version I have and I want to SLI that one. Looking at the CoolerMaster calculation I'd barely make it indeed (approx 600Watt consumption, taking GTX665 as reference and substract 50W per card), but I also have 3 USB input devices drawing power - G11, corless trackball and Wacom Bamboo pen. I think with the extra consumption from the USB I might be in trouble it I SLI the card, right?
Because a Seasonic power supply with a Corsair sticker on it is better than a Seasonic power supply with an Antec sticker on it? It's not just that they use the same manufacturer for some of their power supplies. Compare the Corsair 400CX and the Antec Neo Eco 400 W and see if you can find any differences other than stickers and packaging. You might not want to get an Antec Basiq, but the rest of their power supplies are pretty good and even the Basiq isn't really that bad.
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"The GTX460 does not really need the 2nd 6-pin connector..?"
A PCI Express slot can deliver 75 W, and each 6-pin connector can deliver 75 W. With one 6-pin connector, the card can draw 150 W, and with two, it can get 225 W. The GeForce GTX 460 has a TDP of 160 W and the Radeon HD 5850 is 151 W, both barely over what you could get with a single 6-pin connector. That's at stock speeds, though, and if you overclock, you'll need a lot more headroom.
You should have a second 6-pin connector plugged into the card, but it won't draw a bunch of extra power.
"Then why did I buy a 620Watt SLI PSU to get a 2nd connector..?"
Because you didn't know what you were getting so you bought one from Cooler Master that likely isn't very good.
"Anyone knows if a 620Watt PSU (CoolerMaster 620M) I can run the GTX460 in SLI..?"
I wouldn't try running one of them on that power supply. For that matter, I wouldn't try running zero of them on it, either. It's not the worst power supply you could have gotten, I guess, but I wouldn't buy a power supply from Cooler Master, as a lot of theirs are rather bad. Cooler Master makes nice cases and heatsinks, though.
"The Corsair PS on new egg all had bad reviews and I have never had a problem with an Antec PS."
See my point above about New Egg reviews for power supplies being useless.
"Yea I got the 1GB GTX 460 one from EVGA and the extra 100w can't hurt!
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It's only rated at 516 W on the +12 V rail. A more reputable company probably would have called it a 550 W power supply or so. And that's assuming that it can safely deliver the rated wattage on the +12 V rail, which it likely can't.
Extra hard drives, plural? I'm of the view that one hard drive is one too many. Having to put up with hard drives is the universe's way of punishing music and movie pirates. But even if you do need a hard drive, it's easy to get one with effectively infinite capacity for any legal use that a typical consumer might have.
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What was the old power supply that you're replacing, anyway?
Here is what I ended up ordering..... This card seems slower on paper compaired to the GTX 465 but the lower power and heat should be a plus. My EVGA Akimbo 8800GT would make my office hot so it will be nice to have a cooler card.
Video card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130566
and...
Power Suply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371021
Vista 64, E8400 Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz, 8GB XMS2, EVGA Akimbo 8800GT 1GB DDR3
That's a far more sensible purchase than your original one.
As far as comparing the speed of a GTX 460 1 GB to a GTX 465 on paper, let's try it:
Shader power:
GTX 460: 336 shaders x 1350 MHz = 453600
GTX 465: 352 shaders x 1215 MHz = 427680
GTX 460 wins.
TMU power:
GTX 460: 56 TMUs x 675 MHz = 37800
GTX 465: 44 TMUs x 607 MHz = 26708
GTX 460 wins, by a lot.
ROP power:
GTX 460: 32 TMUs x 675 MHz = 21600
GTX 465: 32 TMUs x 607 MHz = 19424
GTX 460 wins again.
Memory bandwidth:
GTX 460: 4 channels of GDDR5 at 900 MHz
GTX 465: 4 channels of GDDR5 at 801 MHz
GTX 460 wins handily.
Polymorph engines:
GTX 460: 7 SMs x 675 MHz = 4725
GTX 465: 11 SMs x 607 MHz = 6677
GTX 465 wins handily here, but for gaming purposes, it probably doesn't matter. This could be a big deal for Quadro cards, though, which is what GF100 is really meant for.
On paper, GTX 460 wins at gaming. Card reviews generally agree that in games, the results range from the GTX 460 winning handily to the cards being essentially tied. And that's before we consider the heat and power issues.