I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
Hmm I have no clue where you have been reading. I don't any HATE nor is anyone PISSED. They just dumb down the game plus to have you pay more. Want another toon.. pay more. That alone to pay more for extra toons. To defend that when all other paying mmos you get a free extra.. says it all.
If you are talking about FFXIV you know that there is absolutely no need to have a second character slot? you can have all classes on one whether disciple of war, magic or all the crafting skills? the only things make sense buying is extra retainers which are as cheap as 1 US dollars. But than again you really don't need it either if you manage your buying and selling accordingly.
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
For the record, I don't actually take the ratings on this site seriously.
On the other hand... 101?!
Well, Aion holds 77th spot, while it's still doing great worldwide with 1-2 million+ subs, so I'm guessing if a number of mmorpg.com visitors here really don't like aspects of a game they really let it know.
Also, it must mean that Atlantica Online apparently is more of a gem than any other MMORPG, and that people actually liked Vanguard and Ryzom a hell of a lot more than they show with actions by playing those games. Maybe MMO players should all give those a try, Atlantica Online first of course.
No, it's not a rating on the game. It's a rating on how people feel about the game.
And once again, FFXIV is lower than any game you mentioned, and by 25 spots.
Edit: I just didn't expect it to be that low. And I figured it might be a shock to others as well. It's not supposed to say, "OMG this game sucks look at this number!!!" But it is a bit shocking to me.
MMORPG.com is a questionable gauge of any game. 1,256,986 Members =
28% of people who lie about their age so they can post on a forum.
20% of people who not be happy even if they just had the best sex of their life.
15% of people who don't care one way or the other.
8% never returned after creating an account.
(numbers not scientific...)
Basically, the fed way out number the feeders around here.
If you are talking about FFXIV you know that there is absolutely no need to have a second character slot? you can have all classes on one whether disciple of war, magic or all the crafting skills? the only things make sense buying is extra retainers which are as cheap as 1 US dollars. But than again you really don't need it either if you manage your buying and selling accordingly.
That is one of the aspects this game is offering that I really like. I rather enjoy that if you wanted to you could level your character into all those areas.
Not only just so you can try out the different classes but for those times that you're simply missing a particular class to do content. Instead of being stuck having to wait around for the tank, healer, debuffer, etc. it would be great to be able to say, "No problem guys, I'm leveled in 'class x' too so lets invite that guy looking for a group and I'll be the 'class x'"
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
First off if you would actually play the game you would realize that the servers are already filling up fast, so I think allot of people want to play this. Secondly most of the people trashing this game on these forums played it for one day in Beta then made their mind up. Thirdly if you have not played the game don't comment on it; we already have to many non players trying to explain why this game will fail.
First off those servers will be dead in a month like AoC, WAR, Aion, APB ect.
Thats the whole point of the thread. Another big hyped mmo that was rushed out the door and its gonna tank because of it.
I doubt this game will be closing servers, because it is a good game and some people are just having a hard time accepting that. Besides you have not even played it, so why would anybody take you seriously.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
But yeah, both points were on either side, and covered nothing else. My overall point was that there are plenty of folks here posting things out of interest for whatever reason that aren't on the fanboi or troll end of things. Lumping everyone together on either side, or 'polarizing' everyone, doesn't do anyone a bit of good. But that's enough OT stuffs....
In my experience when words as 'fanboi' or 'hater' are being used stigmatising a whole group of players, automatically polarises a debate needlessly. Things would go far easier if all parties could realise and accept that not everyone has the same taste, nor have to have the same taste in gaming. And nothing is fully bad or fully good, every game has things that people enjoy and things that people thoroughly dislike.
I will say that this site's ratings are pretty much junk. That said, FFXIV's numbers have taken a dive since its headstart, if that means anything. Also, being the worst-receieved AAA game? Probably not. It didn't take 7-800k customers' cash and give you a dump in return (ala AoC/WAR), but at least that shows that perhaps consumers are being a bit more careful. Still, those that have dumped $80 into the thing already and expected NOT WoW, but a functional, fun and engrossing game deserve better than what they've gotten. Even those who like it.
I totally understand people dropping FFXIV, it's a steep adaptation curve for gameplay that a lot of people just won't like. Then again, even a bit of reading up or research could have gone a long way in informing people themselves in what they were getting into, if they decided to give it a try or not.
I'll refer to this post by GPrestige which - in my mind - really highlights the feelings that I personally didn't get in my short stint of FFXIV's open beta; a living, breathing game that draws you in from the moment you step foot into its world. That said, I'm still here, still interested, and will be keeping my eye on the game for a while to come to see what changes and advancements are made. After all; SE is no RTW...
Thanks for the link, I really liked it
I don't know who/what RTW is, but Squaresoft and SE has managed to put a sense of wonder in a lot of their games for those that liked them. Of course, that doesn't mean that they have a 100% winning streak, far from, I guess we'll see in the time ahead whether FFXIV can ultimately capture that same magic and sense of wonder as FFXI had.
There are examples of MMO sequels that didn't (EQ2 to EQ) and MMO sequels that can (GW2 to GW).
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
AOC and Vanguard both took a lot of flack on release.
Yes they did but compaired to Dark and Light they got off lightly. Now moving forward three years Vanguard is a better PVE game than FFXIV, in fact it's the best PVE game on the market but lacks the player base because of the bad start.
Fact? Don't think so. Maybe your opinion lol.
VG did have a bad start, but the reason it lacks players is because it is still one of the buggiest and unpolished games on the market almost four years after launch. There are new players visiting the Isle of Dawn every day yet most of those players never leave the Isle after seeing all the little bugs and annoyances that should have been fixed before release.
But yeah, both points were on either side, and covered nothing else. My overall point was that there are plenty of folks here posting things out of interest for whatever reason that aren't on the fanboi or troll end of things. Lumping everyone together on either side, or 'polarizing' everyone, doesn't do anyone a bit of good. But that's enough OT stuffs....
In my experience when words as 'fanboi' or 'hater' are being used stigmatising a whole group of players, automatically polarises a debate needlessly. Things would go far easier if all parties could realise and accept that not everyone has the same taste, nor have to have the same taste in gaming. And nothing is fully bad or fully good, every game has things that people enjoy and things that people thoroughly dislike.
I will say that this site's ratings are pretty much junk. That said, FFXIV's numbers have taken a dive since its headstart, if that means anything. Also, being the worst-receieved AAA game? Probably not. It didn't take 7-800k customers' cash and give you a dump in return (ala AoC/WAR), but at least that shows that perhaps consumers are being a bit more careful. Still, those that have dumped $80 into the thing already and expected NOT WoW, but a functional, fun and engrossing game deserve better than what they've gotten. Even those who like it.
I totally understand people dropping FFXIV, it's a steep adaptation curve for gameplay that a lot of people just won't like. Then again, even a bit of reading up or research could have gone a long way in informing people themselves in what they were getting into if they decided to give it a try.
I'll refer to this post by GPrestige which - in my mind - really highlights the feelings that I personally didn't get in my short stint of FFXIV's open beta; a living, breathing game that draws you in from the moment you step foot into its world. That said, I'm still here, still interested, and will be keeping my eye on the game for a while to come to see what changes and advancements are made. After all; SE is no RTW...
Thanks for the link, I really liked it
I don't know who/what RTW is, but Squaresoft and SE has managed to put a sense of wonder in a lot of their games for those that liked them. Of course, that doesn't mean that they have a 100% winning streak, far from, I guess we'll see in the time ahead whether FFXIV can ultimately capture that same magic and sense of wonder as FFXI had.
There are examples of MMO sequels that didn't (EQ2 to EQ) and MMO sequels that can (GW2 to GW).
If you took the time to actually check my post history, you'd see that we don't disgree at all, except on the point that your earlier post covered. The whole fanboi vs. troll thing goes too far, daily. Unfortunately, there are a few here and there that only intend to disrupt those enjoying themselves, and on the flip-side those who would fit Miles' stereotype to a T. They manage to squirm their way into almost every thread I read here, so I imagine that's why the lines get crossed so often.
Speaking of my post history, this post kinda covers the issue at hand. The game is too young yet to have any real reviews, and folks are no doubt clamoring for something new, what with WoW burnout setting in for many as they wait for cata, and for everyone else having few solid, quality titles to migrate to. I mean it's sad that the major titles are still WoW, EQ2, AoC, LotRO etc. etc.. Bottom line is; folks are bored, and if the potential to break the tedium sits in their wallet in the form of $80 to jump into something new, so many are convinced it's the route for them. Hence the current predicament...
RTW is RealtimeWorlds. You know, the folks who just had to shut down APB. My point was that SE isn't going anywhere. Forget FFXI and FFXIV. They're loaded, and they'll bear the brunt of whatever failure - if it really boils down to that - that FFXIV might incur, and in the meanwhile improve it. Definitely no fly-by-night company. That said, they still have a lot of work ahead to get this game up to snuff, and regardless of upcoming titles, I'm sure they'll hold their ground once things get better. Just sucks to have it pushed out the door as it is because we all know how bad launches can set an MMO adrift these days. It almost gives credit to those saying the game was rushed out to avoid upcoming competition, for which FFXIV shouldn't be competing.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
Huh, the game has dropped to 7.11 now. I think that's another 15 spots.
I wonder what release is going to be like.
48 reviews out of the thousands of people playing is hardly enough of a consensus to determine anything. Not to mention we don't know how many people actually frequent this site. I would wait three months and take a look at the Metacritic score before passing judgement on what the majority of players think.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
You will be surprised. Also if you think FFXIV has nothing going for it in graphic department than i suggest get your eyes checked.
AOC was lot more demanding on hardware back than and it shut out a lot of potential customers too. Seriously, if you are going to make an argument try not to contradict yourself within 4 lines of your post.
First off, the graphics may be good techically (im not even so sure about this with all the buttugly texture fade-ins and such) but they are beyond boring in the artdirection-department.
AOC had way better art and much more variety when it comes to landesign and architecture. The engine, while demanding, was extremely scaleable wheras in FF XIV you get five options that aren't even accessible in-game. What was your point again?
Huh, the game has dropped to 7.11 now. I think that's another 15 spots.
I wonder what release is going to be like.
48 reviews out of the thousands of people playing is hardly enough of a consensus to determine anything. Not to mention we don't know how many people actually frequent this site. I would wait three months and take a look at the Metacritic score before passing judgement on what the majority of players think.
Yeah, I agree. Way too early. It's still lower than I thought it would be.
You will be surprised. Also if you think FFXIV has nothing going for it in graphic department than i suggest get your eyes checked.
AOC was lot more demanding on hardware back than and it shut out a lot of potential customers too. Seriously, if you are going to make an argument try not to contradict yourself within 4 lines of your post.
First off, the graphics may be good techically (im not even so sure about this with all the buttugly texture fade-ins and such) but they are beyond boring in the artdirection-department.
AOC had way better art and much more variety when it comes to landesign and architecture. The engine, while demanding, was extremely scaleable wheras in FF XIV you get five options that aren't even accessible in-game. What was your point again?
Well, as longtime AoC player I beg to differ in several areas. It is for a large part a matter of taste: for example, the forest regions in FFXIV are absolutely astonishing and better looking than what you can see in AoC, the coast city Limosa is on par with a Tarantia, and the FFXIV character models are different than AoC's but as good and expressive as AoC's. Personally, I'd only rate Aion's character models and animations higher from the current MMORPG's.
Performance and scaleability: hmm, you should take this up with Fallenlord's posts in the AoC section here, it would certainly be an interesting - and very heated - discussion. And while his view regarding AoC's performance and scaleability may be excessively negative and certainly not according to the experience of the majority, there is some (a little) truth in them.
To make things work in AoC you have a world split into zones, instanced with instances of a 50-100 population cap in the old areas, and even then performance can take a drastic hit in some graphics intensive situations.
FFXIV has the upper hand on AoC in this area, in that its world provided seamless transitioning just as WoW has, no loading screens between zones or instances for all areas.
TL;DR
Both AoC and FFXIV are in the current top of MMO's in graphical detail, regarding art design and world atmosphere, that is a subjective viewpoint, both have sceneries that are great in them.
When it comes to hardware performance, both have a different approach, AoC uses zoning and instances, FFXIV has seamless transitioning a la WoW.
It seems though that FFXIV's launch when it comes to stability and bugs is going smoother (so far) than AoC's launch.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
As far as mmorpg goes I would say WAR, and AOC were close but the award goes to STO that game was horribly recieved and the truth is most of the games detractors were right.
Truth be told I knew from the irst sentence just as with the original final fantasy mmo that the game was not being designed with gamers like myself in mind so like the last one I've paid it no mind and I think it's where alot of folks went wrong the desire to hype up something new and different overrides the common sense factor usually displayed when deciding what we will and won't play.
The last thing I'm going to say is just because you loved Final Fantasy back before the merger does not mean you are going to like either one of SE's mmo's.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
I am not sure it's the devs who should take the heat for a game being released "half baked". As I see them, Dev's are like artists. They work for more than a paycheck. They pour untold hours of their life into a game for very little money It's really the SE investors who hold the purse strings and who control when they want to see some money back.
I can think of a few nice games that could have gone somewhere if the investors hadn't pulled their money out. Irth was one. Nice idea, totally open gaming world but it was rushed to release by investors then they lost their backbones and pulled out.
Just an example of one little title and how investors rule.
Originally posted by colddog04 Huh, the game has dropped to 7.11 now. I think that's another 15 spots. I wonder what release is going to be like.
I could be wrong, but im imagining there will be a HUGE drop in subscriptions after the free month and buddy keys run out. It was a great idea to try to expose more people to the game and get more subs, but a bad idea, because it just saves all those people from making the mistake of buying the game.
But you can look anywhere on the internet and see that this game is getting 5's to high 6's as of now. The ratings will remain poor for the first few months, but as more and more subscriptions drop, there will be a false sense of how good this game is as only fanbois will remain, and it will fall in somewhere around 6-7 just above STO.
the real question is still how the PS3 launch is going to go, since that is what the game is made for. Im thinking the PC launch dug a VERY big hole for the PS3 launch. Square is going to need to do some MAJOR overhauling to make this game do well when the PS3 time comes around.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I can take one look at the ridiculously high hype for GW2 and tell you exactly why any other game is going to get a lot of negative attention right now. Why? Because all the fan boys have gathered to one upcoming MMO and everything else is going to get slammed. It doesn't matter what it is. They've got GW2 built up to such proportions that nothing else can even come close. The funny thing is that once their little bubble is burst and they find out that GW2 is going to be an over instanced arcade hack and slash with very little depth they're going to stomp and cry and throw tantrums the likes of which haven't been seen since the AoC launch.
F*ck what people say. If you enjoy the game play it. FFXIV isn't in any danger of pulling an APB.
You probably do not realise the power of fan support for their beloved IPs. And SE has lots of money to invest in FFXIV in coming months. This game will only go up not down from here.
Oh I do understand. I have the most deep hatred for people who line up to buy crap knowing its crap just because x made it or y is the IP.
Oh man, when I read thiis line I thought... "Oh snap... hello Apple"
1) The devs blind sided everyone with giving all the exp. to Scenarios. After all who likes playing only battle fields as a main part of a game. It was to be an RvR game, so everyone was bitching but nothing from the devs.
I think the servers could not handle large scale RvR and they knew it !
I think WAR definitely suffered a sense of schizophrenia. It's like Mythic couldn't quite decide what type of game they wanted to focus on making it, so they tried to make it everything to everyone. And, like in so many other places, when you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing fewer.
Well, when you see nothing but contradictory statements about what we all want. It has to create some form of paradox for developers.
"They want this they want that, if we don't give it to them we fail".
What is a dev to do? The simple forum users answer to this question is do what sells well, and pleases the greatest amount of players.In the real world it doesn't quite end up being as simple, I'm sure.
What pleases the greater amount of players out there? WOW, yet create a game like WOW you get slammed, create something completely different :FFXIV: you still get slammed. People want something that has simply not released yet. Until DEVs hit that sweet-spot (WOW) again, things will continue as is, trial and error.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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If you are talking about FFXIV you know that there is absolutely no need to have a second character slot? you can have all classes on one whether disciple of war, magic or all the crafting skills? the only things make sense buying is extra retainers which are as cheap as 1 US dollars. But than again you really don't need it either if you manage your buying and selling accordingly.
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
MMORPG.com is a questionable gauge of any game. 1,256,986 Members =
28% of people who lie about their age so they can post on a forum.
20% of people who not be happy even if they just had the best sex of their life.
15% of people who don't care one way or the other.
8% never returned after creating an account.
(numbers not scientific...)
Basically, the fed way out number the feeders around here.
That is one of the aspects this game is offering that I really like. I rather enjoy that if you wanted to you could level your character into all those areas.
Not only just so you can try out the different classes but for those times that you're simply missing a particular class to do content. Instead of being stuck having to wait around for the tank, healer, debuffer, etc. it would be great to be able to say, "No problem guys, I'm leveled in 'class x' too so lets invite that guy looking for a group and I'll be the 'class x'"
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I doubt this game will be closing servers, because it is a good game and some people are just having a hard time accepting that. Besides you have not even played it, so why would anybody take you seriously.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
Thanks for the link, I really liked it
I don't know who/what RTW is, but Squaresoft and SE has managed to put a sense of wonder in a lot of their games for those that liked them. Of course, that doesn't mean that they have a 100% winning streak, far from, I guess we'll see in the time ahead whether FFXIV can ultimately capture that same magic and sense of wonder as FFXI had.
There are examples of MMO sequels that didn't (EQ2 to EQ) and MMO sequels that can (GW2 to GW).
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Fact? Don't think so. Maybe your opinion lol.
VG did have a bad start, but the reason it lacks players is because it is still one of the buggiest and unpolished games on the market almost four years after launch. There are new players visiting the Isle of Dawn every day yet most of those players never leave the Isle after seeing all the little bugs and annoyances that should have been fixed before release.
If you took the time to actually check my post history, you'd see that we don't disgree at all, except on the point that your earlier post covered. The whole fanboi vs. troll thing goes too far, daily. Unfortunately, there are a few here and there that only intend to disrupt those enjoying themselves, and on the flip-side those who would fit Miles' stereotype to a T. They manage to squirm their way into almost every thread I read here, so I imagine that's why the lines get crossed so often.
Speaking of my post history, this post kinda covers the issue at hand. The game is too young yet to have any real reviews, and folks are no doubt clamoring for something new, what with WoW burnout setting in for many as they wait for cata, and for everyone else having few solid, quality titles to migrate to. I mean it's sad that the major titles are still WoW, EQ2, AoC, LotRO etc. etc.. Bottom line is; folks are bored, and if the potential to break the tedium sits in their wallet in the form of $80 to jump into something new, so many are convinced it's the route for them. Hence the current predicament...
RTW is RealtimeWorlds. You know, the folks who just had to shut down APB. My point was that SE isn't going anywhere. Forget FFXI and FFXIV. They're loaded, and they'll bear the brunt of whatever failure - if it really boils down to that - that FFXIV might incur, and in the meanwhile improve it. Definitely no fly-by-night company. That said, they still have a lot of work ahead to get this game up to snuff, and regardless of upcoming titles, I'm sure they'll hold their ground once things get better. Just sucks to have it pushed out the door as it is because we all know how bad launches can set an MMO adrift these days. It almost gives credit to those saying the game was rushed out to avoid upcoming competition, for which FFXIV shouldn't be competing.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
Huh, the game has dropped to 7.11 now. I think that's another 15 spots.
I wonder what release is going to be like.
48 reviews out of the thousands of people playing is hardly enough of a consensus to determine anything. Not to mention we don't know how many people actually frequent this site. I would wait three months and take a look at the Metacritic score before passing judgement on what the majority of players think.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
First off, the graphics may be good techically (im not even so sure about this with all the buttugly texture fade-ins and such) but they are beyond boring in the artdirection-department.
AOC had way better art and much more variety when it comes to landesign and architecture. The engine, while demanding, was extremely scaleable wheras in FF XIV you get five options that aren't even accessible in-game. What was your point again?
Yeah, I agree. Way too early. It's still lower than I thought it would be.
Well, as longtime AoC player I beg to differ in several areas. It is for a large part a matter of taste: for example, the forest regions in FFXIV are absolutely astonishing and better looking than what you can see in AoC, the coast city Limosa is on par with a Tarantia, and the FFXIV character models are different than AoC's but as good and expressive as AoC's. Personally, I'd only rate Aion's character models and animations higher from the current MMORPG's.
Performance and scaleability: hmm, you should take this up with Fallenlord's posts in the AoC section here, it would certainly be an interesting - and very heated - discussion. And while his view regarding AoC's performance and scaleability may be excessively negative and certainly not according to the experience of the majority, there is some (a little) truth in them.
To make things work in AoC you have a world split into zones, instanced with instances of a 50-100 population cap in the old areas, and even then performance can take a drastic hit in some graphics intensive situations.
FFXIV has the upper hand on AoC in this area, in that its world provided seamless transitioning just as WoW has, no loading screens between zones or instances for all areas.
TL;DR
Both AoC and FFXIV are in the current top of MMO's in graphical detail, regarding art design and world atmosphere, that is a subjective viewpoint, both have sceneries that are great in them.
When it comes to hardware performance, both have a different approach, AoC uses zoning and instances, FFXIV has seamless transitioning a la WoW.
It seems though that FFXIV's launch when it comes to stability and bugs is going smoother (so far) than AoC's launch.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
FFXIV is the #1 PC game on Gamefaqs. Does that mean much? No. But if you can use bullshit ratings to try to prove a point so can I right?
Uhh, I never proved any point.
I did state a fact though.
As far as mmorpg goes I would say WAR, and AOC were close but the award goes to STO that game was horribly recieved and the truth is most of the games detractors were right.
Truth be told I knew from the irst sentence just as with the original final fantasy mmo that the game was not being designed with gamers like myself in mind so like the last one I've paid it no mind and I think it's where alot of folks went wrong the desire to hype up something new and different overrides the common sense factor usually displayed when deciding what we will and won't play.
The last thing I'm going to say is just because you loved Final Fantasy back before the merger does not mean you are going to like either one of SE's mmo's.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I am not sure it's the devs who should take the heat for a game being released "half baked". As I see them, Dev's are like artists. They work for more than a paycheck. They pour untold hours of their life into a game for very little money It's really the SE investors who hold the purse strings and who control when they want to see some money back.
I can think of a few nice games that could have gone somewhere if the investors hadn't pulled their money out. Irth was one. Nice idea, totally open gaming world but it was rushed to release by investors then they lost their backbones and pulled out.
Just an example of one little title and how investors rule.
I could be wrong, but im imagining there will be a HUGE drop in subscriptions after the free month and buddy keys run out. It was a great idea to try to expose more people to the game and get more subs, but a bad idea, because it just saves all those people from making the mistake of buying the game.
But you can look anywhere on the internet and see that this game is getting 5's to high 6's as of now. The ratings will remain poor for the first few months, but as more and more subscriptions drop, there will be a false sense of how good this game is as only fanbois will remain, and it will fall in somewhere around 6-7 just above STO.
the real question is still how the PS3 launch is going to go, since that is what the game is made for. Im thinking the PC launch dug a VERY big hole for the PS3 launch. Square is going to need to do some MAJOR overhauling to make this game do well when the PS3 time comes around.
Actually, I'm more interested what metacritic will have to say after a while.
The rating here has Atlantica Online on a no2 spot of all MMO's, so not a rating I give much credibility to.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I can take one look at the ridiculously high hype for GW2 and tell you exactly why any other game is going to get a lot of negative attention right now. Why? Because all the fan boys have gathered to one upcoming MMO and everything else is going to get slammed. It doesn't matter what it is. They've got GW2 built up to such proportions that nothing else can even come close. The funny thing is that once their little bubble is burst and they find out that GW2 is going to be an over instanced arcade hack and slash with very little depth they're going to stomp and cry and throw tantrums the likes of which haven't been seen since the AoC launch.
F*ck what people say. If you enjoy the game play it. FFXIV isn't in any danger of pulling an APB.
Wait for the next game to launch and you'll see all hate threads on said game.
This is a cycle and will never end, it's highly impossible to make everyone happy in 1 mmo there will always be some people that want x different.
Oh man, when I read thiis line I thought... "Oh snap... hello Apple"
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson