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Can't Play This Game

The preformance is so terrible, I just can't stand the game.. It might run well on desktops, but for high end laptops it's bearly 30 FPS in battle, and 20 in town... It's just something I can't stand...

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  • Kaynos1972Kaynos1972 Member Posts: 2,316

    Thanks for sharing.......

  • PsychowPsychow Member Posts: 1,784

    Originally posted by De4dd0g

    The preformance is so terrible, I just can't stand the game.. It might run well on desktops, but for high end laptops it's bearly 30 FPS in battle, and 20 in town... It's just something I can't stand...

     

    How can you tell what the FPS is in game? Like does Ctrl - F show you this or something? 

  • TheHatterTheHatter Member Posts: 2,547

    High End Laptop, doesn't mean a single thing. A "High End Laptop" from 5yrs ago is a pile of junk. Post specs. If you don't know them, then you don't have a High End Laptop. 

     

    Also, what's wrong with 20FPS? You obviously don't have top end gear, so turn down video and deal with it. 20FPS isn't bad and is completely playable. 

  • ShastraShastra Member Posts: 1,061

    Originally posted by De4dd0g

    The preformance is so terrible, I just can't stand the game.. It might run well on desktops, but for high end laptops it's bearly 30 FPS in battle, and 20 in town... It's just something I can't stand...

    Can you post specs of your high end laptop? its the garphic card which matters the most.

  • TheHatterTheHatter Member Posts: 2,547

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3822587#3822587

     






    Originally posted by Quizzical





    Originally posted by De4dd0g

     I have the i5 Processor: 2.4ghz

    4gb DDR3 RAM

    NVIDIA Geforce 360M 1GB DDR5

    SATA 7200 RPM HD





    Well of course you're not going to get good performance on a system that can't meet the minimum system requirements.  A GeForce GTS 360M is basically an underclocked mobile version of a GeForce GT 240.  The desktop GT 240 performs comparably to the GeForce 9600 GT listed in the minimum requirements.  Underclocking it does tend to hurt performance for obvious reasons, leaving the card well below the minimum system requirements.

    This is why you read the system requirements before buying the game, not after.  Well, apparently you don't, but it's why you should.  Otherwise things like this happen.

    Maybe you can still salvage a playable game if you mess with settings and turn graphical settings way, way down.  But if you're much of a gamer, you might want to get a gaming machine.



    360M is a mid range Notebook card. http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTS-360M.24058.0.html

    The above poster I quoted is slightly wrong, but even still, it's not a great card. Combine that with 

     

     

    FFXIV Recommended System Specifications

    Square-Enix states that the following PC specifications are required to run Final Fantasy Online smoothly using recommended in game settings.


    • OS: Windows 7, 32 or 64 bit

    • Processor: Intel Core i7 2.66GHz or faster

    • Memory: 4GB or more

    • Storage: Install 15GB or more, Download 6GB or more

    • Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 with 768MB VRAM or equivalent

    • Sound: DirectSound compatible sound card with DirectX 9.0c or higher

    • Internet: Broadband internet connection

    • Resolution: 1280×720 or higher, 32 bit

    • DirectX: DirectX 9.0c

    • Controls: Mouse, Keyboard, Gamepad

    •  

    Never ever ever go below recommended requirements if you expect any sort of performance. Minimum is just what the game will run at, no garuntee of FPS (which 20 is fine).


     


    Your machine doesn't meet the 2 main requirements and just barely meets the second most important.

  • Zookz1Zookz1 Member Posts: 629

    Originally posted by TheHatter

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3822587#3822587

     






    Originally posted by Quizzical






    Originally posted by De4dd0g

     I have the i5 Processor: 2.4ghz

    4gb DDR3 RAM

    NVIDIA Geforce 360M 1GB DDR5

    SATA 7200 RPM HD






    Well of course you're not going to get good performance on a system that can't meet the minimum system requirements.  A GeForce GTS 360M is basically an underclocked mobile version of a GeForce GT 240.  The desktop GT 240 performs comparably to the GeForce 9600 GT listed in the minimum requirements.  Underclocking it does tend to hurt performance for obvious reasons, leaving the card well below the minimum system requirements.

    This is why you read the system requirements before buying the game, not after.  Well, apparently you don't, but it's why you should.  Otherwise things like this happen.

    Maybe you can still salvage a playable game if you mess with settings and turn graphical settings way, way down.  But if you're much of a gamer, you might want to get a gaming machine.




    360M is a low end Notebook card. 

     

    Not really. I'd say it's in the middle-upper range. It averaged about 35 FPS on a Crysis benchmark using high settings. That should be more than enough for FFXIV. The fact is that the engine is horribly optimized causing even truly high end systems to chug.

  • TheHatterTheHatter Member Posts: 2,547

    Originally posted by Zookz1

    Originally posted by TheHatter

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3822587#3822587

     






    Originally posted by Quizzical






    Originally posted by De4dd0g

     I have the i5 Processor: 2.4ghz

    4gb DDR3 RAM

    NVIDIA Geforce 360M 1GB DDR5

    SATA 7200 RPM HD






    Well of course you're not going to get good performance on a system that can't meet the minimum system requirements.  A GeForce GTS 360M is basically an underclocked mobile version of a GeForce GT 240.  The desktop GT 240 performs comparably to the GeForce 9600 GT listed in the minimum requirements.  Underclocking it does tend to hurt performance for obvious reasons, leaving the card well below the minimum system requirements.

    This is why you read the system requirements before buying the game, not after.  Well, apparently you don't, but it's why you should.  Otherwise things like this happen.

    Maybe you can still salvage a playable game if you mess with settings and turn graphical settings way, way down.  But if you're much of a gamer, you might want to get a gaming machine.




    360M is a low end Notebook card. 

     

    Not really. I'd say it's in the middle-upper range. It averaged about 35 FPS on a Crysis benchmark using high settings. That should be more than enough for FFXIV. The fact is that the engine is horribly optimized causing even truly high end systems the chug.

    Yeah, you took a long time to post that. I edited my post long before you made this one. I said the same thing before you made this post. image I was wrong, I admit it. 

  • RandomCasualtyRandomCasualty Member UncommonPosts: 331

    My asus g73jh runs it quite brilliantly.

    Too bad I don't know what I'm doing in the game, but performance so far isn't a concern and that is in town, running around camps with high population etc

  • ShastraShastra Member Posts: 1,061

    Originally posted by Zookz1

    Originally posted by TheHatter

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3822587#3822587

     






    Originally posted by Quizzical






    Originally posted by De4dd0g

     I have the i5 Processor: 2.4ghz

    4gb DDR3 RAM

    NVIDIA Geforce 360M 1GB DDR5

    SATA 7200 RPM HD






    Well of course you're not going to get good performance on a system that can't meet the minimum system requirements.  A GeForce GTS 360M is basically an underclocked mobile version of a GeForce GT 240.  The desktop GT 240 performs comparably to the GeForce 9600 GT listed in the minimum requirements.  Underclocking it does tend to hurt performance for obvious reasons, leaving the card well below the minimum system requirements.

    This is why you read the system requirements before buying the game, not after.  Well, apparently you don't, but it's why you should.  Otherwise things like this happen.

    Maybe you can still salvage a playable game if you mess with settings and turn graphical settings way, way down.  But if you're much of a gamer, you might want to get a gaming machine.




    360M is a low end Notebook card. 

     

    Not really. I'd say it's in the middle-upper range. It averaged about 35 FPS on a Crysis benchmark using high settings. That should be more than enough for FFXIV. The fact is that the engine is horribly optimized causing even truly high end systems to chug.

    Did you not see the recommended video card list? 360M is not  a good card for graphically intense MMOS. Also 35 fps is nothing great because it will vary a lot for  abrand new MMO. Its an average card not bad but won't help with MMOS which are heavy graphically.

  • Zookz1Zookz1 Member Posts: 629

    Yeah, you took a long time to post that. I edited my post long before you made this one. I said the same thing before you made this post. image I was wrong, I admit it. 

    I was enjoing an Ottis Spunkmeyer muffin which took precedence over finishing my post :P

  • De4dd0gDe4dd0g Member Posts: 157

    Originally posted by TheHatter

    High End Laptop, doesn't mean a single thing. A "High End Laptop" from 5yrs ago is a pile of junk. Post specs. If you don't know them, then you don't have a High End Laptop. 

     

    Also, what's wrong with 20FPS? You obviously don't have top end gear, so turn down video and deal with it. 20FPS isn't bad and is completely playable. 

     Intel Core i7 2.0ghz, Turbo Boost 2.8ghz

    6GB DDR3

    ATI Mobility HD 5870 1gb DDR5

    500GB SATA 7200RPM HD

     

    20 FPS is jumpy, and annoying....

    30 FPS in battle, by myself? What if I join a group then I got 10-20 FPS?

    Everything is at low too, I could play everything maxed out and get the same performance... It doesn't make sense... but I can also say FFXI was programmed the same way, the game is so old, yet runs so bad on certain PC's... Square Enix needs to get some continued education credits in programming.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507

    A GeForce GTS 360M really isn't a low end card.  I guess it will be comparable in performance to the GF108 based cards that will be Nvidia's low end of the Fermi generation, but that's really just a case of Nvidia vacating the low end entirely.  Anyway, here's the desktop equivalent:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130533

    $50 after rebate with free shipping doesn't exactly scream "high end", now does it?  It is a good value for someone looking for a gaming desktop on a very tight budget, though.

    One could talk about high end for a laptop, which is to say, really not high end at all.  That would be Mobility Radeon HD 5870 type of stuff, and can be had for around $1200 or so.  Or one could talk about laptops that really are high end, and cost around $4000, but give performance comparable to a $1200 or so gaming desktop.  Regardless, the original poster has neither.

    Also, if tricked into buying a laptop that is a lot slower than you thought, studies have found that starting additional threads complaining about it does not make the laptop magically run faster.  Especially if the threads are posted in a place where the company that sold you the laptop will never see them.

    Some people say that there are graphics settings that can be turned down, but are hard to find.  If you haven't already done that, you might want to look for them.  I haven't played the game myself, so I don't know where they are.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507

    Originally posted by De4dd0g

    Originally posted by TheHatter

    High End Laptop, doesn't mean a single thing. A "High End Laptop" from 5yrs ago is a pile of junk. Post specs. If you don't know them, then you don't have a High End Laptop. 

     

    Also, what's wrong with 20FPS? You obviously don't have top end gear, so turn down video and deal with it. 20FPS isn't bad and is completely playable. 

     Intel Core i7 2.0ghz, Turbo Boost 2.8ghz

    6GB DDR3

    ATI Mobility HD 5870 1gb DDR5

    500GB SATA 7200RPM HD

     

    20 FPS is jumpy, and annoying....

    30 FPS in battle, by myself? What if I join a group then I got 10-20 FPS?

    Everything is at low too, I could play everything maxed out and get the same performance... It doesn't make sense... but I can also say FFXI was programmed the same way, the game is so old, yet runs so bad on certain PC's... Square Enix needs to get some continued education credits in programming.

    So wait, you got a brand new laptop in the last two days, and the same performance as before?  Somehow I'm not buying it.

    Anyway, here's the only processor that fits your description:

    http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43559

    It's a low power alternate version of Arrandale.  Please note that low power does tend to mean low performance.

    Well, perhaps I should say the only laptop processor.  There's an alternate embedded version that is basically the same thing.  If gaming desktop processors have a TDP of 95-130 W, and that one has a TDP of 25 W and is supposed to reserve some of that for integrated graphics, well, you can see the problem.

  • XithrylXithryl Member UncommonPosts: 256

    The recommended system requirements for this game are stupid. Its pretty easy to slap a sticker on the box with some of the highest PC parts out and say oh this is reccomended, no shit.. I think what happened was they didnt take the time to properly optimize the game and just figured well if we do this, it will save us.

    I feel this game should be running much better then it does, even with its graphics as shiny as they are.

    I hope its addressed and we see some nice performance patches, between them and the video card companies.

  • JonnyBigBossJonnyBigBoss Member UncommonPosts: 702

    I upgraded my graphics card to a 5770 just to run this game, and it chugs along while in most areas. This game is definitely not optimized, but that's the least of my concern.

  • XithrylXithryl Member UncommonPosts: 256

    Originally posted by JonnyBigBoss

    I upgraded my graphics card to a 5770 just to run this game, and it chugs along while in most areas. This game is definitely not optimized, but that's the least of my concern.

     

    I upgraded as well, friend of mine replaced his whole PC, lol and neither of us are still playing, but hey at least we got some new hardware.

  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    I was rather surprised to see the engine was fairly well optimized at release.  I actuall can run the game comfortably with Ambient Occlusion on, and I couldn't in beta.  This is on a GeForce 250 GTS, somewhat below that of the recommended 460.

    Recommend you mess with the settings.  The usual culprit is the "buffer" setting.  Don't set this above "resolution," it's not like triple-buffering, it's something completely different, if you set it to "double" it actually does double the rendering it needs to.

  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    I don't really have this problem with lag like you do.

    I just find the game to be really time consuming. If you run out of anima, you are stuck running back and forth. Run out of arrows?  Well, if you don't have any anima and you are in the woodlands than get ready for a long and boring journey, should be an npc selling arrows at every camp, but there is not.

     

    Game is a hassle. It's fun when you can actually get things done, but it is a pain to do almost anything.

    Community is not very helpful on my server. You try to talk to people or ask a question you are ignored.

    I do get most of the answer to my question off of fan site, but still be nice to see folks in chat helping others. Especially when the answer is so easy  to give.

     

    Overall I like this game so far. It does take alot time to get around, and back and forth traveling. When I had anima it wasn't really bad. I find alot of things to be time consuming. But it is a beautiful game.  Combat is kind of slow , turn based. 

    Fun game, but something that you need to just relax and try to enjoy and take your time with. Can't try to rush through it or you will be frustrated in no time.

    image


    "When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"

  • XithrylXithryl Member UncommonPosts: 256

    Thats good news for you, but it seems like it depends on peoples systems and all sorts of stuff, hence poor optimization, lol... but its all.

    As long as you can enjoy it, thats good stuff :) I'm not here to bash the game or people for playing it.

  • MisterSrMisterSr Member UncommonPosts: 928

    Originally posted by De4dd0g

    The preformance is so terrible, I just can't stand the game.. It might run well on desktops, but for high end laptops it's bearly 30 FPS in battle, and 20 in town... It's just something I can't stand...

    Lower your graphics settings and see if that helps, not all of us can have pretty games. 

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