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Ign's review

he basically refers to his review as even being "in progress" stating this is something he'd maybe buy, just not in it's current form. he's not going all ultra defending "fanboi" or acentuating all the negative to get a rise like a "troll" he's giving what he's sees as good or what he's sees as needing improvement or bad.  i find myself agreeing with most of it and i hope he does continue to update the review as much as possible.....it's a more balanced review then alot of the people around here are bothering to do...myself included.

 

http://pc.ign.com/articles/112/1123824p1.html

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  • Miles-ProwerMiles-Prower Member Posts: 1,106

    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.

    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.

    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.

     

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  • ShastraShastra Member Posts: 1,061

    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.

    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.

    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.

     

    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

    This is what i hate. As if you just want  him to give as much negative review as possible. if you botherd to read its quite  a balanced review. Seriously grow up. Only because you hate the game doesn't mean everyone else has to be out right negative.

  • Vagrant_ZeroVagrant_Zero Member Posts: 1,190


    Originally posted by Miles-Prower
    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.
    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.
    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.
     
    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

    The trick to IGN is knowing how they grade games. A 7.7 from IGN is 5.2/10 for the rest of us (internally, IGN considers 7.3 a 5/10).

  • PresbytierPresbytier Member UncommonPosts: 424

    Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

     




    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.

    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.

    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.

     

    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!




     

    The trick to IGN is knowing how they grade games. A 7.7 from IGN is 5.2/10 for the rest of us (internally, IGN considers 7.3 a 5/10).

    That is asinine; nobody uses two rating systems like that and is just another inane "Video Game Conspiracy".

    "Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
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  • Miles-ProwerMiles-Prower Member Posts: 1,106

    Originally posted by Shastra

    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.

    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.

    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.

     

    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

    This is what i hate. As if you just want  him to give as much negative review as possible. if you botherd to read its quite  a balanced review. Seriously grow up. Only because you hate the game doesn't mean everyone else has to be out right negative.

    Right, because I really hate FFXIV. That's not it at all. I don't hate FFXIV. I want FFXIV to be good, because I want to play it. But that's a story best saved for another time. I may be easily distinguishable by my twin-tails and well-known as best friend and side-kick of Sonic the Hedgehog, and my likes and dislikes are posted on every fan site in existence, but please don't pretend you know what I hate. >.<

     

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  • MMO.MaverickMMO.Maverick Member CommonPosts: 7,619

    Hmm... they have a bit of a point though, if you really like the game you have a funny, very original, way of showing it image

     

    edit: oh, btw, nice find, the article. Didn't know game sites had already started with their reviews and impressions-pieces.

    The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's

    The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
    Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    I like this reviewer. He seems to be giving it a fair shake.

  • ShastraShastra Member Posts: 1,061

    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    Originally posted by Shastra


    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.

    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.

    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.

     

    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

    This is what i hate. As if you just want  him to give as much negative review as possible. if you botherd to read its quite  a balanced review. Seriously grow up. Only because you hate the game doesn't mean everyone else has to be out right negative.

    Right, because I really hate FFXIV. That's not it at all. I don't hate FFXIV. I want FFXIV to be good, because I want to play it. But that's a story best saved for another time. I may be easily distinguishable by my twin-tails and well-known as best friend and side-kick of Sonic the Hedgehog, and my likes and dislikes are posted on every fan site in existence, but please don't pretend you know what I hate. >.<

     

    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

    So what was with that comment? please don't tell me you were not disappointed that reviewer didn't rip the game apart. That 'glued to to rose colered eye' comments says it all. i am sorry if someone is trying to give a balanced review not blinded by extreme love or hate for the game. Such people do exist.

  • SpeiberbobSpeiberbob Member Posts: 233

    Tails admit it ...you´re high on rings

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  • Miles-ProwerMiles-Prower Member Posts: 1,106

    Originally posted by cyphers

    Hmm... they have a bit of a point though, if you really like the game you have a funny, very original, way of showing it image

    It's tough love. I'm the same way with WoW, and I've been a subscriber to WoW since the start. I think the best way to a good release is through pressure. If you don't put enough pressure on a company they become lax and start to experiment, and before you know it, you got a game that has all kinds of features, but none of them any good. Fix the problems we have, then we can talk about the future of the game.

     

    Oh, and the rose-colored glasses comment meant this: I said that because it's too early in the review. Because he's new to the game he's suffering from what I like to call the "New MMORPG smell".

     

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  • Vagrant_ZeroVagrant_Zero Member Posts: 1,190


    Originally posted by Presbytier


    Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero
     



    Originally posted by Miles-Prower
    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.
    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.
    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.
     
    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!


     
    The trick to IGN is knowing how they grade games. A 7.7 from IGN is 5.2/10 for the rest of us (internally, IGN considers 7.3 a 5/10).

    That is asinine; nobody uses two rating systems like that and is just another inane "Video Game Conspiracy".

    Beh Beh Beh. http://kotaku.com/328244/gamespot-editor-fired-over-kane--lynch-review
    Sheeple.

  • MMO.MaverickMMO.Maverick Member CommonPosts: 7,619

    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    Originally posted by cyphers

    Hmm... they have a bit of a point though, if you really like the game you have a funny, very original, way of showing it image

    It's tough love. I'm the same way with WoW, and I've been a subscriber to WoW since the start. I think the best way to a good release is through pressure. If you don't put enough pressure on a company they become lax and start to experiment, and before you know it, you got a game that has all kinds of features, but none of them any good. Fix the problems we have, then we can talk about the future of the game.

     

    Oh, and the rose-colored glasses comment meant this: I said that because it's too early in the review. Because he's new to the game he's suffering from what I like to call the "New MMORPG smell".

    Ok, that makes sense. I don't agree fully with all the methods used for it, but that doesn't prevent me from respecting the attitude and goal image

    The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's

    The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
    Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."

  • yaminsuxyaminsux Member UncommonPosts: 973

    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    Originally posted by cyphers

    Hmm... they have a bit of a point though, if you really like the game you have a funny, very original, way of showing it image

    It's tough love. I'm the same way with WoW, and I've been a subscriber to WoW since the start. I think the best way to a good release is through pressure. If you don't put enough pressure on a company they become lax and start to experiment, and before you know it, you got a game that has all kinds of features, but none of them any good. Fix the problems we have, then we can talk about the future of the game.

     

    Oh, and the rose-colored glasses comment meant this: I said that because it's too early in the review. Because he's new to the game he's suffering from what I like to call the "New MMORPG smell".

     

    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

    Not a personal attack but use "New smell" comment then, so you dont get misunderstood. Rose-tinted glasses carries a different meaning.

  • katalysiskatalysis Member Posts: 51

    Where is the supposedly 7.7 score? This is a scoreless review.

    If I were to judge (and if you look at my previous posts about FFXIV on this forum), I'd say I'm the type who criticizes the things he cares about (vs. the more laudatory crowd). I've been playing FFXIV since headstart day 1 and am a co-leader of a linkshell, and I have to say that this IGN review and the opinions therein are actually refreshingly accurate and fair.

  • seabeastseabeast Member Posts: 748

    Most likely I am in minority regarding the AH, that is, if the concept of the game is to reward for longevity then an AH should not be in the game. For me, this allows more interaction with players however, there should be some sort to ID to what the seller is selling such as a banner over the selling place. Fallen Earth had a fair where crafters sold in the same manner and it was a blast for me and setting up camps were equally enjoyable.

    The author pretty much sums up what some players reported as fix and yet many players are saying has continued from OB: "That's a little much, and part of why this game's interface can be very irritating at times. It's especially bad when the game gets laggy (which tends to be often) and you're forced to wait upwards of several seconds for menus to even appear." I almsot purchused the game when I read that the lag was non-excistent by some and the interface menus fixed. I do continue to receive such reports for sites where some indicate that they are running a mid level rig and not experiencing any lag or UI issues.

    I am a fan of Ign reviews, mostly because they have some excelent vedios's backing up what they share regarding games. In this "progress" type review the author attempts to keep bias in its place but falls into the "nitche" game deal. Statements such as "the game is not for everyone" is very weak as I have yet to hear about the game that "is for everyone" and only brings with is misunderstanding. 

    To this end, all the pro's and con's discussed in his article have been shared about on every gaming site I have visited, I only hope that the company is listening and can...readjust before it is too late.

  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    Originally posted by colddog04

    I like this reviewer. He seems to be giving it a fair shake.

    For once, we're in agreement.  The Kotaku review-in-progress seems to be getting done by a guy who really prefers the more casual-friendly WoW approach, but this IGN reviewer seems to understand that these games don't need to do it WoW's way to be good:

    "nothing in this game is given to you without a catch, and everything takes a long time to do. It's not the type of game where you can simply speed to the good bits, but requires you put in the time fiddling with the interface and tracking down necessary components to accomplish more basic tasks. Of course this type of pacing is the case with higher level endeavors in any other MMO, but in FFXIV it's there from the start. Basically, if you're short on free time this does not seem like a good MMO to dive into based on what I've experienced so far."

    That's the niche this game seems to be catering towards, those who aren't particularly short on free time. ;)

  • seabeastseabeast Member Posts: 748

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Originally posted by colddog04

    I like this reviewer. He seems to be giving it a fair shake.

    For once, we're in agreement.  The Kotaku review-in-progress seems to be getting done by a guy who really prefers the more casual-friendly WoW approach, but this IGN reviewer seems to understand that these games don't need to do it WoW's way to be good:

    "nothing in this game is given to you without a catch, and everything takes a long time to do. It's not the type of game where you can simply speed to the good bits, but requires you put in the time fiddling with the interface and tracking down necessary components to accomplish more basic tasks. Of course this type of pacing is the case with higher level endeavors in any other MMO, but in FFXIV it's there from the start. Basically, if you're short on free time this does not seem like a good MMO to dive into based on what I've experienced so far."

    That's the niche this game seems to be catering towards, those who aren't particularly short on free time. ;)

     So it is not the casual player base nor the hardcore long playing gamers, so the niche player would be...who?

  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    Originally posted by seabeast

    Originally posted by geldonyetich


    Originally posted by colddog04

    I like this reviewer. He seems to be giving it a fair shake.

    For once, we're in agreement.  The Kotaku review-in-progress seems to be getting done by a guy who really prefers the more casual-friendly WoW approach, but this IGN reviewer seems to understand that these games don't need to do it WoW's way to be good:

    "nothing in this game is given to you without a catch, and everything takes a long time to do. It's not the type of game where you can simply speed to the good bits, but requires you put in the time fiddling with the interface and tracking down necessary components to accomplish more basic tasks. Of course this type of pacing is the case with higher level endeavors in any other MMO, but in FFXIV it's there from the start. Basically, if you're short on free time this does not seem like a good MMO to dive into based on what I've experienced so far."

    That's the niche this game seems to be catering towards, those who aren't particularly short on free time. ;)

     So it is not the casual player base nor the hardcore long playing gamers, so the niche player would be...who?

    Don't we have enough threads arguing over which niche this game caters to already?   Suffice to say, there is a substantial niche of players that play and this game, to the point where the servers are still largely around 2000+ players some 6 1/2 days after the head s tart begun, even if you can't affix an easy and all-inclusive label to that niche.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Originally posted by seabeast


    Originally posted by geldonyetich


    Originally posted by colddog04

    I like this reviewer. He seems to be giving it a fair shake.

    For once, we're in agreement.  The Kotaku review-in-progress seems to be getting done by a guy who really prefers the more casual-friendly WoW approach, but this IGN reviewer seems to understand that these games don't need to do it WoW's way to be good:

    "nothing in this game is given to you without a catch, and everything takes a long time to do. It's not the type of game where you can simply speed to the good bits, but requires you put in the time fiddling with the interface and tracking down necessary components to accomplish more basic tasks. Of course this type of pacing is the case with higher level endeavors in any other MMO, but in FFXIV it's there from the start. Basically, if you're short on free time this does not seem like a good MMO to dive into based on what I've experienced so far."

    That's the niche this game seems to be catering towards, those who aren't particularly short on free time. ;)

     So it is not the casual player base nor the hardcore long playing gamers, so the niche player would be...who?

    Don't we have enough threads arguing over which niche this game caters to already?   Suffice to say, there is a substantial niche of players that play this game, even if you can't affix an easy and all-inclusive label to that niche.

    FFXIV niche = People that are willing to accept flaws more than the average player.

  • fyerwallfyerwall Member UncommonPosts: 3,240

    Originally posted by seabeast

    Originally posted by geldonyetich


    Originally posted by colddog04

    I like this reviewer. He seems to be giving it a fair shake.

    For once, we're in agreement.  The Kotaku review-in-progress seems to be getting done by a guy who really prefers the more casual-friendly WoW approach, but this IGN reviewer seems to understand that these games don't need to do it WoW's way to be good:

    "nothing in this game is given to you without a catch, and everything takes a long time to do. It's not the type of game where you can simply speed to the good bits, but requires you put in the time fiddling with the interface and tracking down necessary components to accomplish more basic tasks. Of course this type of pacing is the case with higher level endeavors in any other MMO, but in FFXIV it's there from the start. Basically, if you're short on free time this does not seem like a good MMO to dive into based on what I've experienced so far."

    That's the niche this game seems to be catering towards, those who aren't particularly short on free time. ;)

     So it is not the casual player base nor the hardcore long playing gamers, so the niche player would be...who?

    Don't ask, been trying to figure that one out all day long and it will only lead you to circular discussions and a migraine.

    As for the review it's pretty spot on with other reviews and opinions I've read so far. Let's see how it goes over the next few installments. 

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    2.) Those who watch things happen
    3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"


  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    Originally posted by colddog04

    FFXIV niche = People that are willing to accept flaws more than the average player.

    Petty much?

  • Colossus1979Colossus1979 Member Posts: 125

    Originally posted by cyphers

    oh, btw, nice find, the article. Didn't know game sites had already started with their reviews and impressions-pieces.

     

    i think that most of the people on here..the ones NOT playing the game, were too busy arguing to defile or defend the game to stop and type on a search screen "ign.com", but that's just me. image

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    Looking Forward To:DCU, SWTOR.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247

    Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

     




    Originally posted by Presbytier





    Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

     








    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.

    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.

    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.

     

    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!








     

    The trick to IGN is knowing how they grade games. A 7.7 from IGN is 5.2/10 for the rest of us (internally, IGN considers 7.3 a 5/10).






    That is asinine; nobody uses two rating systems like that and is just another inane "Video Game Conspiracy".



    Beh Beh Beh. http://kotaku.com/328244/gamespot-editor-fired-over-kane--lynch-review

    Sheeple.

    I couldn't find any reference to IGN's rating policy in that article. Also, IGN and Gamespot are two different companies... or are you saying that because this happened at one website, it's proof that all websites are like this, and anyone who doesn't believe you is a 'sheeple'?

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • katalysiskatalysis Member Posts: 51

    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

     




    Originally posted by Presbytier






    Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

     








    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.

    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.

    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.

     

    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!








     

    The trick to IGN is knowing how they grade games. A 7.7 from IGN is 5.2/10 for the rest of us (internally, IGN considers 7.3 a 5/10).







    That is asinine; nobody uses two rating systems like that and is just another inane "Video Game Conspiracy".




    Beh Beh Beh. http://kotaku.com/328244/gamespot-editor-fired-over-kane--lynch-review

    Sheeple.

    I couldn't find any reference to IGN's rating policy in that article. Also, IGN and Gamespot are two different companies... or are you saying that because this happened at one website, it's proof that all websites are like this, and anyone who doesn't believe you is a 'sheeple'?

    The sheeple was unnecessary, but the core of his message is sound. I think if you were trying to give a reasonable read to his riposte, you would understand that he is countering the assertion that, and I quote "That is asinine; nobody uses two rating systems like that and is just another inane Video Game Conspiracy." (emphasis mine.)

    I think a simpler example of this debate method will help you comprehend what just happened. Suppose person A says, "No one dies from heart attack." A reasonable riposte would be to provide the example of someone who indeed has died from a heart attack in order to demonstrate that there is indeed a probability >0 that someone can die from a heart attack.

    Let me know if you're still confused about what he was trying to say, and I'll try to be more instructive.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by katalysis

    Originally posted by Loktofeit


    Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

     




    Originally posted by Presbytier






    Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

     








    Originally posted by Miles-Prower

    IGN gave APB a 7.7, too, but I guess that doesn't mean much in the long run. Drop the period and that's roughly how many days APB lasted, lol.

    Yeah, I totally deflected that by introducing another, completely irrevelent game into the mix.

    No, but seriously. I'd rather wait for the full review. Right now the guy seems to be glued to his Rose-colored glasses.

     

    ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!








     

    The trick to IGN is knowing how they grade games. A 7.7 from IGN is 5.2/10 for the rest of us (internally, IGN considers 7.3 a 5/10).







    That is asinine; nobody uses two rating systems like that and is just another inane "Video Game Conspiracy".




    Beh Beh Beh. http://kotaku.com/328244/gamespot-editor-fired-over-kane--lynch-review

    Sheeple.

    I couldn't find any reference to IGN's rating policy in that article. Also, IGN and Gamespot are two different companies... or are you saying that because this happened at one website, it's proof that all websites are like this, and anyone who doesn't believe you is a 'sheeple'?

    I think if you were trying to give a reasonable read to his riposte, he is countering the assertion that, and I quote "That is asinine; nobody uses two rating systems like that and is just another inane Video Game Conspiracy." (emphasis mine.)

    I think a simpler example of this debate method will help you comprehend what just happened. Suppose person A says, "No one dies from heart attack." A reasonable riposte would be to provide the example of someone who indeed has died from a heart attack in order to demonstrate that there is indeed a probability >0 that someone can die from a heart attack.

    Let me know if you're still confused about what he was trying to say, and I'll try to be more instructive.

    Except that nowhere in the article does it say anything about 2 rating systems.

     

    Guy1: Companies have 2 rating systems. A secret one and a public one.

    Guy 2: No one does this. This is crazy talk.

    Guy 3: This link shows that game reviewers can be influenced.

     

    Me: WTF does that have to do with 2 rating systems?

     

     

    I think your example is pretty far off the mark.

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