VTM is not Camarilla vs Sabath. Thats just one of the suggest possible focus. Dont know what games you played, or what books you read, but Camarilla vs Sabath was never core setting, was never main theme, wasnt mandatory even. It was just a fraction of the possibilities.
There are Independents/Rebels. Inconnu. Caitiffs. Youngbloods. Hunters. Hundreds of Antagonists from other sub systems itself, for people like me, who managed to cross over the metaphysics of all subsystems.
Camarilla is not an unity in itself, the clans on it are not stale, they get in, get out, in every City by night its a different set up.
There is a reason the original world of darkness was a success and thats why it was chosen.
You have no idea what you are talking about
"vtm is just camarilla vs sabath" And to think I will have to listen to people like you for 2 years atleast.
Caitiff, if they dont butcher the rules of the pnp for long term balance.
Because Caitiffs buy disciplines cheaper then Clans buy outside of clan disciplines... and since all clans have 3 clan disciplines, after the three has been maxed out, all other non clan disciplines are expensive.
For Caitiffs, its more expensive to get disciplines than clan disciplines, but cheaper than "non clan" disciplines.
This mechanic itself, along side long term play time (many months to years) will safely determine the ability of Caitiffs to maximize many disciplines, faster and cheaper than any clan can in the long term.
Depending on what sorts of decisions they take on the game, perma-death for example, I might go with physical disciplines that give me more speed and more physical resistance/damage absorption.... and depending on wich activities generate more experience and value, I will pick the disciplines that best fit that.... obfuscation/domination if very well implemented, will rule for both pvp and pve.
If you go to books like: Archons and templars, chain's chosen, the blakc hand, cairo by night, Chidrean of the night, counsel of primogen, Elysium, the Black dog suplemnts like the Giovanni chronicles and dark ages Transylvannia chroinicles, Kindread most wanted, Guide to the camarilla, guide to the sabbat etc etc etc
You see a strong theme about the OFFICAL fractions in Vampire the masqurade, and that my friend is: sabbat vs the Camarilla.
Now if we were playing the Roleplaying game we could make up whatever we want and use any source material that white wolf have given out. BUT if we are making a VIDEO GAME dont you think that the core fetures that a devopment company will be looking for is something that is more black and white and less grey?
MY fear is that if they use vampire the masqurade they will do a split betwen the clans just like it is in vampire the masqurade. In the RP setting we have the anttitrubue(speeling this wrong but if you are familiar with the setting you know what i mean) and the anarch the inconnu etc etc... But I hardly think a developent company even if its CCP will have the manpower or the time to delve into every possible subbplot that we as players of the RPG could come up with.
Now im not some noobish RPGer I have been doing this for the past 20 years, And i know there is a hell of alot more to the orginal vampire setting But if you look at the CORE, and that is what an MMO company like CCP will do, they will probably not spend hours constructing minor subbplots etc. EVE isent known for its great PVE aspect now is it???
If you then compare Requiem to the masqurade you suddenly discover that it actually alot more open. I know there where a bunch of people complaining about it in the beginning but most who have tried it have come to understand that it is the Superior product. Now you might be one of those that is clinging to the old system, thinking it was better etc, and well that is up to you. But those of us that have moved on from the HEAVY META PLOT THAT WAS THE MASQURADE. have come to understand that REQUIEM IS 100% better. AND I WOULD MUCH RATHER PREFER IF THEY MADE THE GAME AFTER THE REQUIEM INSTEAD OF THE MASQURADE.
We can argue things all nigth and you probably wont change your mind. But my experince with the MASQURADE if you play those chronicles that White wolf made like for example, the TRANSYLVANIAN CHRONICLES and the GIOVANNI Chronicles, and if you go though those books I mentioned in the beginning. That we have a strong Camarilla vs sabbath feel. Now its not all black and white I know but we are not sitting at your personal gaming table now are we? so if CCP is going to construct the game after the MASQURADE do you not think they would like to make it as ESY as possible for new people to get into the setting?? Would not the Obvious choise be to Include the Camarilla and the Sabbat in the online setting?? And wouldent you as say a newly created Ventru be a member of the Camarilla?? you could be alot of other things but keep in mind that if you have 100 choises starting out it will get confusing in an ONLINE game for people who are not Lore buffs.
So the only conclusion I can draw for them picking the MASQURADE is that they want some kind of two Fraction thing that we have been seeing in most MMOS after World of Warcrafts Release. And as Requiem dosent suport this they are using the MASQURADE instead.
Ask yourself this question if you were making an MMO based of your RPG products WOULDENT YOU MAKE IT AFTER THE CURRENT PRODUCT LINE that you have in stores?? Because people that start playing the MMO might actually start playing the RPG games also? So what is the MARKET STRATEGI by using an outdated product? The only thing I can think of is that they Want to use the FRACTION SYSTEM that is part of the MASQURADE setting and that is not a part of the REQUIEM.
Now Im swedish and english is not my main language and sometimes I have a hard time getting what I want to say across. People keep missunderstanding.
My concern is only that they are caving into the pressure of making jet another Clone with a fraction system. And where Requiem has NO Fractions at all that hate one another to death. MASQURADE is full of it, its boiling over actually... so im ASKING WHY ARE THEY USING IT? the logical thing would be to use REQUIEM as then they might get some extra sales on the RPG line. But instead they are goin with the masqurade?? I dont get it, and that worries me alot...
head over to white wolfs forums and cheak out what people are saying there( many actaully think its great they are using the heavy meta ploted masqurade but most look to perfer the Requiem when they play the RPG) And that is if you are making a THEMEPARK... the masqurade would be exellent OFC... But for a SANDBOX the Requiem would be ten thousand times better.
To clarify for those at the beginnign saying they didn't want to join premade factions.
Clans are not factions in VtM. They are blood. Think of it as an undead family. If a Nosferatu sires you, you are a Nosferatu. You become an ugly sewer rat. That, you will have no choice about - you choose a Clan.
The choice theoretically, would come in with which factions to choose. Are you a "law abiding" Camarilla suit that wants to hide from humanity? Or are you a crazy Sabbat? Or one of the other factions? Or do you not give a shit?
I love most of the independent clans (Ravnos, Assamite, Setite) etc. I would be surprised if they allowed us to play those out of the gate, I imagine they would be restricted to the Camarilla (caution: pure speculation!). As far as Camarilla clans go, my favorite are the Ventrue and Malkavian.
I look forward to the opportunity to make engaging conversation with a stop sign (points if you get the reference!).
Vampire the Masquerade, by chance? I love, love, loved those games, but Bloodlines was (and still is) my very favorite vampire ANYTHING.
Bloodlines. If you play a Malkavian she'll try to talk to the stop signs.
I love most of the independent clans (Ravnos, Assamite, Setite) etc. I would be surprised if they allowed us to play those out of the gate, I imagine they would be restricted to the Camarilla (caution: pure speculation!). As far as Camarilla clans go, my favorite are the Ventrue and Malkavian.
I look forward to the opportunity to make engaging conversation with a stop sign (points if you get the reference!).
Vampire the Masquerade, by chance? I love, love, loved those games, but Bloodlines was (and still is) my very favorite vampire ANYTHING.
Bloodlines. If you play a Malkavian she'll try to talk to the stop signs.
As a Malkavian the anchorman on the nightly news will sometimes talk to you.
I loved playing a Malkavian in that game, but I recommend doing it on your second playthrough. The Malkavian's speech options are all nutty and insane, but if you've already beaten the game and know the details alot of it is true or refers to other things in the game that your character wouldn't know about.
I love most of the independent clans (Ravnos, Assamite, Setite) etc. I would be surprised if they allowed us to play those out of the gate, I imagine they would be restricted to the Camarilla (caution: pure speculation!). As far as Camarilla clans go, my favorite are the Ventrue and Malkavian.
I look forward to the opportunity to make engaging conversation with a stop sign (points if you get the reference!).
Vampire the Masquerade, by chance? I love, love, loved those games, but Bloodlines was (and still is) my very favorite vampire ANYTHING.
Bloodlines. If you play a Malkavian she'll try to talk to the stop signs.
Wow, from reading the posts in this thread and getting a better idea of the lore behind WoD... I find it odd that CCP would have chosen this IP to base an MMO on.
So limited, so pre-scripted, so formulaic.
Honestly, I couldn't care less about the IP or what world it's even going to be similar to. I am just really hoping for a AAA quality Sandbox. We have no seen a triple A sandbox title since UO. CCP now has the funds to produce a true triple A game from the ground up.
But, CCP are sandbox gamers at heart and I honestly hope and think that alot of people in this thread will be severely pissed off at the final WoD product.
yeah i agree. With the set clans and what not, i wonder how CCP is going to develop this game. I wonder where the sov warfare comes into the equation with all these pre made clans, i hope they use the clans as more of a background like in eve with caldari and etc.
I think the most interesting thing about this game will be the fan's reactions towards what CCP develops. I'm curious if the people want to be in these clans in-game or if they just like the background of them. The people who perfer the former i think will be very disapointed.
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So if this is just "vampire" then I am assuming there will be no day and night cycles or are they going to massacre the true vampire lore like twilight?
Originally posted by Asheram So if this is just "vampire" then I am assuming there will be no day and night cycles or are they going to massacre the true vampire lore like twilight?
World of Darkness Lore is a little different than the traditional vampire lore. However, it doesn't cheapen vampires into a product to be consumed like twilight and vampire diary. WoD takes the catholic church stuff out of a lot of the old European fairly tale monsters they use in their world.
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So if this is just "vampire" then I am assuming there will be no day and night cycles or are they going to massacre the true vampire lore like twilight?
World of Darkness Lore is a little different than the traditional vampire lore. However, it doesn't cheapen vampires into a product to be consumed like twilight and vampire diary. WoD takes the catholic church stuff out of a lot of the old European fairly tale monsters they use in their world.
Please, never use the words "twilight" and "vampire diary" on the same sentence or near the word
A developer firm with large PR budget spawning lots of advertisements, big name MMO titles and large development budgets announce they will basically destroy the NWN title and not a single person thinks otherwise.
A developer who has always struggled with the gaming industry review world, uses adverting sparingly and in general keeps quite has created one of the most successful MMO’s ever and now has announces a new game and the excitement is in the air again.
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Like others have said, your clan is basically your character race. I actually favor Requiem over the Masquerade due to the faction breakdown, but I love the Sabbat, and when it comes to Werewolves and Mages, I prefer the OWOD over the NWOD.
Assuming that Vamps will be the only playable genre at launch, I am going either Tzimisce or Lasombra. The former clan is so utterly alien and Darwinian that they push the boundaries of brutality, while the latter is basically Ventrue's badass cousin, and happens to be the clan of my most successful LARP character (and it was a real meat grinder LARP... reaching 50 exp was godly). If Sabbat is not playable, I will have to settle for a Nos Anarch
When mages and Werewolves join the fray, I will probably roll Red Talon tribe. Shh... they are suspected of eating (burp) humans.
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Not to burst anyones bubble here but isn't the game based of the New World of Darkness ... so it will use clans from the shitastic Requiem (tabletop) not the Masquerade (or the previous video games).... So thus most of those clans don't exist and the ones that do are vastly different.
Yes for some jackass reason White Wolf completely destroyed their built up awesome lore and game and redid it, sort of like New Coke back in the 80's I am still waiting for them to realize their new stuff just isn't nearly as good and go back to the classic.
Not to burst anyones bubble here but isn't the game based of the New World of Darkness ... so it will use clans from the shitastic Requiem (tabletop) not the Masquerade (or the previous video games).... So thus most of those clans don't exist and the ones that do are vastly different.
Yes for some jackass reason White Wolf completely destroyed their built up awesome lore and game and redid it, sort of like New Coke back in the 80's I am still waiting for them to realize their new stuff just isn't nearly as good and go back to the classic.
WoD has been definitely confirmed by White Wolf/CCP to be based on Masquerade, not Requiem.
Not to burst anyones bubble here but isn't the game based of the New World of Darkness ... so it will use clans from the shitastic Requiem (tabletop) not the Masquerade (or the previous video games).... So thus most of those clans don't exist and the ones that do are vastly different.
Yes for some jackass reason White Wolf completely destroyed their built up awesome lore and game and redid it, sort of like New Coke back in the 80's I am still waiting for them to realize their new stuff just isn't nearly as good and go back to the classic.
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Mulkavian first and foremost, to hopefully play out my very first Character in my very first V:tM game back in 92. Others of interest are Brujah, and Ravnos.
Hopefully Werewolves and Mages join in eventually, when/if Werewolves do my first choice there will be Windego or Glasswalker. Polar opposites but 2 of my favorites.
Lol they put it in the spotlight and I think it dies. It will be interesting to see what clans they actually include. It is probably a given they will have the main clans, but it would be interesting if they add some minor, or rarer clans for some reason. (ie. they might not be so rare in the city they choose) I would also like to see how close to the Apocalypse we are, and if we will be on a collision course with destiny sometime in the future of the game. Which would be interesting if they did that, no major MMO has.
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When so little has been posted about this game why post something ridiculous like this? No one even knows if these clans will exist let alone be joinable.
Just felt like making a silly poll? Most of us will wait until more information is available.
After 10+ years of running VtM, I learned to dread most people saying they wanted to be Malkavians. Not because the clan is bad, but because most people consider "clinically insane" just about the same thing as the Animaniacs, and an excuse to prance around in a pink bunny costume and be disruptive. And, I will point out, nothing in the world limits the pink bunny suit prancing to the Malkavians.
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If you go to books like: Archons and templars, chain's chosen, the blakc hand, cairo by night, Chidrean of the night, counsel of primogen, Elysium, the Black dog suplemnts like the Giovanni chronicles and dark ages Transylvannia chroinicles, Kindread most wanted, Guide to the camarilla, guide to the sabbat etc etc etc
You see a strong theme about the OFFICAL fractions in Vampire the masqurade, and that my friend is: sabbat vs the Camarilla.
Now if we were playing the Roleplaying game we could make up whatever we want and use any source material that white wolf have given out. BUT if we are making a VIDEO GAME dont you think that the core fetures that a devopment company will be looking for is something that is more black and white and less grey?
MY fear is that if they use vampire the masqurade they will do a split betwen the clans just like it is in vampire the masqurade. In the RP setting we have the anttitrubue(speeling this wrong but if you are familiar with the setting you know what i mean) and the anarch the inconnu etc etc... But I hardly think a developent company even if its CCP will have the manpower or the time to delve into every possible subbplot that we as players of the RPG could come up with.
Now im not some noobish RPGer I have been doing this for the past 20 years, And i know there is a hell of alot more to the orginal vampire setting But if you look at the CORE, and that is what an MMO company like CCP will do, they will probably not spend hours constructing minor subbplots etc. EVE isent known for its great PVE aspect now is it???
If you then compare Requiem to the masqurade you suddenly discover that it actually alot more open. I know there where a bunch of people complaining about it in the beginning but most who have tried it have come to understand that it is the Superior product. Now you might be one of those that is clinging to the old system, thinking it was better etc, and well that is up to you. But those of us that have moved on from the HEAVY META PLOT THAT WAS THE MASQURADE. have come to understand that REQUIEM IS 100% better. AND I WOULD MUCH RATHER PREFER IF THEY MADE THE GAME AFTER THE REQUIEM INSTEAD OF THE MASQURADE.
We can argue things all nigth and you probably wont change your mind. But my experince with the MASQURADE if you play those chronicles that White wolf made like for example, the TRANSYLVANIAN CHRONICLES and the GIOVANNI Chronicles, and if you go though those books I mentioned in the beginning. That we have a strong Camarilla vs sabbath feel. Now its not all black and white I know but we are not sitting at your personal gaming table now are we? so if CCP is going to construct the game after the MASQURADE do you not think they would like to make it as ESY as possible for new people to get into the setting?? Would not the Obvious choise be to Include the Camarilla and the Sabbat in the online setting?? And wouldent you as say a newly created Ventru be a member of the Camarilla?? you could be alot of other things but keep in mind that if you have 100 choises starting out it will get confusing in an ONLINE game for people who are not Lore buffs.
So the only conclusion I can draw for them picking the MASQURADE is that they want some kind of two Fraction thing that we have been seeing in most MMOS after World of Warcrafts Release. And as Requiem dosent suport this they are using the MASQURADE instead.
Ask yourself this question if you were making an MMO based of your RPG products WOULDENT YOU MAKE IT AFTER THE CURRENT PRODUCT LINE that you have in stores?? Because people that start playing the MMO might actually start playing the RPG games also? So what is the MARKET STRATEGI by using an outdated product? The only thing I can think of is that they Want to use the FRACTION SYSTEM that is part of the MASQURADE setting and that is not a part of the REQUIEM.
Now Im swedish and english is not my main language and sometimes I have a hard time getting what I want to say across. People keep missunderstanding.
My concern is only that they are caving into the pressure of making jet another Clone with a fraction system. And where Requiem has NO Fractions at all that hate one another to death. MASQURADE is full of it, its boiling over actually... so im ASKING WHY ARE THEY USING IT? the logical thing would be to use REQUIEM as then they might get some extra sales on the RPG line. But instead they are goin with the masqurade?? I dont get it, and that worries me alot...
head over to white wolfs forums and cheak out what people are saying there( many actaully think its great they are using the heavy meta ploted masqurade but most look to perfer the Requiem when they play the RPG) And that is if you are making a THEMEPARK... the masqurade would be exellent OFC... But for a SANDBOX the Requiem would be ten thousand times better.
http://forums.white-wolf.com/cs/forums/t/36456.aspx
To clarify for those at the beginnign saying they didn't want to join premade factions.
Clans are not factions in VtM. They are blood. Think of it as an undead family. If a Nosferatu sires you, you are a Nosferatu. You become an ugly sewer rat. That, you will have no choice about - you choose a Clan.
The choice theoretically, would come in with which factions to choose. Are you a "law abiding" Camarilla suit that wants to hide from humanity? Or are you a crazy Sabbat? Or one of the other factions? Or do you not give a shit?
Bloodlines. If you play a Malkavian she'll try to talk to the stop signs.
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As a Malkavian the anchorman on the nightly news will sometimes talk to you.
I loved playing a Malkavian in that game, but I recommend doing it on your second playthrough. The Malkavian's speech options are all nutty and insane, but if you've already beaten the game and know the details alot of it is true or refers to other things in the game that your character wouldn't know about.
I was right then....so do I get a prize or just "points?" And what do my points apply to now? lol
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I am shocked no one has mentioned the Giovanni as a clan they would play. Why no love for the necromancer necrophiliac incestial mobsters?
For the moment, my most likely choice is Toreador.
At least thats what I ended up playing in VtMB - very good social skills, and very good combat skills.
Of course, I guess you can play multiple characters, so I'm going to have other clans as well.
Malkavian, Nosferatu and Tremere are no-brainers in that respect.
Tzimisce might be interesting too, depending upon how they are implemented - I think its quite hard to implement them well.
yeah i agree. With the set clans and what not, i wonder how CCP is going to develop this game. I wonder where the sov warfare comes into the equation with all these pre made clans, i hope they use the clans as more of a background like in eve with caldari and etc.
I think the most interesting thing about this game will be the fan's reactions towards what CCP develops. I'm curious if the people want to be in these clans in-game or if they just like the background of them. The people who perfer the former i think will be very disapointed.
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Malkavian if at all possible.
Nothing else will do.
So if this is just "vampire" then I am assuming there will be no day and night cycles or are they going to massacre the true vampire lore like twilight?
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Please, never use the words "twilight" and "vampire diary" on the same sentence or near the word
Vampire : Masquerade.
I chose Malkavian as my favourite PnP char is a Malk child vampire on a rampage.
But reading this thread, I fear there might be too many people running around acting crazy and being silly.
something intresting I have noticed here.
A developer firm with large PR budget spawning lots of advertisements, big name MMO titles and large development budgets announce they will basically destroy the NWN title and not a single person thinks otherwise.
A developer who has always struggled with the gaming industry review world, uses adverting sparingly and in general keeps quite has created one of the most successful MMO’s ever and now has announces a new game and the excitement is in the air again.
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Like others have said, your clan is basically your character race. I actually favor Requiem over the Masquerade due to the faction breakdown, but I love the Sabbat, and when it comes to Werewolves and Mages, I prefer the OWOD over the NWOD.
Assuming that Vamps will be the only playable genre at launch, I am going either Tzimisce or Lasombra. The former clan is so utterly alien and Darwinian that they push the boundaries of brutality, while the latter is basically Ventrue's badass cousin, and happens to be the clan of my most successful LARP character (and it was a real meat grinder LARP... reaching 50 exp was godly). If Sabbat is not playable, I will have to settle for a Nos Anarch
When mages and Werewolves join the fray, I will probably roll Red Talon tribe. Shh... they are suspected of eating (burp) humans.
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As far as I know, there aren't any MMOs out there that let you create your own race...
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Not to burst anyones bubble here but isn't the game based of the New World of Darkness ... so it will use clans from the shitastic Requiem (tabletop) not the Masquerade (or the previous video games).... So thus most of those clans don't exist and the ones that do are vastly different.
Yes for some jackass reason White Wolf completely destroyed their built up awesome lore and game and redid it, sort of like New Coke back in the 80's I am still waiting for them to realize their new stuff just isn't nearly as good and go back to the classic.
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WoD has been definitely confirmed by White Wolf/CCP to be based on Masquerade, not Requiem.
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"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Mulkavian first and foremost, to hopefully play out my very first Character in my very first V:tM game back in 92. Others of interest are Brujah, and Ravnos.
Hopefully Werewolves and Mages join in eventually, when/if Werewolves do my first choice there will be Windego or Glasswalker. Polar opposites but 2 of my favorites.
Lol they put it in the spotlight and I think it dies.
It will be interesting to see what clans they actually include. It is probably a given they will have the main clans, but it would be interesting if they add some minor, or rarer clans for some reason. (ie. they might not be so rare in the city they choose)
I would also like to see how close to the Apocalypse we are, and if we will be on a collision course with destiny sometime in the future of the game. Which would be interesting if they did that, no major MMO has.
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When so little has been posted about this game why post something ridiculous like this? No one even knows if these clans will exist let alone be joinable.
Just felt like making a silly poll? Most of us will wait until more information is available.
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After 10+ years of running VtM, I learned to dread most people saying they wanted to be Malkavians. Not because the clan is bad, but because most people consider "clinically insane" just about the same thing as the Animaniacs, and an excuse to prance around in a pink bunny costume and be disruptive. And, I will point out, nothing in the world limits the pink bunny suit prancing to the Malkavians.
Nothing.
>.>
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It'd be interesting if they allow Caitiff, also.
And perhaps if Tzimisce are in we'll get a creature builder menu for fleshcrafting like in Spore :P