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First week and 29% off on Amazon Japan.

WiezardWiezard Member Posts: 158

96 customer reviews with 1 and half star rating. Its quite clear that Japanese hate this game even more then western players. In west the user rating is still hovering around 4 to 5 /10.

This got to be some kind of record for MMO to start offering 30% off in first week? or i am wrong and worse has happened?

 

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/switch-language/product/B002C4KLEC/ref=dp_change_lang?ie=UTF8&language=en_JP

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  • WiezardWiezard Member Posts: 158

    Originally posted by Robokapp

    this is where fanboys call it market strategy, haters call it failure and I ask "How long until the first Welcome Back weekend?".

     

    japan gave it 3/10 and west gave it 4/10. This tells me it won't make it to console release. I mean the software might, the "massive multiplayer" part won't. it'll be just "multiplayer".

    Lets say its a market strategy but isn't it too soon? i mean first free 30 days are not even over and price is down by 29%? imagine what will happen after first month.

  • end0rphineend0rphine Member Posts: 18

    Originally posted by Wiezard

    Originally posted by Robokapp

    this is where fanboys call it market strategy, haters call it failure and I ask "How long until the first Welcome Back weekend?".

     

    japan gave it 3/10 and west gave it 4/10. This tells me it won't make it to console release. I mean the software might, the "massive multiplayer" part won't. it'll be just "multiplayer".

    Lets say its a market strategy but isn't it too soon? i mean first free 30 days are not even over and price is down by 29%? imagine what will happen after first month.

    F2P?

  • BesttheiswowBesttheiswow Member Posts: 301

    lololol and still mmorpg developers dont get it..they keep releasing horribad games, ff14 is not the first and its not the last...this one almost beats Mortal online...

  • Clubmaster22Clubmaster22 Member Posts: 279

    i'm starting to think that i actually didn't overexagerate when i predicted that the game will be dead in a year. If even their core audience that they actually care about hate this game so much, there's not much hope. But after eight years of making money with crap-games SE really deserve a slap in the face.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    *Sigh* Another title down the drain because they released it way too early.

    When will they learn?

  • WiezardWiezard Member Posts: 158

    Originally posted by Clubmaster22

    i'm starting to think that i actually didn't overexagerate when i predicted that the game will be dead in a year. If even their core audience that they actually care about hate this game so much, there's not much hope. But after eight years of making money with crap-games SE really deserve a slap in the face.

    I guess the excuse 'it was made for Asian gamers' won't fly anymore?

  • farginwarfarginwar Member Posts: 134

    Originally posted by Loke666

    *Sigh* Another title down the drain because they released it way too early.

    When will they learn?

    About the time they are sitting curbside watching the repo men take away all their office equipment. Which is sadly far too late to do any of us any bloody good.

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    If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, riddle 'em with bullets

  • SelpharesSelphares Member Posts: 430

    Hm interresting, nearly as interresting which people are always drawn to a thread like that. But I say it is not enough first when we Burn down the headquarters from SE and they crawl before as like worms in the mud we will show our gratitude and forgive them. Oh  ok at least when they pay to anyone from us  1 Million for all the effort and constructive work we did on this  forum full of buisness experts and engine develoeprs and professional game designers... oh wait...

     

    Honestly do people have in this forum have a kind of ill desire for desaster and misery?

  • WiezardWiezard Member Posts: 158

    Originally posted by Selphares

    Hm interresting, nearly as interresting which people are always drawn to a thread like that. But I say it is not enough first when we Burn down the headquarters from SE and they crawl before as like worms in the mud we will show our gratitude and forgive them. Oh  ok at least when they pay to anyone from us  1 Million for all the effort and constructive work we did on this  forum full of buisness experts and engine develoeprs and professional game designers... oh wait...

     

    Honestly do people have in this forum have a kind of ill desire for desaster and misery?

    Just stating the facts thats out there buddy. Not making anything up. If it bothers you to read the truth you can ignore it. But when a game is being hammered by both asian and western gamers it says a lot about quality of product. Consumer reviews matter a lot.

  • EmhsterEmhster Member UncommonPosts: 913

    Ouch 76/96 reviews are 1-star, which gives a user rating of 1.5/5... And that poor guy trying to resell a used copy for barely ?50 less than the new retail price  :S

  • fyerwallfyerwall Member UncommonPosts: 3,240

    Originally posted by Emhster

    Ouch 76/96 reviews are 1-star, which gives a user rating of 1.5/5... And that poor guy trying to resell a used copy for barely ?50 less than the new retail price  :S

    Reading the comments is fun :)

    It might be due to the translator, but they seem even more pissed than a lot of the NA/EU players.

    But who knows, maybe someone should tell them the game wasn't meant for them  /sarcasm

    There are 3 types of people in the world.
    1.) Those who make things happen
    2.) Those who watch things happen
    3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"


  • SelpharesSelphares Member Posts: 430

    Oh nothing wrong about number and facts and interpretation of these. I talk more about the general mood that some people have that said tehy are totally not interrested in the game and totally not like the game but are not tired to post since weeks over and over again doomsday in a forum about a game that is totally abd and are not interrested in.

    I personally like the game and as long they not instantly shout down the servers, I can live with the fact that considering the Amazon reviews find

    around 12 from 100 people the game pretty good. So not mich worries from my side. Let us say we sold 1 Million copies that would elave still 100.000 Players. Anyway this just as a sidenote.

    That said is the general rating by amazon that short after release a bit hard to use. Special since I can not read japanese and do not know about what they complain.

    However let us just say they are all accurate and most people not like the game, it is actually nothing new around this forumand I can live with that as long the game runs while I have fun.

    It anyway still not explains how some people seem to get joy out of it to be constantly the doomsayer and  say over and over that I should dislike the game and well get a rush of joy when they find a bad review.  It feels like it is a kind of ill enjoyment for these  people  and  that is just  disgusting.

     

  • IkedaIkeda Member RarePosts: 2,751

    It's not ILL-desire.  I LOVE the idea but way they pulled it off was disappointing.  The FIRST comment I heard about as soon as they went into Closed Beta was the silly mouse issue.  Then the Alt-Tab issue.  I'm well aware the community found work arounds but the reason it was the community was because the devlopers IGNORED the requests for so long.  Then you have issues like the Chocobo Stables being there but non-functional.  You have a world where in order to get items you have to craft/buy every single step but then don't reinforce that with a functional auction house.  Rather you have to run from player vendor to player vendor looking for ANY items you or your group cannot themselves produce.  I think at the end of the day FFXIV took a GOOD launch date and just mangled it.  The product is not finished.  I am very much of the crowd that DESPERATELY hopes these items will be rectified in time for the PS3 launch in March.  If it is fixed then I may consider retrying it.  If not, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.  :-P

  • SelpharesSelphares Member Posts: 430

    Originally posted by Robokapp

    Honestly do people have in this forum have a kind of ill desire for desaster and misery?

     yes. it's a nazi-like feeling that the current sub-par mmo's need to die in order for the playerbase to be able to fully be entertained by the new MMOs that are about quality first.

    Not consciously, I don't think many of us embrace fascism, but at some ideological level we all want to send a clear message to game developers:

     

    "stop feeding us shit".

     

    and that can only happen by voting with your wallet. so we want the sub-par present MMOs to die and the developers to watch them die.

     

    I'm not sure how to word it to sound almost 'normal human behavior' and not ill like you said. But yes, a desire for disaster and misery DOES EXIST. And it's justified. We've seen what happens when we're naive and optimistic. now we're trying the other extreme.

    Ah first niow saw that posting and calmed some down about general human behavior. Maaybe I just like the game or I peopel can do better than that but the problem is lot that complain ehre not even have the game. This whole forum actually just feels like a bloody mob filled with trolls. :)

  • EmhsterEmhster Member UncommonPosts: 913

    Originally posted by Selphares

    That said is the general rating by amazon that short after release a bit hard to use. Special since I can not read japanese and do not know about what they complain.

    Not that I like to feed on misery, but I used Google Translate and it was entertaining... "Burezu preferred shareholders, Mr. Wada disturb the position of President of user neglect." image

     

    I can save you some times by posting this link here.

  • fyerwallfyerwall Member UncommonPosts: 3,240

    Originally posted by Ikeda

    It's not ILL-desire.  I LOVE the idea but way they pulled it off was disappointing.  The FIRST comment I heard about as soon as they went into Closed Beta was the silly mouse issue.  Then the Alt-Tab issue.  I'm well aware the community found work arounds but the reason it was the community was because the devlopers IGNORED the requests for so long.  Then you have issues like the Chocobo Stables being there but non-functional.  You have a world where in order to get items you have to craft/buy every single step but then don't reinforce that with a functional auction house.  Rather you have to run from player vendor to player vendor looking for ANY items you or your group cannot themselves produce.  I think at the end of the day FFXIV took a GOOD launch date and just mangled it.  The product is not finished.  I am very much of the crowd that DESPERATELY hopes these items will be rectified in time for the PS3 launch in March.  If it is fixed then I may consider retrying it.  If not, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.  :-P

    Aye.

    FFXIV beta felt a LOT like the AoC beta to me.

    Testers would constantly pick up on and point out flaws and issues and nothing was done about it. More patches were released and nothing complained about was fixed. And it continued straight through open beta. Finally just before launch they announced the hardware mouse fix... and that was about it.

    Now the game is released, people are angry and things that were brought up in beta are just now getting looked at by the devs.

    The only difference between the FFXIV beta and the AoC beta is that the devs at SE didn't flame the testers for pointing out problems... they just flat out ignored them.

    There are 3 types of people in the world.
    1.) Those who make things happen
    2.) Those who watch things happen
    3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"


  • DrGreenbacksDrGreenbacks Member Posts: 214

    Originally posted by Selphares

    Originally posted by Robokapp

    Honestly do people have in this forum have a kind of ill desire for desaster and misery?

     yes. it's a nazi-like feeling that the current sub-par mmo's need to die in order for the playerbase to be able to fully be entertained by the new MMOs that are about quality first.

    Not consciously, I don't think many of us embrace fascism, but at some ideological level we all want to send a clear message to game developers:

     

    "stop feeding us shit".

     

    and that can only happen by voting with your wallet. so we want the sub-par present MMOs to die and the developers to watch them die.

     

    I'm not sure how to word it to sound almost 'normal human behavior' and not ill like you said. But yes, a desire for disaster and misery DOES EXIST. And it's justified. We've seen what happens when we're naive and optimistic. now we're trying the other extreme.

    Ah first niow saw that posting and calmed some down about general human behavior. Maaybe I just like the game or I peopel can do better than that but the problem is lot that complain ehre not even have the game. This whole forum actually just feels like a bloody mob filled with trolls. :)

    Gamers are tired of the poor quality of MMO's being released. There has been a series of really poor releases. This was supposed to be different, it's a high profile franchise, that's why we are all upset.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775

    Originally posted by Selphares

    Originally posted by Robokapp

    Honestly do people have in this forum have a kind of ill desire for desaster and misery?

     yes. it's a nazi-like feeling that the current sub-par mmo's need to die in order for the playerbase to be able to fully be entertained by the new MMOs that are about quality first.

    Not consciously, I don't think many of us embrace fascism, but at some ideological level we all want to send a clear message to game developers:

     

    "stop feeding us shit".

     

    and that can only happen by voting with your wallet. so we want the sub-par present MMOs to die and the developers to watch them die.

     

    I'm not sure how to word it to sound almost 'normal human behavior' and not ill like you said. But yes, a desire for disaster and misery DOES EXIST. And it's justified. We've seen what happens when we're naive and optimistic. now we're trying the other extreme.

    Ah first niow saw that posting and calmed some down about general human behavior. Maaybe I just like the game or I peopel can do better than that but the problem is lot that complain ehre not even have the game. This whole forum actually just feels like a bloody mob filled with trolls. :)

    The sad thing though is that comments like these exist on pretty much every forum discussing FFXIV for the most part. 

    You may have had a point if it were just those at MMORPG.com expressing such a negative view on FFXIV. 

  • LohdownLohdown Member UncommonPosts: 78

    Oh man. Are all of you really that dense on how business works?  You are making assumptions that because a game goes on sale, that the game has to be failing.  Square Enix does not set the retail price.  Square Enix recommends a retail price.  Square Enix sells their games to Amazon at wholesale prices, and I can almost guarentee you that SE doesn't take returns unless the game is damaged.  Amazon is free to sell the game at whatever price they want, even if that means selling it at a lose just to move inventory.

    A retailer selling something on sale is not indcative of the popularity of that product.  It is simply an issue of the retailer having too much stock on hand that they want to move out of their inventory.  The goal of a retailer is to not have inventory, not to let it sit on shelves.  This in no way means that game is not selling, it just means the game is not selling fast enough for Amazon Japan based on the quantity they purchased.  As an example and not using real numbers, they may have bought 1.25 million copies from SE but only sold 1 million.  Would you say 1 million is a failure?  Probably not, but the fact remains that Amazon still has an additional 250,000 copies sitting on there shelves tieing up their money that can be used to buy other items that they in turn will sell for profit.

    The moment I read "It's like" or "WoW" is the moment I stop reading your post.

  • WiezardWiezard Member Posts: 158

    Originally posted by Lohdown

    Oh man. Are all of you really that dense on how business works?  You are making assumptions that because a game goes on sale, that the game has to be failing.  Square Enix does not set the retail price.  Square Enix recommends a retail price.  Square Enix sells their games to Amazon at wholesale prices, and I can almost guarentee you that SE doesn't take returns unless the game is damaged.  Amazon is free to sell the game at whatever price they want, even if that means selling it at a lose just to move inventory.

    A retailer selling something on sale is not indcative of the popularity of that product.  It is simply an issue of the retailer having too much stock on hand that they want to move out of their inventory.  The goal of a retailer is to not have inventory, not to let it sit on shelves.  This in no way means that game is not selling, it just means the game is not selling fast enough for Amazon Japan based on the quantity they purchased.  As an example and not using real numbers, they may have bought 1.25 million copies from SE but only sold 1 million.  Would you say 1 million is a failure?  Probably not, but the fact remains that Amazon still has an additional 250,000 copies sitting on there shelves tieing up their money that can be used to buy other items that they in turn will sell for profit.

    Even if you are right this is more to discuss quality of FFXIV and consumers reaction to it. 1 and half star rating says it all i guess. And if FFXIV was really that good Amazon won't worry about getting rid of the extra copies within first week of month. Maybe after 30 days but not this early.

  • DrGreenbacksDrGreenbacks Member Posts: 214

    Originally posted by Lohdown

    Oh man. Are all of you really that dense on how business works?  You are making assumptions that because a game goes on sale, that the game has to be failing.  Square Enix does not set the retail price.  Square Enix recommends a retail price.  Square Enix sells their games to Amazon at wholesale prices, and I can almost guarentee you that SE doesn't take returns unless the game is damaged.  Amazon is free to sell the game at whatever price they want, even if that means selling it at a lose just to move inventory.

    A retailer selling something on sale is not indcative of the popularity of that product.  It is simply an issue of the retailer having too much stock on hand that they want to move out of their inventory.  The goal of a retailer is to not have inventory, not to let it sit on shelves.  This in no way means that game is not selling, it just means the game is not selling fast enough for Amazon Japan based on the quantity they purchased.  As an example and not using real numbers, they may have bought 1.25 million copies from SE but only sold 1 million.  Would you say 1 million is a failure?  Probably not, but the fact remains that Amazon still has an additional 250,000 copies sitting on there shelves tieing up their money that can be used to buy other items that they in turn will sell for profit.

    I've asked for a refund. The game is damaged.

  • justandulasjustandulas Member Posts: 165

    Originally posted by Robokapp

    this is the real concern imo:

     

    at release of a new and anticipated title, hype is high. everyone' having fun first few weeks. It's that brand-new smell.

     

    but if ratings are so bad and prices are already cutting WHILE in this brand-new (and usually somewhat tolerant to bugs and problems) atmosphere, then when the novelty is gone, things are only going to get worst. It may turn out great, but i have nothing to base such an assumption on.

     

    for me the current indicators clearly point downwards.

     Tough to see them turning it around when they ignored the community and released such an unfinished product. Unlike some of the trolls on the forums, I actually bought FF and truly desperately wanted to like it. I had to force myself to log in the last week just as a punishment to myself for investing in SE. I don't see them turning it around, especially since the good people of japan stood up and said "enough is enough with bad releases!" I think SE is truly showing their age, I thought FF 13 was just a freak accident by them but now I understand that time has passed them by. They are still developing games like it is the turn of the century, well its 2010 and SE hasn't got the memo. I think the reviews are very on point, the game gets a nod for its tremendously beautiful graphics but the combat, the crafting, the gear, the exploring, the questing, everything is just so f'nin boring and it isn't a game if it isn't a fun. OP, many of us feel you're pain and are in the boat you are. I'm personally stuck waiting for CATA to hold me til SWTOR and until then I'm stuck on halo reach, nba2k11, civ5. I wish you luck OP in your search for a game and you are far from alone on the sentiments of FF, i'd say you're in the vast majority buddy.

  • xXDilvishXxxXDilvishXx Member Posts: 1

    140 reviews... how many games buyed?

     

    500000? 499850 happy clients.

  • justandulasjustandulas Member Posts: 165

    Originally posted by DrGreenbacks

    Originally posted by Lohdown

    Oh man. Are all of you really that dense on how business works?  You are making assumptions that because a game goes on sale, that the game has to be failing.  Square Enix does not set the retail price.  Square Enix recommends a retail price.  Square Enix sells their games to Amazon at wholesale prices, and I can almost guarentee you that SE doesn't take returns unless the game is damaged.  Amazon is free to sell the game at whatever price they want, even if that means selling it at a lose just to move inventory.

    A retailer selling something on sale is not indcative of the popularity of that product.  It is simply an issue of the retailer having too much stock on hand that they want to move out of their inventory.  The goal of a retailer is to not have inventory, not to let it sit on shelves.  This in no way means that game is not selling, it just means the game is not selling fast enough for Amazon Japan based on the quantity they purchased.  As an example and not using real numbers, they may have bought 1.25 million copies from SE but only sold 1 million.  Would you say 1 million is a failure?  Probably not, but the fact remains that Amazon still has an additional 250,000 copies sitting on there shelves tieing up their money that can be used to buy other items that they in turn will sell for profit.

    I've asked for a refund. The game is damaged.

     I doubt they'll give it but please if they do let me know and let me know where the line for a refund is so I and many others can try to get refunded as well.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by xXDilvishXx

    140 reviews... how many games buyed?

     

    500000? 499850 happy clients.

    Wow. Just wow.

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