I feel sorry for the OP and others who had to experience FFXIV. My freind upgraded is PC, purchused a (sic) controller and jumped on the CE. Man, in todays economy that is rough on people when they end up reporting what the two game site reviews have indicated. He refused to return to WoW at this time but, with all his cash into FFXIV he has to wait. Personally, I am really hopeing that SE gets the hint as I am loving the "be all you can be" class system. But then again, I was hopeing that APB would get fixed too. A hopeless game romantic i guess. That said, I do not know about going back to WoW unless the "upcoming releases" are equal to FFXIV.
I enjoy FFXIV, but the game definitely has some glaring flaws and definitely isn't for everyone. If WoW is what you prefer, stick with it. Regardless of what the haters here may try to tell you, WoW IS a fantastic game that gets a LOT of things right. I personally wish the game were more like it was before the first expansion, but the subscription numbers tell me that not everyone agrees with me.
However, I do think a large number of FFXIV's kinks will be fixed in the next six months or so, so you should definitely come back in a few months and see if you like the changes. ^.^
I enjoy FFXIV, but the game definitely has some glaring flaws and definitely isn't for everyone. If WoW is what you prefer, stick with it. Regardless of what the haters here may try to tell you, WoW IS a fantastic game that gets a LOT of things right. I personally wish the game were more like it was before the first expansion, but the subscription numbers tell me that not everyone agrees with me.
However, I do think a large number of FFXIV's kinks will be fixed in the next six months or so, so you should definitely come back in a few months and see if you like the changes. ^.^
i know this isnt much but
this post sums it up. pretty much. stick with what game you like to play. simple as that.
...no, seriously. I haven't played it in ages, but I figured, what the hell....the game I really want to play simply isn't ready yet.
I played FFXI for about two years, loved the game (except for waiting hours for a party in Jeuno). My life changed over the years. Got married, had a kid, got a career...etc...so FFXI simply wasn't playable for me anymore. Kinda Blew, but I don't regret the reasons.
So, I played WoW a few times...never maxed out a toon, never for long stretches...it was kind of like chewing gum to me. you know, something to do while I waited for something else to come out.
Then I read about all that was promised for FFXIV and i was STOKED! It's FFXI for people with a life! Wife and I bought 2 CE's in the hopes of being able to get some of that FFXI magic back....
...and we find ourselves quite disappointed :-( I don't have all day to shop for armor. Bazaar system...OK, I get they don't want an AH, but then they admit the Bazaar system needs tools to make it easier to us....Once you add tools to it...It's basically an AH with a lot more walking!! Just give me the AH so I can hurry back to waiting another day to restart my Guild Levels!
then there is the UI...sure, FFXI UI was similar, but I've played games like WoW since then...games will a UI that blends into the game seamlessly....It's like writing with a pencil...i don't have to think about the pencil...i just write. FFXIV's UI is like writing with a turd...I can't stop thinking about the shit in my hand long enough to write anything useful!
The whole thing just smacks of arrogance on SE's part..like we will just love it because it's Final Fantasy. SE, you are not Squaresoft, you are a pale shadow of their past glory...
This is all very hard for me to write. We (Wife and I) are hard-core final fantasy fans. We got engaged at the 'Dear Friends, the music of Final Fantasy' concert in Atlanta. FFS, We had Final Fantasy Music at our wedding instead of traditional music (sad, I know lol). To us, Squaresoft's shit didn't stink.
But with Square Enix...we can only hold are nose for so long...then we have to run elsewhere and breathe!! SE...what happened to you.....SHAME on you for even considering this acceptable for release!
I really want to love this game, but it won't let me yet. So, I will go back to WoW to kill some more time while they fix this mess. I will be back once the serious issues have all been addressed. It something fun comes along, I might not. That's the chances you take when you blow your 'First Impression'
How the mighty have fallen :-(
There hasn't been one game on release that hasn't had it's problems. World of Warcraft was just as bad at it's launch. You wowwers can keep degrading the Final Fantasy series all you want but honestly, it seems like a bandwagon for all of you to jump on these days. And you wonder why your community gets no respect from the "other" game players.
As to you; the OP. It seems you tend to shoot first and ask questions later. I'm guessing that like you and so many of you, a game has to be completely perfect of no flaws for it to be a good game. You might want to dig up some old archives on World of Warcraft from it's before days. And honestly, if you need to use mods to enjoy a game, or for it to make a game better because you can't stand to find, quest, or do anything on your own. I'm glad that there will be two less whiners playing the game. It truly does make the game better when you Wowwers flee and go back to your own game.
A word of advice for all of you Wowwers out there, stick with your own game. There will never be a game as watered down as yours. And if you are still waiting for a game to be like World of Warcraft but with better graphics, keep dreaming. Companies want to give people a true gaming experience. Not a game where you can sit there and be awarded for it.
Just revoked my payment to Square Enix.. I had high hopes (Coming from Aion) and was disappointed severely. I'll be back when atleast some of the issues get fixed if I don't find anything else to pass my time with. I'm not bashing the game.. It just plain and simply lacks what a video game needs.
Goodluck to those of you who stick it out! I'm taking my 12$ elsewhere for the time being.
Considering it was a photoshopped FFXIV event, I guess it's being held wherever you can imagine it is.
Looks like the same guys took the time to count the player server population online at one period of time and came up with 40k. Knowing that people online during one time of the day account for about 1/10th of the overall playerbase (rough estimate based on the average Vana'Diel Census report), looks like FFXIV is sitting pretty at about 400,000 subscriptions right now. Not bad, I was expecting about half that much.
Considering everyone is still in their free month (which means they haven't paid a subscription thus are not subscribers yet) I wouldn't take into account numbers until after the first few months.
Considering it was a photoshopped FFXIV event, I guess it's being held wherever you can imagine it is.
Looks like the same guys took the time to count the player server population online at one period of time and came up with 40k. Knowing that people online during one time of the day account for about 1/10th of the overall playerbase (rough estimate based on the average Vana'Diel Census report), looks like FFXIV is sitting pretty at about 400,000 subscriptions right now. Not bad, I was expecting about half that much.
Considering everyone is still in their free month (which means they haven't paid a subscription thus are not subscribers yet) I wouldn't take into account numbers until after the first few months.
Aye,
Free month will be high due to people not having to pay. Once they have to start paying the sub, people who are on the fence will probably bail for a few months while waiting for SE to fix the game and add features.
Also for the time being 'player' numbers are pretty much going to be exaggerated due to all the buddy keys going around, so no one really knows how many of those players will stick around.
So basically yeah, there could be ~400k players currently, but that number can easily drop by half or more (based on releases in the last couple of years - see AoC, WAR and Aion as to how quickly a playerbase can drop after the free 30 days). But by seeing how angry the Japanese player base seems to be about the game (they seem a tad more pissed off than NA/EU players) it will be interesting to see server loads in the middle of November.
Thankfully SE didn't go nuts with more than 20 servers worldwide.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Considering it was a photoshopped FFXIV event, I guess it's being held wherever you can imagine it is.
Looks like the same guys took the time to count the player server population online at one period of time and came up with 40k. Knowing that people online during one time of the day account for about 1/10th of the overall playerbase (rough estimate based on the average Vana'Diel Census report), looks like FFXIV is sitting pretty at about 400,000 subscriptions right now. Not bad, I was expecting about half that much.
Considering everyone is still in their free month (which means they haven't paid a subscription thus are not subscribers yet) I wouldn't take into account numbers until after the first few months.
Aye,
Free month will be high due to people not having to pay. Once they have to start paying the sub, people who are on the fence will probably bail for a few months while waiting for SE to fix the game and add features.
Also for the time being 'player' numbers are pretty much going to be exaggerated due to all the buddy keys going around, so no one really knows how many of those players will stick around.
So basically yeah, there could be ~400k players currently, but that number can easily drop by half or more (based on releases in the last couple of years - see AoC, WAR and Aion as to how quickly a playerbase can drop after the free 30 days). But by seeing how angry the Japanese player base seems to be about the game (they seem a tad more pissed off than NA/EU players) it will be interesting to see server loads in the middle of November.
Thankfully SE didn't go nuts with more than 20 servers worldwide.
You know what the best part of this part of the discussion is? He linked the Vana'Diel Census report. I mean, it seems like noone else even noticed the name, let alone followed the link to verify the claims. If you still haven't, that census is for FFXI and is based on statistics gathered in May 2009.
Anyway, just thought I'd point that out.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
I think half the people playing WoW are still playing because to them nothing better has come along. I am not sure what will happen in 10 years from now if WoW is still the fall back game. I know graphics dont make a game but WoW has to be getting really bad at this point. Of course, people still play UO so who knows.
mmm now wow is for very casual gamers
you can got the TIER without skill, if you want join in guild you only need high gearscore without skill
A lot better then FFXI's version of gear at endgame, 4 A.M GHNM pops, farming against 90 shells all of which botted. Doing worthless Dyn runs for a weapon that ends up costing $99999999999999999999999999999 and then there was the bonus AF2 gear which was worse then its lvl 60 counter part.
Shells were the same, needed to own a bot, be a job in demand, otherwise it was nothing more then rotating in bodies to kill a mob.
FFXIV no different for shells, except invites are all over the place because its just a player shopping frenzy to find the die hard tush kissers and hardcore crafter. Gear is next to none, and finding the items to make something is a hassle cause were at A-1 shopping the ward and the Crafter is running around z-20 and I dont feel like running for 2 hours to get to him.
Considering it was a photoshopped FFXIV event, I guess it's being held wherever you can imagine it is.
Looks like the same guys took the time to count the player server population online at one period of time and came up with 40k. Knowing that people online during one time of the day account for about 1/10th of the overall playerbase (rough estimate based on the average Vana'Diel Census report), looks like FFXIV is sitting pretty at about 400,000 subscriptions right now. Not bad, I was expecting about half that much.
Considering everyone is still in their free month (which means they haven't paid a subscription thus are not subscribers yet) I wouldn't take into account numbers until after the first few months.
Aye,
Free month will be high due to people not having to pay. Once they have to start paying the sub, people who are on the fence will probably bail for a few months while waiting for SE to fix the game and add features.
Also for the time being 'player' numbers are pretty much going to be exaggerated due to all the buddy keys going around, so no one really knows how many of those players will stick around.
So basically yeah, there could be ~400k players currently, but that number can easily drop by half or more (based on releases in the last couple of years - see AoC, WAR and Aion as to how quickly a playerbase can drop after the free 30 days). But by seeing how angry the Japanese player base seems to be about the game (they seem a tad more pissed off than NA/EU players) it will be interesting to see server loads in the middle of November.
Thankfully SE didn't go nuts with more than 20 servers worldwide.
You know what the best part of this part of the discussion is? He linked the Vana'Diel Census report. I mean, it seems like noone else even noticed the name, let alone followed the link to verify the claims. If you still haven't, that census is for FFXI and is based on statistics gathered in May 2009.
Anyway, just thought I'd point that out.
Thats cause he used it to calculate his FF formula of 40k player base = 400k total subs. He did forget the 86% variable that most of those 400k didnt log in for more then a couple hours.
Thats cause he used it to calculate his FF formula of 40k player base = 400k total subs. He did forget the 86% variable that most of those 400k didnt log in for more then a couple hours.
Actually, good point. I misread the post. I do have to wonder why it's 10%, though. Given that the worldwide estimate on box sales is just over 300k, that'd have to mean that a good third of those boxes were CE sales, having handed out buddy keys to reach that number. Just seems a bit unlikely. It would be fair to assume that all 308k (and likely still growing a bit) have all activated and logged into their accounts at some point or another. Also, that particular census showed 126 minutes average, while the year prior showed 171 minutes which was closer to the average.
Still, as has been pointed out - it's the free month, and buddy keys are getting tossed into the mix as well for the population, so it's going to be a while before any solid information can be gathered. At any rate, I'm too tired to think too clearly atm (obviously!) so with that little misunderstanding aside...
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
There hasn't been one game on release that hasn't had it's problems. World of Warcraft was just as bad at it's launch. No it wasn't. The ability to level 60 was in there from the beginning. Mounts were in. The loot lag bug was the biggest issue, at least for me. It wasn't smooth, but it wasn't nearly as bad as FFXIV.
You wowwers can keep degrading the Final Fantasy series all you want but honestly, it seems like a bandwagon for all of you to jump on these days. There are people on here upset with FFXIV that have never played WoW. Also I don't see any other FF's in the series getting bashed. I did not like FFVIII, guess I hate all things Final Fantasy.
And you wonder why your community gets no respect from the "other" game players. There's no wonder about it. People that don't like WoW troll/flame/complain about WoW. People that don't like FFXIV troll/flame/complain about FFXIV. Who cares if someone doesn't "respect" something that you like?
As to you; the OP. It seems you tend to shoot first and ask questions later. I'm guessing that like you and so many of you, a game has to be completely perfect of no flaws for it to be a good game.I...what? Seriously, what? Who demanded perfection? Where is this coming from? Every MMO player always has and always will put up with flaws and bugs to enjoy their game.
You might want to dig up some old archives on World of Warcraft from it's before days. Yeah, remember when most of the people that played the WoW beta were talking about how much fun it was and that they couldn't wait for release? Total train wreck. I can't believe Blizzard screwed that up.
And honestly, if you need to use mods to enjoy a game, or for it to make a game better because you can't stand to find, quest, or do anything on your own. I'm glad that there will be two less whiners playing the game.It truly does make the game better when you Wowwers flee and go back to your own game. So now that they left FFXIV, the UI lag and group xp bug went away?
A word of advice for all of you Wowwers out there, stick with your own game.New subscribers to FFXIV will spontaneously appear from thin air. If you played WoW you are a person of low intelligence and poor taste. You also probably have some sort of disease.Please stay away from us, we don't need you.
There will never be a game as watered down as yours. And if you are still waiting for a game to be like World of Warcraft but with better graphics, keep dreaming. World of Starcraft?
Companies want to give people a true gaming experience. It's true. SquareEnix cares about us, not like all those disingenuous companies out there. Ignore the gigantic piles of money in the corner.
Not a game where you can sit there and be awarded for it. This is 100% true. In the EULA, you are not allowed to sit while playing FFXIV. Also, instead of a getting an item or gil for accomplishing things in the game, you will be strongly reprimanded by an in game guide, your avatar is killed and you lose the appropriate amount of exp for dying.
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"
Thats cause he used it to calculate his FF formula of 40k player base = 400k total subs. He did forget the 86% variable that most of those 400k didnt log in for more then a couple hours.
Actually, good point. I misread the post. I do have to wonder why it's 10%, though. Given that the worldwide estimate on box sales is just over 300k, that'd have to mean that a good third of those boxes were CE sales, having handed out buddy keys to reach that number. Just seems a bit unlikely. It would be fair to assume that all 308k (and likely still growing a bit) have all activated and logged into their accounts at some point or another. Also, that particular census showed 126 minutes average, while the year prior showed 171 minutes which was closer to the average.
Still, as has been pointed out - it's the free month, and buddy keys are getting tossed into the mix as well for the population, so it's going to be a while before any solid information can be gathered. At any rate, I'm too tired to think too clearly atm (obviously!) so with that little misunderstanding aside...
The census points out just how bad it got near the end, the avg player time dropped and the top half of the census was nothing more then bazaars.
I think Dec 2nd will be a good time to start believing what the actual pop really is.
Considering it was a photoshopped FFXIV event, I guess it's being held wherever you can imagine it is.
Looks like the same guys took the time to count the player server population online at one period of time and came up with 40k. Knowing that people online during one time of the day account for about 1/10th of the overall playerbase (rough estimate based on the average Vana'Diel Census report), looks like FFXIV is sitting pretty at about 400,000 subscriptions right now. Not bad, I was expecting about half that much.
Considering everyone is still in their free month (which means they haven't paid a subscription thus are not subscribers yet) I wouldn't take into account numbers until after the first few months.
Aye,
Free month will be high due to people not having to pay. Once they have to start paying the sub, people who are on the fence will probably bail for a few months while waiting for SE to fix the game and add features.
Also for the time being 'player' numbers are pretty much going to be exaggerated due to all the buddy keys going around, so no one really knows how many of those players will stick around.
So basically yeah, there could be ~400k players currently, but that number can easily drop by half or more (based on releases in the last couple of years - see AoC, WAR and Aion as to how quickly a playerbase can drop after the free 30 days). But by seeing how angry the Japanese player base seems to be about the game (they seem a tad more pissed off than NA/EU players) it will be interesting to see server loads in the middle of November.
Thankfully SE didn't go nuts with more than 20 servers worldwide.
You know what the best part of this part of the discussion is? He linked the Vana'Diel Census report. I mean, it seems like noone else even noticed the name, let alone followed the link to verify the claims. If you still haven't, that census is for FFXI and is based on statistics gathered in May 2009.
Anyway, just thought I'd point that out.
Yeah noticed that, but didn't say anything because he would throw out some BS calculations and theorycrafting to confuse people into seeing how he reached his estimate.
But as I said before, many games in the last few years to release in the condition and to the general reception that this game has usually sold well at launch and by month 3 at the latest were beginning talks of server merges.
The PS3 release may inject some players into the game later, but the general consensus across multiple Japanese gaming sites doesn't seem to bode well for SE. Japanese make up the bulk of the would be PS3 sales for the game, and they tend to not be so forgiving when quality issues come into play.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
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It was a joke.....
I feel sorry for the OP and others who had to experience FFXIV. My freind upgraded is PC, purchused a (sic) controller and jumped on the CE. Man, in todays economy that is rough on people when they end up reporting what the two game site reviews have indicated. He refused to return to WoW at this time but, with all his cash into FFXIV he has to wait. Personally, I am really hopeing that SE gets the hint as I am loving the "be all you can be" class system. But then again, I was hopeing that APB would get fixed too. A hopeless game romantic i guess. That said, I do not know about going back to WoW unless the "upcoming releases" are equal to FFXIV.
I enjoy FFXIV, but the game definitely has some glaring flaws and definitely isn't for everyone. If WoW is what you prefer, stick with it. Regardless of what the haters here may try to tell you, WoW IS a fantastic game that gets a LOT of things right. I personally wish the game were more like it was before the first expansion, but the subscription numbers tell me that not everyone agrees with me.
However, I do think a large number of FFXIV's kinks will be fixed in the next six months or so, so you should definitely come back in a few months and see if you like the changes. ^.^
i know this isnt much but
this post sums it up. pretty much. stick with what game you like to play. simple as that.
There hasn't been one game on release that hasn't had it's problems. World of Warcraft was just as bad at it's launch. You wowwers can keep degrading the Final Fantasy series all you want but honestly, it seems like a bandwagon for all of you to jump on these days. And you wonder why your community gets no respect from the "other" game players.
As to you; the OP. It seems you tend to shoot first and ask questions later. I'm guessing that like you and so many of you, a game has to be completely perfect of no flaws for it to be a good game. You might want to dig up some old archives on World of Warcraft from it's before days. And honestly, if you need to use mods to enjoy a game, or for it to make a game better because you can't stand to find, quest, or do anything on your own. I'm glad that there will be two less whiners playing the game. It truly does make the game better when you Wowwers flee and go back to your own game.
A word of advice for all of you Wowwers out there, stick with your own game. There will never be a game as watered down as yours. And if you are still waiting for a game to be like World of Warcraft but with better graphics, keep dreaming. Companies want to give people a true gaming experience. Not a game where you can sit there and be awarded for it.
Just revoked my payment to Square Enix.. I had high hopes (Coming from Aion) and was disappointed severely. I'll be back when atleast some of the issues get fixed if I don't find anything else to pass my time with. I'm not bashing the game.. It just plain and simply lacks what a video game needs.
Goodluck to those of you who stick it out! I'm taking my 12$ elsewhere for the time being.
P.S. WoW sucks. The end. <33.
Considering everyone is still in their free month (which means they haven't paid a subscription thus are not subscribers yet) I wouldn't take into account numbers until after the first few months.
Aye,
Free month will be high due to people not having to pay. Once they have to start paying the sub, people who are on the fence will probably bail for a few months while waiting for SE to fix the game and add features.
Also for the time being 'player' numbers are pretty much going to be exaggerated due to all the buddy keys going around, so no one really knows how many of those players will stick around.
So basically yeah, there could be ~400k players currently, but that number can easily drop by half or more (based on releases in the last couple of years - see AoC, WAR and Aion as to how quickly a playerbase can drop after the free 30 days). But by seeing how angry the Japanese player base seems to be about the game (they seem a tad more pissed off than NA/EU players) it will be interesting to see server loads in the middle of November.
Thankfully SE didn't go nuts with more than 20 servers worldwide.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
You know what the best part of this part of the discussion is? He linked the Vana'Diel Census report. I mean, it seems like noone else even noticed the name, let alone followed the link to verify the claims. If you still haven't, that census is for FFXI and is based on statistics gathered in May 2009.
Anyway, just thought I'd point that out.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
A lot better then FFXI's version of gear at endgame, 4 A.M GHNM pops, farming against 90 shells all of which botted. Doing worthless Dyn runs for a weapon that ends up costing $99999999999999999999999999999 and then there was the bonus AF2 gear which was worse then its lvl 60 counter part.
Shells were the same, needed to own a bot, be a job in demand, otherwise it was nothing more then rotating in bodies to kill a mob.
FFXIV no different for shells, except invites are all over the place because its just a player shopping frenzy to find the die hard tush kissers and hardcore crafter. Gear is next to none, and finding the items to make something is a hassle cause were at A-1 shopping the ward and the Crafter is running around z-20 and I dont feel like running for 2 hours to get to him.
Thats cause he used it to calculate his FF formula of 40k player base = 400k total subs. He did forget the 86% variable that most of those 400k didnt log in for more then a couple hours.
Actually, good point. I misread the post. I do have to wonder why it's 10%, though. Given that the worldwide estimate on box sales is just over 300k, that'd have to mean that a good third of those boxes were CE sales, having handed out buddy keys to reach that number. Just seems a bit unlikely. It would be fair to assume that all 308k (and likely still growing a bit) have all activated and logged into their accounts at some point or another. Also, that particular census showed 126 minutes average, while the year prior showed 171 minutes which was closer to the average.
Still, as has been pointed out - it's the free month, and buddy keys are getting tossed into the mix as well for the population, so it's going to be a while before any solid information can be gathered. At any rate, I'm too tired to think too clearly atm (obviously!) so with that little misunderstanding aside...
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"
The census points out just how bad it got near the end, the avg player time dropped and the top half of the census was nothing more then bazaars.
I think Dec 2nd will be a good time to start believing what the actual pop really is.
Yeah noticed that, but didn't say anything because he would throw out some BS calculations and theorycrafting to confuse people into seeing how he reached his estimate.
But as I said before, many games in the last few years to release in the condition and to the general reception that this game has usually sold well at launch and by month 3 at the latest were beginning talks of server merges.
The PS3 release may inject some players into the game later, but the general consensus across multiple Japanese gaming sites doesn't seem to bode well for SE. Japanese make up the bulk of the would be PS3 sales for the game, and they tend to not be so forgiving when quality issues come into play.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"