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Zorlok
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Okay, I appoliogize for making another thread. This will be my last but I have a lot of questions I guess. I have learned that compulsively buying MMO's has been a poor choice.
I have been reading on and on about why people loathe the game. However, there must, obviously, be people who love the game. What are these reasons? I know a lot of people are die hard FF fans, but it takes much more than that to sell a game.
Why do people enjoy playing FFXIV?
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For all games, even for those which are regarded as crap almost universally, you'll find people who enjoy playing them.
Being a fan of a certain type of game can go a very long way, in the case of FFXIV, maybe being really hardcore about the story or being a very hardcore achiever who can put up with the way the game does things, might be enough to enjoy it.
Or maybe they just joined up with a lot of friends and the social experience carries them through.
etc.
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I rather thought this guy summed up the reasons pretty nicely.
To put it really succinctly, the main reason I like this game is because it's old school. Its design hearkens back to the days when MMORPGs were designed in mind of Core Gamers playing them instead of Casuals. Here's a game that asks you to apply yourself, to research your recipes offline, to grind when needed, to seek out and find your own purpose in the game instead of having it handed to you, because you're not afraid of playing an MMORPG. The ponderous interface is merely skin deep.
Anybody who is spoiled on the WoW model, who never would have had a chance to enjoy anything but WoW or a WoW-alike, would likely take one look at what FFXIV asks of them and run enraged to the nearest forum to rage quit. That's just how it is, even negative professional reviews seem to mirror this "make it like WoW or I won't play it" mentality. I'm quite comfortable with leaving WoW players to WoW, you have plenty of clones to play, go to it and leave the FFXIV players be.
I commented on your last post, but I just wanted to reiterate that people need to stop calling this game "old school"....the only "old school" part about the game is the mechanics and UI, not the difficulty, not the story and definately not the immersion. It's a new school game with original Nintendo mechanics/UI. It's a "console-mmorpg"....go play Anarchy Online or Everquest 1 and tell me the similarities....you'll have alot of difficulty in finding any...
I think it's wrong to call this game "old school". I honestly don't believe that Square set out to make a game for more hardcore audiences or those who enjoy a challenge. In short, this game is bad. The UI is terrible, everything is sluggish, slow, and non-responsive. The whole level system just isn't fun; in EverQuest, levelling and exploring was enjoyable for the word go, in FFXIV it is mind numbing boring. Will it get better? No. Even its main draw of changing class on-the-fly is stupidly annoying due to the whole turgid feel of the game.
I'm not trolling or being unreasonable, this game is just poor. Don't try and cover it up with saying "it's so old school" because it just isn't. Older games didn't set out to be difficult and an insane challenge, they're design was fun and engaging. Square have made so unlikable I think this was an in-office dare.
"Immersion" is tricky, really. If you sit down two people with a good book, it's not uncommon that there will be a subjective disagreement about whether or not they felt "immersed," and the same goes for games.
I'd say my first MMORPG felt more immersive for me just because there was a lot more to learn, a lot more fresh things on my mind, I didn't have any real concept of MMORPG standards back then and every MMORPG I played after my first I was able to find these standards and find them to be an immersion breaker. Therefore, I think it takes a certain mindset amongst a veteran MMORPG player, a deliberate suspention of disbelief, to become immersed like you were in your first MMORPG.
For me, Final Fantasy XIV definately is a lot closer than I've been in a lot of MMORPGs simply because I'm not being pointed everywhere by people with giant exclaimation points floating over there head. The environments are a lot more believable, where in WoW it looks like a technicolor world designed by Fischer Price - FFXIV doesn't rely as heavily on stylization. It goes deeper than that, such as how nearly every single item in the game is tied to the player economy, how even the rudimentary act of grinding salt in a mortar carries a certain grand ramification of being a small part fo a much larger picture. It's a slow-paced game, but there's meaning in that pace, and if this meaning is missed then there just won't be an understand at where FFXIV excels.
Why do some people like to eat liver? Some people enjoy progressive rock music, some enjoy reading about historical figures, some enjoy watching golf...the list goes on. None of these people are the majority, but they enjoy their things just the same.
Although most of the posts on these boards are little more than "I hate it" or "I love it", there are people that have offered the distinct reasons for liking or hating the game. How does this apply to you? Depends on who you are...you may absolutely love FFXIV....you might be one of those that like to eat liver. More power to you if you do...but the majority of people will simply disagree with you for their own, personal reasons that are important to them.
I have to disagree on the world design being anywhere near as interesting as any old school game. With any MMORPG, you know the design is good when all of a sudden you turn a corner and are amazed by what you have just laid eyes on. That doesn't happen in this game....ever. EQ1 and AO, constantly.
once i played this game i won't be going elsewhere.it is that fun for me
why do i like it,i guess firstly the graphics is most impressive i seen for a long time.the rest of the complains from other players about the ui and bugs can all be work out overtime.some of them just wish for people to play later on when those are fixed as the server already laggy enough with present numbers.
i enjoy the leve and storyline campaign as well as the fact it is the best pve based mmo atm which do not force me to hardcore like in most mmo where i am usually one of the top few highest level players.after playing so many pvp mmo which force one to hardcore non stop i think mainly i play ffxiv cos it allow me to take a break from those and just enjoy the game gradually one step at a time.
also i am looking forward to community building once company guild feature is in game.for now i will just log on everyday to enjoy the game with my friends.
my advise is play ff14 only if u enjoy it and do not get affected by the reviews.if possible go get a buddy pass and try it free for 30 days.if u do not like it then just don't play it or come back later on when they fixed most of those ui and bugs issue after a few months
1) Graphics & Artsyle are amazing (even the UIs look)
2) Soundtrack is amazing.
3) Crafting System is deep, complex and requires teamwork... its a whole path on its own, unlike some big games (though UI is abit of a downer on this experiance).
4) Battle System, while we are low level its just the same as any other, though im only Rank 20 and I already have a full bar for what I use in party situations with my freinds (more than I can say for other MMOS), it has some great potential to be complex later in the game, like FF11s, only faster/flashier.
5) Story Line seems pretty decent so far, that and knowing that each class guild will have its own story lines when unlocked I feel il have more than enough to be doing story wise.
I could go on about features that are coming which are keeping me enticed. but all the same, its jsut like FF11, content patch will come around a month into its alifetime and those stuck at 20+ will be prepared for it all more than enough.
The core of the game is great, ruined by a rushed release and a horrible UI performance.... I dont have A.D.D so I can wait, I would rather wait than play WoW yet AGAIN, or any of its various clones that plague the market now...
I've had this happen to me many times in FFXIV. There's a definate majesty to coming across the NPC marketplaces, the windswept vistas, the dust storms, seeing the airships fly by in the background, the boats pull up to the docks. My breath was literally taken away from me a few times by this game. It really is a subjective thing if you've not felt the same.
The cities in the game are only a VERY small part of the game...I was actually talking about outside of the cities....the cities in FFXIV are actually some of the best in any game...but that's a very small part of the game world and everything outside of it is the complete opposite. Neverending repetition...
This pretty much sums up how I feel about the game myself. Although I would like it if they do some serious tweaking to the UI.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
It's true that there's definately some reused components to the outside, but this requires only a minor suspension of disbelief, resulting in a great deal of majesty to be found in just about every part of the world I have explored, from the overgrown forest of the Black Shroud to the arid desert vistas of Thanalan. There's a sense of immersion here I haven't had since the days of wandering Greater Faydark or the first time the dwarven city of Kaladim appeared before me in EverQuest.
Ugh.... The game is NOT old school. You may think it 'hearkens' back to when games were designed for 'core gamers' but the sad thing is those games weren't designed for 'core gamers' either. Those games were new and designed as best as they knew how at the time with the tech available. As the genre aged those limitations were surpassed and things were improved upon.
Today calling simple design flaw and lack of basic gameplay fundamentals 'old school' doesn't suddenly make the game better. There are a lot of people here who have played the old school MMOs back when they were new who actually miss those types of games, myself included, and don't feel any of that 'old school' spark with the game.
In old school games there were places to go, dungeons, bosses and treasure to be had. There was danger around almost every turn. There were penalties for failing and consequences for not being careful. There isn't really any of that in FFXIV.
In FFXIV the roads are safe, hell, most of the zones are safe for travel as mob spawns are few and far between. Dungeons are few and far between, and in most cases not really all that dangerous. Death nets you a debuff and the need to repair gear, yay... You grab quests from a giant crystal... The game has way more in common with WoW than it does with EQ/AC/etc. Because grinding mobs =/= old school. Grinding mobs = grinding mobs, and is found in EVERY MMO.
So please, do not insult old school games by claiming this game is old school.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
To each his own then I guess. I am happy that you like the game so much and wish I did as well. I was really looking foward to this title, but after playing CB and OB I decided that is wasnt the game for me. Hopefully they spruce this game up a bit and give it more life so that I come back and enjoy another of many awesome Final Fantasy games...for now, I think this is the worst Final Fantasy product ever released to the public.
I tihnk what a lot of people don't understand is different game suit different mindsets. They think World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy XIV are competing products. I disagree. I think they're intended for entirely different players, maybe with a little overlap on the venn diagram, but not much.
You want WoW? You got WoW already. Nobody's going to bother trying to entice you away from it, since all attempts to do just that have done no better than the typical EverQuest clone. A lot of people seem to tihnk WoW is the evolution of the genre, but it's turning otu to be really more of a one hit wonder.
As for anyone who thinks my opinion should be rendered invalid because they's rather call me a fanboy and/or a shill, suggesting I'm a mindless twit beyond hte ability to have a objective opinion, I'm just going to report such posts and move on. There's absolutely nothing productive to be found in fostering such easy prejudices.
The combat is better than FF11s, the custimization (apon release timelimes) is much better than FF11s, the crafting and gathering is much better than FF11s, the UI (look and feel) is better than FF11s, the story presentation is bettter than FF11s.
All the core aspects are a great improvement, but I guess comparing a rushed release product to game with 8 years of refinement is a fair system right? I mean its not like a whole new engine was involved and that these improvments are not on thier way.
Those that defend this game like the core gameplay, and are willing to put up with the UI problems (which imo, while being shocking compared to other MMOs I have played, are still doable) the UI lag has dropped and will continue to drop until gone, party exp has been fixed, REfined retainers and god knows what else is planned for this week.
Not the best on the market, I could argue that ToR and GW will be far from the best on the market because it doesnt have the content and features that GW1 had and WoW had... but then that would be as stupid as this comparison is now.
This is why people "like" FFXIV. FFXIV character and object models were well done. Due to excessive reuse of terrain for the world, I can't same the same about it. While the character variations might be limited, armor more than makes up for it.
Eye Candy.
FFXIV is also not old school in any way shape or form. The fatigue system was designed to attract casual gamers to FFXIV and appearently by definition, MMO's that appeal to casual gamers are not old school.
There were and still are players that enjoy Warhammer Online that have played since launch. The same most likely can be said about just every MMO that has made it in this harsh genre. I personally know one of those players and even though he enjoys the game, he will openly admit to the game needing at least a few more months of development before release.
Warhammer Online used to be without a doubt the most wasted potential for an MMO but now, imo, FFXIV has taken that tittle. This game would have shaken the foundations of the genre if pushed back a year to add actual content and streamline that beast they call a UI.
Warhammer and AoC are two great MMO's but their launch left a bitter taste many will never forget and they have paid the price for it.
Only very specifically as pertains to ways in which Eye Candy can genuinely contribute to the game. You don't play computer games for 26+ years as I have and get sucked in that easily by a pretty face. If she's pretty, that's got to apply to the job at hand, or else I don't see it as all that useful of an asset.
In this case, the specific context of this thread was talking about immersion and that was one case in which really well done eye candy is actually a contributing factor towards something of greater value than mere cosmetic appeal.
At first I liked it because of the chocobos. And the hopes that someday moogles will be there.
I liked it because I had a midget lancer who thought he was a moogle. I was excited because combat was supposed to be tactical (anyone saw the lancer page of ff14? with the enemy range and your range thing)
I hated it because my midget-lancer moogle-wannabee had to grind. A lot.
I hated it because the tacticalness of playing alone (and teams) just wasnt there. Yes you can immob enemies before they reach the casters but you cant stab them and stay out of range o.O and the immob didnt last long at all.
I hated it because after spending 45 minutes. 45 MINUTES RANTING ABOUT HOW GREAT A MOOGLE MY CHAR WAS!!!
Not a single person bothered to reply. Mind you there were a lot of people there who were running around.
I think it was just cuz I was expecting something else. I was expecting it to be more teamy but it wasnt. I was expecting to findsomething better than a ladybug killing 15 people at low levels o.o I mean come on....a lady bug?
I was expecting epic-ey final fantasy monsters. I was expecting more fun things to do (because it was advertised as a casual game) but there really isnt much casual-ness going for it.
I was expecting a beautiful epic world and not dejavu every turn (Which KILLED it for me)
Right now I find WoW more immersive with the land marks, the not so mazey maps, the more interesting and well built maps...
I was expecting to have fun exploring the world (I did NOT have fun exploring the world. I practically got lost because I refused to open the world map and i found myself in the same looking place over and over and over again. The copy pasta of the world killed immersion for me)
Oh..I liked figuring out the controls.. I Was able to virtua-hotkey everything so that i can play with one hand. now THAT was awesome. As in I can seriously do everything in ff14...with one friggin hand. How awesome is that??? I was fighting stuff just to see if I can get better finger dexterity with all the things I have to control (like menus, camera, target, battle mode or not battle mode, etc) That was the biggest friggin accomplishment for me in ff14. PLaying with 1 hand. o.o
Then I quit and went to play city of heroes going rogue~
I mean...whats there to do after you get to lvl 20 with only one hand?
lol why would you listen to reviews its like with music, if they say justin beebers album is roxsorz do0d 5 starz then it must be good right?
geldonyetich, I honestly can't figure out why you are still browsing the FFXIV forums fighting off hordes of people. Everything you've said, you've said hundreds of times before in many different threads. Heck, you've even eaten a ban or two.
I think it's time to just let it go. That's what I did. It's better that way.
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Not true. I've only been permanently banned from one forum, ever, and it was largely a forum populated by folk whose conduct there got them banned from other forums. They never could give me a good reason why. I guess they didn't like my optimism.
Not sure what the heck is up with the star system on this forum. I had a quarter star awhile after my previous warning/ban here. It vanished?
So far as I can gather, the reason why I was given the warnings in the first place is any negativity about anyone else on here is simply not tolerated. I've been attempting to change my conduct thusly, but it certainly hasn't been rewarded. You guys should probably avoid talking down on me bearing in mind what I had to learn about the terms of service of this forum ths hard way.
Wait, you got permanently banned from a forum for people banned from other websites? So you were banned from one site, gathered with your fellow banned members then they banned you forever from their refugees-for-the-banned forum? I'm a little confused but defintiely interested in hearing more about this, it sounds hilarious! Indulge us!
Nah, not like that. The forum I was banned from was one that just had people who really enjoyed being caustic about what they had to say. The kind of place where "die in a car fire" was considered a trendy thing to say. This is how I say it's a place where their conduct would get them banned from other forums.
I generally enjoyed the conversation there, but I think I just plain overwhelmed them from volume of posts. They were a very elitist little club of MMORPG pundits. Getting smaller and more elitist by the moment, judging by their tendency to ban people at random just for lawls. I'm glad to be rid of them, really, I picked up nothing but bad habits from the place.