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Hall of Monuments is a joke
redOrc
Member Posts: 100
And the joke is PVP players.
After 4 years of playing PVP in GW + doing all the different PVE missions, I've entered this "hall".
Well, I got 10 points out of 50. That is how Anet appriciate their PVP gamers.
All my GVGs amount to practicaly nothing.
My Hero fights and my Team-arena and random arena amount to a few points.
On the other hand any PVEer doing one pseudo GVG VS NPCS can place his hero there and get more points for his 10 minute effort than all those hours I spent GVGing.
I suppose that is what Anet thinks of PVPers and how they position themself for GW2.
It's a shame, I liked GW alot and have so much fun there, but GW2 does not look like going the same way.
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I've heard this complaint before and it is probably valid. However, if all you do is pvp then what do you care for any pve rewards? Most primarily pvpers that I know of could care less about the HoM.
This is a prime example of i want my cake and eat it too, and my time is worth more than your time. Guess what, you spent the hardwork and time to pvp why complain? You obviously did it because it was fun and now that theres these "rewards" your cry about it? What I find funny is your complaining but you do still have points, which probably means either some of that was pvp or you got some of it from pve so its not like it was completely wasted you know, if you want it that badly then invest time in a DIFFERENT aspect of the game, it has many quit being so one sided.
if your so good at PvP then i hope you won some of the huge cash prizes that Anet had...
as the PvE players do not get such prizes. you are all upset about some lower level items and a few pets (only if you play ranger) and mini pets. And of course the lack of PvP titles (oh wait some of the hardest ones to get in the game and ones that looked at very highly in GW) shows Anets true intent about PvP...what about the facts that you can PvP from level one. Or the facts that WvWvW is something people have been looking for since DAoC. Or the that fact that their structured PvP will be very competive and WvWvW will create server pride like DAoC....(one of the best PvP games of all time)
think.
They're shiny low-level items, who cares?
I like this ^
So....
What about doing the Hall thingie?
You do know it doesn't have a "final date" do it?
Just do it, it's available to you.
If you start demanding stuff for PVPing, PVE inclined players will start demanding any kind of reward PVP inclined players could get aswell...
PvP players dont belong in Hall of Monuments...that simple
Ready for GW2!!!
Haven't you PVPers (who btw are the minority) screwed us PVErs enough? Everytime you abuse a skill Anet makes it less effective and when they don't make a seperate skill for PVP us PVErs, who aren't the problem, get the shaft. There are skills that were nerfed before I even got a chance to use them.
Welcome to Guild Wars where the number of PvP players is actually about equal to the number of PvE players. Then theres the PvX players who have equal number to the the PvE players. So really, the game is equally distributed into thirds PvP players, PvE players, and players who do both. Where blanace and blame is concerned, its actually a two-way street bub; both PvE and PvP can be blamed for ruining lots of builds: I used to have an awesome (albeit niche) Shadow Form pvp build, but you PvE farmers abused it so it had to get nerfed.
Also, with EotN, PvE players got anything but shafted; you now have plenty of PvE only skills that outshine any damage that has ever been done by a nerf.
But now back to topic: yes PvP did get shafted a little when it comes to HoM rewards. As a PvX player, i can say I was little disappointed with the lack of embelishment the PvP titles recieved. They are truely hard to get, so I was hoping for more points from them intead of the measely 3 points plus however many you can get from stacking the number of monument tropheys.
I'm one of the do both crowd in GW1. However, not the arena/ GvG style PvP, more the ABs, Jade Quarry / Aspenwood type. Casual PvP I guess you could call it? But, I easily PvE as much as PvP and, perhaps due to my casual take on PvP, don't really see a problem with the HoM being PvE based... it's part of a PvE expansion after all, and it's being used to tie one games PvE in with another games PvE.
Hardcore PvPers in GW2 will have access to top gear and equality right off the bat, cosmetic items certainly won't give anyone an advantage in PvP.
Probably the only advice I could offer to PvP folks is this (and it sucks, btw, so apologies for that), you already will have at least three points in the HoM. Do enough PvE content to unlock your HoM (plenty of people will help), then do things to grab a few more points if you wish. Give the PvE side another try.
Oderint, dum metuant.
PvP players have plenty of rewards to cycle through already, cash prizes and PvPer only armor for example. What you have essentially done is get through some great armor rewards and set yourself up for an easy journey through the HoL if you desire.
Then again, 7 Points for only PvPing... is pretty impressive. Everything else could be bought with Z-Keys if you like. Cheers.
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You can't expect to get all points if you play only pvp. the largest part of the game is PVE!
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Yeah...contrary to the "guild wars" title...
It certainly has evolved into that. Still the point remains, why would a pvp player care about pve rewards?
You should get all points if you are a hardcore pvper and thats about it.
Um... so you're complaining about how you PvPed too much and because of it "wasted time" and won't be getting many PvE rewards for GW2 because of it? Okay...
Brb, going to watch the championship finals on observer mode of the #1 Mallyx farming group that will reward $10000, oh wait...
Sorry, but you want PvE rewards for PvPing.
There are things which you can put in HOM from PvP. Take Heroes Ascent for example. The chest has some very nice items in it which can be put in HOM. You also get points for some of your titles.
Still, I think there should be a monument showcasing your PvP achievements. One monument isn't to much to ask. It can reward pvp items in GW2 (aka cool PvP skins or/and mini pets). Although then PvE-only players will go emo rage.
I play both and I will aim for 50/50 :P
Not according to Arenanet, according to them PVE players out number PVP players.
It seems this turned out to be an argument between those that will and those that won't get items from HoM. Obviously this has little to do with rewarding loyal vets since those that engaged mostly in PvP are left out regardless of their investment in GW.
Perhaps ANet will change this when they figure out this isn't a fair deal for all their vets but this clearly shows that their primary goal was selling more copies of GW on account of hype over GW2.
I didn't play too much of GW1 myself so i'm speculating here as to how if i was in the position of putting out points, I would do it
Okay out of 100% this is how i would do it.
25% of the points obtainable would be gotten from PvE crowds (you can only get these points if you are really good at PvE)
25% of the points obtainable would be gotten from PvP crowds (you can only get these points if you are really good at PvP)
50% of the points obtainable would be gotten from general playing (leveling character, completing a number of quests, raids pvp whatever, you get these points if you play long enough)
That would leave you if you played about a year or two with at least 50% and you can try and grab the other 50% how you wish but your most likely only going to end up with 75% unless your really into the game and do both.
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K. This is pretty stupid.
It is like a PVE player complaining about PVP players getting cash prices. So Anet and NCsoft shell hardcore PVE fans who didn't play in the tournaments instead just went around killing some grawl 50 times %50 of your money..You would be pissed wouldn't you.
hehehe,hahahahaHAHAHAHA
laughing Hyena, get used to it -_-
I think the logic is, what is there that a PvP player could possible want in the next expansion? I mean, if you participated in PvP most of the time in GW1, chances are you'll be doing the same in GW2. For structured PvP, everyone is on equal footing. For WvWvW PvP, well you just jump in there with what you currently have.
OP is right and its not about rewards, but about ArenaNet future way. From HoM we can clearly see that they dont care about PvPers anymore. From core GW campaign things are going only worse for PvPers (and all that want some challange even in PvE) EotN is a joke and spit into a face.
Even GW1 is easy as hell right now with all PvE skills and I still dont get why in MMO game there are Heroes? I can play single-player for such experience. I dont even talk about that easy (normal) mode they put in so every dumb person can solo all content with hands in the ass.
HoM for GW2 is only next logical step and we can see that GW2 will not be GW anymore, but more like GWoW. PvE game for casual players... thats about it.
PS: Why PvP players shouldnt get some nice looking items to use in GW2 GvG? I was proud to wear nice weapons and black armor in GW1.
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Why there are heroes? You will rather beg/wait for hours to do 1 quest? BEcosue majority people "outlvled it" ? Thats the reason lvl based games sucked. Grind zone to x lvl move to next and repeat.
Firstly they added Hard mode, normal mode was the standard before and hard mode was only available after beating the campaign in normal mode once it was added.
If you take a look at the rewards there are 6 PvP titles that in addition to the linked account that everyone gets would put you at 11 points in honor just for doing the PvP only. That counts for over 1/3rd of the rewards you get (from 1-30) just for doing PvP and being good at it. Now add that anyone can train a pet and put that in, as well as MOX is a free hero just for owning all the games so that's 2 more points without really having to PvE. Lastly I have no idea if you get minipet bdays on PvP only characters but assuming you just created 6 characters around release and received their bday minipets you would have another 6 points quite easily just from minipets.
So without even doing PvE content you can get about 2/3rds of the rewards for the HOM. In addition with the money you made from being good at PvP you could easily buy your way to the 30/50 mark on the HOM calculator without having to grind through any PvE content. That seems quite reasonable to me.