Warhammer is having a thing where you can come back for 2 weeks for free so I started it back up after basically two years off and it's amazing- quests galore, pq quests, scenarios on demand, actual progress and new abilities and items, PVP- just so much to do.
If there's one thing FFXIV has accomplished, it's made every other game look amazing just for "having something to do"... lol...
Warhammer is having a thing where you can come back for 2 weeks for free so I started it back up after basically two years off and it's amazing- quests galore, pq quests, scenarios on demand, actual progress and new abilities and items, PVP- just so much to do.
If there's one thing FFXIV has accomplished, it's made every other game look amazing just for "having something to do"... lol...
What about Star Trek Online, surely FFXIV can't be so bad as to make that look good as well?
Actually, it does. STO's quests were really repetative (not nearly as repetative as FFXIV's leves), but at least there was a bunch of them and there was PVP (i.e. stuff to do), and there was a wide variety of landscapes (more than THREE), and the switch between ship and ground was a cool idea even if not implemented well.
FFXIV really took the genre to a new low by making a game like STO seem good, let alone even acceptable.
Warhammer is still way better with more balanced, fun and extensive PVP and tons of replayability (STO had basically zero replayability).
Did the high elves ever get their capital city for RvR? (I was pretty upset about that few years ago)
I used to roll High Elves: Sword Master. Is that still the shittiest tank in the game still? Or are they still heavily armored dps class?
I never bothered to look back since then.
I ditched this game to play Aion, and then I ditched Aion to play IV. Burned through the content in both games like a wildfire.
I remember this game barely working...as someone else mentioned.
This thread is cute.
I also remember this game barely working when I left a couple years ago, and was probably leading the flames (if you notice when I like a game I go all out, and the same when I hate I game).
But they did a whole bunch of work on the game since then. Classes are really balanced well, ORVR is worth doing and pretty fun, lag is gone, they merged servers (although Badlands is the only reliable one- hopefully they'll merge the other three into one and just run on two).
However, they never got in the other cities to my knowledge (I'm only level 28 since the start of this thread so I'm not too knowledgable about end game), and I don't know about Swordmaster. A heavily armored dps class doesn't sound too bad to me though.
I think SE ignored the beta testers because we basically listed every mechanic in the game and told them it was "un-fun".
I haven't played Warhammer but maybe the difference was that it had a lot less screwed up machanics and systems in the game and just needed some things tweaked?
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized" "The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
I think SE ignored the beta testers because we basically listed every mechanic in the game and told them it was "un-fun".
I haven't played Warhammer but maybe the difference was that it had a lot less screwed up machanics and systems in the game and just needed some things tweaked?
The thing with Warhammer is it's almost totally about PVP. PVP when done right (rarely in MMOs) is more fun than PVE because it's not scripted and it all depends on the actions of human beings playing in realtime, so every battle is different, and tactics and choices in battle matter.
There was serious balance issues in Warhmmer a couple years ago. There was no point in playing against a team with 3 bright wizards for example. Some CC was totally out of control. ORVR was not rewarding enough to be worth doing. They fixed all that though and the game is seriously fun.
The thing that really sank the game was they released on like 30 servers for a population that could fill 10, and for PVP you obviously need people to play against or it doesn't work. So the population was all spread out and playing on most servers just didn't work as intended.
They've since merged them down to 4, and could do well by merging them down to 2. Unfortunately it took them far too long to get over their egos and do that. Otherwise the game would be doing much better than it is.
I've commented in-game and others agree that if Warhammer could somehow be released today, without all the negativity and mistakes of release, it would be huge.
having played WAR through Beta and Launch and FFXIV through Beta and Launch I feel that both games had there good points and bad points.
Comparing a two year old game with a new launched game is jsut plain silly, after all WAR has all those 'updates' that make the game 'richer in content'
personally?
I prefer FFXIV over WAR,
Me too. FFXIV will be great in time to come... WAR sucked bad...I played for 1 month then quit...
having played WAR through Beta and Launch and FFXIV through Beta and Launch I feel that both games had there good points and bad points.
Comparing a two year old game with a new launched game is jsut plain silly, after all WAR has all those 'updates' that make the game 'richer in content'
personally?
I prefer FFXIV over WAR,
Me too. FFXIV will be great in time to come... WAR sucked bad...I played for 1 month then quit...
Well, as for me, I'd rather play a game that I felt was great NOW, not in "time to come".
FFXIV might be great in a year or two. Until then I'm certainly not going to play it.
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LMAO, played FF huh?
Actually, it does. STO's quests were really repetative (not nearly as repetative as FFXIV's leves), but at least there was a bunch of them and there was PVP (i.e. stuff to do), and there was a wide variety of landscapes (more than THREE), and the switch between ship and ground was a cool idea even if not implemented well.
FFXIV really took the genre to a new low by making a game like STO seem good, let alone even acceptable.
Warhammer is still way better with more balanced, fun and extensive PVP and tons of replayability (STO had basically zero replayability).
I also remember this game barely working when I left a couple years ago, and was probably leading the flames (if you notice when I like a game I go all out, and the same when I hate I game).
But they did a whole bunch of work on the game since then. Classes are really balanced well, ORVR is worth doing and pretty fun, lag is gone, they merged servers (although Badlands is the only reliable one- hopefully they'll merge the other three into one and just run on two).
However, they never got in the other cities to my knowledge (I'm only level 28 since the start of this thread so I'm not too knowledgable about end game), and I don't know about Swordmaster. A heavily armored dps class doesn't sound too bad to me though.
This is the main thing right here.
I think SE ignored the beta testers because we basically listed every mechanic in the game and told them it was "un-fun".
I haven't played Warhammer but maybe the difference was that it had a lot less screwed up machanics and systems in the game and just needed some things tweaked?
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
The thing with Warhammer is it's almost totally about PVP. PVP when done right (rarely in MMOs) is more fun than PVE because it's not scripted and it all depends on the actions of human beings playing in realtime, so every battle is different, and tactics and choices in battle matter.
There was serious balance issues in Warhmmer a couple years ago. There was no point in playing against a team with 3 bright wizards for example. Some CC was totally out of control. ORVR was not rewarding enough to be worth doing. They fixed all that though and the game is seriously fun.
The thing that really sank the game was they released on like 30 servers for a population that could fill 10, and for PVP you obviously need people to play against or it doesn't work. So the population was all spread out and playing on most servers just didn't work as intended.
They've since merged them down to 4, and could do well by merging them down to 2. Unfortunately it took them far too long to get over their egos and do that. Otherwise the game would be doing much better than it is.
I've commented in-game and others agree that if Warhammer could somehow be released today, without all the negativity and mistakes of release, it would be huge.
I keep telling people this but they don't believe me. There's really no reason to play XIV when you can just play XI or Vanguard.
I personally found Warhammers character models terrible, but it has the fun factor missing in XIV. I absolutely love the public quest system.
Well, as for me, I'd rather play a game that I felt was great NOW, not in "time to come".
FFXIV might be great in a year or two. Until then I'm certainly not going to play it.