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  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843

    Yes, it will be financial sucess and it will be a game success for the Bioware and KOTOR fans, the SPRPG lovers, I agreed with that.

    It will be a MMORPG failure though, many seem to not understand what that means :)

    Am I on a site called MMORPG.com? any MMO gamers around?

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • KriosisKriosis Member Posts: 345

    Originally posted by Benjola

    Yes, it will be financial sucess and it will be a game success for the Bioware and KOTOR fans, the SPRPG lovers, I agreed with that.

    It will be a MMORPG failure though, many seem to not understand what that means :)

    Am I on a site called MMORPG.com? any MMO gamers around?

    Considering you feel the need to continue posting. Why will this game be a failure in the MMO genre then.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by Benjola

    Yes, it will be financial sucess and it will be a game success for the Bioware and KOTOR fans, the SPRPG lovers, I agreed with that.

    It will be a MMORPG failure though, many seem to not understand what that means :)

    Am I on a site called MMORPG.com? any MMO gamers around?

    I think the problem you are having is that you are using your own personal definition for MMORPG. Perhaps you are trying to say that this game will be like WoW and not like UO or something. I don't know.

     

    Your definition just does not matter to me at all in any way. And I find that when you use your own personal definition as the entire basis for your argument, your credibility goes down.

  • MAnalogMAnalog Member Posts: 86


    Originally posted by Benjola
    Yes, it will be financial sucess and it will be a game success for the Bioware and KOTOR fans, the SPRPG lovers, I agreed with that.
    It will be a MMORPG failure though, many seem to not understand what that means :)
    Am I on a site called MMORPG.com? any MMO gamers around?

    Ok since I wasn't specific enough for you (ahem.. t r o l l). It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    I look forward to your deep & insightful reply.

  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843

    Originally posted by Kriosis

     

    E-thugs are terrifying, I assure you, you're not worth discussing. Feel free to leave at any moment.

    I will, when people stop quoting me and calling me names.

    Don't worry though, I don't report people, you are safe.

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • KriosisKriosis Member Posts: 345

    Originally posted by Benjola

    Originally posted by Kriosis


     

    E-thugs are terrifying, I assure you, you're not worth discussing. Feel free to leave at any moment.

    I will, when people stop quoting me and calling me names.

    Don't worry though, I don't report people, you are safe.

    Oh thank god, I'll be able to sleep tonight. You had me worried.

    Christ...

  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843

    Originally posted by MAnalog

    Ok since I wasn't specific enough for you (ahem.. t r o l l). It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    I look forward to your deep & insightful reply.

    I'm dieing to hear about the Bioware's MMORPG track record.

    Care to post a link?

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • MAnalogMAnalog Member Posts: 86

    sheesh someone called you a name on the internet? Will wonders ever cease?

  • KriosisKriosis Member Posts: 345

    Originally posted by Benjola

    Originally posted by MAnalog



    Ok since I wasn't specific enough for you (ahem.. t r o l l). It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    I look forward to your deep & insightful reply.

    I'm dieing to hear about the Bioware's MMORPG track record.

    Care to post a link?

    Irrelevant arguement. Ask blizzard.

  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843

    Originally posted by Kriosis

     

    Oh thank god, I'll be able to sleep tonight. You had me worried.

    Christ...

    You are not doing a great job of leting me move on to other things and I actually gave you very specific instructions...

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843

    Originally posted by MAnalog

     




    Originally posted by Benjola





    Originally posted by MAnalog



    Ok since I wasn't specific enough for you (ahem.. t r o l l). It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    I look forward to your deep & insightful reply.






    I'm dieing to hear about the Bioware's MMORPG track record.

    Care to post a link?




    No no lol no troll. You post your links first. Where is the link to a bad track record you think you know about. Since this is an opinion post of yours I posted my opinion.

    Batter-up!

    You know you got pwned and you know your effort to save face is weak :).

    My claim is:

    SW:TOR will be a massive failure as a MMORPG.

    Evidence is pretty much all info we have so far on the game, it can't even pass as a MMORPG, hence...a failure.

     

    Your claim is:

    It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    It's Bioware's first attempt at a MMORPG.

     

    Fail much?

     

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • mmogawdmmogawd Member Posts: 732

    Originally posted by Kriosis

    Originally posted by Benjola


    Originally posted by MAnalog



    Ok since I wasn't specific enough for you (ahem.. t r o l l). It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    I look forward to your deep & insightful reply.

    I'm dieing to hear about the Bioware's MMORPG track record.

    Care to post a link?

    Irrelevant arguement. Ask blizzard.

    Agreed.  Blizzard had an excellent trackrecord at making GAMES and was able to translate this into MMO's.  BioWare has a track record that is just as excellent, if not better.

  • MAnalogMAnalog Member Posts: 86


    Originally posted by Benjola

    Originally posted by MAnalog
     


    Originally posted by Benjola



    Originally posted by MAnalog

    Ok since I wasn't specific enough for you (ahem.. t r o l l). It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).
    I look forward to your deep & insightful reply.


    I'm dieing to hear about the Bioware's MMORPG track record.
    Care to post a link?



    No no lol no troll. You post your links first. Where is the link to a bad track record you think you know about. Since this is an opinion post of yours I posted my opinion.
    Batter-up!


    You know you got pwned and you know your effort to save face is weak :).
    My claim is:
    SW:TOR will be a massive failure as a MMORPG.
    Evidence is pretty much all info we have so far on the game, it can't even pass as a MMORPG, hence...a failure.
     
    Your claim is:
    It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).
    It's Bioware's first attempt at a MMORPG.
     
    Fail much?
     

    And I say it won't fail.

    try again.

  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843

    Originally posted by mmogawd

     

    Agreed.  Blizzard had an excellent trackrecord at making GAMES and was able to translate this into MMO's.  BioWare has a track record that is just as excellent, if not better.

    Yes I agree, that's why I've been saying all along how similar WoW and SW:TOR are.

    WoW came first so it's fair to call iTOR a WoW with lightsabers no?

    That's a compliment btw but others don't see it that way.

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • mmogawdmmogawd Member Posts: 732

    Originally posted by Benjola

    Originally posted by mmogawd


     

    Agreed.  Blizzard had an excellent trackrecord at making GAMES and was able to translate this into MMO's.  BioWare has a track record that is just as excellent, if not better.

    Yes I agree, that's why I've been saying all along how similar WoW and SW:TOR are.

    WoW came first so it's fair to call iTOR a WoW with lightsabers no?

    That's a compliment btw but others don't see it that way.

    You say it's WoW with lightsabers (how cool would that be?!?!), yet you also say that it's not an MMORPG.

    Strange...

  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843

    Originally posted by MAnalog

     




    Originally posted by Benjola





    Originally posted by MAnalog

     








    Originally posted by Benjola










    Originally posted by MAnalog



    Ok since I wasn't specific enough for you (ahem.. t r o l l). It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    I look forward to your deep & insightful reply.










    I'm dieing to hear about the Bioware's MMORPG track record.

    Care to post a link?








    No no lol no troll. You post your links first. Where is the link to a bad track record you think you know about. Since this is an opinion post of yours I posted my opinion.

    Batter-up!






    You know you got pwned and you know your effort to save face is weak :).

    My claim is:

    SW:TOR will be a massive failure as a MMORPG.

    Evidence is pretty much all info we have so far on the game, it can't even pass as a MMORPG, hence...a failure.

     

    Your claim is:

    It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    It's Bioware's first attempt at a MMORPG.

     

    Fail much?

     



    And I say it won't fail.

    try again.

    Try what?

    You seem to be fighting with yourself here lol.

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by mmogawd

    You say it's WoW with lightsabers (how cool would that be?!?!), yet you also say that it's not an MMORPG.

    Strange...

    It's because he doesn't know what an MMORPG is.

  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843

    Originally posted by mmogawd

    You say it's WoW with lightsabers (how cool would that be?!?!), yet you also say that it's not an MMORPG.

    Strange...

     

    That's because I don't consider WoW a MMORPG either...

    Shocker I know.

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • Asmiroth20Asmiroth20 Member Posts: 346

    Originally posted by Benjola

    Originally posted by mmogawd


     

    Agreed.  Blizzard had an excellent trackrecord at making GAMES and was able to translate this into MMO's.  BioWare has a track record that is just as excellent, if not better.

    Yes I agree, that's why I've been saying all along how similar WoW and SW:TOR are.

    WoW came first so it's fair to call iTOR a WoW with lightsabers no?

    That's a compliment btw but others don't see it that way.

        KOTOR in MMO form with playtime (story alone, not counting endgame/pvp and such) said to be in the range of 8 Mass Effect trilogies with the polish of WoW...  Yes, please.  I think that would keep me entertained and quite content for some time, long enough for them to add more arcs and the like.

        Might be a dream, but a man can dream.

  • MAnalogMAnalog Member Posts: 86

    See Ben, you actually need to prove to me that they won't make a good MMORPG. You have said nothing to defend your "opinion" as of yet. And I really doubt you ever will.

    Was fun playing with you. See ya in SW:ToR!

  • mmogawdmmogawd Member Posts: 732

    Originally posted by Benjola

    Originally posted by mmogawd



    You say it's WoW with lightsabers (how cool would that be?!?!), yet you also say that it's not an MMORPG.

    Strange...

     

    That's because I don't consider WoW a MMORPG either...

    Shocker I know.

    Ah, so there's no point in even trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.  Got it.

  • KriosisKriosis Member Posts: 345

    Originally posted by Benjola

    Originally posted by MAnalog

     




    Originally posted by Benjola






    Originally posted by MAnalog



    Ok since I wasn't specific enough for you (ahem.. t r o l l). It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    I look forward to your deep & insightful reply.







    I'm dieing to hear about the Bioware's MMORPG track record.

    Care to post a link?





    No no lol no troll. You post your links first. Where is the link to a bad track record you think you know about. Since this is an opinion post of yours I posted my opinion.

    Batter-up!

    You know you got pwned and you know your effort to save face is weak :).

    My claim is:

    SW:TOR will be a massive failure as a MMORPG.

    Evidence is pretty much all info we have so far on the game, it can't even pass as a MMORPG, hence...a failure.

     

    Your claim is:

    It will be a successful MMORPG(again based on the track record).

    It's Bioware's first attempt at a MMORPG.

     

    Fail much?

     

    Let me explain to you how wrong you are, so you can ignore it and carry on with this pointless reposting of what you said before. Keyword in your post is "info", highlighted it for you. If you want "info" I've got your info.

    Open World


    • Quote James Olhen: Our game is very open. We’ve developed several worlds, and each of those worlds is wide open, huge worlds with many square kilometers and you’re able to explore those worlds any way you want - E3 TenTonHammer June 2010

    • After talking about the smaller starter planet of Hutta: Quote: "It took a little under an hour to roam from one end of Hutta to the next, but that was on pretty much a straight line with only a couple little side ventures."- E3 Torocast June 2010 (A)

    • Quote: The worlds are open WoW style, where they are separated by zones, with seamless loading time between them all. - E3 Torocast June 2010

    • Quote :"There is exploration, there is combat, it is a wide-open world" - MMOGamer - Blaine Christine

    • It looks possible that Open World PvP is available in game as seen in Video (ofc it could just be a PvP Server)- Combat Dev. Vid.

    • Quote Rich Vogel: We will have open PvP play and we will have instances, I'll just put it that way. - E3 Massively June 2010

    Grouping


     

    • If grouped with friends, their companions will also interact with you during dialogue scenes as you talk to others - PC Gamer UK April 2010

    • If your grouped and on a quest, in an instance, with another person, who is not on the same quest, once the quest holder enters the instance it allows the none quest person to enter - E3 Torocast June 2010 (A)

    • World Quests – These are your standard MMO/RPG quests that you can pick up as you perform other tasks either in group or solo.

    • World Arcs – These are grand far reaching quests designed to be done in a group but can just about be done solo.

    • Flashpoints (or dungeons) - Designed to be done as a group.

     


    Servers


     

    • Quote from James Olhen: "The number of players per server will be comparable to WoW" - PC Gamer UK April 2010

    • They are looking into seperate servers for PvP, RP etc as an option. - StarWarsMMO

    What else you want info on?

  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843

    Prove can only be presented few months after launch no?

    See ya then.

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by Benjola

    Prove can only be presented few months after launch no?

    See ya then.

    bye.

  • Trident9259Trident9259 Member UncommonPosts: 860

    Originally posted by colddog04

    Originally posted by Troneas


    Originally posted by Moaky07

     This.

     

    SWG couldnt beat out EQ, and WoW took the genre to a whole new lvl. If sandbox didnt get it done the first time around, then why the heck would they of done another one?

     

    I find it ironic Pigozz is heralding BG. A game made by BW no less, and by no means a sandbox.

    I also find it comical that if a game doesnt go the route of a sandbox economic simulator, then it is marketed towards the Farmville crowd. Or it is the "McDonalds of MMOs"....IE lacking quality.

    LOL.

     

    i choked on my coca cola after that one.

    You choked because it happens to be true that WoW brought more players to the MMORPG scene than any other game in history? 

     

    You choked because you think the game is bad and have a hard time accepting that it was insanely influential and popular?

     

    You choked because you think the game brought the genre to a whole OLD level?

     

    You choked because you never knew that WoW was a genre game changer?

     

    You choked because you accidentally sipped your coke incorrectly?

    i chocked because WoW didnt bring the genre to any new level.

     

    what has WoW introduced that was revolutionary that made all other games become better?

     

    what has WoW re-invented that made MMOs become better?

     

    What has WoW DONE that affected the online gaming industry for the better?

     

    if you can answer any of those questions instead of acting like an overly excited 10 year old then we might just be able to discuss this; as well as sticking to the original question instead of coming out with new ones to prove your point (whatever that point is...)

     

    WoW DUMBED down a system of play and it became linear, accessible, and for all intents and purposes "easier" to understand and get involved and in doing so produced a quality product and attracted a huge amount of people to its game - most whom were not considered mmo gamers and who have not gone out to play other MMOs aside from WoW. 

    almost every other game tried to imitate the formula that already existed before WoW but had not been done with such care, support, quality and polish. 

     

    So claiming that WoW took the genre to a new level is actually quite ridiculous because 

     

    1. mmos have become overall shallower.

    2. imitating WoW has not yet  proven to be the winning formula. 

    3. WoW didnt invent anything new. 

    4. games are out to imitate WoW instead of risking new features and gameplay machanics.

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