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Cylone vs Borg......Who would win???
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Given your knowledge on both groups who would win if the encounter were to happen?
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Cylons only use conventional weapons such as nukes and missiles.
Hmm, a Cylon in the midst of the Borg potentially changing the collective consciousness.
Hmm, Borgs mad adaptation skiznills.
Damn, tough choice.
Borg would win, because they would assimilate the Cylons, adding all of their knowledge to the collective and using that to assimilate the remaining Cylons.
The Borg adapt to each new race through assimilation further enhancing the collective mind. They would just enhance the Borg by becoming part of it. There is no " take over of the Borg" because the collective mind uses of all knowledge gained through assimilating other races to enhance their collective. That IS what they are.
But the Borg don't have much beyond shields. The Cylons self replicate and could overcome losses much faster that the Borg who would have to assimilate other living organisms, preferably humanoid type creatures. Would the Borg be on the offense or defense? I can see no reason for them to attempt to take over the cylone race. On the other hand the cylone would see the Borg as a threat and require extermination. We would assume it would begin with a ship to ship battle but if boarding took place I feel this is where the cylone would have a superior advantage.
Could the Borg assimilate a machine entity???
The cylons are also a reptilian species, and yes, the Borg itself is part machine as well. The borg uses the power of the collective mind and would incorporate the Cylons into that mind, the cylons would become a part of the borg, and would have access to all the abilities of the cylons as well.
I think the Cylons only advantage would be to infiltrate the borg ship and hack them or affect the collective consciousness in some way. The Borg were always susceptible to a few people just beaming aboard their ship because they didn't view them as a threat.
Who knows, maybe the Cylons would be more than happy to be assimilated because it's just another part of Gods plan.
I still think that even if they hacked them, they would become part of the Borg machine at that point. The collective mind would be able to reprogram the cylons, because the borgs specialty is Reprogramming.
I agree with you. Borgs are hardcore at adapting. I think it would make a pretty awesome episode of Star Trek. lol
I don't know enough about Cylones to render an opinion. But don't forget the Borg got whooped by Species 8472 before the crew of the Voyager came to the Borg's aid. It happened because the Borg were unable to assimilate them.
Though species 8472 were immune to Assimilation due to their virulent cells, With the aid of humans the Borg were able to develop a warhead with nanoprobes that was effective against them. When comparing the technology of Cylon vs Borg tech, I still think that Borg tech is superior in the long run due to it's adaptability.
Uh oh My geek is showing! * covers that back up* LOL!
i can't believe i'm having to clear this mess up.
let's recall that even DATA was NEARLY swallowed up by the borg via neural net link when he was trying to help to find a way to stop the borg.
Data's solution was to tell the borg to enter their regeneration cycle and it bought them just and i mean JUST enough time to get picard free from their control.
The borg ship did overload due to a power feedback loop...again because they prematurely entered naturation cycle.
FACT: DATA STILL got assimilated in first contact, his superior processing power still became subject to the collective... (albeit willingly in an attempt to try and stop them once again...but DATA FAILED IN THIS TASK)
were it not for picard's assist, data would have eventually shown he was trying to betray the queen and the borg would have eventually overcome the encrypted computer lockout put in place by data...why?
beacuse the borg... ADAPT.
even projectile weapons that the cylons fire will be adapted by energy shields in two seconds....or certainly after a borg drone or two are killed.
The cylon nukes will have ZERO effect on a borg ship.....ZERO. Starfleet shields can withstand a nuke at zero range back when kirk was captain.....so 80 years later a borg ship can't handle a nuke but it can handle a fleet of ships at wolf 359 effortlessly?
EPIC cylon fail.
The borg will hack them on every level and shut them off like the toasters they are.
period. the end.
that parts isnt correct at all. The borg can not adapt to kinetic energy hits ( or you wouldnt be able to hit then with a fist like worf and data and other ST officers do) they have been punched for years im sure and they still can get hit by a fist in TNG and STV etc they can not adapt to kinetic damage on a drone level.
Actually in the books the federation deafeat the borg regualrly using rifles .. TK-somethings called t-rex's b/c of the roar they make when fired. they can not adapt to kinetic hits so slinging pieces of metal at them really tears them up on a drone level. For a cube hitting them with mass drivers almost worked except borg can repair faster than mass drivers can shoot plus they use the projectile itself to be rendered into material to repair the holes punched in the cube.
The way to engage them now is board a MAKO squad with 21st century era rifles(t-rex's) and eleminate the drones. the cube dies without drones or did until the borg "evolved" and no longer require or even rely on the linked mind thing anymore. and one cube actually became a borg itself. nasty thing it even thought about taking down q.
so cylons could possibly take down the drones if they could get aboard the cubes and spheres. guess it comes down to numbers .. who has more.
gad im a nerd.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
NERD!
First some Borg related facts...err sci-fi 'facts'.
In the movie Star Trek First Contact Piccard while being chased by borg went to the holodeck and used holographic bullets to kill the 2 borg chasing him. While its true they had bodyarmour same as shields the shields were useless and couldnt adapt and the armour could be pearced.
The Borg are HEAVILLY reliant on Conmputers for there ships there collective and there implants.
The Borg dont wast resources so only send what they think is needed.
Cylon facts based on newest incarnation....pun not intended.
Most advanced ones resemble Humans inside and out.
Cylons have advanced A.I programs and superior programming to Borg versions as they rely on organichardware hybrids.
They have a form of groupe mind [take note i did not say a collective one as there are many differences].
Very willing to self suicide if needed and download in a new body.
Reliant on missiles and kinetic wepons...oh and nukes.
Will outnumber Borg in indervidual battles based on land or in ships.
Personally i think the Cylons will have an edge tho it will be close. below is a plausable scenario.
A borg scout ship detects say a remote cylon basestar, after deciding its worthy of investigation and deciding assimilation from a small 9 borg crew is unwise a larger ship say a sphere determined to be the best use of resources for an initial scouting operation arrives. The stars wepons do little as with beaming tech the borg after determining where the organic crew are just beam over to assimilate them and take controll of the ship for study.
However
Seeing there is seemingly no chance some of the cylons suicide to warn the cylons elsewhere. The other cylons get assimilated now its very debatable what happens here tho, Do there minds join the collective being artaficial do they sensing the nature of the borg collective quickly find some access codes then tell the others so they can download some advaced A.I. programming into the sphere's computers disrupting and shutting the Borg down. Bear in mind Assimilation is not instant and you can immagine after being injected with nanites and physically disabled they would for a while be ignored while the borg take controll of the ship.
However
The ship itself is alive and has a very sophisticated A.I would it too try an A.I. attack directly into the borgs minds [who are interfaced with the ship therefore open to viruses/Trojans].
Also what if the borg scout after deciding the cylons care technologically inferior ignors them. And when a cylon or 2 bourds the ship and are probably ignored could have thee computers infected with a trojan.
This was a VERY fun topic myself i am a cylon fan my father however thinks the Borg are great. Definatly talking to him about this topic...sounds fun
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
HOLD UP!
if you think the borg can't adapt to kinetic weapons you lost your nerd's hat pal!!!!
3 borg killed TOPS, then their energy shields would adapt. period.
they adapted to rotating bandwidth and frequencies in like 4 shots. kinetic weapons are finite and easily defeated....
fact. TODAY in the world we have body armor that can defeat kinetic bullets....and the borg can'T?????!!!!!
to quote someone... give me a fracking break! :P
If you are speaking of the original series, then yes, Cylons were reptillian. However, in the reimagined series (much better imo), they were not - they were machine.
So, in terms of the Cylons - no, not the centurions. However, skin jobs may be vulnerable, but possibly not because although they are flesh and blood, they are still cybernetic and cannot be "hacked". Look at Star Trek: First Contact. Data could not be assimilated because they could not hack his positronic brain. Something similar with the cylons could make them resistant.
In a pure ship to ship battle, a base star would lose to a Borg cube. Ships in BSG do not have shields. They have a form of polarized plating as in Enterprise (with Scott Bakula) and would be ripped to shreds. Where Cylons would have the advantage is the sheer number of Raiders.
On Star Trek though, the Borg had adapted and DID hack Federation ships. They were hacking the computers turning Federation ships into Borg Ships. The Borg are cyborgenetic as well, and have their programing speciality as reprogramming, so I think that would give them an advantage because I see it very likely they would reprogram the cylons just as they reprogram other species, their ships, and reprogram borg once they reenter the collective.
As long as the Cylons do not have viral cells, I would think that the Borg could assimilate them easily. The borg would gain all Cylon technology just by assimilating one into the collective.
Once the Cylon program becomes part of the Borg Hive mind, all their bases belong to us! LOL
They hacked ships, yes. Cylons hacked BSG's ships as well when they finally networked them. I am speaking of hacking their brains. They could not "hack" Data because his encrypted neural nets - possibly the same with the Cylons.
The Cylons weakness, however, would be the resurrection ship. If the Borg assimilated that, then Cylons would be SOL.
God, we're fraking geeks.
....a point of contention please....
DATA was not hacked in the movie, correct.... but if the borg had more time he would have been hacked.
It was just a matter of time until they were able to unlock the enterprise e's computer core....data did use high encryption, but they continued to work on it up to the very moment he blew out the cooling conduit.....the borg do not get tired, they do not stop .....data was on borrowed time.
and picard knew this....he came back for data to try and help him because data came to help picard when picard was assimilated....
but... if you recall... it was picard that reached out to data when he was locutus, picard was able to tell data how to hack the borg ship. "sleep. data."
by the way all books point out that was a complete fluke.....picard should not have been able to do that.
face facts guys... the federation has been simply lucky to hold off the borg as they did. every time.
need i remind you of Arturis, and the famed ship U.S.S.Dauntless... a ship built by a FAR advanced race than the federation who were wiped out by the borg after the war against species 8472 was turned in the borg's favor.
"ARTURIS: Typical of Captain Janeway: self-righteous. Diplomacy, Captain. Your 'diplomacy' destroyed my world! You negotiated an agreement with the Borg Collective - safe passage through their space. You helped them defeat one of their enemies. Did it ever occur to you that there were those of us in the Delta Quadrant with a vested interest in that war? Victory would have meant annihilation of the Borg, but you couldn't see beyond the bow of your own ship! Who are you to make that decision, a stranger to this Quadrant?!"
Nah. They would not have been able to hack his neural net. They knew this - that is why they offered him something to seduce him - skin.
The Cylons would be able to create a neurolytic pathogen such as Janeway did in the Voyager finale and completely annihilate all Borg in vicinity.
I agree Data would have been hacked if they had been given more time, but of course they couldn;t allow that to happen or it would mean game over for Star Trek. LOL
You also have to take into consideration that the Borg have assimilated humans as well now, and gained access to that knowledge as well. They gain access to knowledge from just about every species in the Universe, so it would just be a matter of time before they have all stengths and weaknesses figured out from everything that exists, including the Cylons.
Cylon ships are fragile, and do not have the endurance of Borg defense. The Cylon ships do not last long in battle and I do not think it would take long for the Borg to realize this and use this to their advantage to push through absorbing all fire from cylons to reach their target destination for assimilation. This would give them access to the Cylon resurrection much more quickly than trying to just fight every Cylon attacking them.
Their adaptability, assimilation, reprogramming abilities and hive mind would give them quite an advantage over the Cylons who appear to be quite clueless.
I soo think they would have hacked Data given the time.
Just they thought it more kinky to seduce an android. The head Borg Bish was really a freak like that..
I'd love a new star trek movie - Star Trek: Rise of the Borg.
I've always wanted to know the history behind the species who made themselves Borg.
we do know the borg were "borg as we know them" during Archer's time as captain...so even earlier than that...maybe before space travel?