Having realistic game-worlds really doesn't make any sense. You wouldn't have to run for an hour to cross the world, you'd have to run for *MONTHS* if not *YEARS* to get from one side to the other, assuming the world was Earth-sized. Never mind the detailing, having to go to the other side of the planet for a quest would be absurd unless you have magical teleporting technology or somesuch.
Planes?..
Well, since everyone was talking about running, I was assuming a fantasy MMO where you wouldn't have planes. Maybe flying mounts or something, I suppose. Still, you'd be looking at 15-20 hours to fly to the other side of the planet on a plane...
Right, I see that now. It only reinforces how off you were though.
If something goes 13.5 AU/second, it is going fast enough to make the EVE universe seem realistic. If a ship can go 5 AU/second (which they do in EVE), then it would only take 20 seconds to go 100 AU - not 14 hours.
This is correct no matter how retarded I was when I converted AU to miles.
Obviously. He qualified his statement by saying he didn't remember if warp speed in eve was speed of light or not. His calculations were not off based on his assumptions, unlike yours.
All that needed to be said was that his assumption on Eve's warp speed was incorrect.
I'm going to have to say VANGUARD, and I'm going to have to DISAGREE with EVE. Why? Because we're talking outerspace here. There is no damn way to make that realistic (thank god) because EVEN IF YOU TRAVELED AT LIGHT SPEED or FASTER.....you would take YEARS to get from one place to the next even with those stupid portals they use in that game that go from place to place.
I just think claiming EVE is the most realistic in scale is just....stupid. It's the most impossible of all games in existence TO BE realistically scaled, so that is just ridiculous to claim that. Sorry, EVE fans. Not saying your game isn't great, but that's ONE claim you can not reasonably make.
EDIT: And before I get a gob of people railing at me for saying this. Think about it. You could CLAIM this no matter what because all you have to do to "justify" this kind of phony claim is say that the travel speed is "blah blah blah" and make that speed fit to support your claim. That way the developers don't actually have to MAKE THE WORLD (universes, galaxies) actually realistically SCALED....they can just CLAIM they are because you're traveling at "such and such" imaginary speed.
Right, I see that now. It only reinforces how off you were though.
If something goes 13.5 AU/second, it is going fast enough to make the EVE universe seem realistic. If a ship can go 5 AU/second (which they do in EVE), then it would only take 20 seconds to go 100 AU - not 14 hours.
This is correct no matter how retarded I was when I converted AU to miles.
Obviously. He qualified his statement by saying he didn't remember if warp speed in eve was speed of light or not. His calculations were not off based on his assumptions, unlike yours.
All that needed to be said was that his assumption on Eve's warp speed was incorrect.
His calculations were ENTIRELY based on assumptions. He tried to propose the idea that EVE was the most unrealistic MMORPG on the market in scale by saying that ships at max speed travel somewhere just under the speed of light. Which was a false assumption.
Unlike him, my calculations were not based on assumptions. They were based on an incorrect conversion. There is a difference and I admitted my mistake pretty quickly after someone pointed it out.
All that needed to be said had already been said before you had posted.
I'm going to have to say VANGUARD, and I'm going to have to DISAGREE with EVE. Why? Because we're talking outerspace here. There is no damn way to make that realistic (thank god) because EVEN IF YOU TRAVELED AT LIGHT SPEED or FASTER.....you would take YEARS to get from one place to the next even with those stupid portals they use in that game that go from place to place.
I just think claiming EVE is the most realistic in scale is just....stupid. It's the most impossible of all games in existence TO BE realistically scaled, so that is just ridiculous to claim that. Sorry, EVE fans. Not saying your game isn't great, but that's ONE claim you can not reasonably make.
EDIT: And before I get a gob of people railing at me for saying this. Think about it. You could CLAIM this no matter what because all you have to do to "justify" this kind of phony claim is say that the travel speed is "blah blah blah" and make that speed fit to support your claim. That way the developers don't actually have to MAKE THE WORLD (universes, galaxies) actually realistically SCALED....they can just CLAIM they are because you're traveling at "such and such" imaginary speed.
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I agree completely.
If you can make the arguement that EVE is the biggest scaled game because of the ability to warp from place to place, WoW would actually be a close second since the Outlands is another planet - you travel there, and Azeroth and Outlands are on other sides of the galaxy or something, so totally WoW is totally huge.
The other problem with mentioning EVE in these scale comparisons is that regardless of how big the universe is claimed to be, it's completely impersonal. Every system is practically the same. An earthlike planet or two, some gas giants, a sun, some moons, and some asteroid fields. Toss in some stations which, aside from cosmetic differences, are virtually the same. There's no variety like you see in land-based games. No desert regions to the south, forested areas in temperate zones, frozen tundras to the north, etc. Nothing to really differentiate one area from the next other than a name.
I'm not knocking EVE by any means, but it's scale is meaningless in comparison considering its setting.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
The other problem with mentioning EVE in these scale comparisons is that regardless of how big the universe is claimed to be, it's completely impersonal. Every system is practically the same. An earthlike planet or two, some gas giants, a sun, some moons, and some asteroid fields. Toss in some stations which, aside from cosmetic differences, are virtually the same. There's no variety like you see in land-based games. No desert regions to the south, forested areas in temperate zones, frozen tundras to the north, etc. Nothing to really differentiate one area from the next other than a name.
I'm not knocking EVE by any means, but it's scale is meaningless in comparison considering its setting.
Absolutely agreed. EvE is basically a bunch of screensavers. You get identical asteroid fields, one or two gate models, one or two station models and... nothing else. EvE looks beautiful until you realize that once you've seen their collection of screensavers, you've seen it all. You can't even interact with the majority of things in a system, it's just eye candy.
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Well, since everyone was talking about running, I was assuming a fantasy MMO where you wouldn't have planes. Maybe flying mounts or something, I suppose. Still, you'd be looking at 15-20 hours to fly to the other side of the planet on a plane...
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Obviously. He qualified his statement by saying he didn't remember if warp speed in eve was speed of light or not. His calculations were not off based on his assumptions, unlike yours.
All that needed to be said was that his assumption on Eve's warp speed was incorrect.
I'm going to have to say VANGUARD, and I'm going to have to DISAGREE with EVE. Why? Because we're talking outerspace here. There is no damn way to make that realistic (thank god) because EVEN IF YOU TRAVELED AT LIGHT SPEED or FASTER.....you would take YEARS to get from one place to the next even with those stupid portals they use in that game that go from place to place.
I just think claiming EVE is the most realistic in scale is just....stupid. It's the most impossible of all games in existence TO BE realistically scaled, so that is just ridiculous to claim that. Sorry, EVE fans. Not saying your game isn't great, but that's ONE claim you can not reasonably make.
EDIT: And before I get a gob of people railing at me for saying this. Think about it. You could CLAIM this no matter what because all you have to do to "justify" this kind of phony claim is say that the travel speed is "blah blah blah" and make that speed fit to support your claim. That way the developers don't actually have to MAKE THE WORLD (universes, galaxies) actually realistically SCALED....they can just CLAIM they are because you're traveling at "such and such" imaginary speed.
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His calculations were ENTIRELY based on assumptions. He tried to propose the idea that EVE was the most unrealistic MMORPG on the market in scale by saying that ships at max speed travel somewhere just under the speed of light. Which was a false assumption.
Unlike him, my calculations were not based on assumptions. They were based on an incorrect conversion. There is a difference and I admitted my mistake pretty quickly after someone pointed it out.
All that needed to be said had already been said before you had posted.
its WW2 online, its 1/2 scale of Europe
There are bigger, but man does anyone else remember the pre-tp and increases in run speed trip across the karanas in eq1? yech. That was a trip.
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I agree completely.
If you can make the arguement that EVE is the biggest scaled game because of the ability to warp from place to place, WoW would actually be a close second since the Outlands is another planet - you travel there, and Azeroth and Outlands are on other sides of the galaxy or something, so totally WoW is totally huge.
The other problem with mentioning EVE in these scale comparisons is that regardless of how big the universe is claimed to be, it's completely impersonal. Every system is practically the same. An earthlike planet or two, some gas giants, a sun, some moons, and some asteroid fields. Toss in some stations which, aside from cosmetic differences, are virtually the same. There's no variety like you see in land-based games. No desert regions to the south, forested areas in temperate zones, frozen tundras to the north, etc. Nothing to really differentiate one area from the next other than a name.
I'm not knocking EVE by any means, but it's scale is meaningless in comparison considering its setting.
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I tried forgetting those man
Absolutely agreed. EvE is basically a bunch of screensavers. You get identical asteroid fields, one or two gate models, one or two station models and... nothing else. EvE looks beautiful until you realize that once you've seen their collection of screensavers, you've seen it all. You can't even interact with the majority of things in a system, it's just eye candy.
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