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Allods Online "More Free to Play than Ever"
withintempt
Member Posts: 75
I just wanted to see who saw Allods Online's announcement about being more F2P than ever:
http://allods.gpotato.com/news/2010/10/25/allods-is-now-more-free-to-play-than-ever/
They have a maintenance tonight that will allow players to earn some CS items through in-game quests that some people complained about in the past, because some players said it's too hard to get cash shop items, and didn't think obtaining cash shop items from the ingame auction house was good enough.
Now with this change and after today, how do you think things will change? Have any of you played before and will come back due to this change to give cash shop items from quests?
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I never used the AH in allods but considering the AHs in other games I suppose people were pissed at the ridiculous prices for popular items (such as the cash shop stuff). So now they have quests to get some of those items. Karma is being served and I'm glad.
I may, a very big MAY come back as I hate f2p games with a passion but allods is interesting enough to hold my interest for a while. If I do it would not be due to the new quests. It would be more of an attempt to alleviate boredom.
They must be really desperate. I remember players leaving en masse after they revealed the item shop, and then even more leaving after the FoD mechanic was introduced.
I personally hope they will go down, it's what they deserve for their extreme greed.
I'll give Allods a new try. With the earlier event where you could win some cash shop items (and I won quite a bit), I thought it was fun. But to pay daily for incense made me leave... Now with incense (and other CS items) as daily quest I'd love to give it an other look.
Too bad that the patcher seems broken. It's on 95% for hours already
How does wanting money to compensate the 100+ people who work 40+ hours a week on this game equal greed? Implementing a cash shop that players didn't like is incompetence, but it sure isn't greed.
You honestly think they have 100+ people working on this game fulltime? It would be shocking if the allods team (on gpots side) is more than 15.
When cash shop use becomes required (to not die to mobs equal to your lvl) and cost more money overall than paying for 5 different sub MMOs at once and required to do so as long as you wish to continue playing.... Then yes you an call the greed card or a serious miscalculation made by someone in the office.
Well there definately has to be a reason why the top two shot callers for Allods Online from Gpotato are no longer working there.
1. the game was ruined by the greed and the deciet Gpotato tried to pull over everyones eyes.
2. they wouldn't listen to their customer base.
3. we aren't a customer base who just do what we are told North american customer base are opinionated.
4. straight out LIEing to the customers at public interviews.
5. adding additional mechanics which caused non game play related death Just to force more cash shop item sales.
6. removing EVERY last cash shop item quest within the game to force cash shop use.
7. Nephy banning / giving forum warnings for ANYONE who quoted GM's and their "Completely Free to play Slogon"
(this one personally happened to me and many of my guild mates.)
8. Debuffing everyone to force the use of Incense.
9. making it easier to die to force the use of Charmes (may be cheap but its still theft)
all in all its still published by the most decietful greedy mitigating company in the north american market. They not only want to bait n switch you to force you to use their cash shop but they intentionally work with the developer to design flaws in the game which force you to use cash shop in a claim "Completely free to play game" False advertisement.
And NOW only NOW after they have realized how badly they have destroyed this games community population they finally decide to bring back the daily incense quest and charme quest. Bugs are still not fixed but atleast it now is finally "Completely Free to Play"
I honestly don't understand why people are willing to play a game when the company behind it is so dishonest and has done everything in their power to try and cheat customers and then lie about it and then defend their actions with more lies.
STOP CONDONING this type of business activity and fight for your rights especially if you are like me, a PAYING customer.
STOP paying for and stop supporting Business that has a recent record of doing bad business. DEMAND More because we are the Customers, we will pay to play games so why not demand Quality not only from the game but from the publisher too!
By playing the game you are accepting their behavior
by playing the game you are condoning the behavior
by playing the game you are allowing businesses like this to feel free to treat people any way they wish even if its Illegal.
I say we stop and demand something better.
Because people have continued to support these horrible companys the internet is FILLED with Free 2 play companys who are just providing the most horrible quality in games and in customer / public relations.
if we as gamers start demanding Better treatment and Better games then maybe these companys would stop trying to rip us off and actually make some decent money off of their customers because we'd be willing to pay to play even if its "Completely Free"
DDO, LOTRO, etc. Are all trying new ways to bring in money and labeling them Free-to-play. But they're all different.
Allods tried something new as well. I didn't like their version so I quit. But they're just trying to figure out how to monetize a game that had a very big budget.
The funny thing is that the method they had come up with was perfect for me. I don't get much time to play so I can't justify a monthly fee. Doing a small, pay-as-you-go fee was ideal but I didn't like the method they chose.
Now that they have relaxed the pay requirements I am returning with no bad feelings.
The idea that they have changed things is the best result. They realize they couldn't survive with the pay model they had chosen.
I just hope that enough people return so that this high-quality game survives.
Their methods behind forcing players to play are illegal in the United States.
Plain and simple they did everything in their power to lie cheat and steal from their customers.
Maybe you didn't follow as closely as I did with my guild on massively.com and their public interviews but we did and we know what they did.
I had a position in the game as a Player Advisery Board member and I know the crap they tried to pull.
plain and simple those other games you mentioned are up front with thier monetary tactics but Gpotato flat out did some decietful underhanded things to try and mitigate their greed.
some people blame gpotato for the changes to the game but those type of things come from developers. It's always like this for MMOs. At least the developers saw the effects that have occurred in the past and put in the quests last week. Hopefully more people will see the good in this change. I think it's cool for any old players and lucky for new players too because they get something they did not have to fight for like others did.
Allods its a very nice game in itselfs if it would be p2p i would sub for it but as it is now f2p with all the retardet mechanics ill never comeback .
I stopped playing my warrior at lvl 38 or 48 dont remmber it was close before lvl cap and after that i heard they fked the game even more up lol...
For me there are only 2 types of mmo that i play p2p an b2p no fraking way ill play fkin f2p shit games with theyre ripp off strategies and dont talk about how im wroong kiddies go play for few years p2p and than go play f2p than u know what i mean .
F2p are just waste of time games
I am the punishment of God...
If you had not committed great sins,
God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you
Genghis Khan
GPotato always have had a sour reputation for shafting their own developers on certain games and changing game mechanics around to suit a NA audience whether its negative or not. The Russian version of this game is a little bit better due to better management over there and communication with developers. Thanks to Gpotato and their crap management and GMs, the game went from overhyped beta, to downtrodden fiasco. I say their pretty desperate when they start putting in old features just to appease a critical player base.
You said Russian version is better because they have better communication with the developers? The Russian version are the developers.....
Gpotato are just teh publishers like any mmo publisher with an out-of-country developers. None of the game changing decisions are made by them. They all come from the developers.
I'd like to get back on the topic of Allods being "More Free to Play than Ever". If anyone has any doubts about this, it's a lie of course. If it had stated that is was more Free to Play than since before the Gipat patch, they'd be right. But than "ever", get real here, who are they kidding? Nobody who played this game from the start will agree with that, unless they're paid to agree.
Waiting for Guild Wars 2, and maybe SWTOR until that time...
I've seen players post on their forums who are end game raiders that say they haven't bought directly from the CS and just got their stuff from farming gold and stuff, so it possible to get by without buying directly from CS.
Without buying directly from CS, true. Not without buying from CS. Some people pay for several people in their guild, true enough. Some farm surveys ad nauseum, some farmed in game gold (harder now) to sell that gold for CS items. Some can say they haven't sunk a cent of real money into the game, true, but when it comes down to it, someone's gotta pay for them to play. No way around it. While this may be true for quite a few F2P games, "More Free to Play than Ever" is simply a lie, period. There's no denying that without lying, is there?
Waiting for Guild Wars 2, and maybe SWTOR until that time...
Thats part of the alure of hte cash shops...
You really never have to use them...they just make the game easier.
Saying you have to buy from them to play is the biggest lie of all.
Yeah the XP x 10 effect for an hour is helpful....the Life or SPirit Battery item is also helpful...but not needed
Sure they are prefered...but definately never needed
And i agree with the above poster....saying the game isnt more free to play.....i think thats impossible.....i mean you cant be more free then free....
Its like those crazy people who call you up on the phone and say : You have won a free watch and this and that.."
And you say: "great...send it to me"
to which they quickly respond: "oh but you have to buy magazine subscriptions first"
Anywise i had to respond...becasue i really respect the cash shop using games....
I especialy respect the the games that have cash shops that do a really good job of reeling people in..
Though i have to say....the one for Atlantica ONline scares the heck out of me....
Because i know people are not stupid....but if anyone has played that game knows...there are some people who...seam to have alot of cash to spend...the gambling items in that game are like 10 american dollars each....so when you see someone win the top prizes which happens alot in that game...that just scares me....to think just how much money was spent to get that prize....or if they used in game cash to get the cash shop money...just how much time they spent getting that money to do that.
No, I'll not go back to allods.
Why? Lost all my respect for all those GM's lying in my face, first saying that the "Revelations" where an answer to our request, no more FoD they said (no more a lot of thigs I say), second they kept saying that it was a good patch and the players that left didnt even tryied it out (wrong and wrong), third always saying that the servers were packed with players (wrong again).
My main issue was the Incense and Runes that gave waaaay to much advantage.... And let me explain my experience... Knowing the patch was coming, I stashed some incense...
My paladin for example, pre-patch could easily kill a couple of mobs X the same lvl, after patch I almost die facing ONE mob X ONE lvl lower (really, I'm not joking, my hit dmg incredibly low and they hit like a hammer...).... Used some incense, voilá, magic happens, I was a god, slaping those mobs with a finger, easy to kill a group of the same monsters wich i had problems to kill without incense.
About the packed servers, I stayed with Allods... around 2 weeks after doomsday... And the ghosts set in.... The empire side..... Nezegrab a LOT of less people... Holy Lands.... Teamed up with 3 more guild members (there was 2 more empire dudes in that area) and we roamed around, invaded the League camp, and in 2 hours only found 3 league players.... I had incense on, so I engaged 2 league players (one same lvl, other one lvl higher)... surprise surprise..... I won..... The dmg i could give and the healing that I had.... no chance.... The other zones after Holy Lands, empty as well ( the players there you could count with your hands... and you can have less fingers and still count all off them!!!).
The incense price in AH was WAAAAAAAAAAY HIGH..... if not mistaken..... 100G for 20 units... 24 hour incense... and 20G for 1 incense 24 hours... I have a life, I'm not a hardcore player that can grind for a week so I can get 100G's to buy incense... when i only play like 2... 3 hours a day.... sending to trash the rest of the 21 hours left on the item...
And now, several months after... after all those lies they step back and still dont admit the bad move they made... and expect me to come crawling back like I dont have other games to play?
Sorry no-can-do's-ville baby doll, allods was a hell of a game, but now is dead to me.
Cheerz
Why you all bother posting for this game?We all know this game was ruined because of producer with his stupid patches.
Now only blind players will play this game,and pay for it.This is and it will remain a pay to win.and don't ask why look for ya selfs and realise. But now im kind a happy and sad in the same time,when i saw Rise of Gorluxor patch.It has new things with bad and god stuff.You can get a free daily incense effect,Friends list is now fuctional again(it's about timee you guys....for this f*** fix.lol) this is he good part that i saw and the bad ones: they keep nerfing clases(damn),and the Rune is lvl 13 now.....and if you say this game is not pay to winn...you must be blind and has no brayn to think a bitXD.
And once again, why ppl bother with this game anyway?XD
People still play this game because we stuck with it for a long time and see that it's one of the best f2p MMO's on the f2p market and that's something that anyoen who has played the game for a long time can deny.
A person above complained about the incense necessity? The issue was addressed with last patch where it's free now.
I also don't see how anyone can make the arguement for f2p games of "someone had to pay for the cs items in the first place". Imagine a f2p game with no CS items in the game, most of the end game content cannot be played, so that's not knowing well how f2p games work.
We see that every patch brings cool stuff to the table. It doesn't sound like you guys follow it but there's supposed to be a big pvp update which is what lots of end game players have been waiting for, so we're all juice for that next month.
You can't tell me that there are than many high quality f2p games out there that beats Allods in graphics, gameplay, UI, features though....
What I find interesting all together is that there are varying degrees of free, evidently.
I use to think free meant it cost you nothing, otherwise it wasn't free.
See what big business manages to do. The concept of free has changed.
Thought the old addage that nothing is free seems more true than ever.
Once a game gets a bad rep, that's basically it. In the gaming world, word of mouth between players is a very strong medium. When word got out about how this game was a huge ripoff with the massively overpriced cash shop and game changes requiring its use, that was it: damage done.
It is very hard for any game to recover from something like that. Twice as much if it is a F2P, since those have the historically crappy reps of F2P to overcome in the first place.
All in all, it is just another F2P that failed to succeed with the NA/EU audience. Just one of many, and not that worthy of further attention.
U have it bit wrong, yes Gpotato has their hands in item mall, but in reality who ruined the game was developers (russians btw) Gpotato was/is just a publisher in this case, not the ones who make system changes.
I don't think it's too late to turn the way players feel. people on their main forums are cool with the game; it's just a lot of people who don't play game anymore on other sites continue to say bad things becuase they haven't accepted the positive changes since t hey don't play anymroe. They just hear about these quests that give free CS items and think it's not a big deal since they don't play. It actually is a big deal because publisher games are known for getting same content as developer's version of game, but even the Russian version of Allods didn't get the free CS item quests, so that shows developers made a big change for NA audience.
As someone who was brutally disappointed with how Allods turned out, I think it's only fair to present some facts on the history of Allods.
Astrum Nival - These guys were the original developers. They made the stuff that made the game good. They are the "good guys" so to speak.
Problem was that Astrum Nival didn't have enough financing to survive on its own, at least thats what I hear. As a result, a russian company called mail.ru purchased Astrum Nival and Allods. Mail.ru, in addition to owning the license, also operates the russian servers.
Mail.ru can be considered the "bad guys." They provided the financial backbone to even get the game to market, but did so by drastically altering the vision of Astrum Nival. This is where all of the crazy game mechanics like incense and FOD starting coming from. This is also why people say the "developers" lied because in many cases the vision for the game completely changed the day mail.ru took over.
Gpotato is just another company who operates servers licensed from mail.ru. Gpotato is largely bound to the rules and regulations given by mail.ru. Gpotato is no saint but mail.ru has a lot of control over how Gpotato runs its servers and cash shop.
So from now on if you want to bash the "developers" at least do so knowing your intended party.