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Castillle
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Ok guys Im not sure where to put it but here goes o.o
"Violent games increase violent tendencies on the youth" <- is a quote from various "studies" and "surveys" about this topic. This is their supposed findings.
Do you think that is right? should the devs be blamed for making these games? Or should the media be blamed for their attacks on "violent video games"? or?
Edit:
I think that bad parenting is the root cause and not video games.
Edit 2:
Added more info.
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Nah, it's a silly argument.
I played games as a youth and some violent games (given the time period we are talking about) and I hate violence.
to that end, even when I grew older and played games like Doom (which of course was blamed for all sorts of things) or Wolfenstein, I didn't want to do violence to a real person.
My thougth is that violent games bring out the violence in already violent people. These people are going to do violence anyway it's just a matter of time.
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I've played video game my entire life. I'm not a violent person, and none of my other gaming friends are.
These "reports" and "studies" are always done by activist who have an agenda that is not truth.
I disagree with your proposition that violent games increase violent tendencies in youth.
Therefore, no reason to get to the "blame game" portion of your post.
Note though that even if I'm wrong in my belief, there is still no reason to get to the blame game because you provided no support or persuasive argument concerning your proposition.
You think bad parenting is the root cause? Root cause of what?
I think what they usually do is find "violent youths" who then say they've been playign violent video games. They then make the leap "ahhh that's what caused it" as opposed to the idea that these people were an accident waiting to happen in the first place.
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The root is definitely parenting. Also, exposure at an early age where kids tend to copy what they see.
Parenting and Inexperience is the problem here.
Ever since I was 20 - 21 years old, the majority of First Person Shooter gamers were under 17 when practically all of them were either Adults Only (18+) or Mature (17+.) I know that everyone can say "ratings are not to be taken at face value" but from a developer's point of view, if one wants to market a game to the Mature or Adults Only crowd, thanks to ratings developers spend tons of money trying to reach a "standard" to match the rating while competing in their respective markets.
Developers spend a lot of money. Parents are the ones who refuse to spend enough time with their children to teach them right from wrong and who will not spend a cent on anything that can improve them, yet are willing to spend as much money as possible to keep them entertained. Cut to the present day and we have a population where children as low as nine years old are playing the most violent games ever conceived or imagined.
We don't see an Army of violent children conquering the world. In fact you see more people afraid of combat and defense today than ever in the history of human civilization. Americans talk about "violence" the most, but American mentality of violence traces to "militaries" and "lower class" violence the majority of the time.
Yes...You will now read how I will "DEFEND VIOLENCE."
Violence is a necessary and a reality. Ingrained in humanity and it sprouts as offensive, defensive and even instinctive. There are times when the will to live, and express one-self outweighs the irrational thought of a few group of men to impose laws to control the instinctive nature of men, for the very foundation of those laws began with placing restriction on instincts with the belief time will make them go away.
Time actually made people weaker in such regard and I see it everyday. Perhaps if the fallen man knew how to fire a gun, he might have lived today...maybe the child at the playground who is bullied could stop being bullied if he knew how to use a rock. No, today we are told as a species "Don't fight, it will fix itself.....authority will always be there for you" which is a load of crap. You can become a martial artist and defend yourself against multiple bandits, just to be sued and be locked up for being "overly agressive" thanks to how people had become cowards. Wear a uniform and a badge + carry a gun, people complain how they are corrupt and make mistakes but when the jury deliberates, they listen to them as though they were messengers of God, incapable of error.
One reason America is the way it is, is because people truly have lost the ability to fight for what they hold dear. People blame violence on video games because its the AMERICAN way of trying to "isolate" and eliminate ALL FORMS OF VIOLENCE (digital and real-world). Its a smoke-screen for fear....a group of people who have lost their abilities to defend themselves and have cleared so many elements of violence that now they are going down the list, trying to strike down every lesser form to the degree they are targetting video games...and even trying to make "Underclasses" disappear (such as the poor and homeless).
If people want violence. I suggest take to the streets...show what real violence is....I mean people have LOST the ability to conduct a "RIOT" and now we deal wtih "PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS" what the hell is so "PEACEFUL" about being extremely mad and annoyed at something or someone? America loves its euphemisms. Violence is about brutality, power, control...etc...However we have some instinct and can achieve some levels...
Don't tarnish the name of violence by trying to CALL a DIGITAL game, cartoon or movie as a threat to violence when you don't see a mass army of violence or escalations through their decades of existence. People as a population know better in that regard.
Think im crazy for defending violence? Next time you define peace, take a second to think on why peace exists and how it came by (and how its maintained). It wasn't by being, nice, pretty and clean...nor was it achieved by a majority either. Accept the reality and you are one step closer to maturity.
There has never been any proof that people who plays computer games are more violent than other people.
Same goes for television, pen and paper RPGs and Chewing tobacco.
There are however certain drugs that do increase violent tendencies, alcohol is one of the worst and the most common.
But nothing really turns a nice and peaceful person into a violent one, even alcohol only increases tendencies that are already there. Many people never get into a fight no matter how drunk they are.
In the case of computer games it is just the latest thing people blames. There are 3 things that actually turn people violent: Bad parents, war and true mental problems. Parents don't want to blame themselves of course and the government don't like to talk about former and current soldiers who get violent. And blaming mental problems just isn't as easy either.
Of course war also includes gang related violence and similar things.
I have worked with troubled children for over a decade, in abuse, neglect, and delinquency cases. 75% of the kids I work with have played violent video games, and only a tiny fraction have serious violence issues. Almost all of the violent children have violent schools, parents, or serious mental health issues.
Most barely verbal children understand the difference between reality and fantasy. The problem with this issue is that the i'm-afraid-of-violent-media folks do not.
That's not to say some subject matters are innappropriate due to the complexity or the graphic portrayal of violence. That gets more complicated.
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This is what's being argued in the Supreme Court yesterday and today and basically there still is not a difinitive proof that video games provoke violence in youths today. To blame video games for violence instead of poor parenting is just a bad excuse.
People who make claims like such are not taking the psychology or past events of the person, which are more likely to make them violent, into account. And also on the other hand, they are not checking the overall personality of the person playing the games. Was (s)he violent in the first place? Does (s)he hang out with violent people? Does (s)he have an addictive personality? Is (s)he gullible?
These things need to be answered before you can come in with any video game arguements.
I think it can be a problem when a console or a computer becomes an electronic babysitter to entertain the children. Most countries banned any kind of advertising aiming to children in television or public events. But video games are left unchecked, and it can create dependencies...
I also think online communities trivialize/minimize verbal abuses. Not just in video games but also in texting, online forums, or chat rooms. Most would get scolded hard for talking the way they write online.
I don't think it translates to physical violence as much though.
Cite the studies. I've yet to see a viable study that was conducted with enough impartiality to make it yield a sane result an impartial third party would consider accepting. Furthermore there are studies saying the exact opposite. Pick a side, sling mud.
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Fact: Violence existed before the creation of video games. There is violence in the bible. Perhaps the bible caused violence?
There is a reason this question still shows up every once in a while and that is because they are questions that people actually want to know about. I don't really think that there is any one answer for whether violence in gaming is the cause of some violence in real life, but I know that it wasn't the cause of violence in my life. (im not very violent, and I grew up playing games with violence in them)
great...every person here is probably qualified to answer this question on there own and ignore "surveys and studies" as they like.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
Why stop at video games? Lets ask the question does saw make people go out and build traps to kill people?
To say that video games cause violence in youth is foolish. If an 18 year old is playing Manhunt 2 he should know by that age that stabbing people to death with shards of glass is not a good thing. If an 11 year old is stabbing a guy to death wit ha piece of glass in manhunt 2 then his legal guardians need a good slapping.
The violence in video games arguement is a way for fatcats in suits to make a living or a name for themselves. Its the way society is going. Wear protective goggles while using scissors says teachers now when back when I went to school we where trusted with scissors.
The problem is busy bodies with boring lives who get a cause and believe they must change everything, its a sad world we live in now..
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No games dont make someone sane violent.
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Since most kids play videogame most violent kids do so too. But blaming the violence on the game is kinda like saying working gives you cancer since most people with cancer at least worked sometimes during their lifetime...
Or as Monty Python said: Clark Gable is dead but very few of the dead people are in fact Clark Gable.
These are absrud comments based on some retarded people views that videogames cause violence. For instance a quick goole search yields this result: http://www.livescience.com/technology/051204_video_violence.html and doing some more research on your own into the amount of violent crime that has actually went down in the last 20 years is astounding. People seem to forget that social networking is a lot easier today than it was 10 years or even 20 years ago. Go post on same hate crime website, hook up with your hate crime buddies and something is bound to happen. 20 years ago that wasn't as easy. Same goes for anything. Like today so big fat broad(some hiccup lady in florida, 19) went in front of the judge for 1st degree murder and she looked like she was dumb enough not to even ever know how to play a computer/video game.
It always has an always will boil down to two things: Parenting(look into all the bullying suicides that are being blamed on schools and not the parents) and of course some people are just born bad apples in nature. Some animals are just plain rogue and humans are no different.
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What I hear and read is that most scientific studies can not make a clear connection between video games and violence.
These studies show that other factors such as society, childhood, parenting are the most important reasons for violence and video games can have but likely has little effect.
I am no expert, this is just the information I have.
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It seems much more likely that violent people would just gravitate towards violent video games. The violence in video games isn't creating violent people, it's just identifying the potentially violent people.
I think these studies really are just a case of people seeing something they don't like and wanting to get rid of it, whether they have real proof or not. If they were really concerned about the general welfare and violence, we'd have more teachers and more counselers in schools, giving our children a much better support system than they are getting at home and in their community. Cars would come standard with breathalizers.
But no, video game violence is somehow magically turning perfectly normal people into psychotic killers. It couldn't possibly be that psychotic killers tend to have violent fantasies. Nooo, that would just be silly or illogical.
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The OP mentions all of these studies, but they have been shown to have a number of flaws each time they come up and are not treated seriously in scientific circles. Here is some fun debunking by Penn & Teller - http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/168812/detail/
When I was very young, it was heavy metal and D&D that was creating all the violent children. Although I personally listened exclusively to heavy metal and was among the more consistent D&D players (most every weekend), I've yet to kill or maim anyone to date, much less as a teen. This nonsense wasn't true then, and it isn't any truer today. Just wait another decade, and they'll find some other reason for the violence that is easy to understand, and just as incorrect.
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