I have a lifer account so I'm not exactly sure but I think the sub price here in the US is 14.99. If I'm correct, your sub is almost half that.
What are you complaining about?
Also you can earn point by other means than paying for them.
It is expected that someone will complain, just like the NA conversion complaints, but really it comes off more like whining to me. Pay the sub, or work for your points.
Nothing in life is free. My advice, get used to it.
+1
Lotro really is a good game. I dont understand how anyone could complain when you have free access to the game. With the next patch you get all the epic book content from 1-65 and everyone gets quick travel.
Even though i bought everything i needed ive earned enough coins to buy quite a few hubs with just two classes to thier 40's (guard 48, Ward 40).
I guess if it isnt handed to them 100% free then they bitch... sorry Lotro isnt welfare.
To my understanding only previous subscribers will get free travel, premium and freeb still need to buy it from the store.
So only Ex-VIPs? Or previous subs before F2p? If its Ex-Vip im good cause i currently have a sub.
"Swift Travel Changes
Swift Travel Routes that previously required that the player be a subscriber are now usable by past subscribers as well (although only by characters created or used during the subscriber period)."
I have a lifer account so I'm not exactly sure but I think the sub price here in the US is 14.99. If I'm correct, your sub is almost half that.
What are you complaining about?
Also you can earn point by other means than paying for them.
It is expected that someone will complain, just like the NA conversion complaints, but really it comes off more like whining to me. Pay the sub, or work for your points.
Nothing in life is free. My advice, get used to it.
+1
Lotro really is a good game. I dont understand how anyone could complain when you have free access to the game. With the next patch you get all the epic book content from 1-65 and everyone gets quick travel.
Even though i bought everything i needed ive earned enough coins to buy quite a few hubs with just two classes to thier 40's (guard 48, Ward 40).
I guess if it isnt handed to them 100% free then they bitch... sorry Lotro isnt welfare.
To my understanding only previous subscribers will get free travel, premium and freeb still need to buy it from the store.
So only Ex-VIPs? Or previous subs before F2p? If its Ex-Vip im good cause i currently have a sub.
"Swift Travel Changes
Swift Travel Routes that previously required that the player be a subscriber are now usable by past subscribers as well (although only by characters created or used during the subscriber period)."
I think it is ex-VIP.
This means anyone who ever had a sub, but only for the chars active during the sub. The very same limitation as virtues/gold limits etc.
exactly m8, to me it's not about the "bonus over other players", it's purely about the basic content that we purchased in the first place.
Well, the game you bought was a subscription-based game. You didn't buy access to the game, the subscription fee did that. You basically bought the right to start paying your subscription fee, which in turn allowed access to those areas. When you stopped paying your subscription, you couldn't access those areas (or anything else in the game).
The Moria and Mirkwood (virtual) boxes are different. It was still possible to play LotRO without those (while paying your subscription fee, of course), but those two boxes added actual content that couldn't be accessed without them.
Thank you for helping make my point (although with how you've said things it's not what you intended lol) You purchase the game to get access to the area content, and yes you agree because you said so yourself by bringing up the new areas available when you buy the expansions. the Sub fee if the wage and fees payable in order to keep the game running, add new content (acceptable that non sub payers shouldn't get new content without purchase) however as stated, you buy the game and therefore are paying for the content available to you at that point in time. so those like me that purchased the game pre FTP should still be able to access Lone Lands and other areas like that which we could access once the game was purchased.
Here's an example to simplify:
Free player (new non payer) = access to what it is now and how they've done things.
People who bought the game prior to FTP = have access to areas they previously could get to but don't get any new areas that may be added later for free.
VIP = access to all areas both old and new
Obviously all players would need to purchase expansions for those new areas and content.
exactly m8, to me it's not about the "bonus over other players", it's purely about the basic content that we purchased in the first place.
Well, the game you bought was a subscription-based game. You didn't buy access to the game, the subscription fee did that. You basically bought the right to start paying your subscription fee, which in turn allowed access to those areas. When you stopped paying your subscription, you couldn't access those areas (or anything else in the game).
The Moria and Mirkwood (virtual) boxes are different. It was still possible to play LotRO without those (while paying your subscription fee, of course), but those two boxes added actual content that couldn't be accessed without them.
Thank you for helping make my point (although with how you've said things it's not what you intended lol) You purchase the game to get access to the area content, and yes you agree because you said so yourself by bringing up the new areas available when you buy the expansions. the Sub fee if the wage and fees payable in order to keep the game running, add new content (acceptable that non sub payers shouldn't get new content without purchase) however as stated, you buy the game and therefore are paying for the content available to you at that point in time. so those like me that purchased the game pre FTP should still be able to access Lone Lands and other areas like that which we could access once the game was purchased.
Here's an example to simplify:
Free player (new non payer) = access to what it is now and how they've done things.
People who bought the game prior to FTP = have access to areas they previously could get to but don't get any new areas that may be added later for free.
VIP = access to all areas both old and new
Obviously all players would need to purchase expansions for those new areas and content.
Sorry but i don't see it like that.
1. You did not pay for the content when you bought the box. If you did you would have had to pay for the content added in bookupgrades, but you didn't because:
2. Content under P2P was "free" for subscribers. Barring content contained in Expansions.
3. There where free areas and content added before F2P, following your logic they wouldn't be contained in the box for someone who bought the game on release(because content = box). This means:
4. The later you bought the box the more content you would be privy too. Yet the box price kept going down. Meaning:
5. Those that spent the least should get the most. Wait what?
It just makes no sense, if you really insist on your line of thinking it would be only fair that the box gives you exactly the game as it was in the version contained in the box. Meaning no bookupgrades no landmasses and no class changes. But you don't want that, you want the "new" lonelands. You want the "new" classes. The "new" Trait system. The "new" crafting system. The "new" Skrimish system. The new soloable bookline. The "new" Directx 10/11 support and so forth. None of that was contained in the box you bought, yet you take it for granted and think you should get all these updates for free. They do not charge you for each of them directly, but somehow you have to pay for them. Turbine chose that you will pay for the time they spent on the game by paying for quests, deal with it.
Let me spell it out even more clearly. The game you bought, that original box. It doesn't exist anymore. They exchanged too many parts of it over the years, and yes they want you to pay for it again, because its not the same product anymore. They spent thousands of manhours changing and improving the game after that SoA box got made, and yes they want to be paid for that work. Because it was not included in the original purchase.
those like me that purchased the game pre FTP should still be able to access Lone Lands and other areas like that which we could access once the game was purchased.
You still can, under the same condition as before F2P (that you pay your subscription fee).
exactly m8, to me it's not about the "bonus over other players", it's purely about the basic content that we purchased in the first place.
Well, the game you bought was a subscription-based game. You didn't buy access to the game, the subscription fee did that. You basically bought the right to start paying your subscription fee, which in turn allowed access to those areas. When you stopped paying your subscription, you couldn't access those areas (or anything else in the game).
The Moria and Mirkwood (virtual) boxes are different. It was still possible to play LotRO without those (while paying your subscription fee, of course), but those two boxes added actual content that couldn't be accessed without them.
Thank you for helping make my point (although with how you've said things it's not what you intended lol) You purchase the game to get access to the area content, and yes you agree because you said so yourself by bringing up the new areas available when you buy the expansions. the Sub fee if the wage and fees payable in order to keep the game running, add new content (acceptable that non sub payers shouldn't get new content without purchase) however as stated, you buy the game and therefore are paying for the content available to you at that point in time. so those like me that purchased the game pre FTP should still be able to access Lone Lands and other areas like that which we could access once the game was purchased.
Here's an example to simplify:
Free player (new non payer) = access to what it is now and how they've done things.
People who bought the game prior to FTP = have access to areas they previously could get to but don't get any new areas that may be added later for free.
VIP = access to all areas both old and new
Obviously all players would need to purchase expansions for those new areas and content.
Sorry but i don't see it like that.
1. You did not pay for the content when you bought the box. If you did you would have had to pay for the content added in bookupgrades, but you didn't because: those that bought the box did pay for the current content at that time, and we did pay for the book upgrades as we payed a sub and therefore paid for said content
2. Content under P2P was "free" for subscribers. Barring content contained in Expansions.Content added after box purchase was paid for through the sub fee paid, those that bought the expansions paid for the content within those expansions.
3. There where free areas and content added before F2P, following your logic they wouldn't be contained in the box for someone who bought the game on release(because content = box). This means:it wasn't free content added prior to free to play if you think about it as players paid for the content through subs.
4. The later you bought the box the more content you would be privy too. Yet the box price kept going down. Meaning: box prices doesn't come into it prior to FTP as content added after a person bought the box was paid for through their sub fee.
5. Those that spent the least should get the most. Wait what? again, prices don't matter when purchasing the box as it's the retailers and game companies CHOICE to lower said price of box and what it contains within the box.
It just makes no sense,makes perfect sense when you think about it from an outsiders point of view if you really insist on your line of thinking it would be only fair that the box gives you exactly the game as it was in the version contained in the box. Meaning no bookupgrades no landmasses and no class changes. But you don't want that, you want the "new" lonelands. You want the "new" classes. The "new" Trait system. The "new" crafting system. The "new" Skrimish system. The new soloable bookline. The "new" Directx 10/11 support and so forth. None of that was contained in the box you bought, true but that content was added and paid for through sub fees yet you take it for granted and think you should get all these updates for free. if you read what i'm saying you'll see that it isn't for free as it was previously purchased by pre-FTP players such as myself through our sub fees They do not charge you for each of them directly, but somehow you have to pay for them.and as i said previously i have no issues with new players who joined after FTP having to pay for things as thats how the system works now, however those have have invested in the game prior to FTP should have the access and content we previously paid for Turbine chose that you will pay for the time they spent on the game by paying for quests, yet again i have no issues with their new system for NEW players but those whove spent money should get what they previously paid for. deal with it. no need for an attitude here m8, we simply have a difference of opinion.
Let me spell it out even more clearly. The game you bought, that original box. It doesn't exist anymore. it exists in my draw, it exists on the receipt i have and it exists on the game disk i purchased They exchanged too many parts of it over the years,their may have been a few minor changes to actual gameplay however most of what was done during the time players paid for subs was added instead of fully changed and yes they want you to pay for it again, which in my opinion is wrong, it's like buying a car and when the model is updated the company you bought it from saying you have to pay for it again because it's changed because its not the same product anymore. OMG!! it's no longer lord of the rings online (end sarcasm) it's still the same game. They spent thousands of manhours changing and improving the game after that SoA box got made, and yes they want to be paid for that work.read previous posts regarding what i'm actually saying, i have no issues with how they've chosen to do things for NEW players, however previous paying players should still have access to what they previously had, anything added from FTP launch date onwards should be purchased as it's after said sub payer stopped paying Because it was not included in the original purchase. New content added since FTP and previous sub stopped paying wasn't included in their purchase but anything upto they date they stopped paying is already paid for.
Let me also add that when you stop paying for a game sub you don't get anything added after the stop date but the moment you send a payment through (return to a game) your files for the game are updated and you have access to new content that was added while away from game and therefore you paid for the new content. the bottom line in how i'm thinking and how previous sub payers have been ripped off is this, we previously paid for the game and it's content, now we don't have access to the content we previously paid for. would you like it and agree with it if you bought a car but was told that because of changes to the model you were no longer allowed to use the doors or breaks.
1. You did not pay for the content when you bought the box. If you did you would have had to pay for the content added in bookupgrades, but you didn't because: those that bought the box did pay for the current content at that time, and we did pay for the book upgrades as we payed a sub and therefore paid for said content
2. Content under P2P was "free" for subscribers. Barring content contained in Expansions.Content added after box purchase was paid for through the sub fee paid, those that bought the expansions paid for the content within those expansions.
3. There where free areas and content added before F2P, following your logic they wouldn't be contained in the box for someone who bought the game on release(because content = box). This means:it wasn't free content added prior to free to play if you think about it as players paid for the content through subs.
4. The later you bought the box the more content you would be privy too. Yet the box price kept going down. Meaning: box prices doesn't come into it prior to FTP as content added after a person bought the box was paid for through their sub fee.
5. Those that spent the least should get the most. Wait what? again, prices don't matter when purchasing the box as it's the retailers and game companies CHOICE to lower said price of box and what it contains within the box.
It just makes no sense,makes perfect sense when you think about it from an outsiders point of view if you really insist on your line of thinking it would be only fair that the box gives you exactly the game as it was in the version contained in the box. Meaning no bookupgrades no landmasses and no class changes. But you don't want that, you want the "new" lonelands. You want the "new" classes. The "new" Trait system. The "new" crafting system. The "new" Skrimish system. The new soloable bookline. The "new" Directx 10/11 support and so forth. None of that was contained in the box you bought, true but that content was added and paid for through sub fees yet you take it for granted and think you should get all these updates for free. if you read what i'm saying you'll see that it isn't for free as it was previously purchased by pre-FTP players such as myself through our sub fees They do not charge you for each of them directly, but somehow you have to pay for them.and as i said previously i have no issues with new players who joined after FTP having to pay for things as thats how the system works now, however those have have invested in the game prior to FTP should have the access and content we previously paid for Turbine chose that you will pay for the time they spent on the game by paying for quests, yet again i have no issues with their new system for NEW players but those whove spent money should get what they previously paid for. deal with it. no need for an attitude here m8, we simply have a difference of opinion.
Let me spell it out even more clearly. The game you bought, that original box. It doesn't exist anymore. it exists in my draw, it exists on the receipt i have and it exists on the game disk i purchased They exchanged too many parts of it over the years,their may have been a few minor changes to actual gameplay however most of what was done during the time players paid for subs was added instead of fully changed and yes they want you to pay for it again, which in my opinion is wrong, it's like buying a car and when the model is updated the company you bought it from saying you have to pay for it again because it's changed because its not the same product anymore. OMG!! it's no longer lord of the rings online (end sarcasm) it's still the same game. They spent thousands of manhours changing and improving the game after that SoA box got made, and yes they want to be paid for that work.read previous posts regarding what i'm actually saying, i have no issues with how they've chosen to do things for NEW players, however previous paying players should still have access to what they previously had, anything added from FTP launch date onwards should be purchased as it's after said sub payer stopped paying Because it was not included in the original purchase. New content added since FTP and previous sub stopped paying wasn't included in their purchase but anything upto they date they stopped paying is already paid for.
Let me also add that when you stop paying for a game sub you don't get anything added after the stop date but the moment you send a payment through (return to a game) your files for the game are updated and you have access to new content that was added while away from game and therefore you paid for the new content. the bottom line in how i'm thinking and how previous sub payers have been ripped off is this, we previously paid for the game and it's content, now we don't have access to the content we previously paid for. would you like it and agree with it if you bought a car but was told that because of changes to the model you were no longer allowed to use the doors or breaks.
Your sub didn't include permanent access to the new content and gamechanges they added, not before F2P, and not after. It was always a rented access to the gameservers only. Yes your sub was used to develope the content and changes, but that doesn't mean you are entitled to it.
To me it seems like you want to treat the following people the same:
1. Guy A, he bought the game in 2007, never subbed.[50$/€]
2. Guy B, he bought the game in 2007, had a ongoing sub since back then.[~400+ €/$]
3. Guy C, he bought a SoA box from amazon in July, never subbed.[5€/$]
4. Guy D, he bought a LTA in 2007.[200€/$]
Following your logic, they would have exactly the same access to content atm. Even though they paid between 5€/$ to 400+€/$. And thats just neither fair nor an improvement over how Turbine currently handles it.
The box you bought was priced and advertised on the assumption you would only be able to play the game with a subscription. The questpacks and limitations that go with premium accounts are priced on the assumption that you do not run a sub. Those are two completely different services. Its literally renting vs buying. Even VIPs in the F2P model only rent content, and only LTAs and premiums own content.
You car analogy is nice, you only miss a piece. Your car, it wasn't bought. It was rented and you had to make a non returnable deposit in advance(about 3 months worth of rent). You stopped paying the rent and where unable to drive the car. Now the car dealer has a new deal, he offers buying a car from him piece for piece, and now you jump him saying you should get all the pieces that where in your rented car before for free. Obviously he is not very understanding of your point.
Moria and Mirkwood in this example would be a set of wintertires that you bought, they belong to you and are not part of the rented deal yet completely useless as they only work with your rented car model. Doesn't matter wether you rent or buy you car in pieces, those wintertires you would be able to use.
Fact is you want to change the contract you agreed to with Turbine/CM upon purchase of SoA. You agreed to pay 50 bucks and 15 per month to be able to play the game, now you want to change that deal in a way that would hurt Turbine financially. It was a mixed calculation, and permanent access without a sub was never included in the box, nor promised. With F2P Turbine already gives you far more than you had before, that does not mean you are entitled to even more, neither legally nor morally.
P.S.: If the game you paid for still exists in your drawer on a piece of paper then have fun playing in your drawer with a piece of paper.
In addition to purchasing the game you had to pay a monthly sub to be able to play the game and the content. Who cares if we purchased SoA years ago? Big whoop. Just sub to the game like you did back then and everything is unlocked. Really seems like some are nitpicking over things.
EDIT: Damn you Rocket, my post was meant for Antaran XD
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
ok final post as some are simply stuck in their ways and not even tryign to understand the flip side.
with that said lets put it another way, Guild Wars, you buy the game (as you do with lotro FTP these days) and you play for free INCLUDING any new content added barring expansions. the game is basically the same as lotro, lets see now, you gain items through combat in order to craft other items (only difference is the gathering of raw materials), you have side quests as well as the storyline quests (books as lotro calls them), you have PvP, you have raids/instances, granted there's no auction house but thats just an aid for selling things as items can be sold without that particular feature. SO... lets see, same kind of game which you purchase then play completly FREE. and before anyone goes on about it being instanced and such just remember, GW2 is around the corner and thats not an instanced world. so if ArenaNet can make games that are similar to lotro etc and be completely sub free therefore lowering their net income in comparison then why can't what was once a successful sub based game developer which had constant income and funds make their game which is slated as FREE TO PLAY actually be free to play??? the answer is simply greed and they know they can get away with it specially with all the people in this thread alone defending their decisions on how they've done things.
To those people who have defended things in a heated way (when this started of as a simple discussion and difference of opinion) i have this to say.. BAAAHHHH!!!!! (end of sheep impression) seems like the only language you understand to be honest.
i wish you all well in your chosen game however and a good healthy lifetime.
You might sleep better if you think of it this way.
They didn't go F2P. . they added it as an option. You can still sub. I like the F2P as a casual player it will save me a lot of money over the long run.
ok final post as some are simply stuck in their ways and not even tryign to understand the flip side...
Oh please, people have differing opinions on the matter. Has nothing to do with whether they refuse to see things from the other side.
GW and LotR are very different games from their focal points to gameplay. Both excel in their own ways and pending on what the player is looking for can also be rather lackluster. Both pay structures have their benefits and drawbacks.
For as much as you seem willing to point out the stubbornness in others you seem to be fairly good at ignoring your own.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
GW was sold to you as a subfree game, LotROs SoA was not. Also what updates? There haven't been any real content added to GWs for years. Its quite obvious that unlike LotRO it does not have a dedicated devteam working on it any more. And i will not in any shape or form enter any discussion about the merits of a MMO thats not even released yet(GW2).
If you think GW is a better deal, then play that. But to me its a much worse deal. Not much cheaper, has a ingame store aswell and no upcoming content. Thank you very much ill pass. But i admit that im biased, because as a LTA i get insane value for the money i spent on LotRO as i even get future expansions, charslots etc for free which clearly goes even beyond GWs model.
Besides GWs released 4 boxes i think, Original game, Factions, Nightfall and Eye of the north. If you bought all of them you spent what? 150 bucks? For 150 bucks you can easily unlock every quest and expansion in LotRO and have a big bunch of points left. Hell you can probably do it for 50 bucks if you get a Moria box and buy questpacks during a sale.
GW was sold to you as a subfree game, LotROs SoA was not. Also what updates? There haven't been any real content added to GWs for years. Its quite obvious that unlike LotRO it does not have a dedicated devteam working on it any more. And i will not in any shape or form enter any discussion about the merits of a MMO thats not even released yet(GW2).
If you think GW is a better deal, then play that. But to me its a much worse deal. Not much cheaper, has a ingame store aswell and no upcoming content. Thank you very much ill pass. But i admit that im biased, because as a LTA i get insane value for the money i spent on LotRO as i even get future expansions, charslots etc for free which clearly goes even beyond GWs model.
Besides GWs released 4 boxes i think, Original game, Factions, Nightfall and Eye of the north. If you bought all of them you spent what? 150 bucks? For 150 bucks you can easily unlock every quest and expansion in LotRO and have a big bunch of points left. Hell you can probably do it for 50 bucks if you get a Moria box and buy questpacks during a sale.
Lets not forget that GW is not an MMO, if they had asked for a sub it would have been just silly.
Yes, it is demo, quite good and generous. The F2P plan is a mess and expensive.
What you do is sub for one month or better yet buy Moria box that has one month for free.
Of course, when you buy the box, you can as well buy GW and skip any additional and/or future costs.
The new "free travel for old subs" just pushes the game more in that direction. Sub for one month. They should just tell you and save you the grief.
If you wanted to "buy" the game, you could go lifetime before, it was way cheaper than the cash shop is now, and you did not need to wait for F2P. Anyone who "bought" the game right now in one go has little to tell others other than he wasted his money and is oblivious to MMO scene.
Yes, it is demo, quite good and generous. The F2P plan is a mess and expensive.
What you do is sub for one month or better yet buy Moria box that has one month for free.
Of course, when you buy the box, you can as well buy GW and skip any additional and/or future costs.
The new "free travel for old subs" just pushes the game more in that direction. Sub for one month. They should just tell you and save you the grief.
If you wanted to "buy" the game, you could go lifetime before, it was way cheaper than the cash shop is now, and you did not need to wait for F2P. Anyone who "bought" the game right now in one go has little to tell others other than he wasted his money and is oblivious to MMO scene.
1 month VIP + Buying all the content out of the shop is cheaper in the long run.
If you plan to play for atleast a year. If your going to game hop like a ADD kiddie then yes spending 8 months sub worth of cash in one lump sum its fucking retardation lol.
If you want F2P LotRO just go with the US version which is handled by Turbine itself.
How different is the shop in EU? Is it much more expensive?
from what roketeer has been saying it is pretty much the same, if it is more expensive in the EU then CM are shooting themselves in the foot.
From a CS persons post in forums we are obviously behind on sales(they run on a preplanned schedule apparently), which is why we go through them quicker until we caught up. From there on US/EU will mostly have the same sales, with changes due to different national holidays.
Point prices are a bit pricier though, due to much higher taxrates in EU and the horrid state those shambles you call a economy in the US are in. But really thats not CMs fault, and judging by the opening of yet another new server today not their problem either.
Yes, it is demo, quite good and generous. The F2P plan is a mess and expensive.
What you do is sub for one month or better yet buy Moria box that has one month for free.
Of course, when you buy the box, you can as well buy GW and skip any additional and/or future costs.
The new "free travel for old subs" just pushes the game more in that direction. Sub for one month. They should just tell you and save you the grief.
If you wanted to "buy" the game, you could go lifetime before, it was way cheaper than the cash shop is now, and you did not need to wait for F2P. Anyone who "bought" the game right now in one go has little to tell others other than he wasted his money and is oblivious to MMO scene.
1 month VIP + Buying all the content out of the shop is cheaper in the long run.
If you plan to play for atleast a year. If your going to game hop like a ADD kiddie then yes spending 8 months sub worth of cash in one lump sum its fucking retardation lol.
What i said stands. You should have bough the game when it was cheap not now when it is expensive and try to fool yourself you made a bargain. You did not. Do you have all skirmishes? How will you deal with unlocks if you ever roll an alt? How is your PvP? Destiny, rested XP and other small perks? Are you getting +10 stat tome every month for free? You bough just some bits of the game, at the worst imaginable time, you came late, it was not smart, so cut back on the insults.
Back to topic: shop in EU is the same points, but the cost of cash per point is slightly higher.
Yes, it is demo, quite good and generous. The F2P plan is a mess and expensive.
What you do is sub for one month or better yet buy Moria box that has one month for free.
Of course, when you buy the box, you can as well buy GW and skip any additional and/or future costs.
The new "free travel for old subs" just pushes the game more in that direction. Sub for one month. They should just tell you and save you the grief.
If you wanted to "buy" the game, you could go lifetime before, it was way cheaper than the cash shop is now, and you did not need to wait for F2P. Anyone who "bought" the game right now in one go has little to tell others other than he wasted his money and is oblivious to MMO scene.
1 month VIP + Buying all the content out of the shop is cheaper in the long run.
If you plan to play for atleast a year. If your going to game hop like a ADD kiddie then yes spending 8 months sub worth of cash in one lump sum its fucking retardation lol.
What i said stands. You should have bough the game when it was cheap not now when it is expensive and try to fool yourself you made a bargain. You did not. Do you have all skirmishes? How will you deal with unlocks if you ever roll an alt? How is your PvP? Destiny, rested XP and other small perks? Are you getting +10 stat tome every month for free? You bough just some bits of the game, at the worst imaginable time, you came late, it was not smart, so cut back on the insults.
Back to topic: shop in EU is the same points, but the cost of cash per point is slightly higher.
BS. You can unlock all SoA areas for around 50€, Rockgod then got the MoM box for cheap i think, so with mirkwood around 80€. The MoM box took care of any trait/virtue limits on up to 7 chars, PvP is not a selling point with LotRO anyway and small perks are just that small perks.
I on the other hand, paid 50€ for the SoA box in 2007, 40€ i think for MoM and like 30€ for mirkwood. If i had had a active subscription since 2007(which i hadn't) that would have been another 360€ for 480€ total. And someone in that situation would actually have less with a lapsed sub than rockgod has secured himself forever.
Rockgod pal, think your going to spend like 500 bucks worth of TP on the game anytime soon?
<100€ for everything LotRO has to offer without ever having to sub is a damn good deal, and not even LTAs have something better right now, will take almost 2 years for the accumulated TPs to make up the 100€ more a LTA costs.
When NA had a sale on TP i paid for two 49.99 worth of coins i believe it was around 7k each with the % bonus.
With that I cleared out the shop of all content (xpacs, skirm, quest packs).
I got curious about monsterplay so I subbed for 1 month. In doing so all my characters now have gold limit, chat resrictions and trait restrictions lifted.
I drop Vip status soon but since i did sub i get swift travel unlocked for all 9 of my characters with the november update.
And with monsterplay being released onto the shop early next year what am i missing?
Rest XP? Did you read my post complaining about leveling too fast out of content? Do i really need rest XP?
I honestly can't see what a sub has over me now and I spent only $115.
To top it all off by the time i level my three favorite classes ill have a crazy amount of TP to purchase any content Turbine tosses at me including expansions.
Shit I dont know what to do with the 2k TP i have right now and i only have two characters slightly above mid level.
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"Swift Travel Changes
Swift Travel Routes that previously required that the player be a subscriber are now usable by past subscribers as well (although only by characters created or used during the subscriber period)."
I think it is ex-VIP.
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Price is same in EU as in US as can be seen here. I guess the op was trying to make a point.
This means anyone who ever had a sub, but only for the chars active during the sub. The very same limitation as virtues/gold limits etc.
Thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was a bit odd.
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Thank you for helping make my point (although with how you've said things it's not what you intended lol) You purchase the game to get access to the area content, and yes you agree because you said so yourself by bringing up the new areas available when you buy the expansions. the Sub fee if the wage and fees payable in order to keep the game running, add new content (acceptable that non sub payers shouldn't get new content without purchase) however as stated, you buy the game and therefore are paying for the content available to you at that point in time. so those like me that purchased the game pre FTP should still be able to access Lone Lands and other areas like that which we could access once the game was purchased.
Here's an example to simplify:
Free player (new non payer) = access to what it is now and how they've done things.
People who bought the game prior to FTP = have access to areas they previously could get to but don't get any new areas that may be added later for free.
VIP = access to all areas both old and new
Obviously all players would need to purchase expansions for those new areas and content.
Sorry but i don't see it like that.
1. You did not pay for the content when you bought the box. If you did you would have had to pay for the content added in bookupgrades, but you didn't because:
2. Content under P2P was "free" for subscribers. Barring content contained in Expansions.
3. There where free areas and content added before F2P, following your logic they wouldn't be contained in the box for someone who bought the game on release(because content = box). This means:
4. The later you bought the box the more content you would be privy too. Yet the box price kept going down. Meaning:
5. Those that spent the least should get the most. Wait what?
It just makes no sense, if you really insist on your line of thinking it would be only fair that the box gives you exactly the game as it was in the version contained in the box. Meaning no bookupgrades no landmasses and no class changes. But you don't want that, you want the "new" lonelands. You want the "new" classes. The "new" Trait system. The "new" crafting system. The "new" Skrimish system. The new soloable bookline. The "new" Directx 10/11 support and so forth. None of that was contained in the box you bought, yet you take it for granted and think you should get all these updates for free. They do not charge you for each of them directly, but somehow you have to pay for them. Turbine chose that you will pay for the time they spent on the game by paying for quests, deal with it.
Let me spell it out even more clearly. The game you bought, that original box. It doesn't exist anymore. They exchanged too many parts of it over the years, and yes they want you to pay for it again, because its not the same product anymore. They spent thousands of manhours changing and improving the game after that SoA box got made, and yes they want to be paid for that work. Because it was not included in the original purchase.
You still can, under the same condition as before F2P (that you pay your subscription fee).
Let me also add that when you stop paying for a game sub you don't get anything added after the stop date but the moment you send a payment through (return to a game) your files for the game are updated and you have access to new content that was added while away from game and therefore you paid for the new content. the bottom line in how i'm thinking and how previous sub payers have been ripped off is this, we previously paid for the game and it's content, now we don't have access to the content we previously paid for. would you like it and agree with it if you bought a car but was told that because of changes to the model you were no longer allowed to use the doors or breaks.
Your sub didn't include permanent access to the new content and gamechanges they added, not before F2P, and not after. It was always a rented access to the gameservers only. Yes your sub was used to develope the content and changes, but that doesn't mean you are entitled to it.
To me it seems like you want to treat the following people the same:
1. Guy A, he bought the game in 2007, never subbed.[50$/€]
2. Guy B, he bought the game in 2007, had a ongoing sub since back then.[~400+ €/$]
3. Guy C, he bought a SoA box from amazon in July, never subbed.[5€/$]
4. Guy D, he bought a LTA in 2007.[200€/$]
Following your logic, they would have exactly the same access to content atm. Even though they paid between 5€/$ to 400+€/$. And thats just neither fair nor an improvement over how Turbine currently handles it.
The box you bought was priced and advertised on the assumption you would only be able to play the game with a subscription. The questpacks and limitations that go with premium accounts are priced on the assumption that you do not run a sub. Those are two completely different services. Its literally renting vs buying. Even VIPs in the F2P model only rent content, and only LTAs and premiums own content.
You car analogy is nice, you only miss a piece. Your car, it wasn't bought. It was rented and you had to make a non returnable deposit in advance(about 3 months worth of rent). You stopped paying the rent and where unable to drive the car. Now the car dealer has a new deal, he offers buying a car from him piece for piece, and now you jump him saying you should get all the pieces that where in your rented car before for free. Obviously he is not very understanding of your point.
Moria and Mirkwood in this example would be a set of wintertires that you bought, they belong to you and are not part of the rented deal yet completely useless as they only work with your rented car model. Doesn't matter wether you rent or buy you car in pieces, those wintertires you would be able to use.
Fact is you want to change the contract you agreed to with Turbine/CM upon purchase of SoA. You agreed to pay 50 bucks and 15 per month to be able to play the game, now you want to change that deal in a way that would hurt Turbine financially. It was a mixed calculation, and permanent access without a sub was never included in the box, nor promised. With F2P Turbine already gives you far more than you had before, that does not mean you are entitled to even more, neither legally nor morally.
P.S.: If the game you paid for still exists in your drawer on a piece of paper then have fun playing in your drawer with a piece of paper.
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In addition to purchasing the game you had to pay a monthly sub to be able to play the game and the content. Who cares if we purchased SoA years ago? Big whoop. Just sub to the game like you did back then and everything is unlocked. Really seems like some are nitpicking over things.
EDIT: Damn you Rocket, my post was meant for Antaran XD
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
ok final post as some are simply stuck in their ways and not even tryign to understand the flip side.
with that said lets put it another way, Guild Wars, you buy the game (as you do with lotro FTP these days) and you play for free INCLUDING any new content added barring expansions. the game is basically the same as lotro, lets see now, you gain items through combat in order to craft other items (only difference is the gathering of raw materials), you have side quests as well as the storyline quests (books as lotro calls them), you have PvP, you have raids/instances, granted there's no auction house but thats just an aid for selling things as items can be sold without that particular feature. SO... lets see, same kind of game which you purchase then play completly FREE. and before anyone goes on about it being instanced and such just remember, GW2 is around the corner and thats not an instanced world. so if ArenaNet can make games that are similar to lotro etc and be completely sub free therefore lowering their net income in comparison then why can't what was once a successful sub based game developer which had constant income and funds make their game which is slated as FREE TO PLAY actually be free to play??? the answer is simply greed and they know they can get away with it specially with all the people in this thread alone defending their decisions on how they've done things.
To those people who have defended things in a heated way (when this started of as a simple discussion and difference of opinion) i have this to say.. BAAAHHHH!!!!! (end of sheep impression) seems like the only language you understand to be honest.
i wish you all well in your chosen game however and a good healthy lifetime.
You might sleep better if you think of it this way.
They didn't go F2P. . they added it as an option. You can still sub. I like the F2P as a casual player it will save me a lot of money over the long run.
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Oh please, people have differing opinions on the matter. Has nothing to do with whether they refuse to see things from the other side.
GW and LotR are very different games from their focal points to gameplay. Both excel in their own ways and pending on what the player is looking for can also be rather lackluster. Both pay structures have their benefits and drawbacks.
For as much as you seem willing to point out the stubbornness in others you seem to be fairly good at ignoring your own.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
GW was sold to you as a subfree game, LotROs SoA was not. Also what updates? There haven't been any real content added to GWs for years. Its quite obvious that unlike LotRO it does not have a dedicated devteam working on it any more. And i will not in any shape or form enter any discussion about the merits of a MMO thats not even released yet(GW2).
If you think GW is a better deal, then play that. But to me its a much worse deal. Not much cheaper, has a ingame store aswell and no upcoming content. Thank you very much ill pass. But i admit that im biased, because as a LTA i get insane value for the money i spent on LotRO as i even get future expansions, charslots etc for free which clearly goes even beyond GWs model.
Besides GWs released 4 boxes i think, Original game, Factions, Nightfall and Eye of the north. If you bought all of them you spent what? 150 bucks? For 150 bucks you can easily unlock every quest and expansion in LotRO and have a big bunch of points left. Hell you can probably do it for 50 bucks if you get a Moria box and buy questpacks during a sale.
Lets not forget that GW is not an MMO, if they had asked for a sub it would have been just silly.
GW is no more than a CO-OP RPG with lobby.
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Yes, it is demo, quite good and generous. The F2P plan is a mess and expensive.
What you do is sub for one month or better yet buy Moria box that has one month for free.
Of course, when you buy the box, you can as well buy GW and skip any additional and/or future costs.
The new "free travel for old subs" just pushes the game more in that direction. Sub for one month. They should just tell you and save you the grief.
If you wanted to "buy" the game, you could go lifetime before, it was way cheaper than the cash shop is now, and you did not need to wait for F2P. Anyone who "bought" the game right now in one go has little to tell others other than he wasted his money and is oblivious to MMO scene.
1 month VIP + Buying all the content out of the shop is cheaper in the long run.
If you plan to play for atleast a year. If your going to game hop like a ADD kiddie then yes spending 8 months sub worth of cash in one lump sum its fucking retardation lol.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
If you want F2P LotRO just go with the US version which is handled by Turbine itself.
the shop in EU is the same as NA, the OP was making up some of the prices up.
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How different is the shop in EU? Is it much more expensive?
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
from what roketeer has been saying it is pretty much the same, if it is more expensive in the EU then CM are shooting themselves in the foot.
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From a CS persons post in forums we are obviously behind on sales(they run on a preplanned schedule apparently), which is why we go through them quicker until we caught up. From there on US/EU will mostly have the same sales, with changes due to different national holidays.
Point prices are a bit pricier though, due to much higher taxrates in EU and the horrid state those shambles you call a economy in the US are in. But really thats not CMs fault, and judging by the opening of yet another new server today not their problem either.
What i said stands. You should have bough the game when it was cheap not now when it is expensive and try to fool yourself you made a bargain. You did not. Do you have all skirmishes? How will you deal with unlocks if you ever roll an alt? How is your PvP? Destiny, rested XP and other small perks? Are you getting +10 stat tome every month for free? You bough just some bits of the game, at the worst imaginable time, you came late, it was not smart, so cut back on the insults.
Back to topic: shop in EU is the same points, but the cost of cash per point is slightly higher.
BS. You can unlock all SoA areas for around 50€, Rockgod then got the MoM box for cheap i think, so with mirkwood around 80€. The MoM box took care of any trait/virtue limits on up to 7 chars, PvP is not a selling point with LotRO anyway and small perks are just that small perks.
I on the other hand, paid 50€ for the SoA box in 2007, 40€ i think for MoM and like 30€ for mirkwood. If i had had a active subscription since 2007(which i hadn't) that would have been another 360€ for 480€ total. And someone in that situation would actually have less with a lapsed sub than rockgod has secured himself forever.
Rockgod pal, think your going to spend like 500 bucks worth of TP on the game anytime soon?
<100€ for everything LotRO has to offer without ever having to sub is a damn good deal, and not even LTAs have something better right now, will take almost 2 years for the accumulated TPs to make up the 100€ more a LTA costs.
When NA had a sale on TP i paid for two 49.99 worth of coins i believe it was around 7k each with the % bonus.
With that I cleared out the shop of all content (xpacs, skirm, quest packs).
I got curious about monsterplay so I subbed for 1 month. In doing so all my characters now have gold limit, chat resrictions and trait restrictions lifted.
I drop Vip status soon but since i did sub i get swift travel unlocked for all 9 of my characters with the november update.
And with monsterplay being released onto the shop early next year what am i missing?
Rest XP? Did you read my post complaining about leveling too fast out of content? Do i really need rest XP?
I honestly can't see what a sub has over me now and I spent only $115.
To top it all off by the time i level my three favorite classes ill have a crazy amount of TP to purchase any content Turbine tosses at me including expansions.
Shit I dont know what to do with the 2k TP i have right now and i only have two characters slightly above mid level.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP