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FFXIV's issue was not the release date!
Uproar
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I am tired of every other post about this game saying how the beta testers warned this part was incomplete or that part needed fixed, etc. The bugs, minorly incompleted features, other rush related issues with this game at launch were typical for an MMO these days. Not saying that is o'kay or shouldn't be discussed, but those are not the real issues with this game.
Many players will hang on to a game that just needs a month or two worth of bug fixes to make it playable (whether they should or not is not the issue -- the devs / big-wiggams know this to be the case and so they are always willing to deliver premature releases with ready made scripts of how unexpected this or that was and how they've got what we want coming in the next release or two). Of course, playable does not equal good, but people will put up with a lot of crap as long as they have something worth gaining from the effort.
And that is where this game meets its epic face-dive into the pavement. IT's BORING. It's tedious -- no, not just the UI, the entire gameplay. Go walk 10 miles through a town to get 3-4 quests. Walk miles back do 3-4 quests. Grind if you can stand it or come back for your next 3-4 quests. Combat is boring. Mobs are bizarre (to be expected in FF, but I'm still going to complain about fighting puffballs, furry globules, fire flies, and other stupidly silly things, irrelevent, non-heroic, Asian lazy-polygonist, over-tectured crap). I really do not understand the thinking "oh look how cute that bizzbing is -- let's kill it!"
The whole idea of picking your class based on your weapon? Cute idea that within 10 minutes should have been exposed as a super lame idea. So basically if you like a class you get a choice of 1 or 2 weapon types? What? Played Wow? Played EQ? Get a clue FF Devs.
Why must I be made to hang onto just one character like it is my link to life? It's not. Characters are links to other people's lives (So to speak). I want to be lots of other people (At times). Not just Obama NoIdiothere Ifyoubemymanmeatforever. Quit trying to make one character do it all. Give me a reason to want to have 10 characters cause I love each difference in each one so much that I can't stand to have only one. Isn't it obvious that would breed more long-term interest? It is to me and just about every other MMO out there (even if many fail at it -- they do at least try).
The levels I managed to hang around and play felt very confined (once outside the massively annoying cities). You are tunneled to a field. You fight to get over hills only to find you are still in a tunnel. Even in entry zones one should not meet artificial walls at every turn.
Auction house? Why does it even exist? Not like it matters. You level and you get -- you don't craft, trade, and horde. The game doesn't promote that. I like games that do, but this isn't one. I only need 1 good weapon -- nothing drives me to have two. DAOC was one game that got this. In some ways Wow does, but only after many years and for more mundane reasons.
Sad thing for me is I expected most of this from what I read, but hoped for more, afterall it was their second mmo. I think I only rushed to get it as I was bored with everything else at the time. Otherwise I would have waited to hear how it turned out. With some optimisim, but why I don't know. FFXI sucked too after playing it for any length of time. This is not a AAA development as I have seen some describe it. This has always just been a C-level developer, but one that spent AAA dollars ($) to make that C-level product (well I think FFXIV might be a D-level really).
No, I am sorry to say as the CEO supposedly already warned was a possibility. This game is irredeemable. It can torn into component pieces and be rebuilt, recreated from the ground up, but it can not be patched -- it is a lost cause.
What a shame.
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the only good part about this game is the fact that one character can do everything.
And ironically the biggest issue is few players want to do anything with it, lol.
There are other ways to do this then the lame approach of leveling the same character 6 ways.
If it's just to help fill groups that's what GW used henchmen to do. If it's just about boredom, allow respecs like Wow.
I think even SWG's profession tree was miles ahead of this method. I at least wanted to play other characters too, but for those that didn't they could 'fix' the one they had.
I see this as a gimmick. A couple of other MMOS have tried it (Ryzom for one), but I've never seen an MMO flourish with this approach.
I'll always be in favor of one character that can level every class over the alt option.
It makes your actions mean more server wise when everyone knows everyone else.
The way FFXI did it was perfect and i wish more companies adopted that method.
Unfortunately you first have to have interesting classes or you end up with FFXIV.
The only issue this game has is how much it sucks.
Plain and simple.
Just a few minor corrections that wont negate the validity of your points.
Certain classes (Gladiator, Conjurer, Thaumaturge) have a small range of weapons to choose from . Hell gladiators get a choice of dinner knife, butt paddles, and the like.
I think many can't see the forest for the trees. If only the fix the UI lag, if only they give us an auction house, etc...
At the end of the day the people that like the game are satisfied grinding crabs for weeks or months on end, they find it fun. For the rest of us, well, we just need to stay far away.
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
That was one of the concepts I really liked that was being used in this game. I wish more would use it as well.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Sigh, people and their eternal quest for instant gratification.
Let's face it. You just don't have what it takes to build an FF in-game economy from the ground up. You're either new, or comming from FFXI, where the economy was already pre-built by all the Japanese players before you even touched the game. It even came with an expansion.
Take a break and come back in a year. You might even like the game when it's actually set up propper.
I can put up with a lot of shit in a game, but what I cannot put up with is no reward, and no way of communicating with random people. How are you supposed to meet people in game if you do not have some sort of basic world chat. Moderate them to hell for all I care, but I played for 3 weeks and only saw one person offer invites to their linkshell with no one in it. If their would have been a world channel I atleast could have met people to play with making the game PERHAPS a bit more enjoyable.
The fact there is no real reward is annoying too. I am OK with not having quests, and I am certainly ok with grinding (sort of). What I am not ok with is the terrible crafting system that requires you too be in a social atmosphere to make stuff. OH SURE I can level up all my tradeskills.. Maybe i'll level blacksmithing up to 20ish so I can create a level 8 item with carpentry. Total bullshit. Since I am ranting I want to make it clear that the tradeskill parts are actually ok and could be enjoyable even. Needing shards for regular anything is just plain annoying too.
This game could have been awesome if......
*They rewarded people gear for quests and/or doing something important in the game (Crafting gear OF COURSE better)
*Crafting completely revamped. Not the process of crafting or even the recipes, but give us a recipe book. Also would be nice to see intuitive design and not random garbage everywhere. Thanks.
*In game browser. We get it, you dont' want us using 3rd party programs.
*World Chat - Completely moderated, optional
*I know combat fixes are coming but for FFS I cannot stand the 3 second pause it takes to switch weapons.
I really do think this game is salvageable, but SE (if they even care) need to stop believing that they know what people want.
People wont be able to come back in a year to see if FFXIV is set up proper, because if there's any justice in the mmo world, this game wont exist by then. Companies need to know that they cannot release these half-baked, unfinished, and stupidly designed products and expect people to pay top dollar to play.
As for the maturity of the economy, that notion is inconsequential. As it exists now, there's no way to find your item for sale other than randomly clicking on player vendors. It's like shopping for a specific item by raiding people's storage lockers. Even old-school EverQuest had an auction channel people could use to spam their wares.
I know SE is planning to fix this later, but the fact is that it remains broken. Further, your comment on maturity of the economy is completely irrelevant.
LOL. People will defend anything. FFXIV deserves to be the collossal failure it is.
And in a year, everyone and their mother will be awaiting Guild Wars 2 and Diablo 3. FF14 is dead.
I actually liked how the Bazaar worked in EQ1 (minus the lag) If SE can mimic this then by all means, thats just as good. Type an item, find it, follow the glowing trail to the vendor.
I absolutely agree with the OP. Also just knowing that the game will force you in leveling other classes by capping xp gain based on time played is enough for me.
What I don't understand is people complaining that they "wasted" 50$ only to find out that of course that magical patch between open beta and release didn't happen. It's not that no one was warned how the game was functioning, since open beta was open for absolutely everyone, and left you plenty of time to cancel your preorder.
Most everyone has heard the die hard fans accuse other folks of "not getting it" and not "having what it takes" about a bizzilion times. They are empty words without meaning spoken by people who can't see facts if those facts are contrary to their beliefs.
I have also heard people use "instant gratification" as some kind of argument against peoples displeasure with a game being rational. Doing this is pretty silly.
What is "instant gratification"? Well, the opposite of "instant gratification" is defined as "disappointment". So "instant gratification" would be... having fun from the start?
Errr... ok. You can go ahead and use those buzz words as an empty argument if you like because people defined as demanding "instant gratification" are just people that want to have fun in their games. It is a game after all. If it takes forever to find any fun in what you are doing then you should change the definition to what it actually is... work. In my town people get paid to go to work.
Just as a side note: there are plenty of folks reporting the higher levels that are possible within the games release time as being "worse" than the beginning parts.
>>>> So you are defining "instant gratification" as having fun before the first year. Sorry, that's totally insane.
If that were the case then you shouldn't be charged any subs till the first year was up. Maybe the company should even be paying you for "setting the game up proper" as you call it.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
I like having a stable of characters. I *like* alts, each with its own special role and purpose, not a jack-of-all-trades and master of all trades too. It just seems so terribly uninspiring.
For me, this is a serious negative.
According to SE your the issue an not the game. you know why? because they are getting paid right now still from FFXIV no matter what you say. these servers are up an running as of right now lol. They also said don't talk about our game you noob reviewers. SMACK! play it longer... heres another free month, no excuses, an go level up!
you should be like TY SE for letting me have a free month, don't be ungrateful about the game you purchased. It was a thanks to the players who bought the game. They don't care about a release date nor how polished it is for beggars they can't be choosers. they are watching ff14 because they have no choice but to bow down an watch SE behind the scenes because their previous games raped their childhood weekends with chocobos an ancient magic that was used on dragons.
Even the CEO disagrees with you.
The End.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Winner winner chicken dinner.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Let's not resort to trolling. It's fine to talk about the things that don't work or are not great but just saying that something sucks just ends up being another report that has to be dealt with when I can be dealing with the guy who went off the deep end and ended up necroing threads with nonsense.
Please keep discussion civil and constructive. Thanks!
Free month wasn't to thank people who played it was to retain the players so there is no mass exodus and hope they bring in new players. As for SE FF XIV box sales have tappered off at 600k they already revamped their earning 10% lower (which goes to show they were expecting 1mil+ sales)
They should have limited their beta access more if they wanted more sales. If they kept the game as much a mystery as possibe, more poeple might have been inclined to buy it to satisfy their curiosity.
Err...you're kidding...aren't you?
That's EVIL
No joke. There are plenty of companies that do just that.
The only downside, is that there is a lot of stigma involved with doing that if the game happens to fail.
SE realized early on that the game has a fairly high chance to flop on release, so they made it as transparent as possible in order to salvage as much of their reputation as possible.
They will most certainly not give up on it though. They will continue to improve on the game because they already have so much invested in it to quit now.
I bought the CE, i've "drank from the kool-aid" of SE for plenty of years, and i'm one of the "fan boyz" who STILL knows there are issues they need to fix.....QUICK. that being said, i'll never defend my purchase, or yell "TROLL TROLL TROLL!" i'll agree that they've dropped the ball.
and frankly i know more than a few people who, while still liking and playing have started a countdown.......and the clock's not done ticking....but it's getting close.
all in all, people who defend to the death or yell "go back to wow" sicken me just as much as the ones who thow out the statement you just gave. no real complaint, no real issue, just folks who yell "ha ha fanboi" and giggle. if you've played it and sene the flaws...point them out, if not...don't just jump on the "it sucks" bandwagon...it's really just as bad.
i'll at least talk to the ones who've gone "i've played it and here's what i think is wrong." buth yelling "go back to wow" or "fanboi loser" just grinds my gears.
Played:FFXI, WoW, LOTR,EQ. Playing:FFXIV.
Looking Forward To:DCU, SWTOR.