They still got Nomura though hes their last hope with the game hes workin on which is Final Fantasy versus 13 and this game looks very similar to FF7 and 8. And hes been around since FF5 but started as character designer.
Oh ya and they still got Kingdom Hearts which is a great series too thats created by Nomura.
WTB Chronotrigger, FF6, FF2, Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, Xenogears remakes done by original devs. When did they decide, "Well, we've made great games. Time to fuck everything up!"
Amen.
No remakes.
NO REMAKES!
The games were perfect as they were. If you think updated graphics could fix anything about those games, you're wrong. This isn't opinion either. There's plenty of examples that conclude that my conclusion is fact based.
Don't let Square Enix anywhere near the good stuff Squaresoft produced.
I would love to play the real second half of Xenogears where it is obvious they had to cut the game short and use monologues about what is going on by the characters sitting in a chair.
Then again, I see your point about letting the new guys touch the old stuff.
ummm Xenosaga is what Xenogears was meant to be. I have played all episodes of xenosaga and it was a great game with a very deep story but I still thought that Xenogears was much better.
When will they learn that the final fantasy franchise (spelling?) aren't mmo material? Ofc they want a wow success but they will not get it with such a slow pace game. Focus on other games that are not for the mmo genre perhaps? Someone ougth to tell them that no one will pay a montly fee for a game that sucks in multiplayer. I, for one, want to control my whole team and give them commands in any given fight, I dont want to depend on someone else at all times.
Keep the Final Fantasy games in singleplayer and take some other game and make it MMO if its subscribers they want. Hell buy the wow engine off blizzard and moogle it.
What are you talking about, FInal Fantasy 11 was a great MMORPG and it came out before WoW so they were not thinking of WoW success or anything.
WTB Chronotrigger, FF6, FF2, Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, Xenogears remakes done by original devs. When did they decide, "Well, we've made great games. Time to fuck everything up!"
Agreed, the golden age of gaming...
Secret of Mana... *drool*. Time to go grab the SNES from the basement!
I know there's a translation of SoM3 out there which is just an amazing game. Better yet great way to practice your Japanese skills.. I remember back in the day playing it with my old kanji dictionary. Sad it wont ever see a re-release
Agree with everything here except that FFXI was square enix and was their best game to me. I still say FFXI is best mmorpg ever made no matter what, played 6 years and loved it. FFXIV was my hope to play many years an mmorpg again but I was wrong
I agree totally and feel the same way.I know it sounds dumb but we can sort of blame Wow,well not Blizz or Wow but the mindless dummies who support Wow.I am sure everyone agrees that Wow's success has all these devs thinking,that just maybe they should steal an idea or two from Wow to garner more subs.HUGE mistake.
I think the biggest problem with Square is they are getting greedy,they are trying to whip out games and recover cost much faster,without putting in the effort.FFXI's design took a ton of effrot i can see it in every part of the game.
I think Tanaka put so much of his life and effort into FXi,that he grew tired and wants a break,he wants to sit back now and collect the huge salary.Tanaka let some bumling idiots design FFXIV,Square will never live this down and i still doubt that tanaka wants to spend so mcuh time of his life to once again design something as big as FFXI was.The only way Square could rebound is to hire or put in charge some better people that know how to be creative and think for themselves without copying from other ideas,this may take a very long time.
How much creativity have we seen in the other two camps...SOE and Blizz?absolutely NONE,they do nothing but create the same old over and over again,so it really seems that it will take a very long time before we again get some creative mind or minds to make us a game,the way Tanaka did with FFXi,a game that btw also showed poor direction since TOAU,so this Sqaure debacle has been a long time coming.
I do agree a lot of developers over the past couple of years have tried to mimmick WoW. You can't out WoW WoW and the people playing WoW will just stick to it and ignore clones. I do think it is pretty stupid to point blame to Blizzard and WoW fans though, they are not the ones making other games like 14 fail. Square Enix already had an established fan base and they didn't meet their expectations either. If anything companies should look at Blizzard and realize that polish is incredibly important. Blizzard sets the bar on polish and I'm glad people are not supporting half finished buggy garbage anymore.
Much of the decline was laid at the feet of MMO Final Fantasy XIV's disappointing performance. The PC game mustered global sales of 630,000 - although a PS3 version due in March may improve its fortunes.
"We're quickly working on reforms. We'd like to put our full power into regaining trust," CEO Yoichi Wada told investors.
"If we satisfy our users, they will return. On the other hand, once the users say, 'forget this,' there's no turning back. We can only recover our trust so far."
The part about trust and only being able to regain so much after it has been lost has been true of MMOs since the beginning. It never, ever pays off to rush an unfinished or flawed game to market. Ever. Sometimes, finances force an early release, as in release now, or it dies completely. However, SE is a big enough company, with sufficient resources that there was no need to rush the release. Sure, they would have had an even worse quarter with out it, but they killed the future of the game moving forward, just in an effort to help the numbers for one quarter!
It's too bad this genre is so full of idiot publishers who are so willing to throw away what could have been a hugely profitable title, if given more time.
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They still got Nomura though hes their last hope with the game hes workin on which is Final Fantasy versus 13 and this game looks very similar to FF7 and 8. And hes been around since FF5 but started as character designer.
Oh ya and they still got Kingdom Hearts which is a great series too thats created by Nomura.
ummm Xenosaga is what Xenogears was meant to be. I have played all episodes of xenosaga and it was a great game with a very deep story but I still thought that Xenogears was much better.
What are you talking about, FInal Fantasy 11 was a great MMORPG and it came out before WoW so they were not thinking of WoW success or anything.
I know there's a translation of SoM3 out there which is just an amazing game. Better yet great way to practice your Japanese skills.. I remember back in the day playing it with my old kanji dictionary. Sad it wont ever see a re-release
In response to the title of this thread, all I really want to know is...
Did the hit cap out at 9999 damage, or was the limit broken?
Limit broken.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
I do agree a lot of developers over the past couple of years have tried to mimmick WoW. You can't out WoW WoW and the people playing WoW will just stick to it and ignore clones. I do think it is pretty stupid to point blame to Blizzard and WoW fans though, they are not the ones making other games like 14 fail. Square Enix already had an established fan base and they didn't meet their expectations either. If anything companies should look at Blizzard and realize that polish is incredibly important. Blizzard sets the bar on polish and I'm glad people are not supporting half finished buggy garbage anymore.
The part about trust and only being able to regain so much after it has been lost has been true of MMOs since the beginning. It never, ever pays off to rush an unfinished or flawed game to market. Ever. Sometimes, finances force an early release, as in release now, or it dies completely. However, SE is a big enough company, with sufficient resources that there was no need to rush the release. Sure, they would have had an even worse quarter with out it, but they killed the future of the game moving forward, just in an effort to help the numbers for one quarter!
It's too bad this genre is so full of idiot publishers who are so willing to throw away what could have been a hugely profitable title, if given more time.
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