I actually think it's a really good idea for this game not to be on PC.
The average PC gamer who really wants to play DUST 514 probably also plays EVE Online. So this would just hurt the EVE population. It would essentially cannibalize the EVE population for another CCP game. Really stupid strategy.
Also, a keyboard and mouse would give PC gamers a huge advantage over console gamers. Console gamers would quit over time leaving you with PC players. PC players who are not playing EVE.
The number of FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. There is just such a large number of FPS console players untapped for an MMOFPS. And, again, console and PC FPS players can't play together. It's been tried before and failed.
CCP has the right strategy even if PC players are grumbling.
Actually, FORMER EVE players might be more inclined to play this game IF it were on PC. As one of those former EVE players, the idea of play in the EVE universe in the setting as set for DUST 514 sounds very interesting. However, it does not sound as interesting when I see that I would have to play it on a console. I own a console and I sometimes play FPS games on it. However, they are just not the same nor as much fun for me as when playing on my PC.
I would also have to question you on the statement that FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. I seriously have to doubt that. What many that taught consoles over PC in this regard tend to do is make that statement but fail to back it up with credible sources. Just that fact that FPS have been around on PC far longer then consoles tends to say that PC FPS game playing has been more poplular for a far longer period of time.
So you're saying you're a PC first gamer really interested in the EVE Universe but not actively playing EVE, own a console, sometimes actually enjoy consoles FPS games, but probably wouldn't play DUST 514 on console? I think that equation puts you in the minority.
And FPS fans on consoles crush PC FPS fans based on sales. That's the only tangible thing we have to go by. And, again, PC and console players playing together has been tried and didn't work. Alienating the largest FPS playerbase by forcing them to play with PC players with superior controls (who could be playing EVE) doesn't seem like a smart strategy.
While I agree that PC and console players should never be pitted against one another it is really a huge shame that this title is not coming out for the PC market. It is as if we are being punished for supporting CCP for all these years. Hey fans, we know you have stuck with us through thick and thin and have eagerly awaited the day when we would add avatars and let you do amazing things with them but... well we are going to give you the finger and only let a market that has never given us the time of day do all the cool stuff and you can just stand around your captain's quarters and yoink to your market terminal. Thanks for all your money!
I actually think it's a really good idea for this game not to be on PC.
The average PC gamer who really wants to play DUST 514 probably also plays EVE Online. So this would just hurt the EVE population. It would essentially cannibalize the EVE population for another CCP game. Really stupid strategy.
Also, a keyboard and mouse would give PC gamers a huge advantage over console gamers. Console gamers would quit over time leaving you with PC players. PC players who are not playing EVE.
The number of FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. There is just such a large number of FPS console players untapped for an MMOFPS. And, again, console and PC FPS players can't play together. It's been tried before and failed.
CCP has the right strategy even if PC players are grumbling.
Actually, FORMER EVE players might be more inclined to play this game IF it were on PC. As one of those former EVE players, the idea of play in the EVE universe in the setting as set for DUST 514 sounds very interesting. However, it does not sound as interesting when I see that I would have to play it on a console. I own a console and I sometimes play FPS games on it. However, they are just not the same nor as much fun for me as when playing on my PC.
I would also have to question you on the statement that FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. I seriously have to doubt that. What many that taught consoles over PC in this regard tend to do is make that statement but fail to back it up with credible sources. Just that fact that FPS have been around on PC far longer then consoles tends to say that PC FPS game playing has been more poplular for a far longer period of time.
So you're saying you're a PC first gamer really interested in the EVE Universe but not actively playing EVE, own a console, sometimes actually enjoy consoles FPS games, but probably wouldn't play DUST 514 on console? I think that equation puts you in the minority.
And FPS fans on consoles crush PC FPS fans based on sales. That's the only tangible thing we have to go by. And, again, PC and console players playing together has been tried and didn't work. Alienating the largest FPS playerbase by forcing them to play with PC players with superior controls (who could be playing EVE) doesn't seem like a smart strategy.
So, you're saying that they're going for the money, and ignoring the PC players that put CCP on the map via their support.
I actually think it's a really good idea for this game not to be on PC.
The average PC gamer who really wants to play DUST 514 probably also plays EVE Online. So this would just hurt the EVE population. It would essentially cannibalize the EVE population for another CCP game. Really stupid strategy.
Also, a keyboard and mouse would give PC gamers a huge advantage over console gamers. Console gamers would quit over time leaving you with PC players. PC players who are not playing EVE.
The number of FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. There is just such a large number of FPS console players untapped for an MMOFPS. And, again, console and PC FPS players can't play together. It's been tried before and failed.
CCP has the right strategy even if PC players are grumbling.
Actually, FORMER EVE players might be more inclined to play this game IF it were on PC. As one of those former EVE players, the idea of play in the EVE universe in the setting as set for DUST 514 sounds very interesting. However, it does not sound as interesting when I see that I would have to play it on a console. I own a console and I sometimes play FPS games on it. However, they are just not the same nor as much fun for me as when playing on my PC.
I would also have to question you on the statement that FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. I seriously have to doubt that. What many that taught consoles over PC in this regard tend to do is make that statement but fail to back it up with credible sources. Just that fact that FPS have been around on PC far longer then consoles tends to say that PC FPS game playing has been more poplular for a far longer period of time.
So you're saying you're a PC first gamer really interested in the EVE Universe but not actively playing EVE, own a console, sometimes actually enjoy consoles FPS games, but probably wouldn't play DUST 514 on console? I think that equation puts you in the minority.
And FPS fans on consoles crush PC FPS fans based on sales. That's the only tangible thing we have to go by. And, again, PC and console players playing together has been tried and didn't work. Alienating the largest FPS playerbase by forcing them to play with PC players with superior controls (who could be playing EVE) doesn't seem like a smart strategy.
So, you're saying that they're going for the money, and ignoring the PC players that put CCP on the map via their support.
That and its no secret MS has been throwing around hefty sums of money to get xbox its first MMO
So you're saying you're a PC first gamer really interested in the EVE Universe but not actively playing EVE, own a console, sometimes actually enjoy consoles FPS games, but probably wouldn't play DUST 514 on console? I think that equation puts you in the minority.
And FPS fans on consoles crush PC FPS fans based on sales. That's the only tangible thing we have to go by. And, again, PC and console players playing together has been tried and didn't work. Alienating the largest FPS playerbase by forcing them to play with PC players with superior controls (who could be playing EVE) doesn't seem like a smart strategy.
So, you're saying that they're going for the money, and ignoring the PC players that put CCP on the map via their support.
Dust 514 is a seperate MMO within the EVE Universe. CCP's strategy is to expand the EVE Universe via consoles not cannibalize it with a PC option for Dust 514 (which would happen).
I actually think it's a really good idea for this game not to be on PC.
The average PC gamer who really wants to play DUST 514 probably also plays EVE Online. So this would just hurt the EVE population. It would essentially cannibalize the EVE population for another CCP game. Really stupid strategy.
Also, a keyboard and mouse would give PC gamers a huge advantage over console gamers. Console gamers would quit over time leaving you with PC players. PC players who are not playing EVE.
The number of FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. There is just such a large number of FPS console players untapped for an MMOFPS. And, again, console and PC FPS players can't play together. It's been tried before and failed.
CCP has the right strategy even if PC players are grumbling.
Actually, FORMER EVE players might be more inclined to play this game IF it were on PC. As one of those former EVE players, the idea of play in the EVE universe in the setting as set for DUST 514 sounds very interesting. However, it does not sound as interesting when I see that I would have to play it on a console. I own a console and I sometimes play FPS games on it. However, they are just not the same nor as much fun for me as when playing on my PC.
I would also have to question you on the statement that FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. I seriously have to doubt that. What many that taught consoles over PC in this regard tend to do is make that statement but fail to back it up with credible sources. Just that fact that FPS have been around on PC far longer then consoles tends to say that PC FPS game playing has been more poplular for a far longer period of time.
So you're saying you're a PC first gamer really interested in the EVE Universe but not actively playing EVE, own a console, sometimes actually enjoy consoles FPS games, but probably wouldn't play DUST 514 on console? I think that equation puts you in the minority.
And FPS fans on consoles crush PC FPS fans based on sales. That's the only tangible thing we have to go by. And, again, PC and console players playing together has been tried and didn't work. Alienating the largest FPS playerbase by forcing them to play with PC players with superior controls (who could be playing EVE) doesn't seem like a smart strategy.
So, you're saying that they're going for the money, and ignoring the PC players that put CCP on the map via their support.
Yes. And guess what. I never gave CCP a dime, but i will be playing Dust 514 while you linger betrayed and abandoned in your 50 ton steel coffin in space.
This is actually a good decision. I'm sick of all those hackers wallhacking and aimbotting their way on PC FPS servers thus spoiling all the other player's gaming experiences.
Hacking on FPSes occurs much lesser closed platforms like consoles and the fact you have to reformat a new harddrive before you use it on the console because it's unrecognised. It takes a real determined and experienced hacker to be get away with it on XBL/PSN as they will just ban the entire console and account from playing online.
It only takes one determined and experienced hacker (or team of hackes), then he, she, or they release an easy to follow tutorial, and/or whatever utilities are needed to perform said hack. Aimbots are already quite prevalent in console games. Hacking re-brewing, and botting are becoming more of a problem every month. I agree it is in a far more primative stage than PC hacking but then PC hackers have around 20 years experiance over console hacking. Consoles (and hand-helds) are just the new frontier.
So don't fool yourself into thinking that its worth a company to freeze out a large number of its player base by switching to a platform where piracy and cheating isn't as developed (YET). It would make as much sense for CCP to say "Well there are so many Viruses on PC's we are only going to release a Mac client to keep our customers safe."
And as for the whole "they will just ban the entire account and console" idea? The risk of getting caught rarely dissuades many people from breaking rules, in fact for most hackers this risk is THE biggest thrill of doing what they are doing. Also if you do a bit of research you will find that there are quite a few unban hacks already out there, so even getting caught isn't as much of a risk as the industry would like consumers to think it to be.
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So, you're saying that they're going for the money, and ignoring the PC players that put CCP on the map via their support.
That sounds reasonable to me.
This game is nothing but an overpriced EVE commercial. It's only being released to other demographics so they can try to lure unsuspecting fools to their dreadfully boring money pit.
You'll see once it releases, it'll be just another mediocre shooter. If it was for PC and an update for EVE, they might be able to get away with it but people are going to be judging this game by it's own merits and frankly I don't think CCP has the ability to make anything good enough to be competitive in the console market.
This game is nothing but an overpriced EVE commercial. It's only being released to other demographics so they can try to lure unsuspecting fools to their dreadfully boring money pit.
You'll see once it releases, it'll be just another mediocre shooter. If it was for PC and an update for EVE, they might be able to get away with it but people are going to be judging this game by it's own merits and frankly I don't think CCP has the ability to make anything good enough to be competitive in the console market.
How can a console FPS be a "commercial" for a PC space pilot sandbox mmo ?
Wow, the ammount of people who know nothing about what they talk about here is amazing!
First off lets start with why they would choose a consolel.My thoughts are its trying to bring to worlds together ( the same way EvE and Dust 514 will be together ) ,also it hits a much larger market (i'm a PC guy all the way but lets face it every kid in the US has a xbox/ps3).Does this mean that Dust wont be a competive game of fun ?No.Take a look at GoW ,Halo,Resistance,Killzone...I could go on.But most of those game are very sucessful and even competive in MLG .
I do think that for Dust to be sucessful they will have to have more to it then a common shooter ( like a cover system ,teamplay options like ammo resupply and so on) .Also you must think about what door this could open if it is sucessful.TS3/Ventrillo could make a crossplatform service for console/PC to communicate with and it could open more doors to crossplatfrom games ( that said someone good with a mouse will KILL someone good with a controler) but I'm sure so of you get the picture.Also if CCP is in fact using the UT engine I would almost prefer it to be on consolel as that engine is the most hacked engine ever and its a bit harder to hack on console.
Will see how it pans out .But i'm sure hardcore PC gamers are not going to rush out and buy a xbox/ps3 just to play .But there's enough of a market around with them already to be very sucessful.
I actually think it's a really good idea for this game not to be on PC.
The average PC gamer who really wants to play DUST 514 probably also plays EVE Online. So this would just hurt the EVE population. It would essentially cannibalize the EVE population for another CCP game. Really stupid strategy.
Also, a keyboard and mouse would give PC gamers a huge advantage over console gamers. Console gamers would quit over time leaving you with PC players. PC players who are not playing EVE.
The number of FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. There is just such a large number of FPS console players untapped for an MMOFPS. And, again, console and PC FPS players can't play together. It's been tried before and failed.
CCP has the right strategy even if PC players are grumbling.
Actually, FORMER EVE players might be more inclined to play this game IF it were on PC. As one of those former EVE players, the idea of play in the EVE universe in the setting as set for DUST 514 sounds very interesting. However, it does not sound as interesting when I see that I would have to play it on a console. I own a console and I sometimes play FPS games on it. However, they are just not the same nor as much fun for me as when playing on my PC.
I would also have to question you on the statement that FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. I seriously have to doubt that. What many that taught consoles over PC in this regard tend to do is make that statement but fail to back it up with credible sources. Just that fact that FPS have been around on PC far longer then consoles tends to say that PC FPS game playing has been more poplular for a far longer period of time.
Sorry, but this is not a good source. First of all, many PC FPS players have gone to digital only downloads. That skews the numbers when taken from the site which you quote. Plus, you have only shown the "cross platform" and in at least two cases console to PC ports rather then PC only or PC to console games. Go look at the number of PC players that played and purchased games like Quake or Doom or any number of PC exclusive games since.
I actually think it's a really good idea for this game not to be on PC.
The average PC gamer who really wants to play DUST 514 probably also plays EVE Online. So this would just hurt the EVE population. It would essentially cannibalize the EVE population for another CCP game. Really stupid strategy.
Also, a keyboard and mouse would give PC gamers a huge advantage over console gamers. Console gamers would quit over time leaving you with PC players. PC players who are not playing EVE.
The number of FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. There is just such a large number of FPS console players untapped for an MMOFPS. And, again, console and PC FPS players can't play together. It's been tried before and failed.
CCP has the right strategy even if PC players are grumbling.
Actually, FORMER EVE players might be more inclined to play this game IF it were on PC. As one of those former EVE players, the idea of play in the EVE universe in the setting as set for DUST 514 sounds very interesting. However, it does not sound as interesting when I see that I would have to play it on a console. I own a console and I sometimes play FPS games on it. However, they are just not the same nor as much fun for me as when playing on my PC.
I would also have to question you on the statement that FPS fans on consoles combined crushes the number on PC. I seriously have to doubt that. What many that taught consoles over PC in this regard tend to do is make that statement but fail to back it up with credible sources. Just that fact that FPS have been around on PC far longer then consoles tends to say that PC FPS game playing has been more poplular for a far longer period of time.
Sorry, but this is not a good source. First of all, many PC FPS players have gone to digital only downloads. That skews the numbers when taken from the site which you quote. Plus, you have only shown the "cross platform" and in at least two cases console to PC ports rather then PC only or PC to console games. Go look at the number of PC players that played and purchased games like Quake or Doom or any number of PC exclusive games since.
Ok then. Enjoy your PC FPS exclusives. Since, according to you, PC still dominates the market i'm sure there are plenty of them.
Sorry, but this is not a good source. First of all, many PC FPS players have gone to digital only downloads. That skews the numbers when taken from the site which you quote. Plus, you have only shown the "cross platform" and in at least two cases console to PC ports rather then PC only or PC to console games. Go look at the number of PC players that played and purchased games like Quake or Doom or any number of PC exclusive games since.
When was the last time publishers/developers of a multiplatform FPS stated the PC version outsold the console versions combined? When was the last time a PC FPS sold 22+ million copies? (like Black Ops did for PS3/Xbox 360 combined)
In terms of sales, consoles crush the PC for FPS games. That's just a fact.
Xbox 360: 12.45 million PS3: 9.17 million PC: 0.69 million Battlefield: Bad Company 2 sales: Xbox: 2.90 million PS3: 2.27 million PC: 0.62 million Crysis 2 sales: Xbox: 0.84 million PS3: 0.59 million PC: 0.21 million Left 4 Dead 2 sales: Xbox: 3.19 million PC: 0.29 million Source: http://www.vgchartz.com/
Sorry, but this is not a good source. First of all, many PC FPS players have gone to digital only downloads. That skews the numbers when taken from the site which you quote. Plus, you have only shown the "cross platform" and in at least two cases console to PC ports rather then PC only or PC to console games. Go look at the number of PC players that played and purchased games like Quake or Doom or any number of PC exclusive games since.
When was the last time publishers/developers of a multiplatform FPS stated the PC version outsold the console versions combined? When was the last time a PC FPS sold 22+ million copies? (like Black Ops did for PS3/Xbox 360 combined) In terms of sales, consoles crush the PC for FPS games. That's just a fact.
Sorry, but this is not a good source. First of all, many PC FPS players have gone to digital only downloads. That skews the numbers when taken from the site which you quote. Plus, you have only shown the "cross platform" and in at least two cases console to PC ports rather then PC only or PC to console games. Go look at the number of PC players that played and purchased games like Quake or Doom or any number of PC exclusive games since.
When was the last time publishers/developers of a multiplatform FPS stated the PC version outsold the console versions combined? When was the last time a PC FPS sold 22+ million copies? (like Black Ops did for PS3/Xbox 360 combined)
In terms of sales, consoles crush the PC for FPS games. That's just a fact.
Half-Life 2: 6.5mil
Counter-Strike: 4.2mil
Battlefield 1942: 4.03mil
Doom 3: 3.5mil
Duke Nukem 3D: 3.5mil
Battlefield 2: 2.09mil
S.T.A.L.K.E.R: 2mil
I don't see much crushing here.
(numbers taken from random google searches)
Dude, these are all titles from 7-8 years ago. STALKER being the only exception. Things have changed alot since then.
Sorry, but this is not a good source. First of all, many PC FPS players have gone to digital only downloads. That skews the numbers when taken from the site which you quote. Plus, you have only shown the "cross platform" and in at least two cases console to PC ports rather then PC only or PC to console games. Go look at the number of PC players that played and purchased games like Quake or Doom or any number of PC exclusive games since.
When was the last time publishers/developers of a multiplatform FPS stated the PC version outsold the console versions combined? When was the last time a PC FPS sold 22+ million copies? (like Black Ops did for PS3/Xbox 360 combined)
In terms of sales, consoles crush the PC for FPS games. That's just a fact.
Half-Life 2: 6.5mil
Counter-Strike: 4.2mil
Battlefield 1942: 4.03mil
Doom 3: 3.5mil
Duke Nukem 3D: 3.5mil
Battlefield 2: 2.09mil
S.T.A.L.K.E.R: 2mil
I don't see much crushing here.
(DISCLAIMER: Numbers taken from random google searches may not be entirely accurate)
Adding up those numbers you get around 24 million from seven PC games over the course of like 15 years. Call of Duty Black Ops for consoles sold 22+ million alone in under one year.
It's a total stomping. Thanks for reinforcing my point though.
In terms of sales, consoles crush the PC for FPS games. That's just a fact.
It is a fact and unfortunate proof that CCP cares more about raking in the money than the current customer base they have to thank for their ability to even make Dust 514. I am not againsts a company wanting to make a profit. I just think that is what is pissing off the majority of PC gamers. The fact that CCP took the money we gave them and used it to develop a product they could lock us out of. And no, everyone does not own an Xbox or PS3 these days. I don't like consoles. Will never own one. I 'would' have owned Dust.
Sorry, but this is not a good source. First of all, many PC FPS players have gone to digital only downloads. That skews the numbers when taken from the site which you quote. Plus, you have only shown the "cross platform" and in at least two cases console to PC ports rather then PC only or PC to console games. Go look at the number of PC players that played and purchased games like Quake or Doom or any number of PC exclusive games since.
When was the last time publishers/developers of a multiplatform FPS stated the PC version outsold the console versions combined? When was the last time a PC FPS sold 22+ million copies? (like Black Ops did for PS3/Xbox 360 combined)
In terms of sales, consoles crush the PC for FPS games. That's just a fact.
Half-Life 2: 6.5mil
Counter-Strike: 4.2mil
Battlefield 1942: 4.03mil
Doom 3: 3.5mil
Duke Nukem 3D: 3.5mil
Battlefield 2: 2.09mil
S.T.A.L.K.E.R: 2mil
I don't see much crushing here.
(numbers taken from random google searches)
Dude, these are all titles from 7-8 years ago. STALKER being the only exception. Things have changed alot since then.
First, my name is not "Dude". Second, you seem to think that just because a few years have passed that PC players have gone away. That simply is not the case. PC gamers are just as "loyal" as are newbie console owners....in fact maybe more so. While console owners are like the dog from UP....can only play a game for a short time before be distracted to a new one....PC gamers are loyal to the games they like and play. In fact, of those you listed above, most are still poplular among PC owners/players. PC owners go to great lengths to make sure that they can still play games that are "old" in your eyes because they love playing them and are loyal to them.
Here is another "fact" you can go look up if you dare, there are more PC's in the world then there are of all the consoles combined.
What compony set's out to NOT make as much as they can?
Guys ,just face it console games hit a much wider market then PC does.Its more user friendly and a 3 out of 4 homes have one.
Fact is shooter games have not done so well recently with PC and thats why everyone trys to make MMO's for PC.Also whoever made the comment about numbers not being right on with digi download is true but I REALLY dont think they would sell 14 mil digi copys.
Anyways PC IMO is better but you got to look at it for a business stand point and not just what YOU want.If CCP can make a ton of cash of this then that give them more cash to develope there next MMO.
Dude, these are all titles from 7-8 years ago. STALKER being the only exception. Things have changed alot since then.
First, my name is not "Dude". Second, you seem to think that just because a few years have passed that PC players have gone away. That simply is not the case. PC gamers are just as "loyal" as are newbie console owners....in fact maybe more so. While console owners are like the dog from UP....can only play a game for a short time before be distracted to a new one....PC gamers are loyal to the games they like and play. In fact, of those you listed above, most are still poplular among PC owners/players. PC owners go to great lengths to make sure that they can still play games that are "old" in your eyes because they love playing them and are loyal to them.
Here is another "fact" you can go look up if you dare, there are more PC's in the world then there are of all the consoles combined.
Loyal to the fact that, some of them don't even want to pay for their games, piracy is the biggest on PC, it sucks but it just is.
And yea, of course there are more PC the all consoles combine, if you include all those netbooks, PC for business, universities, laptops, desktops, I wouldn't even be amazed if there are 10-50x more PC than all consoles combined, since a lot of people own multiples PC as well. But my question to you is, how many of them are actually used to play games, which is the topic here, not the whole PC vs console wars.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW? As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
And yea, of course there are more PC the all consoles combine, if you include all those netbooks, PC for business, universities, laptops, desktops, I wouldn't even be amazed if there are 10-50x more PC than all consoles combined, since a lot of people own multiples PC as well. But my question to you is, how many of them are actually used to play games, which is the topic here, not the whole PC vs console wars.
Exactly. And how large is the PC FPS market vs. console FPS market. Based on sales it's not even close.
CCP wants DUST 514 to have a large playerbase that interacts with EVE. The console FPS market is clearly the way to go. Picking the PC market because the FPS genre started on PC's or because of nostalgia seems like a silly business decision.
On top of that PC gamers obviously can't play both DUST 514 and EVE simultaneously and would cannabilize the EVE population.
And yea, of course there are more PC the all consoles combine, if you include all those netbooks, PC for business, universities, laptops, desktops, I wouldn't even be amazed if there are 10-50x more PC than all consoles combined, since a lot of people own multiples PC as well. But my question to you is, how many of them are actually used to play games, which is the topic here, not the whole PC vs console wars.
Exactly. And how large is the PC FPS market vs. console FPS market. Based on sales it's not even close.
CCP wants DUST 514 to have a large playerbase that interacts with EVE. The console FPS market is clearly the way to go. Picking the PC market because the FPS genre started on PC's or because of nostalgia seems like a silly business decision.
On top of that PC gamers obviously can't play both DUST 514 and EVE simultaneously and would cannabilize the EVE population.
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So you're saying you're a PC first gamer really interested in the EVE Universe but not actively playing EVE, own a console, sometimes actually enjoy consoles FPS games, but probably wouldn't play DUST 514 on console? I think that equation puts you in the minority.
And FPS fans on consoles crush PC FPS fans based on sales. That's the only tangible thing we have to go by. And, again, PC and console players playing together has been tried and didn't work. Alienating the largest FPS playerbase by forcing them to play with PC players with superior controls (who could be playing EVE) doesn't seem like a smart strategy.
While I agree that PC and console players should never be pitted against one another it is really a huge shame that this title is not coming out for the PC market. It is as if we are being punished for supporting CCP for all these years. Hey fans, we know you have stuck with us through thick and thin and have eagerly awaited the day when we would add avatars and let you do amazing things with them but... well we are going to give you the finger and only let a market that has never given us the time of day do all the cool stuff and you can just stand around your captain's quarters and yoink to your market terminal. Thanks for all your money!
So, you're saying that they're going for the money, and ignoring the PC players that put CCP on the map via their support.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
That and its no secret MS has been throwing around hefty sums of money to get xbox its first MMO
Dust 514 is a seperate MMO within the EVE Universe. CCP's strategy is to expand the EVE Universe via consoles not cannibalize it with a PC option for Dust 514 (which would happen).
Yes. And guess what. I never gave CCP a dime, but i will be playing Dust 514 while you linger betrayed and abandoned in your 50 ton steel coffin in space.
It only takes one determined and experienced hacker (or team of hackes), then he, she, or they release an easy to follow tutorial, and/or whatever utilities are needed to perform said hack. Aimbots are already quite prevalent in console games. Hacking re-brewing, and botting are becoming more of a problem every month. I agree it is in a far more primative stage than PC hacking but then PC hackers have around 20 years experiance over console hacking. Consoles (and hand-helds) are just the new frontier.
So don't fool yourself into thinking that its worth a company to freeze out a large number of its player base by switching to a platform where piracy and cheating isn't as developed (YET). It would make as much sense for CCP to say "Well there are so many Viruses on PC's we are only going to release a Mac client to keep our customers safe."
And as for the whole "they will just ban the entire account and console" idea? The risk of getting caught rarely dissuades many people from breaking rules, in fact for most hackers this risk is THE biggest thrill of doing what they are doing. Also if you do a bit of research you will find that there are quite a few unban hacks already out there, so even getting caught isn't as much of a risk as the industry would like consumers to think it to be.
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Game is coming to PS3 from everything I've read. So why would MS help fund a game coming to the PS3? That makes zero sense.
This game is nothing but an overpriced EVE commercial. It's only being released to other demographics so they can try to lure unsuspecting fools to their dreadfully boring money pit.
You'll see once it releases, it'll be just another mediocre shooter. If it was for PC and an update for EVE, they might be able to get away with it but people are going to be judging this game by it's own merits and frankly I don't think CCP has the ability to make anything good enough to be competitive in the console market.
How can a console FPS be a "commercial" for a PC space pilot sandbox mmo ?
Wow, the ammount of people who know nothing about what they talk about here is amazing!
First off lets start with why they would choose a consolel.My thoughts are its trying to bring to worlds together ( the same way EvE and Dust 514 will be together ) ,also it hits a much larger market (i'm a PC guy all the way but lets face it every kid in the US has a xbox/ps3).Does this mean that Dust wont be a competive game of fun ?No.Take a look at GoW ,Halo,Resistance,Killzone...I could go on.But most of those game are very sucessful and even competive in MLG .
I do think that for Dust to be sucessful they will have to have more to it then a common shooter ( like a cover system ,teamplay options like ammo resupply and so on) .Also you must think about what door this could open if it is sucessful.TS3/Ventrillo could make a crossplatform service for console/PC to communicate with and it could open more doors to crossplatfrom games ( that said someone good with a mouse will KILL someone good with a controler) but I'm sure so of you get the picture.Also if CCP is in fact using the UT engine I would almost prefer it to be on consolel as that engine is the most hacked engine ever and its a bit harder to hack on console.
Will see how it pans out .But i'm sure hardcore PC gamers are not going to rush out and buy a xbox/ps3 just to play .But there's enough of a market around with them already to be very sucessful.
Sorry, but this is not a good source. First of all, many PC FPS players have gone to digital only downloads. That skews the numbers when taken from the site which you quote. Plus, you have only shown the "cross platform" and in at least two cases console to PC ports rather then PC only or PC to console games. Go look at the number of PC players that played and purchased games like Quake or Doom or any number of PC exclusive games since.
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Ok then. Enjoy your PC FPS exclusives. Since, according to you, PC still dominates the market i'm sure there are plenty of them.
When was the last time publishers/developers of a multiplatform FPS stated the PC version outsold the console versions combined? When was the last time a PC FPS sold 22+ million copies? (like Black Ops did for PS3/Xbox 360 combined)
In terms of sales, consoles crush the PC for FPS games. That's just a fact.
Counter-Strike: 4.2mil
Battlefield 1942: 4.03mil
Doom 3: 3.5mil
Duke Nukem 3D: 3.5mil
Battlefield 2: 2.09mil
S.T.A.L.K.E.R: 2mil
I don't see much crushing here.
(DISCLAIMER: Numbers taken from random google searches may not be entirely accurate)
Dude, these are all titles from 7-8 years ago. STALKER being the only exception. Things have changed alot since then.
Adding up those numbers you get around 24 million from seven PC games over the course of like 15 years. Call of Duty Black Ops for consoles sold 22+ million alone in under one year.
It's a total stomping. Thanks for reinforcing my point though.
It is a fact and unfortunate proof that CCP cares more about raking in the money than the current customer base they have to thank for their ability to even make Dust 514. I am not againsts a company wanting to make a profit. I just think that is what is pissing off the majority of PC gamers. The fact that CCP took the money we gave them and used it to develop a product they could lock us out of. And no, everyone does not own an Xbox or PS3 these days. I don't like consoles. Will never own one. I 'would' have owned Dust.
First, my name is not "Dude". Second, you seem to think that just because a few years have passed that PC players have gone away. That simply is not the case. PC gamers are just as "loyal" as are newbie console owners....in fact maybe more so. While console owners are like the dog from UP....can only play a game for a short time before be distracted to a new one....PC gamers are loyal to the games they like and play. In fact, of those you listed above, most are still poplular among PC owners/players. PC owners go to great lengths to make sure that they can still play games that are "old" in your eyes because they love playing them and are loyal to them.
Here is another "fact" you can go look up if you dare, there are more PC's in the world then there are of all the consoles combined.
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Lets avoid baiting one another guys. Thanks!
What compony set's out to NOT make as much as they can?
Guys ,just face it console games hit a much wider market then PC does.Its more user friendly and a 3 out of 4 homes have one.
Fact is shooter games have not done so well recently with PC and thats why everyone trys to make MMO's for PC.Also whoever made the comment about numbers not being right on with digi download is true but I REALLY dont think they would sell 14 mil digi copys.
Anyways PC IMO is better but you got to look at it for a business stand point and not just what YOU want.If CCP can make a ton of cash of this then that give them more cash to develope there next MMO.
First, i don't care. Second, PC players didn't go away, but the console players came in.
Loyal to the fact that, some of them don't even want to pay for their games, piracy is the biggest on PC, it sucks but it just is.
And yea, of course there are more PC the all consoles combine, if you include all those netbooks, PC for business, universities, laptops, desktops, I wouldn't even be amazed if there are 10-50x more PC than all consoles combined, since a lot of people own multiples PC as well. But my question to you is, how many of them are actually used to play games, which is the topic here, not the whole PC vs console wars.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Exactly. And how large is the PC FPS market vs. console FPS market. Based on sales it's not even close.
CCP wants DUST 514 to have a large playerbase that interacts with EVE. The console FPS market is clearly the way to go. Picking the PC market because the FPS genre started on PC's or because of nostalgia seems like a silly business decision.
On top of that PC gamers obviously can't play both DUST 514 and EVE simultaneously and would cannabilize the EVE population.
OMG someone smart!!! WTG man.