I haven't bought an MMO, since WAR laid a big fat goose egg. I played DDO for about 4-6 months. Besides that I haven't played any other MMO. Just keeping an eye out for any new ones that might bring back the depth that EQ and DAoC had.
I cannot speak for others, but I have spoken with my wallet. No MMO gets my money.
Some people may not be quite as disatisfied or disillusioned as I am. Maybe they still think that today's MMO publishers won't lie to them. Then when they discover the truth, they bitch.
Currently I play chess and an occasional RPG. And I visit these forums once in a while to see if there is anything interesting. Honestly I'm not sure why I do that - I guess I'm a bit of a dreamer.
These are games no? Created to entertain right? If the genre of mmorpg makes you unhappy then why do you stick around? From what I've seen people dislike the way the genre has evolved ( or de-evolved) over the years yet continuously torture themselves by trying new games that all share the same core mechanics that they dislike. So I ask why bother? Why are you here? Why not just play something else or switch hobbies?
By sticking around in a genre we love and showing a distaste for the way things have been going lately we hope to be heard and for things to change. People like Anet and such seem to be hearing us...
So as to why bother, well because even if you seem to find no value in the opinion of others... the companies designing the games seem to .
These are games no? Created to entertain right? If the genre of mmorpg makes you unhappy then why do you stick around? From what I've seen people dislike the way the genre has evolved ( or de-evolved) over the years yet continuously torture themselves by trying new games that all share the same core mechanics that they dislike. So I ask why bother? Why are you here? Why not just play something else or switch hobbies?
I'm waiting on that one game that's either going to bring me back to the goodl ol' days or pull me into the new generation of MMO's.
I like the classic games of platform, puzzle, strategy, beat'em up, mario kart etc etc... Good examples of these remain good imo eg Pac-man so cute, clever and devilish always.
Some games add the RPG to the game eg Zelda, Mass Effect and these stories are brilliant but ultimately end.
This is where an MMO steps in (or should do) where you have a story that is huge and lasts much longer partly because you share it with other ppl and create your own instances of stories within stories ad lib. Unfortunately MMOs atm play in a very constricted way. Exploring a huge map that has "stuff" all over the place can't hide the emptiness of it. Some MMOs have flashes of freedom at some times of their atmosphere or tight gameplay controls... Ryzom, Scenario battles in WAR.
Where Minecraft steals the thunder from MMOs is that every second feels like you are or can react to something or some decision is to be made eg chisel that block right in front of you in this huge free world. Taking that blocky graphics and say imagining it in another more appealing form eg the beginning of Avatar when Jake Sulley washes up out of the river and immediately sets about preparing to survive... I'd imagine an MMO world to be like that with your avatar thrown into that intensity or danger of another world straight away and actually where what you do has some meaning or other. Funny how that's what Minecraft does by creating a shelter for the dangerous night ahead?
So there's hope that MMOs will rediscover this and until they do I am not paying a cent and have not for a while now. GW2 although lacking that freedom (it seems) at least looks like a good crack at a story to me with some potentially very polished pvp that could have the "devilishness" of the some of the classic game mentioned above.
These are games no? Created to entertain right? If the genre of mmorpg makes you unhappy then why do you stick around? From what I've seen people dislike the way the genre has evolved ( or de-evolved) over the years yet continuously torture themselves by trying new games that all share the same core mechanics that they dislike. So I ask why bother? Why are you here? Why not just play something else or switch hobbies?
They don't have to share the same core mechanics. Not all MMOs have to be "We will hold your hand while you follow this loose yet predestined path, so you can make it to the max level and grind more!" There can be something done. The only MMO I play right now is I mess around on EVE every now and then, it's one of the few good MMOs, just not entirely what I'm looking for.
So I wouldn't consider that "Sticking around", although I do keep track of what is going on, and give a suggestion or two as to what probably needs to happen. Alot of people that complain aren't even sure what they want. Alot of the changes that need to be done will actually anger the majority, but in the end they will find that harsh changes will lead to great things.
However, some people do complain just to hear themselves complain, they will never be satisfied, ever.
as of right now, im not playing any mmorpgs, but im always looking up for new mmos to try out. i have been playing few different mmos and i had lot of fun in the most of them until i got bored or unsatisfied how things went. but it was adventure ... even though the mmo's lifespan for me wasnt that long i personally dont think it as a big failure.
why do i stay, huh ? even though mmos dont always turn out to be something that i will give my next 6 years of my life to it, it was still nice to play and it entertained me. i feel sad about alot of mmos who had potential but it turned out to be just a game for a half a year or year max. still doesnt make it a bad game if i had good times ... i think game that drives you to play that long or maybe even come back again and again is amazing. im sure there isnt that many games you wanted to install back in your system. (i cant count that many)
i maybe have different definitions to mmos ... for me its more about the journey to the end than about the end itself.
When you are unhappy with something, do you just throw up your hands in the air and quit? IF SO....I suggest that you NEVER, and I do mean NEVER....get married.
Fact of the matter is, that no matter WHAT you're discussing in life (including games), you are going to find yourself, at some point, unhappy or disappointed with it. Does that mean that it is now a useless piece of trash that should be immediately kicked to the curb? No. That's just a very fatalistic view of games and life in general.
Just like people....games change. They grow and evolve and draw new people to the communities. Sometimes that's "bad", sometimes it's "good." But they are living and breathing things (not in a physiological way like living beings, but because they are "inhabited" by beings).
MMORPGs by their very nature.....change. And myself.....I intend to be around for the changes. Change is exciting, and SOMETIMES.....it's even GOOD.
NOTE:
By the way......GAMING is my hobby. Not just MMORPGs, but games in general. I play a LOT of games....all different genres. It's kind of like.....say you have a passion for stamp collecting and it's been a few years since you obtained a REALLY COOL RARE stamp. But you know they're out there. You don't give up your hobby. You keep looking and anticipating. Well....I have a passion for GAMES.
Reading the thread title immediately made me think of my experiences with WoW.
I've player WoW for over four years, and thinking back on it I can honestly say most of it was out of either
Boredom
A vendetta to actually level cap a bloody toon
Boredom
The lack of any other games to play, in other words, I was a spoiled MMO gamer after WoW (at least, that's what I thought at the time. Now I'm enlightened to WoW and it's wretched ways)
and Boredom
So in essence, I really didn't *WANT* to play WoW, I was just "forced" into playing it, in a sense, due to a culmination of various things going on in my life.
Because it's fun to talk shit about MMORPGs? Actually, I should just remove the question mark, thats a statement. It is fun to talk shit about MMORPGs.
To be a little a little less cynical, the genre has potential, it just isn't there yet. The last few years of failed WoW clones might be enough to steer the genre in another direction. You think Blizzard is dumb enough to try to clone WoW with their next release? I highly doubt it.
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I haven't bought an MMO, since WAR laid a big fat goose egg. I played DDO for about 4-6 months. Besides that I haven't played any other MMO. Just keeping an eye out for any new ones that might bring back the depth that EQ and DAoC had.
I cannot speak for others, but I have spoken with my wallet. No MMO gets my money.
Some people may not be quite as disatisfied or disillusioned as I am. Maybe they still think that today's MMO publishers won't lie to them. Then when they discover the truth, they bitch.
Currently I play chess and an occasional RPG. And I visit these forums once in a while to see if there is anything interesting. Honestly I'm not sure why I do that - I guess I'm a bit of a dreamer.
How else are we supposed to meet and interact with people? Are you suggesting we leave our computers for real world interaction? Preposterous.
Well.... simply put ... this is why...
Guild Wars 2
By sticking around in a genre we love and showing a distaste for the way things have been going lately we hope to be heard and for things to change. People like Anet and such seem to be hearing us...
So as to why bother, well because even if you seem to find no value in the opinion of others... the companies designing the games seem to
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I like the classic games of platform, puzzle, strategy, beat'em up, mario kart etc etc... Good examples of these remain good imo eg Pac-man so cute, clever and devilish always.
Some games add the RPG to the game eg Zelda, Mass Effect and these stories are brilliant but ultimately end.
This is where an MMO steps in (or should do) where you have a story that is huge and lasts much longer partly because you share it with other ppl and create your own instances of stories within stories ad lib. Unfortunately MMOs atm play in a very constricted way. Exploring a huge map that has "stuff" all over the place can't hide the emptiness of it. Some MMOs have flashes of freedom at some times of their atmosphere or tight gameplay controls... Ryzom, Scenario battles in WAR.
Where Minecraft steals the thunder from MMOs is that every second feels like you are or can react to something or some decision is to be made eg chisel that block right in front of you in this huge free world. Taking that blocky graphics and say imagining it in another more appealing form eg the beginning of Avatar when Jake Sulley washes up out of the river and immediately sets about preparing to survive... I'd imagine an MMO world to be like that with your avatar thrown into that intensity or danger of another world straight away and actually where what you do has some meaning or other. Funny how that's what Minecraft does by creating a shelter for the dangerous night ahead?
So there's hope that MMOs will rediscover this and until they do I am not paying a cent and have not for a while now. GW2 although lacking that freedom (it seems) at least looks like a good crack at a story to me with some potentially very polished pvp that could have the "devilishness" of the some of the classic game mentioned above.
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
They don't have to share the same core mechanics. Not all MMOs have to be "We will hold your hand while you follow this loose yet predestined path, so you can make it to the max level and grind more!" There can be something done. The only MMO I play right now is I mess around on EVE every now and then, it's one of the few good MMOs, just not entirely what I'm looking for.
So I wouldn't consider that "Sticking around", although I do keep track of what is going on, and give a suggestion or two as to what probably needs to happen. Alot of people that complain aren't even sure what they want. Alot of the changes that need to be done will actually anger the majority, but in the end they will find that harsh changes will lead to great things.
However, some people do complain just to hear themselves complain, they will never be satisfied, ever.
as of right now, im not playing any mmorpgs, but im always looking up for new mmos to try out. i have been playing few different mmos and i had lot of fun in the most of them until i got bored or unsatisfied how things went. but it was adventure ... even though the mmo's lifespan for me wasnt that long i personally dont think it as a big failure.
why do i stay, huh ? even though mmos dont always turn out to be something that i will give my next 6 years of my life to it, it was still nice to play and it entertained me. i feel sad about alot of mmos who had potential but it turned out to be just a game for a half a year or year max. still doesnt make it a bad game if i had good times ... i think game that drives you to play that long or maybe even come back again and again is amazing. im sure there isnt that many games you wanted to install back in your system. (i cant count that many)
i maybe have different definitions to mmos ... for me its more about the journey to the end than about the end itself.
OP......
When you are unhappy with something, do you just throw up your hands in the air and quit? IF SO....I suggest that you NEVER, and I do mean NEVER....get married.
Fact of the matter is, that no matter WHAT you're discussing in life (including games), you are going to find yourself, at some point, unhappy or disappointed with it. Does that mean that it is now a useless piece of trash that should be immediately kicked to the curb? No. That's just a very fatalistic view of games and life in general.
Just like people....games change. They grow and evolve and draw new people to the communities. Sometimes that's "bad", sometimes it's "good." But they are living and breathing things (not in a physiological way like living beings, but because they are "inhabited" by beings).
MMORPGs by their very nature.....change. And myself.....I intend to be around for the changes. Change is exciting, and SOMETIMES.....it's even GOOD.
NOTE:
By the way......GAMING is my hobby. Not just MMORPGs, but games in general. I play a LOT of games....all different genres. It's kind of like.....say you have a passion for stamp collecting and it's been a few years since you obtained a REALLY COOL RARE stamp. But you know they're out there. You don't give up your hobby. You keep looking and anticipating. Well....I have a passion for GAMES.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Reading the thread title immediately made me think of my experiences with WoW.
I've player WoW for over four years, and thinking back on it I can honestly say most of it was out of either
Boredom
A vendetta to actually level cap a bloody toon
Boredom
The lack of any other games to play, in other words, I was a spoiled MMO gamer after WoW (at least, that's what I thought at the time. Now I'm enlightened to WoW and it's wretched ways)
and Boredom
So in essence, I really didn't *WANT* to play WoW, I was just "forced" into playing it, in a sense, due to a culmination of various things going on in my life.
Felt bad, man.
Because it's fun to talk shit about MMORPGs? Actually, I should just remove the question mark, thats a statement. It is fun to talk shit about MMORPGs.
To be a little a little less cynical, the genre has potential, it just isn't there yet. The last few years of failed WoW clones might be enough to steer the genre in another direction. You think Blizzard is dumb enough to try to clone WoW with their next release? I highly doubt it.