I want survival!

seigard

Hey folks!! I am freaken tired of grinding things like flying red eyeball monsters , i want something realistic .I want to feel the ''survival''. With that i mean not feeling like the way you do in wow, ''I am overpowered i can hit 99999 damage'' I want to feel like i dont have much to eat nor drink and One of my leg is crippled looking for a new place to sleep in the wasteland.My bullets are limited and it is hard to find some ,exactly like the way you feel in fallout .

Doesnt matter if f2p or p2p bt i assume they cannot make a f2p game like this

I tried fallen earth at tis beta though dunno...

Thanks in advance^^

rik666

you wont find a mmo like that.

u better can think of buying a game in stores.

EricDanie

Nothing like that AFAIK. Closest things I think there would be to a survival would be Darkfall and Fallen Earth, but even then they should be nowhere close to that feeling (Darkfall because it isn't a loot pinata and the FFA PvP and full loot makes things extremely dangerous).

http://undeadlabs.com/ these folks (many coming from ArenaNet) are promising a zombie survival MMO but that's gonna be for consoles only and it shouldn't be released for the next 5-10 years as they basically just formed the studio recently...

neonwire

You wont get that feeling from Fallen Earth as its the same as all the rest. Unfortunately I doubt you will get that feeling in any mmo really. Get ready for the recommendations to play EvE, Darkfall and Mortal Online though because they WILL be following shortly

As a side note I recently started watching the new tv series The Walking Dead which is astonishingly good and very involving. That will give you the survival feeling for a number of hours at least. Unfortunately it might make you dislike mmos more due to their inability to convey anything close to that feeling.

You could try the new Fallout game perhaps? I hear thats quite good. I expect there are other good single player games around too that convey the survival feeling too. I played Amnesia: The Dark Descent recently. Now that game scared the crap out of me and gave me a very immersive experience. It's short lived though but still well worth a go.

WW4BW

I remember a game for Amiga called: Robinsons Requiem.

You had to find food and water and fight off tigers and stuff, and the fruits could make you ill and you had to play with half a screen cause the tiger took out your left eye :P

lot of first aid and stuff in it.. and Ive often wished for a similar game done in a more modern way. And it could be interesting if some of the elements were added to an MMO.

*Edit*

How cool would it be if there was a mix of Fallout and Robinsons. And if it was an mmo it would even be acceptable that a fractured leg didnt heal in 5 minutes. It probably wouldnt be a game for the masses. But I liked the idea of Robinsons Requiem teaching actual survival skills.. Not that most gamers would ever need to know even 1% of it. but perhaps they would learn something about nutrition and why they feel too sick to do anything besides gaming :P

I tried Americas Army, or whatever it was called, cause I heard that you had to take a medic class to get through the tutorial.. I was kinda disappointed when the game later turned out to be a FPS (with or without medkits or medics.. cant really remember).

Solestran

Here's a hint, play just about any MMO out there and hunt stuff above your level, without a group and without two boxing or a heal bot. You could even under gear yourself to increase your sense of weakness.  Then you'll get that feeling for which you have been searching.  Most people are too damn lazy to create their own challenge in a game and instead of bitching about games that don't force everyone to play your way, you should get off your lazy ass and create your own desperate situations.  Hell, one of the best ways to create extra challenge at the end game or even in group content is to under populate your group or raid size by half.  Do instances with 3 people when it's meant for 6. Do raids with two groups instead of four.  The developers have given us the tools to create our own challenge without shoving it down every player's throat by forcing it on them.

 

Edit:  In regards to the starvation thing, EverQuest gives you a penalty if you run out of food and drink.  The longer you go without it, the greater the penalty that is applied to your personal stats and combat stats.  As a matter of fact, if you play it without twinking and without a mercenary, the basic game itself is very, very challenging.  If you play without using the auction house, but using only the loot that drops for you, then you'll find battles against even "conned" opponent will be challenging and those that are two to three levels above you to be very, very hard.

Miles-Prower

The thing about MMORPGs is that you have to "Improvise" (I.E "Roleplay") If you want to challenge yourself in any way. There are lots of creative ways to make the game challenging by doing this. For instance, in WoW there was a well known player who made it to level 70 using no armor or weapons.

Just because the options are there, doesn't mean they are necessary.

Every try a "Melee" Hunter? Or what about a spell-power stacking Rogue back in the day when Weapon procs benefited from spell power?

Just some examples.

 

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

neonwire

Originally posted by Solestran

Here's a hint, play just about any MMO out there and hunt stuff above your level, without a group and without two boxing or a heal bot. You could even under gear yourself to increase your sense of weakness.  Then you'll get that feeling for which you have been searching.  Most people are too damn lazy to create their own challenge in a game and instead of bitching about games that don't force everyone to play your way, you should get off your lazy ass and create your own desperate situations.  Hell, one of the best ways to create extra challenge at the end game or even in group content is to under populate your group or raid size by half.  Do instances with 3 people when it's meant for 6. Do raids with two groups instead of four.  The developers have given us the tools to create our own challenge without shoving it down every player's throat by forcing it on them.

Hmm those suggestions sit along side playing with your eyes closed and using your nose to press keys instead of your fingers. Those methods of playing would make any game more challenging too

driver4hire

Reminds me of the time I made a Melee mage in WoW back in the day just to try it....  Had him in all strength and AP gear that I could find on cloth just to make him hit hard with a crappy one hander.  That and a mixture of just intant spells made it a pretty intense experiance up to about level 50 where it literally got too hard because I couldn't find gear anywhere.

WW4BW

Originally posted by Solestran

Here's a hint, play just about any MMO out there and hunt stuff above your level, without a group and without two boxing or a heal bot. You could even under gear yourself to increase your sense of weakness.  Then you'll get that feeling for which you have been searching.  Most people are too damn lazy to create their own challenge in a game and instead of bitching about games that don't force everyone to play your way, you should get off your lazy ass and create your own desperate situations.  Hell, one of the best ways to create extra challenge at the end game or even in group content is to under populate your group or raid size by half.  Do instances with 3 people when it's meant for 6. Do raids with two groups instead of four.  The developers have given us the tools to create our own challenge without shoving it down every player's throat by forcing it on them.

 yeah this argument always pops up.. want a challenge.. turn off the screen. or poke yourself in the eye.

I often soloed stuff that was probably intended for groups or atleast 2 or 3 people. And farmed bosses with 2 or 3 people that should have taken a group. But it stops being a challenge after the first time. I might set goals like do it faster or do it without using cooldowns or potions. And while I do enjoy it a bit, its not the same rules the others play by. Its like playing Monopoly and saying you cant move unless you hit doubles, or wont build on your own property.

neonwire

Besides I dont think the OP was referring to the "challenge" of games alone. I think he is looking more towards a "realistic and immersive" experience. I suppose he could strip off naked and try and fight a dragon with his penis (in which case Mortal Online is where its at) but I dont think thats what he is after

seigard

Originally posted by neonwire

As a side note I recently started watching the new tv series The Walking Dead which is astonishingly good and very involving. That will give you the survival feeling for a number of hours at least. Unfortunately it might make you dislike mmos more due to their inability to convey anything close to that feeling.

You could try the new Fallout game perhaps? I hear thats quite good. I expect there are other good single player games around too that convey the survival feeling too. I played Amnesia: The Dark Descent recently. Now that game scared the crap out of me and gave me a very immersive experience. It's short lived though but still well worth a go.

Lol I really started to dislike other mmos after tasting fallout and seeing all those zombie survival things. Also i played new vegas and i think it is really good. Playing it made me feel like this though .

WW4BW

Originally posted by driver4hire

Reminds me of the time I made a Melee mage in WoW back in the day just to try it....  Had him in all strength and AP gear that I could find on cloth just to make him hit hard with a crappy one hander.  That and a mixture of just intant spells made it a pretty intense experiance up to about level 50 where it literally got too hard because I couldn't find gear anywhere.

 Aah yeah I love doing stuff like that sometimes. Or dressing a tank in a robe to draw the assasins in :P

Its a bit easier in games where there are fewer limits on what characters can wear and where you can craft gear the way you want it or you can find gear with randomly generated stats.

seigard

Originally posted by Miles-Prower

The thing about MMORPGs is that you have to "Improvise" (I.E "Roleplay") If you want to challenge yourself in any way. There are lots of creative ways to make the game challenging by doing this. For instance, in WoW there was a well known player who made it to level 70 using no armor or weapons.

Just because the options are there, doesn't mean they are necessary.

Every try a "Melee" Hunter? Or what about a spell-power stacking Rogue back in the day when Weapon procs benefited from spell power?

Just some examples.

 

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

Well i think you cannot do the thing i want in a game that is not created for survival or sandbox mode because environment and community will be forcing you to play the way it is meant to. Thanks for your comment ^^

Miles-Prower

Originally posted by seigard

Originally posted by Miles-Prower

The thing about MMORPGs is that you have to "Improvise" (I.E "Roleplay") If you want to challenge yourself in any way. There are lots of creative ways to make the game challenging by doing this. For instance, in WoW there was a well known player who made it to level 70 using no armor or weapons.

Just because the options are there, doesn't mean they are necessary.

Every try a "Melee" Hunter? Or what about a spell-power stacking Rogue back in the day when Weapon procs benefited from spell power?

Just some examples.

 

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

Well i think you cannot do the thing i want in a game that is not created for survival or sandbox mode because environment and community will be forcing you to play the way it is meant to. Thanks for your comment ^^

Which MMORPG are you playing? Requiem: Bloodymare?

 

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

seigard

Originally posted by neonwire

Besides I dont think the OP was referring to the "challenge" of games alone. I think he is looking more towards a "realistic and immersive" experience. I suppose he could strip off naked and try and fight a dragon with his penis (in which case Mortal Online is where its at) but I dont think thats what he is after

Lol yeah mortal online is far away from being survival , it may feel like it when you are alone in the forest but it is not like it when ppl try to push you to call the guardian lol

seigard

Originally posted by Miles-Prower

Originally posted by seigard

Originally posted by Miles-Prower

The thing about MMORPGs is that you have to "Improvise" (I.E "Roleplay") If you want to challenge yourself in any way. There are lots of creative ways to make the game challenging by doing this. For instance, in WoW there was a well known player who made it to level 70 using no armor or weapons.

Just because the options are there, doesn't mean they are necessary.

Every try a "Melee" Hunter? Or what about a spell-power stacking Rogue back in the day when Weapon procs benefited from spell power?

Just some examples.

 

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

Well i think you cannot do the thing i want in a game that is not created for survival or sandbox mode because environment and community will be forcing you to play the way it is meant to. Thanks for your comment ^^

Which MMORPG are you playing? Requiem: Bloodymare?

 

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

I'm not playing anything atm

seigard

Originally posted by Solestran

Here's a hint, play just about any MMO out there and hunt stuff above your level, without a group and without two boxing or a heal bot. You could even under gear yourself to increase your sense of weakness.  Then you'll get that feeling for which you have been searching.  Most people are too damn lazy to create their own challenge in a game and instead of bitching about games that don't force everyone to play your way, you should get off your lazy ass and create your own desperate situations.  Hell, one of the best ways to create extra challenge at the end game or even in group content is to under populate your group or raid size by half.  Do instances with 3 people when it's meant for 6. Do raids with two groups instead of four.  The developers have given us the tools to create our own challenge without shoving it down every player's throat by forcing it on them.

 

Edit:  In regards to the starvation thing, EverQuest gives you a penalty if you run out of food and drink.  The longer you go without it, the greater the penalty that is applied to your personal stats and combat stats.  As a matter of fact, if you play it without twinking and without a mercenary, the basic game itself is very, very challenging.  If you play without using the auction house, but using only the loot that drops for you, then you'll find battles against even "conned" opponent will be challenging and those that are two to three levels above you to be very, very hard.

Well thx for your comment though i rather play a game which is meant to be survival because everything in that game will be pushing me to play the way it is meant to be i mean having all of th eplayers playing the survival and having all the players except you playing normally is different if you got what i mean.

Paradoxy

OP what you are looking for is this. But its far from finished and the only downside is that its going to be console based MMO.

http://undeadlabs.com/

Some more idea on 'survival' felling in this MMO.

http://undeadlabs.com/2010/11/zombies/the-way-you-make-me-feel/

seigard

Originally posted by Paradoxy

OP what you are looking for is this. But its far from finished and the only downside is that its going to be console based MMO.

http://undeadlabs.com/

Some more idea on 'survival' felling in this MMO.

http://undeadlabs.com/2010/11/zombies/the-way-you-make-me-feel/

I guess someone mentioned it too, yeah it is exaclty the way i feel but it really doesnt look promising but well i got nothing to do but hoping

TomTrixx

http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/

It's an MMO, survival is the game, it has PvP, and trying to survive is hard.

neonwire

Originally posted by seigard

Originally posted by Paradoxy

OP what you are looking for is this. But its far from finished and the only downside is that its going to be console based MMO.

http://undeadlabs.com/

Some more idea on 'survival' felling in this MMO.

http://undeadlabs.com/2010/11/zombies/the-way-you-make-me-feel/

I guess someone mentioned it too, yeah it is exaclty the way i feel but it really doesnt look promising but well i got nothing to do but hoping

Ahh yes the "nothing to do but hope" club. I think that club has a lot of members. I joined it ages ago and it's been packed for years. Dont let too many people know that you're a member though, because many non-members will tell you that "this genre just isnt for you".......which actually isnt true

seigard

Originally posted by tomaswilen

http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/

It's an MMO, survival is the game, it has PvP, and trying to survive is hard.

Well i will try not to judge it with its graphics and give it a try , thanks!

WW4BW

Originally posted by tomaswilen

http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/

It's an MMO, survival is the game, it has PvP, and trying to survive is hard.

 lol I was hopeful.

But sadly I no longer have the imagination to support that sort that sort of graphics..

I simply cannot bring my eyes to look at it for more than 2 seconds. Let me know if they upgrade the graphics to glorious 3D :P

*edit"

Decided to atleast see the video through. And it actually looks like there are a lot of things to do in there. Doubt I will ever be able to stand looking at it for long but it seems like the concept is sound.

*double edit*

the more I read about it, the more I think it might become my new guilty little pleasure.

redcap036

Ok this ones not an mmo, but it will keep you busy and very entertained till you find something better, heres a link to a thread i did a few weeks ago with links and info, hope this helps.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3909434#3909434

edit; Sorry forgot to mention the name of the game it's Minecraft!

Mr_Wolfx

Definetly give Haven and Hearth a try, but an even better survival game is Unreal Worlds. Its not online but its by far the funnest survival game around. The graphics arent great but it more then makes up for it in gameplay. The only thing that sucks about that game is the winter, you really gotta stock up on food and just hibernate in whatever shelter you can find.