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WTF@FF XIV
tbch2325
Member Posts: 4
Hi guys,
Can someone please explain wtf is going on with this game? I played FF11 for 3 solid years and no other mmo has ever come close (for me anyway). Ive been reading the reviews and from what i understand is that SE are making you pay for essentially what is a beta game but they are marketting it as the finished product? Im really hoping that this isnt the finished product as by what the people are saying on this forums and other review sites, this game is pretty awful.
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Hi guy
Where have you seen them market the game?
You created an account to post a question than you answer in your post?
Its not finished...no mmo ever is
Check back year from now and if its still alive it might compare to FFXI of today as a product
What im trying to get as is that is it in BETA stages (that there making you payt for :S) or is this a game that SE have said right this is FFXIV now were going to release patch updates every month (like every other MMO). It seems like from what i have been reading that it is still a beta game that SE are making you pay for or have i completely lost the plot?
Cheers,
We had our monthly update a few days ago. Next one is in December and i just posted some info about NMs. NO, IT's NOT A BETA!
I still have not payed anything except the Box price.
The game is treated the same way FFXI was, reviewers are just copying each other and catering to the masses.
I remember vividly how reviewers called FFXI boring, too hard, grindfest, no solo play, no real PvP and overall a japanese game that does not appeal to the US audience. (Oh crap forgot the famous, "It's made for console so it must suck on PC" argument).
Guess they learned nothing and half of them are want to be Journalists anyways, desperately promoting their blogs and websites.
Try it for yourself and make up your own mind.
So it's a conspiracy huh? All game sites, magazines, blogs and masses of regular gamers got together to lie and say that the game is bad to....uh.."cater to the masses"? Fox News is fair and balanced too.
At least your last sentence makes sense.
What utter fiction!
Gamespot FF XI review: -
http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/finalfantasy11/review.html
Gamespot FF XIV review: -
http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/finalfantasy14/index.html?tag=result%3Btitle%3B0
FF XI was in fact well received, it was however a different level of expectation given the maturity of the MMO industry.
FF XIV reviews were not simply following in each other footsteps, because it was the cool thing to do. It got bad reviews, purely and simply because it is a bad game.
Now we all understand you are on some sort of campaign to "glam up" FF XIV, but please at least be honest and accurate. All I keep seeing is complete fabrications and in some case just plain outright lies. The so called November update did little for the game. All it did was speed up the UI and remove some menu navigation tedium. Beneath that its seen little change since closed beta.
Not trying to counter your argument as a whole but this is FFXI review a year and a half after it's real release.
FF XI wasn't released to the West until after 1.5 years following its Asian release. Hence the date. Its their review of the Western version.
So... what you're saying is that it's best and most fair to compare the reviews of the game when the PS3 version is released, or even a year after that when the game has been out 1.5 years after initial launch?
(yeah, I'm kidding around, I know. Still... the point stands)
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
We have the western version of FF XIV now. If they wanted FF XIV to live up to the FF XI equivalent launch, just maybe they should have been more professional in their development and QA for a launch quality product.
The comment made was that FF XI received equally bad reviews as FF XIV, for its Western launch. It simply didn't. It was also well received at its Asian launch, again unlike FF XIV.
The point is that FF14 will get similar good reviews once the game is released on PS3 first quarter or mid 2011. That's when it is finished.
FFXI got extremely bad reviews at the japan launch, it was buggy and almost no content. Players raged as much as they do here now. No difference.
It sucks that SE released it this early but to be fair, it is playable and people do enjoy it.
It's far from perfect and SE needs to get it's act together but i have seen how they did it with FFXI and it's no difference here.
Not really.
There is zero evidence of that. That is just you hoping. As stated, it (FF XI) was well received in Japan and the rest of Asia. There is a huge difference between the FF XI and FF XIV launch.
The growth of FF XI is shown here: -
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
You can see the continued increase in subscriptions during its Asian (only) period, and the surge added upon Western release. On all accounts FF XIV's been heading the other way (globally), since launch. On one hand you had a game growing in success (i.e. FF XI), on the other you have one tanking fast (i.e. FF XIV).
Do you really honestly believe that all the reviews are so similar is because they are trying to cater to the masses?
Did it ever cross your mind that in actuality any reviewer worth anything can spot how flawed this game is and despite being produced by the famous Square, to maintain any shred of credability as a reviewer, it's your job to let people know the truth about how obviously screwed up this title is.
I loved FFXI, and FFXI this game is not.
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Well it sounds like that 14 is no 11, which is a massive shame. I think ill hold off until the PS3 launch, thanks guys.
I wouldnt compare it to a beta game. With a beta game I would expect tons of bugs and random crashes, that is not the case with FFXIV. Most of the FFXIV complaints are about design decisions that people dont like. I enjoy the game, sure it could use some tweaks, but what game couldnt? FFXIV is also doing more to correct their issues than any game that I have played. They have already upped the free play time with the box purchase to 3 months, have done a lot with game updates, and have been very open with the public about what they are working on for future updates.
Sorry, mate, but here you're just ignoring MMO history and trends. Look at the launches and sub numbers of MMORPG's released in 2004 and before, and you'll notice a gradual increase over an extensive period of time. Now consider the MMORPG's released post 2005, and you'll notice the same trend for the majority of them: a peak in subs at their launch, with a quick drop off in the first months after that.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
No one knows what the reviews will be like so it is all wishful thinking on your part. You also moved the goal posts. Originally you didn't specify the JP launch but when people pointed out reviews were decent on the Western launch, you then changed it to the JP launch.
You are also revising history. The respected JP gaming mag Famitsu gave FF11 a 38 out of 40 which is a great score. But you are claiming that FF11 got "extremely bad reviews". A 38/40 in the most well known JP gaming mag is extremely bad? FF11 was even given the grand prize from Japan's Consumer Entertainment Software Association for 2002–2003. Why would they give a respected Japanese award to a horribad game?
When people imply that only when the PS3 version gets released will the gaming critics finally realize the greatness of FF14 seems to back up the claim that the PC version is the beta for the real game aka the PS3 version.
Meh. Saying that FFXIV's PC launch is the beta for the PS3 launch is the same as saying that the FFXI JP launch was the beta for the western PC launch of FFXI, or that the Korean Aion launch was the beta for the western Aion launch.
Talking about betas, I'd consider AoC a real 'beta' launch, and that was with a lot of bugs and crashing in the launch months, typical of a beta or unfinished game. Is there a lot of complaints about bugs and crashes and such for FFXIV? No, so it isn't a 'beta' launch. The major complaints are about design decisions and ingame features that a lot of MMO gamers didn't agree with. That doesn't make an MMORPG a beta, just look at the launches of AoC and Mortal Online and then you'll see what a so called 'beta' launch entails.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You are missing the point. It is not about subscription levels, per say. The counter information is simply to prove that FF XI did not encounter the same poor reviews as FF XIV, along with its declining population. FF XI was a success from launch (i.e. it received high review scores, with an increasing population). With FF XIV SE have "dropped the ball", and not only that, but they lost it as well. Their launches are at completely different ends of a success spectrum. Trying to use FF XI as an example as to the possibility of FF XIV improving into a worthy MMO, is simply unfounded.
to all non-believers: yes FFXI got a absolute bad bad recognition back then proof:
http://zeusls.llima.net/download/ffxiupdatehistory.html
translated from japanese onto english. have fun readin it!
japanese players actually hated the game a lot. they only came to love it when it was nearly done for the western market.
there you got your proof.
Going to correct you here. The reviewer hated FF XI, the Japanese players didn't. Although to be honest I don't see where he gives any ratings, or where he declares he hates it. Its more of a diary of experiences, from closed beta through to release.
Irrespective FF XI received many good reviews and awards, following both launches. Like Smut pointed out Famitsu gave FF XI a 38 out of 40, and I linked Gamespots' review following the Western launch.
Final Fantasy XI was awarded the grand prize from the Japan's Consumer Entertainment Software Association (CESA) for 2002–2003.
Following the Western launch along with the good reviews it received GameSpy's 2003 PC MMORPG Game of the Year Award, and IGN's Game of the Month for March 2004.
FF XIV however is being universally panned, bar the odd exception from low key reviewers.