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F2P The fall of good MMO's
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That's not the part you should be concerned about, it's when these items get better than what's available through normal play you should complain, not just fly into a blind rage everytime you see any kind of stats being offered.
Let me remind you that you can buy stat boosts in Lotro. Yes, not items with stats but the stats themselves directly.
Not to mention instant-use no-cooldown healing pots, which you can only get on the item shop.
Now tell me that is not pay to win.
The stat boosts are relatively minor, it's the difference between having 120 strength versus 125, not all that gamebreaking if you ask me.
Just as with the healing potions, will it help keep you alive, sure, does it replace a healer, not even close.
In the end it just comes down to how gamebreaking the stuff is, and Turbine is one of the few F2P providers that does their F2P really well, besides, if you really need those healing potions you can just grind a few deeds and presto, there ya go.
And, answering the OP... well I disagree (while I am not precisely a fan of f2p games).
I, for example, don't like WoW. I played it for a while to quickly figure out it was not my cup of tea. Nothing against the game per se. I just didn't like it, that's all. Many of the latest releases failed for one simple reason: they sucked. If WoW did not exist, those games would suck anyway.
Yes, looks like most old gamers agree on most of the latest releases beeing very disappointing. But I don't think it has anything to do with the boom of f2p games. In my opinion it has to do with mmos having become so popular lately.
When we started playing our first mmos the target audience was different. Games were deep, challenging, inmersive, complex, non linear and with massive worlds. Now the target is different, so games are simple, easy and accessible, and they give you a tiny world with arrows and markers all over the map so you don't get lost.
You just need to compare the old "raid or die" WoW and the new "get an epic with your box of Cheerios" one.
So I asume you have not seen the "look, I can solo this raid boss with the new store pots" videos that leaked from the beta. Man, if an instant-use no-cooldown healing pot is not game-breaking, what do you consider game breaking? The new skill "total obliteration and genocide of Mordor"?
I really couldn't care less if a handful of people decide to spend their hard earned cash to be anti-social and solo raids, it has no bearing on my play. There's still plenty of groups out there willing to play nice with others. I've never been one to get upset that not everyone plays the same way.
Shitty games in general are ruining the genre not F2P.
That you don't care about an issue does not mean that the issue is not there.
And this is a forum for discussing opinions. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why this is a deal-breaker for them.
OP: Do you really think that the payment method makes bad games? Most P2P games have sucked plenty too the last few years.
The difference here is that many small companies tries to make under funded games and pass them off as F2P MMOs but the payment method in itself is only a problem for PvP games. On the other hand have we seen the same thing with some P2P games and some of them even added a RMT shop that sells useful stuff, like STO.
A good game can do fine with any payment method, but we players do need to stop playing any crap just because it is free.
How many years has it been since we have seen a good MMO that was worth paying a subscription for?
This a million times.
Good MMOs don't exist anymore.
Grats lore you managed to come with a list of SOME of the P2P games that didnt do well and left out ones that are worth paying for but you seemed to have left out the list of F2P games that are worth anyones money at all. Here Ill make if for you....
Not a single one.
Please use the sticky at the top of the Pub to discuss your opinion on payment models. Locked.