I think that SWTOR and Cataclysm will be commercial successes but unloved on these forums.
GW2 will should achieve moderate success both critically and commercially but I think it will have a hard time living up to the expectations that many have placed on it.
I don't know much about the rest so i'm going to say they will be failures because that seems to be the norm for MMOs not released by Blizzard!
Rift has a chance and a window at making money. The MMO hoppers will blow through Cata by mid January and begin to get bored of the gear grind by mid February. If Rift launches in the window between February and SWTOR launch with at least a couple months in between it is entirely possible they will catch the MMO hoppers in between games and the little 50 million dollar Rift will make a chunck of Cash.
That is true. Out of all the failed attempts so far, Rift has a chance of making it through.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I think that SWTOR and Cataclysm will be commercial successes but unloved on these forums.
GW2 will should achieve moderate success both critically and commercially but I think it will have a hard time living up to the expectations that many have placed on it.
I don't know much about the rest so i'm going to say they will be failures because that seems to be the norm for MMOs not released by Blizzard!
Blizzard could release a new line of Cup O' noodles in the grocery store and claim it as the best food on earth and easily convince the zombie public this is correct.
I think that SWTOR and Cataclysm will be commercial successes but unloved on these forums.
GW2 will should achieve moderate success both critically and commercially but I think it will have a hard time living up to the expectations that many have placed on it.
I don't know much about the rest so i'm going to say they will be failures because that seems to be the norm for MMOs not released by Blizzard!
Blizzard could release a new line of Cup O' noodles in the grocery store and claim it as the best food on earth and easily convince the zombie public this is correct.
And no doubt there would be a noodle website somewhere on which everyone would complain how noodles used to taste so much better or that Blizzard only took the best parts of other noodle beverages and hadn't really added anything to the snack genre!
Blizzard are very effective at marketing but I don't think their success is purely down to that. Cataclysm is bound to be a commercial success simply because WoW already has so much market share.
The point I was trynig to make about Blizzard is they would never enter the Cup O' Noodles market unless they had a clear plan for being successful at it. Yet we have seen countless developers trying to create MMOs without sufficient resources or ideas to make an impression on the genre.
How I will be rolling next year with my unbiased opinion: TERA seems amazing everything else looks sheet. GW2 has too high expectations and too early hype, Swtor and Rift look like your typical run of the mill MMOs (aka nothing special). TSW might impress if it makes 2011 but trailers did nothing to motivate me.
I think that SWTOR and Cataclysm will be commercial successes but unloved on these forums.
GW2 will should achieve moderate success both critically and commercially but I think it will have a hard time living up to the expectations that many have placed on it.
I don't know much about the rest so i'm going to say they will be failures because that seems to be the norm for MMOs not released by Blizzard!
Blizzard could release a new line of Cup O' noodles in the grocery store and claim it as the best food on earth and easily convince the zombie public this is correct.
And no doubt there would be a noodle website somewhere on which everyone would complain how noodles used to taste so much better or that Blizzard only took the best parts of other noodle beverages and hadn't really added anything to the snack genre!
Blizzard are very effective at marketing but I don't think their success is purely down to that. Cataclysm is bound to be a commercial success simply because WoW already has so much market share.
The point I was trynig to make about Blizzard is they would never enter the Cup O' Noodles market unless they had a clear plan for being successful at it. Yet we have seen countless developers trying to create MMOs without sufficient resources or ideas to make an impression on the genre.
No doubt however if any game had the blizzard tag because they have the success of top gaming company since 1996 they could release a game with 0 inovation and clearly win game of the decade or whatever. A clear example of this was the trash they called Starcraft 2, perhaps I'm biased but they haven't released a good game SINCE the original starcraft and warcraft.
The BioWare fanboys or playing-WoW-but-want-to-find-something-else-boys will probably pick up this box. Then find out it's a story driven casual game with no PvP or endgame. Let's toss it in the pile of big IP licenses so far already eh? Conan, Warhammer, Lord of the Rings and now Star Wars. Some will say BioWare can not fail. This is BioWare's first MMO, like it or not, and they have everything to prove. They are following the old '100 man studio, 5 years dev time' blueprint, and thus must fail, IMO. Compared to The Secret World, they have 3 to 5 years less pre-production, 3 years less development time, half the studio size and about the same budget. For what? An Online RPG, not an MMO. BioWare are also notoriously bad at multiplayer balance, if you've played any of their multiplayer enabled RPG's you will know it.
First off, lets try and keep this civil for as long as possible by not starting off calling people who might be interested in a game names.
The game is story driven but pvp has been shown here:
As for endgame, they have stated they would have raids a few times in almost every interview they've done
Big Ip don't mean failures. Lotro actually did really well for an MMO, certainly not a failure by any means.
I don't remember anyone saying bioware can't fail. I think i recall them saying that they have faith in BW making a good well polished game.
I agree though that BW has a lot to prove, i however think they are just as up to the challenge as any other companies.
"they are following the old 100 man stuido, 5 years dev time' blueprint, and thus must fail.
I'm sorry, this makes no sense at all. long dev times usually as per history result in rather well done games. It's short dev times that result in failing games.
Granted anything can fail, heck GW2 can fail just as easily, broken or too easy DEs, i see a lot of speculations and a few misinformation going on in your post.
We will have to see but as i stated before i think you might be being a bit harsh on the game and might be surprised with what actually comes out.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
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I think that SWTOR and Cataclysm will be commercial successes but unloved on these forums.
GW2 will should achieve moderate success both critically and commercially but I think it will have a hard time living up to the expectations that many have placed on it.
I don't know much about the rest so i'm going to say they will be failures because that seems to be the norm for MMOs not released by Blizzard!
That is true. Out of all the failed attempts so far, Rift has a chance of making it through.
Blizzard could release a new line of Cup O' noodles in the grocery store and claim it as the best food on earth and easily convince the zombie public this is correct.
And no doubt there would be a noodle website somewhere on which everyone would complain how noodles used to taste so much better or that Blizzard only took the best parts of other noodle beverages and hadn't really added anything to the snack genre!
Blizzard are very effective at marketing but I don't think their success is purely down to that. Cataclysm is bound to be a commercial success simply because WoW already has so much market share.
The point I was trynig to make about Blizzard is they would never enter the Cup O' Noodles market unless they had a clear plan for being successful at it. Yet we have seen countless developers trying to create MMOs without sufficient resources or ideas to make an impression on the genre.
How I will be rolling next year with my unbiased opinion: TERA seems amazing everything else looks sheet. GW2 has too high expectations and too early hype, Swtor and Rift look like your typical run of the mill MMOs (aka nothing special). TSW might impress if it makes 2011 but trailers did nothing to motivate me.
No doubt however if any game had the blizzard tag because they have the success of top gaming company since 1996 they could release a game with 0 inovation and clearly win game of the decade or whatever. A clear example of this was the trash they called Starcraft 2, perhaps I'm biased but they haven't released a good game SINCE the original starcraft and warcraft.
First off, lets try and keep this civil for as long as possible by not starting off calling people who might be interested in a game names.
The game is story driven but pvp has been shown here:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/view/forums/thread/299183/There-will-be-other-PvP-in-SWTOR-besides-War-zones.html
As for endgame, they have stated they would have raids a few times in almost every interview they've done
Big Ip don't mean failures. Lotro actually did really well for an MMO, certainly not a failure by any means.
I don't remember anyone saying bioware can't fail. I think i recall them saying that they have faith in BW making a good well polished game.
I agree though that BW has a lot to prove, i however think they are just as up to the challenge as any other companies.
"they are following the old 100 man stuido, 5 years dev time' blueprint, and thus must fail.
I'm sorry, this makes no sense at all. long dev times usually as per history result in rather well done games. It's short dev times that result in failing games.
Granted anything can fail, heck GW2 can fail just as easily, broken or too easy DEs, i see a lot of speculations and a few misinformation going on in your post.
We will have to see but as i stated before i think you might be being a bit harsh on the game and might be surprised with what actually comes out.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.