Why spend countless hours playing through the same raid content to get epic gear when the gear is going to be replaced by green quest rewards in the first dozen quests done in the next expansion?
See that's the problem...that is not supposed to be the point, the challenge is see all the content and beat it, not farm gear.
That's a players mentalithy problem, not the game...and we all know WoW has loads of problems.
I think you are right.
I've said it before and I'll say it again "the players create their own hells".
Yes and no , it is quite obvious the game is built around that concept. otherwise why would the "end raid" even drop new loot? If the game wanted you just to go through content and not farm gear it would be pointless to add a new tier of gear at the last raid.
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt. Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
The game lost it's luster to me a few months back, honestly. I was really hoping the expansion would help bring back some of the excitement and passion that I once had for the game.
It did... for a few days. Then I hit 85 on my first character.
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A bit of a backstory/history here...
The guild I was once in decided to 'break-up'. They were bored with ICC and were 'taking a break' until the expansion hit. Only 1/3 of them came back with Cataclysm.
The server I was on seemed like it was full of 'new' players or 'kids'. After a pretty hard search for a 'good, solid', MATURE but FUN' guild, I decided that I would have to xfer servers to find one. 3 servers later and a few faction changes... I found a guild., but... even the guild has little or no real appeal. It's quiet... comprised of a bunch of people going their own ways to quest, level, and their own goals. There is no 'guild' feeling there... not like there was for me in other games, or even in WoW back in Vanilla and BC, to an extent. Just a bunch of people trying to 'level the guild' so they can get more rewards.
No real 'family' or 'comradery' to be found in these guilds today. Not that I've found.
Anyway... not to be 'off topic' with the guild, so back to Cata....
Tried running the new instances... not really all that fun, honestly. I'm a dps class... so, first and foremost, I wait AT LEAST 20+ minutes just to do 1 dungeon. Everyone says 'go do something else while you wait'... but... all I want to do is run dungeons. I find myself getting bored and logging out after 15 minute wait to go play another game. The World of Waitcraft.
Tried heading into BG's... and those seem to have actually gotten worse with the expansion. Every expansion, every step from 60-70... the pvp side of the game seems to become less and less appealing. The lvl 19 bracket was more enjoyable than the lvl 80-85 bracket, imho. As a dps class... I see healers outdamaging me... I see ranged dps out healing the healers... and I see tanks that just don't seem to take any dmg at all.
I've heard... roll a new character and play a diff class? So, yeah, I've done that. I have multiple accounts. I have just about 1 of everything. I'm tired of needing to play a new class just to be viable in pvp... but I've done it. Refusing to change only leads to further frustration.
I used to be able to log in and play for hours. Now... if I'm on an hour, I'm lucky.
I'm in my 30's. I'm bored to tears with this game at this point. I seem to enjoy FPS games more again... which really wasn't the case for 4-5 years. MMO's really consumed 90% of my game time.
I dunno... Cata just didn't seem to do much for me. I'll likely close all of my accounts and park them. I just don't think it's a game I care to log into each day.
The only reason I came back is because it's possible to do so with the way they design new expansions. The other games I quit there is no turning back after a certain period. I was hoping for a few months of enjoyment over the winter months, but it just got tiresome faster than I would have liked. I'm just tired of WoW and all these games coming out that try to do the same thing.
2011 will be featuring a nice full line up of theme park trick or treat MMO's too, SWEET!. Hopefully TERA will be different enough though.
I left WoW for an entire year, and came back to try to get from 70-80, and I got bored after half a level. As far as BG's go, I enjoy playing FPS like bad company 2, or Left for dead 2, way more for my action fix. The thing is, every single thing WoW has going for it at this point, as far as what I enjoy, I can find in regular multiplayer games.
I guess am perma burnt out of WoW. so happy about it.
On another note, since I am less cynical about how open or 'MMORPGish' games are, aka, I have given up on my SWG vet stubborness, and stopped waiting for anything remotely close to as great as it.
I can now happily look forward to playing SWTOR, and enjoy the very story driven aspect of it, without guilting it too much about how from what I know, it's like a single player game at the core, with a chatbox included.
I find it funny how most people who are "tired of wow" expected cataclysm to bring a new endgame for them. Theyre tired of waiting for raids. Theyre tired of raiding. Theyre tired of high end pvp. etc.
Cataclysm revamped almost the entire old world. Yes, its still "go kill 10 X", but its new scenery, new quest dialog, new equipment. If you dont like leveling new characters and are just playing cataclysm for the raiding, then youre missing out on a LOT of new content. I made a trial account a week ago and the starting zones have been completely redone (cant get over lvl 20 on a trial) and I loved every second of it. I didnt care if it was just "kill 10 oozes" (there really was one like that), I had a lot of fun. I liked the new quest dialog, the new quest mechanics (I found a quest, and accepted it, by killing a mob. I didnt pick up a special item, I just killed a mob and got a notice, it was cool.) and everything else.
Cataclsym brought a lot to the table and if youre just there to rush through the content as fast as you can to raid, then youre missing out on a LOT of neat stuff.
Didn't read the whole thread, but my partner and I also played LESS than one week of Cataclysm and have now permanently deleted WoW from our computers. The new zones are totally on rails, I have never seen such utter linearity in any game EVER. The BEST thing I can say for Cataclysm is that some of the zones, like Vashj'ir.....are pretty. Period. Not enough in this expansion to hold me. We went back to EQ2. I'm sure others that may have left also returned to other games or dropped MMORPGs for a while completely.
Mind you, I have 4 lvl 80s in WoW (and a lvl 82) and yes, I made a worgen and goblin which I played until they were out of their "on rails" starter zones and back to the same old boring leveling. I refuse to ever level another character through Outlands. TOO FUCKING BORING. I'm completely done with WoW, this is the only time since 2004 that I have deleted the game from my hard drive.
So.....everyone has opinions and no, they don't all agree with each other. No biggie. Blizzard isn't going under because of anything I do or say and frankly.....I just don't care whether WoW is popular or not. It's not the game for ME.
Yep, forcing myself to try and enjoy the game already after 1 week of play. I came back since there is no MMO's that I like right now, and I had missed the pvp. Well after 2 days of bg's I am already bored, it just seems so meaningless and pointless. Actually the whole game feels meaningless and pointless. However the hell 10 million people tolerate the constant rinsing and repeating in this game is beyond me. I think I just need a new game to come out that's got a good world pvp system without RvR.
I suggest to anyone that is considering returning to the game to not waste your money, you won't be missing anythng exciting.
i been hearing this a lot in the last week lol, bored players an nothing super cool to the table. LOL they sure did make lots of money off of all those players too XD. i don't think what they brought wasn't worth the money your giving them. if pvp boring then the game is boring imo, that game is developed with pvp in mind. but you want a fight not a clockwork chore where you are looking for point grind systems.
Didn't read the whole thread, but my partner and I also played LESS than one week of Cataclysm and have now permanently deleted WoW from our computers. The new zones are totally on rails, I have never seen such utter linearity in any game EVER. The BEST thing I can say for Cataclysm is that some of the zones, like Vashj'ir.....are pretty. Period. Not enough in this expansion to hold me. We went back to EQ2. I'm sure others that may have left also returned to other games or dropped MMORPGs for a while completely.
Mind you, I have 4 lvl 80s in WoW (and a lvl 82) and yes, I made a worgen and goblin which I played until they were out of their "on rails" starter zones and back to the same old boring leveling. I refuse to ever level another character through Outlands. TOO FUCKING BORING. I'm completely done with WoW, this is the only time since 2004 that I have deleted the game from my hard drive.
So.....everyone has opinions and no, they don't all agree with each other. No biggie. Blizzard isn't going under because of anything I do or say and frankly.....I just don't care whether WoW is popular or not. It's not the game for ME.
Only made it to 82? Wow is all about endgame... so like your signature said willingly ignorant...
I've done the end game for this game REPEATEDLY. I'm one of the ORIGINAL players. Do I think it's going to be different at 85? No. And you're a liar if you say it is. I had guildmates at 85 saying the same thing I'm saying here. So if you want to be a fanboi, that's your choice. I've seen the truth.....that doesn't make me ignorant, it means I have fucking common sense. WoW's end game is never going to change. They have "their way" of doing things, and after playing to end game repeatedly and from vanilla through WotLK....repeatedly.....I'm not willing to do that ANY MORE. What would be ignorant for me to do....is to continue playing WoW for ONE MORE MINUTE.
However, my biggest REGRET is simply that I cannot get back the 80 bucks we spent on the expansion. Thank the gaming gods that at least our SON totally gave up on WoW long ago, so it didn't cost us 120. I don't regret the time I enjoyed, I only regret that I allowed myself to think it would somehow be different this expansion. Blizzard has their way of doing things, which might be fine for 12 million people BUT....it is not fine for ME any more.
I mean wtf, i was looking forward to flying in azeroth at lvl 20, but then they release cata and change it from level 20 to level 60.
That is just lame and really dumb, flying in azeroth is just for the new 80-85 zones and thats the only reason they added it, they mislead us.
At level 60 you wont be leveling on azeroth you'll be in outlands then at 70 northrend till 80... then at 80-85 u'd "need" flying in azeroth.
i was planing to start over leveling toons on a new server, because flying at 20 seemed liek it would be awesome, so i pre-ordered cata and xfered 2 of my 80's to a new server (cata 40$ + xfer 2 characters 50$ = 90$) then cata comes out and i make a goblin rogue and do all the questsing to get off the stupid starting area and find out thta you can't learn to fly until 60 which kinda makes leveling the goblins i made, pointless to me.
And before people try to say "blizzard never said you'd be able to fly on azeroth at level 20"
when 4.0 came out, with all the spell changes and the new spell book, the spell for flying on azeroth said it could be purchased at level 20, but then when cata came out it was changed to say 60 and all the videos i saw about cata and things i read blizzard never said anything about the level requirement but they way blizzard promoted it, it sounded like people doing the new quests in the changed zones would be able to fly and that the zoned where built with flying in mind.
If it was just for the new cata specific zones like mount hyjal they they should of said that ffs.
I'm having fun I'm enjoying exploring the old world, seeing how the environment and story has changed. Doing Archaeology on my Main, only level 82 on her as well. It's so funny hearing all the people complain about the grind...I never grind lol, it really is super easy not to grind in this game, really never did BGs because I wanted honor, just did them for fun, never went to a specific dungeon for gear, just did them for fun. Its obvious the type of people happy with Cata vs people hating Cata, the people that like Cata generally like stories, just like hanging out with people, and/or never got lost in the gear grind. Anyway, the people that hate Cata generally sound like people I wouldn't want to play with anyway, so it's great they are leaving.
No it is not all about end game. Please don't try to force your gear mentality on everyone else.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Playing a game is all about having fun and in terms of MMO, play with friends. Is WoW for everyone? Perhaps not but different elements of an online game intrigues a gamer more than others.
I play quite a few MMORPG in my time and presently still playing WoW Cata after a year of not playing. So far I love the way Blizzard brought back the fun in raiding and even to a certain extend the heroics. WotLK was waaay too easy in my opinion. That being said, I might quit again once I am bored but WoW is one game that I play most.
WoW changed quite a bit in Cata last I checked. Not only in terms of the 'game' itself but the philosophy.
If one looks at the zones it is obvious they want each zone to tell a story, have an over-arching narrative.
Back in pre-Cata days, the devs repeatedly said the player feedback was that Westfall is considered the best zone because everything tied together. From the minute you walked in to all the way to Deadmines.
They just expanded on this story concept to all vanilla zones.
On-rails is correct but you can't tell a story when there is no guidance. Was it worth it? Who knows?
I know some have gone back and I know there are server queues.
Financial market is predicting WoW to increase in subs (which i tend to listen as mega $$$ are on the line for those who make those predictions.)
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I mean wtf, i was looking forward to flying in azeroth at lvl 20, but then they release cata and change it from level 20 to level 60.
That is just lame and really dumb, flying in azeroth is just for the new 80-85 zones and thats the only reason they added it, they mislead us.
At level 60 you wont be leveling on azeroth you'll be in outlands then at 70 northrend till 80... then at 80-85 u'd "need" flying in azeroth.
i was planing to start over leveling toons on a new server, because flying at 20 seemed liek it would be awesome, so i pre-ordered cata and xfered 2 of my 80's to a new server (cata 40$ + xfer 2 characters 50$ = 90$) then cata comes out and i make a goblin rogue and do all the questsing to get off the stupid starting area and find out thta you can't learn to fly until 60 which kinda makes leveling the goblins i made, pointless to me.
And before people try to say "blizzard never said you'd be able to fly on azeroth at level 20"
when 4.0 came out, with all the spell changes and the new spell book, the spell for flying on azeroth said it could be purchased at level 20, but then when cata came out it was changed to say 60 and all the videos i saw about cata and things i read blizzard never said anything about the level requirement but they way blizzard promoted it, it sounded like people doing the new quests in the changed zones would be able to fly and that the zoned where built with flying in mind.
If it was just for the new cata specific zones like mount hyjal they they should of said that ffs.
I never saw where flying was promised to level 20 characters. As far as flying in Azeroth goes, once you get the flying license, you can flying anywhere in Azeroth, not just the new Cataclysm zones.
Yep, forcing myself to try and enjoy the game already after 1 week of play. I came back since there is no MMO's that I like right now, and I had missed the pvp. Well after 2 days of bg's I am already bored, it just seems so meaningless and pointless. Actually the whole game feels meaningless and pointless. However the hell 10 million people tolerate the constant rinsing and repeating in this game is beyond me. I think I just need a new game to come out that's got a good world pvp system without RvR. I suggest to anyone that is considering returning to the game to not waste your money, you won't be missing anythng exciting.
Not 10m .. 12m.
and i am having fun. Now dungeon is actually hard and cc is important again. And all those new content. If u dont like it, dont play. im sure millions r enoying it.
WoW changed quite a bit in Cata last I checked. Not only in terms of the 'game' itself but the philosophy.
If one looks at the zones it is obvious they want each zone to tell a story, have an over-arching narrative. Yes, it is "painfully" obvious.
Back in pre-Cata days, the devs repeatedly said the player feedback was that Westfall is considered the best zone because everything tied together. From the minute you walked in to all the way to Deadmines. Vanilla Westfall was far more free than anything I've seen in Cataclysm.
They just expanded on this story concept to all vanilla zones. And no one cares, because no one cares about the story.
On-rails is correct but you can't tell a story when there is no guidance.
What devs (in many games) never seem to get is that most people don't give a crap about "the story". Heck, most people don't read the quests.
Was it worth it? No. Who knows? From the feedback on these forums, I'm thinking a lot of people know by now.
I know some have gone back and I know there are server queues. Because the last expansion was two years ago and because there is no other competitive AAA title out there.
Financial market is predicting WoW to increase in subs (which i tend to listen as mega $$$ are on the line for those who make those predictions.) I expect a spike, then a sizable move to other new games (Rift, TERA). When EQ Next comes out, I expect WOW to take a huge hit (provided Sony doesn't inject a huge amount of EQ2 and Free Realms concepts into EQ Next).
If you don't care about the story (or lore) and don't read quest, then I can definitely see Cata is not for you. Like I said, WoW's direction changed with Cata, from chaotic (kill XYZ x 10 quest that doesn't have anything to do with anything else) to a more structured one.
I am amazed at the mind-boggling arrogant phrase 'no one cares about the story' or 'most people don't read the quests' though. Wow. you really think you speak for everyone don't you?
Yes, cause negative feedback means the game is wrong for everyone. /Sarcasm
Newsflash, WoW players are not MMO players, they are 'WoW' players. They won't move in any sizable numbers to other games cause they play WoW. It was proven for the past 6 years.
'If a game is similar to WoW why the heck would I play that when WoW is already installed and playable on my pc? Why would I leave the players I've been playing with for X amount of years to play something else that is already similar to WoW?'
"If a game is different to WoW, why would I play XYZ game when Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Borderlands, Just Cause2 etc are already installed and ready to go?"
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
WoW changed quite a bit in Cata last I checked. Not only in terms of the 'game' itself but the philosophy.
If one looks at the zones it is obvious they want each zone to tell a story, have an over-arching narrative. Yes, it is "painfully" obvious.
Back in pre-Cata days, the devs repeatedly said the player feedback was that Westfall is considered the best zone because everything tied together. From the minute you walked in to all the way to Deadmines. Vanilla Westfall was far more free than anything I've seen in Cataclysm.
They just expanded on this story concept to all vanilla zones. And no one cares, because no one cares about the story.
On-rails is correct but you can't tell a story when there is no guidance.
What devs (in many games) never seem to get is that most people don't give a crap about "the story". Heck, most people don't read the quests.
Was it worth it? No. Who knows? From the feedback on these forums, I'm thinking a lot of people know by now.
I know some have gone back and I know there are server queues. Because the last expansion was two years ago and because there is no other competitive AAA title out there.
Financial market is predicting WoW to increase in subs (which i tend to listen as mega $$$ are on the line for those who make those predictions.) I expect a spike, then a sizable move to other new games (Rift, TERA). When EQ Next comes out, I expect WOW to take a huge hit (provided Sony doesn't inject a huge amount of EQ2 and Free Realms concepts into EQ Next).
If you don't care about the story (or lore) and don't read quest, then I can definitely see Cata is not for you. Like I said, WoW's direction changed with Cata, from chaotic (kill XYZ x 10 quest that doesn't have anything to do with anything else) to a more structured one.
I am amazed at the mind-boggling arrogant phrase 'no one cares about the story' or 'most people don't read the quests' though. Wow. you really think you speak for everyone don't you?
Yes, cause negative feedback means the game is wrong for everyone. /Sarcasm
Newsflash, WoW players are not MMO players, they are 'WoW' players. They won't move in any sizable numbers to other games cause they play WoW. It was proven for the past 6 years.
'If a game is similar to WoW why the heck would I play that when WoW is already installed and playable on my pc? Why would I leave the players I've been playing with for X amount of years to play something else that is already similar to WoW?'
"If a game is different to WoW, why would I play XYZ game when Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Borderlands, Just Cause2 etc are already installed and ready to go?"
Its a good point really, the millions that play WoW probably have only ever played WoW, and their not interested in other games - and probably don't even know about them, as advertising is usually online only - WoW actively advertises their game on Television pretty much across the world - its advertised in the UK on tv, and no doubt in USA and much of Europe.. so the people attracted to the game, and probably new to MMO's, theres always an influx of new players after all, particularly whenever theres an ad campaign running, and given that other games don't seem to be miraculously raising their numbers in the hundreds of thousands, its a fair assumption that those who have perhaps have decided WoW is not for them, are probably also passing by all the other games too, though the retention rate, i believe, for WoW is something like 30 percent, if the other games like EQ2 or next etc, were any good, then at least a few players might try it, you'd think, but chances are, if WoW wasnt going to do it, then the others didnt stand a chance anyway... theres a reason WoW is popular.. it has something to do with being ... the best of its genre, self evidentiary really...
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Yes and no , it is quite obvious the game is built around that concept. otherwise why would the "end raid" even drop new loot? If the game wanted you just to go through content and not farm gear it would be pointless to add a new tier of gear at the last raid.
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Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
I can't agree more with the original poster.
The game lost it's luster to me a few months back, honestly. I was really hoping the expansion would help bring back some of the excitement and passion that I once had for the game.
It did... for a few days. Then I hit 85 on my first character.
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A bit of a backstory/history here...
The guild I was once in decided to 'break-up'. They were bored with ICC and were 'taking a break' until the expansion hit. Only 1/3 of them came back with Cataclysm.
The server I was on seemed like it was full of 'new' players or 'kids'. After a pretty hard search for a 'good, solid', MATURE but FUN' guild, I decided that I would have to xfer servers to find one. 3 servers later and a few faction changes... I found a guild., but... even the guild has little or no real appeal. It's quiet... comprised of a bunch of people going their own ways to quest, level, and their own goals. There is no 'guild' feeling there... not like there was for me in other games, or even in WoW back in Vanilla and BC, to an extent. Just a bunch of people trying to 'level the guild' so they can get more rewards.
No real 'family' or 'comradery' to be found in these guilds today. Not that I've found.
Anyway... not to be 'off topic' with the guild, so back to Cata....
Tried running the new instances... not really all that fun, honestly. I'm a dps class... so, first and foremost, I wait AT LEAST 20+ minutes just to do 1 dungeon. Everyone says 'go do something else while you wait'... but... all I want to do is run dungeons. I find myself getting bored and logging out after 15 minute wait to go play another game. The World of Waitcraft.
Tried heading into BG's... and those seem to have actually gotten worse with the expansion. Every expansion, every step from 60-70... the pvp side of the game seems to become less and less appealing. The lvl 19 bracket was more enjoyable than the lvl 80-85 bracket, imho. As a dps class... I see healers outdamaging me... I see ranged dps out healing the healers... and I see tanks that just don't seem to take any dmg at all.
I've heard... roll a new character and play a diff class? So, yeah, I've done that. I have multiple accounts. I have just about 1 of everything. I'm tired of needing to play a new class just to be viable in pvp... but I've done it. Refusing to change only leads to further frustration.
I used to be able to log in and play for hours. Now... if I'm on an hour, I'm lucky.
I'm in my 30's. I'm bored to tears with this game at this point. I seem to enjoy FPS games more again... which really wasn't the case for 4-5 years. MMO's really consumed 90% of my game time.
I dunno... Cata just didn't seem to do much for me. I'll likely close all of my accounts and park them. I just don't think it's a game I care to log into each day.
The only reason I came back is because it's possible to do so with the way they design new expansions. The other games I quit there is no turning back after a certain period. I was hoping for a few months of enjoyment over the winter months, but it just got tiresome faster than I would have liked. I'm just tired of WoW and all these games coming out that try to do the same thing.
2011 will be featuring a nice full line up of theme park trick or treat MMO's too, SWEET!. Hopefully TERA will be different enough though.
I left WoW for an entire year, and came back to try to get from 70-80, and I got bored after half a level. As far as BG's go, I enjoy playing FPS like bad company 2, or Left for dead 2, way more for my action fix. The thing is, every single thing WoW has going for it at this point, as far as what I enjoy, I can find in regular multiplayer games.
I guess am perma burnt out of WoW.
so happy about it.
On another note, since I am less cynical about how open or 'MMORPGish' games are, aka, I have given up on my SWG vet stubborness, and stopped waiting for anything remotely close to as great as it.
I can now happily look forward to playing SWTOR, and enjoy the very story driven aspect of it, without guilting it too much about how from what I know, it's like a single player game at the core, with a chatbox included.
mmm pizza
I find it funny how most people who are "tired of wow" expected cataclysm to bring a new endgame for them. Theyre tired of waiting for raids. Theyre tired of raiding. Theyre tired of high end pvp. etc.
Cataclysm revamped almost the entire old world. Yes, its still "go kill 10 X", but its new scenery, new quest dialog, new equipment. If you dont like leveling new characters and are just playing cataclysm for the raiding, then youre missing out on a LOT of new content. I made a trial account a week ago and the starting zones have been completely redone (cant get over lvl 20 on a trial) and I loved every second of it. I didnt care if it was just "kill 10 oozes" (there really was one like that), I had a lot of fun. I liked the new quest dialog, the new quest mechanics (I found a quest, and accepted it, by killing a mob. I didnt pick up a special item, I just killed a mob and got a notice, it was cool.) and everything else.
Cataclsym brought a lot to the table and if youre just there to rush through the content as fast as you can to raid, then youre missing out on a LOT of neat stuff.
After 2 lines of OPs post i was bored...
Didn't read the whole thread, but my partner and I also played LESS than one week of Cataclysm and have now permanently deleted WoW from our computers. The new zones are totally on rails, I have never seen such utter linearity in any game EVER. The BEST thing I can say for Cataclysm is that some of the zones, like Vashj'ir.....are pretty. Period. Not enough in this expansion to hold me. We went back to EQ2. I'm sure others that may have left also returned to other games or dropped MMORPGs for a while completely.
Mind you, I have 4 lvl 80s in WoW (and a lvl 82) and yes, I made a worgen and goblin which I played until they were out of their "on rails" starter zones and back to the same old boring leveling. I refuse to ever level another character through Outlands. TOO FUCKING BORING. I'm completely done with WoW, this is the only time since 2004 that I have deleted the game from my hard drive.
So.....everyone has opinions and no, they don't all agree with each other. No biggie. Blizzard isn't going under because of anything I do or say and frankly.....I just don't care whether WoW is popular or not. It's not the game for ME.
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i been hearing this a lot in the last week lol, bored players an nothing super cool to the table. LOL they sure did make lots of money off of all those players too XD. i don't think what they brought wasn't worth the money your giving them. if pvp boring then the game is boring imo, that game is developed with pvp in mind. but you want a fight not a clockwork chore where you are looking for point grind systems.
I've done the end game for this game REPEATEDLY. I'm one of the ORIGINAL players. Do I think it's going to be different at 85? No. And you're a liar if you say it is. I had guildmates at 85 saying the same thing I'm saying here. So if you want to be a fanboi, that's your choice. I've seen the truth.....that doesn't make me ignorant, it means I have fucking common sense. WoW's end game is never going to change. They have "their way" of doing things, and after playing to end game repeatedly and from vanilla through WotLK....repeatedly.....I'm not willing to do that ANY MORE. What would be ignorant for me to do....is to continue playing WoW for ONE MORE MINUTE.
However, my biggest REGRET is simply that I cannot get back the 80 bucks we spent on the expansion. Thank the gaming gods that at least our SON totally gave up on WoW long ago, so it didn't cost us 120. I don't regret the time I enjoyed, I only regret that I allowed myself to think it would somehow be different this expansion. Blizzard has their way of doing things, which might be fine for 12 million people BUT....it is not fine for ME any more.
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cata was all hype and bs.
I mean wtf, i was looking forward to flying in azeroth at lvl 20, but then they release cata and change it from level 20 to level 60.
That is just lame and really dumb, flying in azeroth is just for the new 80-85 zones and thats the only reason they added it, they mislead us.
At level 60 you wont be leveling on azeroth you'll be in outlands then at 70 northrend till 80... then at 80-85 u'd "need" flying in azeroth.
i was planing to start over leveling toons on a new server, because flying at 20 seemed liek it would be awesome, so i pre-ordered cata and xfered 2 of my 80's to a new server (cata 40$ + xfer 2 characters 50$ = 90$) then cata comes out and i make a goblin rogue and do all the questsing to get off the stupid starting area and find out thta you can't learn to fly until 60 which kinda makes leveling the goblins i made, pointless to me.
And before people try to say "blizzard never said you'd be able to fly on azeroth at level 20"
when 4.0 came out, with all the spell changes and the new spell book, the spell for flying on azeroth said it could be purchased at level 20, but then when cata came out it was changed to say 60 and all the videos i saw about cata and things i read blizzard never said anything about the level requirement but they way blizzard promoted it, it sounded like people doing the new quests in the changed zones would be able to fly and that the zoned where built with flying in mind.
If it was just for the new cata specific zones like mount hyjal they they should of said that ffs.
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I'm having fun
I'm enjoying exploring the old world, seeing how the environment and story has changed. Doing Archaeology on my Main, only level 82 on her as well. It's so funny hearing all the people complain about the grind...I never grind lol, it really is super easy not to grind in this game, really never did BGs because I wanted honor, just did them for fun, never went to a specific dungeon for gear, just did them for fun. Its obvious the type of people happy with Cata vs people hating Cata, the people that like Cata generally like stories, just like hanging out with people, and/or never got lost in the gear grind. Anyway, the people that hate Cata generally sound like people I wouldn't want to play with anyway, so it's great they are leaving. 
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No it is not all about end game. Please don't try to force your gear mentality on everyone else.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Playing a game is all about having fun and in terms of MMO, play with friends. Is WoW for everyone? Perhaps not but different elements of an online game intrigues a gamer more than others.
I play quite a few MMORPG in my time and presently still playing WoW Cata after a year of not playing. So far I love the way Blizzard brought back the fun in raiding and even to a certain extend the heroics. WotLK was waaay too easy in my opinion. That being said, I might quit again once I am bored but WoW is one game that I play most.
WoW changed quite a bit in Cata last I checked. Not only in terms of the 'game' itself but the philosophy.
If one looks at the zones it is obvious they want each zone to tell a story, have an over-arching narrative.
Back in pre-Cata days, the devs repeatedly said the player feedback was that Westfall is considered the best zone because everything tied together. From the minute you walked in to all the way to Deadmines.
They just expanded on this story concept to all vanilla zones.
On-rails is correct but you can't tell a story when there is no guidance. Was it worth it? Who knows?
I know some have gone back and I know there are server queues.
Financial market is predicting WoW to increase in subs (which i tend to listen as mega $$$ are on the line for those who make those predictions.)
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I never saw where flying was promised to level 20 characters. As far as flying in Azeroth goes, once you get the flying license, you can flying anywhere in Azeroth, not just the new Cataclysm zones.
Not 10m .. 12m.and i am having fun. Now dungeon is actually hard and cc is important again. And all those new content. If u dont like it, dont play. im sure millions r enoying it.
If you don't care about the story (or lore) and don't read quest, then I can definitely see Cata is not for you. Like I said, WoW's direction changed with Cata, from chaotic (kill XYZ x 10 quest that doesn't have anything to do with anything else) to a more structured one.
I am amazed at the mind-boggling arrogant phrase 'no one cares about the story' or 'most people don't read the quests' though. Wow. you really think you speak for everyone don't you?
Yes, cause negative feedback means the game is wrong for everyone. /Sarcasm
Newsflash, WoW players are not MMO players, they are 'WoW' players. They won't move in any sizable numbers to other games cause they play WoW. It was proven for the past 6 years.
'If a game is similar to WoW why the heck would I play that when WoW is already installed and playable on my pc? Why would I leave the players I've been playing with for X amount of years to play something else that is already similar to WoW?'
"If a game is different to WoW, why would I play XYZ game when Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Borderlands, Just Cause2 etc are already installed and ready to go?"
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Its a good point really, the millions that play WoW probably have only ever played WoW, and their not interested in other games - and probably don't even know about them, as advertising is usually online only - WoW actively advertises their game on Television pretty much across the world - its advertised in the UK on tv, and no doubt in USA and much of Europe.. so the people attracted to the game, and probably new to MMO's, theres always an influx of new players after all, particularly whenever theres an ad campaign running, and given that other games don't seem to be miraculously raising their numbers in the hundreds of thousands, its a fair assumption that those who have perhaps have decided WoW is not for them, are probably also passing by all the other games too, though the retention rate, i believe, for WoW is something like 30 percent, if the other games like EQ2 or next etc, were any good, then at least a few players might try it, you'd think, but chances are, if WoW wasnt going to do it, then the others didnt stand a chance anyway... theres a reason WoW is popular.. it has something to do with being ... the best of its genre, self evidentiary really...