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EVE Online... Depressing
Harleking89
Member Posts: 68
This is a rant ...
Ok, so, I've had an account on EVE Online for something like 3 years maybe, but I've only played every now and then when they allow you to reactivate for free for a few days. That said, I find EVE to be a cool game in several ways... And different I guess. I've thought about subscribing to it many times but have never quite got the perfect reason to do it.
So recently they allowed for 5 days reactivation. Been playing today and some yesterday. My character is a minmatar who is mainly training for combat. He's flying a Hurricane battlecruiser. Well guess what happened today and almost every other time I've started to play again. I lost the ship. Ganked. Low sec, yes (not 0.0).
And every single time that happens (losing the ship), I get depressed. This is like the only game in the world that has made me depressed. So much time lost. I don't get alot of ISK fast, so losing a battlecruiser is a big deal for me. It's my first battlecruiser too. I've probably lost 4+ cruisers before, AND I ONLY DO MISSIONS.
So now you're probably thinking; "Well why don't you learn from your mistakes and stop flying through low sec." And you'd be right. But I have learned somewhat. I know shit can happen anytime you're in low sec. I've also learned that warp scrambling has been the sole reason every single time I've been ganked. So actually, I first equipped a warp stabilizer on my battlecruiser, but apparently those things also reduce your targetting range a whole lot. Since I play with long range combat, I removed it. Silly me.
And hey, when I got ganked today, the 4 guys got into my mission deadspace somehow. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT.
Is this game just not for me? I come back when CCP allows me to for free, but I always also quit when I lose my ship because I get depressed over the lost time. Yes, lost time. I've been doing missions all day today, until I got ganked. All those missions done today and yesterday - useless, except for the standings gain. I lost more money than I made and that took a few seconds.
Just had to say this stuff. It's so annoying because I do like this game. But when I lose my ship, I can't get past that and just keep playing. It feels useless to do that, basically. Maybe I play for the wrong reason or something.
Thanks. Do feel free to post your own thoughts about EVE in general.
All it takes is one bad day.
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Just a few pointers to help you out.
People can find you in missions using combat probes, combat probes are devices used to locate ships in space and they can locate you when you're doing a mission. In order to stop them from finding you, you can look at what's in space using your "directional scanner". The direction scanner allows you to look at things that are withing about 15 AUs from you and it is really helpful when you're in losec missioning, mining or exploring so you can find out if the person in the system with you is hunting or passing through.
You can find it by bringing up the Scan tab which is on the left side of your ship's Armor and shields. The first thing you see when you bring up the scan tab is the probe scan menu, ignore that, look at the tabs on the top and click on the one that says "directional scanner". Now that you've done that, set the degrees (it will say 90 degrees) to 360 and then on the distance just add more zeros to the 1000 (infite zeros is sufficient) and then click scan. It will pick up anything within 0 - 15AUs from you.
If you want more precision you have to go click on the use overview settings tab and then correct the overview settings so that it includes Probes of all shapes and sizes. You can do this by clicking on the little triangle on your overview and then going to overview settings and selecting what you want to see in space on your overview.
If you need more help you can join the channel "The Ale House" by clicking on the little speach bubble on the right corner of your chat box and typing "The Ale House" in the box and clicking join, ask questions and you should get an answer. Hope that helps and fly safe o7.
This is not a game.
I have a Love Hate Relationship with this Game also... it's Funny how it's Greatest Strengths are also it's Greatest Weakness.
Try Perpetuum online out for a breat of fresh air
Well that does explain a few things. See I had NO CLUE about this stuff right here. I haven't even read about it one bit before.
Also, about the lowsec. Yes, I have been doing missions in lowsec, and yes I have gotten blown up more than once for doing so. I can't remember why exactly I did it a year ago or so, but the reason for today is because that's where the agents I was looking for were at. I wanted a level 2 command/security/internalsecurity Republic Fleet agent with GOOD quality. That's what I wanted, and the ones I could find were all in low sec. Reason for level 2 is because I wanted the storyline mission and then start going for level 3.
So I have a question, are all the good quality agents in low sec?
All it takes is one bad day.
Believe it or not, that feeling of loss (or at least the possibility of it) is one of the reasons that people play Eve. Consequences for messing up can add so much to your feeling of achievement when you finally do reach your goal.
That said, it's not for everyone, and that's a good thing. Different games offering different choices in playstyle is what it's all about, the recent run of game homogenization notwithstanding. Eve is more complex than most any other game out there; you need to study it like you would for a college summer course in order to thrive.
For me, Eve works best if I'm playing another mmo with less inherent stress at the same time. People think I'm nuts for enjoying both Wow and Eve, but I do. You might try something similar if you decide to stick to it.
Playing: FFXIV, EVE
No, incase you don't already know - you can find agents by pulling up the corporations info. You can do that by going into your people and places tab, setting the search to corporation and typing the name of the corporation you want. After which you then go to the corporations agents tab and you can look at which ones are good quality although you wouldn't be able to tell if they are in losec or hisec until your right-click their names and set destination to where they are.
This is not a game.
Zeroxin gave you maybe the best advice I could give you. You are not using your scanner nor are do you have your overview setup properly. Always have your overview setup for PvP, even when doing missions. I can't tell you how many people I've read got popped in missions b/c they didn't realize another human player was targeting them and could/didn't distinguish it from the NPC.
It would be easy to be contemptuous of you, b/c most vets hate/ridicule solo missionrunners. I will attempt to not do that with this post. I understand that you enjoy EvE and that your depression comes from a significant loss in a MMO. I hope you realize this is a good thing. If you feel this way, it's because you care about losing your ship. That alone really is what sets EvE apart from everything else, even Darkfall.
I recommend/strongly urge you to stop running missions/mining/whatever you are doing the next time you log in. Read on eve-o forums for using your directional scanner and setting up your overview. It may sound trivial, but really it is what gives you all the info to make decisions. You wouldn't fit a module on a ship w/o reading the description would you? However most people undock and have no idea how to setup their overview for what they are doing.
Concerning mission running in losec. Pirates probe out mission runners all the time. Casual players should avoid losec. You easily forget mechanics like combat probes if you are only playing every few months. WCS(WarpCoreStablizers) were patched to reduce your max targetting range which is good. No good pvp fit uses them now, meaning if someone attacks you they are almost always committed to their attack now...no attacking and you scramming them and them running away.
Avoid mission running in losec, particularily if you a casual player. For your sake, please learn how to use your scanner, overview and how to make bookmarks. If you undock, no matter your activity, remember someone is undocking to destroy you. Paranoia makes EvE the game it is.
Good luck and fly safe.
Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die
Hiatus: EvE
Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh)
Interested in: better games in general
Here is a brief scanning tutorial, shows you how they found you in low sec.
There are several hubs in eve for missions that are decent quality that can keep you out of lowsec. Motsu is one of the main caldari hubs, not sure about minmatar but eve-agents.com should help you locate the best area.
If you truely must go into lowsec...I highly recommend you NOT doing it in a battlecruiser with out a scout, as if there is a gate camp you are most likely boned. However, another helpful tip is using the D-scanner. It will let you know that baddies are coming before they arrive and let you escape. Watch this tutorial.
Well, if I hadn't lost this ship today I wouldn't have learnt about the D-scanner just now. Really, I had no idea about this thing, but now it seems so essential. So I don't know what to think. I guess I don't read enough, but really, I HAVE read alot about EVE... As I go along. That's how I play a game. Thanks for the tips, very helpful.
All it takes is one bad day.
@OP...
hahaha no kidding. I have learned more about this game than some people know about a job they punch a timecard for 8 hours a day. I remember learning about moon goo and how simple reactions become complex reactions. I personally have never seen so many player built apps for a game than I have for EvE. If EvE was easy, I think most of us would leave.
D-Scanner/Overview settings and such really should be reviewed every time you undock. If you aren't using them, or choose not to use them..you are asking for trouble. I do cursory research b/f I run a mission, to get what they are weak too and what I should be using for damage types. However alot of people don't use their overview to even filter out concord or faction police.
It's almost comical, but it at least it makes for good forum tears.
Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die
Hiatus: EvE
Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh)
Interested in: better games in general
I think it's even more important to understand a EVE on psychological level, than getting into the details of game mechanics. EVE just needs to be approached is different way than many other MMORPG's. Extreme patience is required, compared to other MMORPG's. You also kind of need to learn enjoy losing. The ships are just expendable tool for gettting stuff done and they come and go. Getting too attached to anything makes the game just a pain to play. People have the ability affect you and you them, that's really the coolest part of EVE. It's truly a virtual world, social net of many people and emotions, often frustration and anger, but also happy moments, and that's what you shold learn to enjoy about the game, and not get too caught up with the ships, ISK, skill points and such, too much. It's a sandbox for overgrown children to do what they want. EVE also teaches humbleness and modesty in a way. It's like a meditation in form of a game!
I'm starting to understand that, but I'm still caught up with the lack of skill points. Too attached to the idea that they are the beginning and end of all.
good on you, then, OP. I've lost more ships than I care to talk about. I emorage, then I calm down and start again. also killed more than my fair share of people, so it kind of evens out. you might consider a life of piracy yourself. it's fun
lol OP.
I cannot begin to tell you how many ships I've lost in low sec (Before i knew of scanners) you aren't alone by far in how many lost efforts you've had. I honestly believe WE ALL have had this error at some time in our eve lives, no worries though mate. One day if you stick to the game you'll be the ganker. Really that's what eve is about in a nutshell. Gank or be Ganked.
just another thought. I have learned much in the game, and there is always someone to learn from in the corparations. I am a member of Eve University, and it is very friendly to new players. Though many corperations that cater to new people would be helpful, and, imo, make the game more enjoyable.
Lu Zun (noob in the uni, who doesn't play much due to RL
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Wait, you run into a situation that you know might get you killed, get killed, and don't do a modicum of research on how to avoid getting killed, or even simpler, just avoid the situation alltogether?
What the hell dude. :-|
Tell you what, I've lost several billions to market fluctuations over holidays when i couldn't play but left orders up.
Guess what i'm no longer doing..
and...
"Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose 6x over."
Shadus
Thanks, now I certainly won't bother at all.
All it takes is one bad day.
OP lets talk some about what your real issue is....and its understandable for many new people to have these issues.
1. You didnt realize you didnt have to go to lowsec for regular good mission agents / mission locations.
2. You didnt have any mentors talking to you about the basics and next stage elements of mission running.
3. Because you didnt have a firm grasp on these parts, you have once again left yourself open to ship loss.
4. This ship loss is higher than your daily income, and feels like you play for nothing.
This is the best learning leason you could ever have in eve. You know what loss is, and what doesnt work....now lets move on to what does work.
1. You need to be more social. Eve is a very social game on the corp level, and you need to ask questions. Ask in corp chat even in its an NPC corp.
2. You need to learn to fly what you can afford to lose. When i say this, what im talking about for you is.... dont fly a ship in a low sec mission that will depleate all your assets if lost. Every Eve player knows that they must have fallback Isk in case of loss.
3. You must learn the basics of highsec / lowsec mechanis vs. mission running. This includes loot flipping, basic agro mechanics, and in low sec..d-scan and probing. Im not saying you have to be a pro..but you need to know what threats you face in Eve's basic everyday life.
The NPC corps are not a goal for lifetime eve play, but they do answer many questions. Be patient, ask questions, and you will get answers. Then look over time for a player corp that meets your playstyle.
All I can do is laugh its not like probes got officially added to the overview recently or anything.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
Don't let people discourage you... we all were new, we all started somewhere. I am thinking of coming back to the game and have not played in a very long time.... I do not think I even remember how to play the game anymore.... I will be re-learning how to play..... So I am basically a vet player who gets to start all n00b, fun, fun.. but I desperately want something different. So ignore all this, find a fun corp that is willing to help you learn all this new stuff and move on.
Averros the Ancient
If that one paragraph I wrote is enough to keep him from playing then I really don't think the game is for him. Imagine the first time he gets can flipped, or his stuff stolen in a corp? I don't think he'd be able to take it. Smack talk, scams, gate camps, suicide ganks, really complex game mechanics all around...
I mean really, I asked a simple question: Why didn't he have insurance? Then the loss is minimal.
Attention OP: Eve online has the best help channel in any mmorpg I've ever seen, by far. Press f12, then click join channel to see for yourself. If you decide to toughen up and play (which I'm not so sure is the best idea for you), you need to get in that channel and read what other people say and ask questions, lots of them.
How so? You lost your ship because you did something you knew you should most likely not be doing - running low sec missions.
You bothered enough to find out all the information you already know - agent quality, low sec dangers, warp core stabilizer, etc. I guess it is up to you to decide if you want to learn from your mistakes, make more research about game mechanics and explore the game or stick with safe areas and what you already know.
Actually, that's the problem. There's so much information out there its quite easy to overlook something extremely crucial. Despite playing for 3 years I certainly don't know everything and can make mistakes.
Eve is a game where experience is the best teacher, and as others have mentioned, they learned about the perils of low sec, scan probing and the like the hard way.
Many EVE players may not realize this, but most MMORPG's can be played like fun, casual games (i.e. see WOW) with no real penalty to the player and that's how most people approach games, fun and casually.
Of course, EVE is anything but forgiving to those who fail to study up and learn from their mistakes, which is why those who play it enjoy it so much, due to the consequences and rewards for your actions.
If there's anyone in this thread who's never made a mistake or an uninformed decision in EVE feel free to cast the first stone at the OP. The rest of you should remember what they say about people who live in glass houses.
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