I'd love a cyberpunk MMO like Deus Ex if its going to be scifi. To me steampunk is more fantasy than scifi anyway. I would enjoy a steampunk MMO too, perhaps like Thief 2 or something more medieval themed, but it just would be as enjoyable for me. Ofcourse this is all assuming that we are talking about a virtual world kind of mmo, not the SinglePlayerOnline games we have today.
Cyberpunk is nice but sooo niche.. its quite restrictive in its settings compared to steampunk. and steampunk can hold cyberpunk mechanics / settings ,not the otherway around.
Steampunk is also not fantasie. well it could be but dont have to be. magic and steam can be totaly intergrated whit each other if one would wish so for thier IP the only thing fantasie would most likely be the races but meh..elfs in space suits or aliens in spacesuits.. they both still shoot laser , one uses "mystical" crystals powered laser rods and the otehr fusion powered hand guns.. meh..all the same.
I prefer sci-fi to not be anything-punk (unless you'd consider Eclipse Phase to be cyberpunk, which I wouldn't); but if limited to those choices, I absolutely choose cyberpunk, at least because my distaste for steampunk knows no bounds.
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I would love a setting like shadowrun for an MMO, with both fantasy and cyberpunk elements.
Agreed, Shadowrun is a great setting.
I could however see myself playing a Ravenloft MMO as well. TSRs old Steampunk - horror setting. Funny enough do I think CCP have the rights to it right now, at least did White wolf own it before and they have merged with CCP.
But Shadowrun have a huge potential if you do it right, With my luck it would probably be Cryptic that got the license however. Microsofts FPS game as really bad so a good setting isn't enough.
I'd prefer cyberpunk because of the greater believability - in RL steam has already been outclassed by internal combustion engines, so reintroducing it for a scifi setting (of all possible scenarios) would look really weird.
Also, for skill-enhancing items like most MMOS have, cybernetic implants work fine story-wise. In a steampunk environment, especially without magic, this gets more difficult to arrange in a believable way.
I'd love to see a steampunk / Victorian fantasy style game in a setting similar to Howl's Moving Castle or really any Miyazaki film.
Even Chrono Trigger's setting would be a blend of sci-fi / fantasy / tech that I think could appeal to a good sized audience. As opposed to fantasy cyber punk like Shadowrun, WHICH I'D DIE TO SEE, which is more niche.
I would be fine with either one, as long as it is a very dark setting and players are given the chance to be totally ammoral and ruthless. That is what I loved about Eve, the ruthlessness.
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Neither, I hate both steampunk and cyberpunk as genres. I want hard sci-fi, something very realistic and something that has nothing even remotely fantasy in it's makeup.
If I had to choose, I'd say Victorian Steampunk. Cyberpunk has kind of come and gone. That said, it would really depend on the game. Steampunk is very much a style, but just having steam powered stuff doesn't make a game steampunk. Neo Steam was supposed to be steampunk, or have steampunk elements...but it was really just a classic mmorpg.
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Why not make something that is Niether? Steampunk and cyberpunk have all been done before right.. SO why cant we come up with something new?
I say stop using old lables and old genres, lets creat something we havent seen. I have a few good ideas..
Isn't that what got the MMO market into the trouble it's in now? Just copying other things over and over? Making WoW clones? Doing the same damn thing ad nauseum?
I personally hate the concept of steampunk. It's a technical anachronism. Why rely on steam (or other outmoded technology) and try to put it into a futuristic game? If you want to play an 1800s era game, go play one. Stop trying to stuff the 1800s into the future. It's over. It's dead. Let it stay that way.
On the other hand, I absolutely detest the idea of cyberpunk. I don't want a dark, dank and disgusting future. If the best I can hope for is to simply survive, count me out. I want a bright future, where there may be problems but overall, it isn't corrupt corporations running the show and people hacking off their arms and grafting on machines, just because they can. I find the whole concept absolutely idiotic.
Let's try something new. I want hard sci-fi that's optimistic. It's based around exploration and growth and improvement, not wallowing in the muck.
Why not make something that is Niether? Steampunk and cyberpunk have all been done before right.. SO why cant we come up with something new?
I say stop using old lables and old genres, lets creat something we havent seen. I have a few good ideas..
Isn't that what got the MMO market into the trouble it's in now? Just copying other things over and over? Making WoW clones? Doing the same damn thing ad nauseum?
I personally hate the concept of steampunk. It's a technical anachronism. Why rely on steam (or other outmoded technology) and try to put it into a futuristic game? If you want to play an 1800s era game, go play one. Stop trying to stuff the 1800s into the future. It's over. It's dead. Let it stay that way.
On the other hand, I absolutely detest the idea of cyberpunk. I don't want a dark, dank and disgusting future. If the best I can hope for is to simply survive, count me out. I want a bright future, where there may be problems but overall, it isn't corrupt corporations running the show and people hacking off their arms and grafting on machines, just because they can. I find the whole concept absolutely idiotic.
Let's try something new. I want hard sci-fi that's optimistic. It's based around exploration and growth and improvement, not wallowing in the muck.
more hard sci-fi than cyberpunk? that would be RL
while idea of intentionally hacking off limbs to replace it with machinery may seem idiotic, it's one quite probable future. would you replace your body with one that makes you stronger, faster, more durable? your eyes with one that see in infrared and ultraviolet? augement your brain with enhanced calculation, data storage and recovery? direct-machinery-access implants?
maybe you wouldn't. but when others start using them to get an edge, how much choice will you have? job requirement: must have specific implant. fiction? how many blind people can drive? what if they could see again? what if they could see more than you have ever been able to?
then again, look around you. people are buying gadgets all the time to improve their abilities. personal computers? entertainment? media reproduction? on other hand, A LOT of people are buying these just for fashion. and fashion is huge business. cell-phones have been functional for a decade. how much better phone do you need? who cares! new model is better. change color of your eyes? frak that! let me record movies with my eyes!
how far will our natural bodies go? and will there be a point when augmentations becomes a fashion instead of need?
and that's not even scrapping surface. once disgustingly rich individuals get to the level of trading planets, how much worth will a single man's life be? will you even need customers except for entertainment? new-age gladiators, step forward.
that's real cyberpunk. hardest you can get. i'd have that over we-don't-need-no-money explorers (wtf do you explore than for) any day of the week. tho, it's probably too eye-opening for mainstream. in-fact, many people actually LIVE cyberpunk (even if they don't know it), and do not want more.
don't forget what real science fiction is about: People. us, Humans. spaceships, lazors, and chrome are just bling. don't let it blind you. good game shouldn't be different than a good book. if a book can be art, so can a game. if it makes you think, and makes you ask more questions then it answers; that's what good art is about.
then of course, for everyone that is just along for a ride, don't worry. it's bright future ahead. it really is
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I'd love a cyberpunk MMO like Deus Ex if its going to be scifi. To me steampunk is more fantasy than scifi anyway. I would enjoy a steampunk MMO too, perhaps like Thief 2 or something more medieval themed, but it just would be as enjoyable for me. Ofcourse this is all assuming that we are talking about a virtual world kind of mmo, not the SinglePlayerOnline games we have today.
Cyberpunk is nice but sooo niche.. its quite restrictive in its settings compared to steampunk. and steampunk can hold cyberpunk mechanics / settings ,not the otherway around.
Steampunk is also not fantasie. well it could be but dont have to be. magic and steam can be totaly intergrated whit each other if one would wish so for thier IP the only thing fantasie would most likely be the races but meh..elfs in space suits or aliens in spacesuits.. they both still shoot laser , one uses "mystical" crystals powered laser rods and the otehr fusion powered hand guns.. meh..all the same.
I prefer sci-fi to not be anything-punk (unless you'd consider Eclipse Phase to be cyberpunk, which I wouldn't); but if limited to those choices, I absolutely choose cyberpunk, at least because my distaste for steampunk knows no bounds.
Agreed, Shadowrun is a great setting.
I could however see myself playing a Ravenloft MMO as well. TSRs old Steampunk - horror setting. Funny enough do I think CCP have the rights to it right now, at least did White wolf own it before and they have merged with CCP.
But Shadowrun have a huge potential if you do it right, With my luck it would probably be Cryptic that got the license however. Microsofts FPS game as really bad so a good setting isn't enough.
I'd prefer cyberpunk because of the greater believability - in RL steam has already been outclassed by internal combustion engines, so reintroducing it for a scifi setting (of all possible scenarios) would look really weird.
Also, for skill-enhancing items like most MMOS have, cybernetic implants work fine story-wise. In a steampunk environment, especially without magic, this gets more difficult to arrange in a believable way.
both. ok. i cant choose. i love both a lot. maybe i can choose. ok. if forced to choose...cyberpunk..with magic. shadowrun.
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Stonepunk. Like the Flintstones.
Technomagic, similar to that seen in The Golden Compass.
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I'd love to see a steampunk / Victorian fantasy style game in a setting similar to Howl's Moving Castle or really any Miyazaki film.
Even Chrono Trigger's setting would be a blend of sci-fi / fantasy / tech that I think could appeal to a good sized audience. As opposed to fantasy cyber punk like Shadowrun, WHICH I'D DIE TO SEE, which is more niche.
why either, or?
im thinking cyberpunk
I would be fine with either one, as long as it is a very dark setting and players are given the chance to be totally ammoral and ruthless. That is what I loved about Eve, the ruthlessness.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Neither, I hate both steampunk and cyberpunk as genres. I want hard sci-fi, something very realistic and something that has nothing even remotely fantasy in it's makeup.
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If I had to choose, I'd say Victorian Steampunk. Cyberpunk has kind of come and gone. That said, it would really depend on the game. Steampunk is very much a style, but just having steam powered stuff doesn't make a game steampunk. Neo Steam was supposed to be steampunk, or have steampunk elements...but it was really just a classic mmorpg.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Why not make something that is Niether? Steampunk and cyberpunk have all been done before right.. SO why cant we come up with something new?
I say stop using old lables and old genres, lets creat something we havent seen. I have a few good ideas..
Isn't that what got the MMO market into the trouble it's in now? Just copying other things over and over? Making WoW clones? Doing the same damn thing ad nauseum?
I personally hate the concept of steampunk. It's a technical anachronism. Why rely on steam (or other outmoded technology) and try to put it into a futuristic game? If you want to play an 1800s era game, go play one. Stop trying to stuff the 1800s into the future. It's over. It's dead. Let it stay that way.
On the other hand, I absolutely detest the idea of cyberpunk. I don't want a dark, dank and disgusting future. If the best I can hope for is to simply survive, count me out. I want a bright future, where there may be problems but overall, it isn't corrupt corporations running the show and people hacking off their arms and grafting on machines, just because they can. I find the whole concept absolutely idiotic.
Let's try something new. I want hard sci-fi that's optimistic. It's based around exploration and growth and improvement, not wallowing in the muck.
Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR, AoC, GW, GA, Aion, Allods, lots more
Relatively Recently (Re)Played: HL2 (all), Halo (PC, all), Batman:AA; AC, ME, BS, DA, FO3, DS, Doom (all), LFD1&2, KOTOR, Portal 1&2, Blink, Elder Scrolls (all), lots more
Now Playing: None
Hope: None
more hard sci-fi than cyberpunk? that would be RL
while idea of intentionally hacking off limbs to replace it with machinery may seem idiotic, it's one quite probable future. would you replace your body with one that makes you stronger, faster, more durable? your eyes with one that see in infrared and ultraviolet? augement your brain with enhanced calculation, data storage and recovery? direct-machinery-access implants?
maybe you wouldn't. but when others start using them to get an edge, how much choice will you have? job requirement: must have specific implant. fiction? how many blind people can drive? what if they could see again? what if they could see more than you have ever been able to?
then again, look around you. people are buying gadgets all the time to improve their abilities. personal computers? entertainment? media reproduction? on other hand, A LOT of people are buying these just for fashion. and fashion is huge business. cell-phones have been functional for a decade. how much better phone do you need? who cares! new model is better. change color of your eyes? frak that! let me record movies with my eyes!
how far will our natural bodies go? and will there be a point when augmentations becomes a fashion instead of need?
and that's not even scrapping surface. once disgustingly rich individuals get to the level of trading planets, how much worth will a single man's life be? will you even need customers except for entertainment? new-age gladiators, step forward.
that's real cyberpunk. hardest you can get. i'd have that over we-don't-need-no-money explorers (wtf do you explore than for) any day of the week. tho, it's probably too eye-opening for mainstream. in-fact, many people actually LIVE cyberpunk (even if they don't know it), and do not want more.
don't forget what real science fiction is about: People. us, Humans. spaceships, lazors, and chrome are just bling. don't let it blind you. good game shouldn't be different than a good book. if a book can be art, so can a game. if it makes you think, and makes you ask more questions then it answers; that's what good art is about.
then of course, for everyone that is just along for a ride, don't worry. it's bright future ahead. it really is
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I would like cyber punk or shadow run setting , even warhammer 40k mmo looks great .
Just i have the feeling back in my head , the 40k will fail .... even if i would love it to succeed .
Too much balancing and too little fun factor .
I dont really consider Steampunk SF.
SF is when there is a possibility it could exist. Steampunk certainly cant.
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I would like to see a fantasy cyberpunk like in warhammer 40k, I dont like exaggerated steampunk
Im not putting much faith in the 40k mmo lately
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