My Facts and Arguments

Andorhal

Alright, I've been going through some of the arguments in the various threads around these forums and I think its time for my opinion, along with some fact. I apologise if people think im comparing it to WoW to much, but its really the de-facto mmo atm.

First, I hear people complaining about the game being buggy or broken. WoW, as just one example, was horrid at launch, fact of the matter is, no game will come out bug free. All MMOs and games in general require tweaking past release.

To people complaining about the lack of skill slots. As an experienced raided in the WoW territory from BC to Wrath, you only ever end up using three or four at the most skills per fight, or atleast 3 or 4 in your rotations. You never truly need more than 6 or so quickbar slots, those are mainly for convience for non-combat activities. 

To people complaining about the lack of content. Refer to my first point again. Lets face it, vanilla questing sucked in WoW, none wants quests like that (why else would they revamp it?). DCUO has some excellent voice acting, and a LOT of it, and the combat system makes every quest fun. Plus, it does take some time to make the huge cities that SOE has, and they look pretty damned good.

Feel free to make your points if youd like, try not to fanboy. Just because WoW has millions of players, doesnt mean its god. 

iller

EZ PZ!  ...b/c Only 1 point is needed here:

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THIS WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING PLAYED LIKE WOW

cartoon art styles or not...  Warcraft started as an RTS.   When I make a flash-clone, he shouldn't play slower than a level 3 Footman in shield stance

Burntvet

I guess the point of the OP, is that if you are willing to play a broken, buggy and content-light game, play at launch. Otherwise, wait.

Somehow, that doesn't strike me as a difficult choice.

And another thing, yes WoW had bugs and things that didn't work at launch, but that was 7 YEARS AGO. The MMO market was different then, customers are rightly less willing to buy crappy/incomplete MMOs anymore, that a company may or may not fix later (see STO and FFXIV) these days. Customers and markets change over time.

If this game does release in an (functionally and content-wise) incomplete state, I hope it tanks out of the gate like those other games, it is the only way developers will get the message.

 

iller

No, his point was that everyone expects the next WoW but WoW wasn't all it's cracked up to be when it launched either. Yeah we get that.   But the problem with that is that he's comparing what should have been 2 completely different sub-genres that also played completely differently from eachother while operating on 2 completely different combat systems, net code, and game engines.    which was the case over 2 months ago.

 

Just like this game, his reasoning is murky and trivial

erictlewis

We are talking about SOE here lol, and they are never fast to fix anything, ever.  In fact they are usually slow and takes months and years to fix bugs thatt they know about.

Second content light even I have to say that least, and that means when you reach level cap all that is left is grind or pvp.

Now lets talk about voice over for a few.  Have any of you talked to supergirlin watchtower. Last I checked she's super girl but sounds like robin when you talk to her.  There are a lot of femail npc's that have mail voice overs.

Oh well there thats my thoughts.

woodnone

Sadly I don't think there is a game on the market that is bug free. Several get close and only with the practice of time and patience. Reworking and adjusting code isn't always as simple as we would have it be, so very often a change is made that has unintended consequence  for another area of the game.

 

I may be inferring meaning here but what I think the OP just wanted to state the game is fun and in infancy and should be looked upon with that in mind. Comparing it to any game with a rose colored memory isn't really fair and holding up to the standards of games that have been out for several years is not really fair. I do agree with both of those statements.

 

That said, I also agree that game companies have more to bring to the plate now due to the ever growing and changing game climate. In the same ways that we as people expect more form movies, technology, and pretty much everything else we deal with we also expect more from a game launch.

comerb

Originally posted by Andorhal

Alright, I've been going through some of the arguments in the various threads around these forums and I think its time for my opinion, along with some fact. I apologise if people think im comparing it to WoW to much, but its really the de-facto mmo atm.

First, I hear people complaining about the game being buggy or broken. WoW, as just one example, was horrid at launch, fact of the matter is, no game will come out bug free. All MMOs and games in general require tweaking past release.

To people complaining about the lack of skill slots. As an experienced raided in the WoW territory from BC to Wrath, you only ever end up using three or four at the most skills per fight, or atleast 3 or 4 in your rotations. You never truly need more than 6 or so quickbar slots, those are mainly for convience for non-combat activities. 

To people complaining about the lack of content. Refer to my first point again. Lets face it, vanilla questing sucked in WoW, none wants quests like that (why else would they revamp it?). DCUO has some excellent voice acting, and a LOT of it, and the combat system makes every quest fun. Plus, it does take some time to make the huge cities that SOE has, and they look pretty damned good.

Feel free to make your points if youd like, try not to fanboy. Just because WoW has millions of players, doesnt mean its god. 

If you only used 3-4 abiltiies in WoW raiding, then you were bad at raiding in WoW.  I know you'll probably refute that, and tbh I'm not going to argue with you, cause I can guarentee that your full of crap.  We used to kick raiders like you constantly, and they all thought they were awesomesauce.  Just saying...

You can play you goofball "wow wasn't great when it first released either" arguement, but that doesn't change the fact that WoW was still better than the current competition at that time.  As time goes on, the bar rises.  You are basically arguing that this game won't be worth playing for several years, which is true... but thats not the arugment you were trying to make.

It's kinda like trying to make an arugment about a new sort of media that competes with televisions, but is only in black and white.  And then saying, "well televisions where black and white when they came out".  Yeah... good luck selling that bad boy.

godzilr1

When WoW came out you only had the 1-10 slots on your action bar, and it sucked.  It was such a hard thing to use people starting using 3rd party UI's to get the slots they needed for power/skills/items, SOE said they will not open DCUO for that.  So here we are....15 power points to spend and only 6 to use.  I can understand why...when you make an MMO for the PS3 and it's limited button sets, you dont want to be responsible for fixing the emulator you sold to PC users for it to run on.

My problem with the power are 2.  I only have 4 sets and 6 slots to use.  If i have 15 power points to spend then i want to be able to use any one of the powers i have purchased at any time.  If fast paced action is what you are selling, then i cant stop fighting, load a different set of powers and go back to fightning in any ussable space of time to make it worth while.  I don't care that GW was successful with the same model of only 8 powers....i do not like to be limited to using only X number of my powers when i have a collected a pool of Y,  it's makes the powers too narrow in scope and situational.

Toxilium

I read the word "WoW" too many times and ignored anything you wrote.