A dual core and an 8800 GT is not considered high spec anymore. It's DX9 and doesn't even require a DX10 card to run. I'd say by industry standards it's "low tech". There are quite a few people who may not meet the required specs, but most players will probably meet these specs. 8800 GT are fairly inexpensive these days and most people have a dual core processor now.
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A dual core and an 8800 GT is not considered high spec anymore. It's DX9 and doesn't even require a DX10 card to run. I'd say by industry standards it's "low tech". There are quite a few people who may not meet the required specs, but most players will probably meet these specs. 8800 GT are fairly inexpensive these days and most people have a dual core processor now.
I would say by gaming standards your quite correct . I think the golden rule for an mmo is on its low end settings it must look ok ish and run well on a machine thats two to three years old with similar specs to what you mention there . My PC has a 9800 gt 1gb gfx card 4 gb ram and a dual core 2.8 .As I've said it runs most games pretty well but not Rift ( in the beta) . Its not the best gaming system but it serves me well enough on the majority of games so I dont see the point in upgrading just yet . Before anyone asks yes I do update the drivers regulary .Thats what makes me suprised that someone with an 8800 could run it well in Rifts or PvP on lower settings although it would be fine for just questing and less intense parts of the game after the experiance I had . I've seen the specs for Rift online they do say it can be run these requirements . :S maybe it is the beta after all . I'll still hang fire untill I see it on offer or theres a free trial to make sure though I think .
Minimum System Specification
Operating system: Windows XP, Vista or 7
Processor: Dual Core 2.0 GHz or better
Memory: 2 GB
Hard disk space: 8.0 GB available
Video: Nvidia GeForce FX 5900, ATI/AMD Radeon X300, Intel GMA X4500 or better.
The fact is PC gaming hasn't been pushing the enevelope in years. You can have a computer 4 years old and still run everything on the market.
The only MMO I can think of that tried to do that was AoC and it definitely suffered because of it. That wasn't the only problem with the game but probably the biggest one that people don't bring up.
Now if you haven't bought a computer in the last 5 years I can see it maybe being a problem.
in beta i put all the options on max and was running 17 fps with massive invasions but its not needed to go that high but 10 rifts and roughly 50 or so players and still 17 fps with a pc that runs wow at max with 37 fps im impressed since theres not that many people in the areas i go to in wow...
in beta i put all the options on max and was running 17 fps with massive invasions but its not needed to go that high but 10 rifts and roughly 50 or so players and still 17 fps with a pc that runs wow at max with 37 fps im impressed since theres not that many people in the areas i go to in wow...
Again the question is what sort of PC were you running it on . I'm quite aware theres a lot of people in this thread that want this game to be popular . I do too but making wild claims that it can run better than it does so people go out and buy it in its first month only to be disapointed wont help it in its second . I was in the beta and I saw how many peoples machines could'nt handle it because of what was being talked about in chat on day one and those that had machines that could voiced concerns that the kinds of requirements to run it would have an effect on subscriber numbers .
I'm betting you PC is at least a quad core , pretty good gfx card and 8gb ram . Because I know for a fact you would'nt be able to run it at anything less smoothly of maxed out settings .
in beta i put all the options on max and was running 17 fps with massive invasions but its not needed to go that high but 10 rifts and roughly 50 or so players and still 17 fps with a pc that runs wow at max with 37 fps im impressed since theres not that many people in the areas i go to in wow...
Again the question is what sort of PC were you running it on . I'm quite aware theres a lot of people in this thread that want this game to be popular . I do too but making wild claims that it can run better than it does so people go out and buy it in its first month only to be disapointed wont help it in its second . I was in the beta and I saw how many peoples machines could'nt handle it because of what was being talked about in chat on day one and those that had machines that could voiced concerns that the kinds of requirements to run it would have an effect on subscriber numbers .
I'm betting you PC is at least a quad core , pretty good gfx card and 8gb ram . Because I know for a fact you would'nt be able to run it at anything less smoothly of maxed out settings .
I have a computer that I bought 3 years ago for AoC. It ran Rifts fine.
It's a duo core with 4 gigs of memory. The only thing that has been upgraded is my graphics card because the old one died. So I got a new one cause I took out a 3 year warranty on my system.(Which everyone that buys a new system should get if available in your area.)
It was just under top of the line gaming system when I bought it. So all the parts were just a model or two under what was top of the line at the time to save around 1000 on the whole system.
If the high specs keep the whining brats with crappy computers (cuz their parents won't by them a hardcore game rig) stranded in World of Warcraft, I am ok with that!
I love WoW, but its low system-specs let just about every 13 year old gamer on their Parents Commodore 64 into the genre.
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I ran it with a Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz, 4 gigs ram and an ati 4870 and kept it at high with around 30+ fps in very crowded areas. This is a 2 year old computer and I was fine, not sure what you mean by high system reqs.
I feel having vastly accessible system requirements is more important for F2P games.
People playing P2P's have disposible income every month and should be able to upgrade periodically aswell, whereas F2P pretty much need to get as many people in as possible to survive off of a large ammount of smaller occasional purchases, so ease of access to their game is very important.
Most F2P'ers do not have the luxury to upgrade their PC's or pay that box price and the steady $10+ every month for something they may not even enjoy enough down the road to justify a minimum investment of about $60, but they can afford the occasional $2-20+ purchases every other month. With that in mind I think the flexible specs is the key to F2P games and shouldn't impact any P2P's in the same way at all, if anything lower requirements on a P2P would kind of be a downfall for a new game if you're going try to attract the monthly payment crowd, it would probably turn more of the steady paying customers away from a new ip than not.
I ran this game on 4 gigs of ddr 2, an old core 2 quad and a GTX260 on ultra with no lag, you can build a better PC than that for cheap, I am also able to run this game in between low and medium on my laptop which just has a core I5, 4 gig of ddr3 and a built in intel video card. This laptop cost me 600 bucks, so I'm sure someone with those specs on a desktop will pay even less.
If you cant save up a little money to upgrade then don't complain.
Originally posted by OkhamsRazor Originally posted by mrbbman A dual core and an 8800 GT is not considered high spec anymore. It's DX9 and doesn't even require a DX10 card to run. I'd say by industry standards it's "low tech". There are quite a few people who may not meet the required specs, but most players will probably meet these specs. 8800 GT are fairly inexpensive these days and most people have a dual core processor now.
I would say by gaming standards your quite correct . I think the golden rule for an mmo is on its low end settings it must look ok ish and run well on a machine thats two to three years old with similar specs to what you mention there . My PC has a 9800 gt 1gb gfx card 4 gb ram and a dual core 2.8 .As I've said it runs most games pretty well but not Rift ( in the beta) . Its not the best gaming system but it serves me well enough on the majority of games so I dont see the point in upgrading just yet . Before anyone asks yes I do update the drivers regulary .Thats what makes me suprised that someone with an 8800 could run it well in Rifts or PvP on lower settings although it would be fine for just questing and less intense parts of the game after the experiance I had . I've seen the specs for Rift online they do say it can be run these requirements . :S maybe it is the beta after all . I'll still hang fire untill I see it on offer or theres a free trial to make sure though I think .
Minimum System Specification Operating system: Windows XP, Vista or 7 Processor: Dual Core 2.0 GHz or better Memory: 2 GB Hard disk space: 8.0 GB available Video: Nvidia GeForce FX 5900, ATI/AMD Radeon X300, Intel GMA X4500 or better. Sound: DirectX 8.1 compliant card DirectX®: 9.0c, June 2010 update
I was wondering what the older nVidia cards were running. I have 2x 250 and a 9850 quad and I can run in ultra. My wife has a nice ATi 5750 and it is running the game fine with the new drivers (won't downgrade until we have issues) at 2048 x 1152. I think the quad core is the key here. MMOs can be processor intensive. The older quad cores go for cheap now adays. Mine is fairly old.
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Actually I'm coming to the same conclusion . It does indeed appear to be the quad core processors that run it well . The people I know personally playing on a dual while they certainly did'nt find it unplayable found it unenjoyable because of the problems they faced . So my feeling is Rift is a very good game and certainly the strongest mmo I've seen in a long time but maybe like EQ2 its maybe overshot the mark to truely be the next huge mmo . You have to catch that zeitgeist in that it needs to play well on a computer that was mid range 2-3 years ago on medium to low settings . What Rift appears to do at least in the beta is have an inconsitant performance on such PCS .BUT remember this is a beta so this may differ on release . The thing you have to way up is do you have 50 dollars to waste if it does'nt . Another reason I think even a brief free trial (even a 48 hour one )would be a very good thing in the first quarter after release of the game so people can see how it works on thier machine . I've a really nasty feeling if the release performance does'nt improve from the beta theres going to be an awful lot of angry people in these forums .
I think i normally run around 30 fps when I'm out on my lonely with a old 2.4ghz e6600 and gtx260. Any event or people around and it drops to 10 fps. This is on medium settings at 1680x1050.
It's very cpu intensive as far as I can tell.
I definitely think it could be optimized a bit more. The great thing about MMOs is you can >30 and still be "playable"
Perhaps you might want to check your system:) The only difference is that I have Phenom cpu instead of yours and I run it around 30 and 15 in more crowded areas but on ultra settings:) Just for a note it's Phenom 9550.
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A dual core and an 8800 GT is not considered high spec anymore. It's DX9 and doesn't even require a DX10 card to run. I'd say by industry standards it's "low tech". There are quite a few people who may not meet the required specs, but most players will probably meet these specs. 8800 GT are fairly inexpensive these days and most people have a dual core processor now.
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Follower Of Silvanus
Kings of Chaos! Free to play! Great PvP!
I would say by gaming standards your quite correct . I think the golden rule for an mmo is on its low end settings it must look ok ish and run well on a machine thats two to three years old with similar specs to what you mention there . My PC has a 9800 gt 1gb gfx card 4 gb ram and a dual core 2.8 .As I've said it runs most games pretty well but not Rift ( in the beta) . Its not the best gaming system but it serves me well enough on the majority of games so I dont see the point in upgrading just yet . Before anyone asks yes I do update the drivers regulary
.Thats what makes me suprised that someone with an 8800 could run it well in Rifts or PvP on lower settings although it would be fine for just questing and less intense parts of the game after the experiance I had . I've seen the specs for Rift online they do say it can be run these requirements . :S maybe it is the beta after all . I'll still hang fire untill I see it on offer or theres a free trial to make sure though I think .
Minimum System Specification
Operating system: Windows XP, Vista or 7
Processor: Dual Core 2.0 GHz or better
Memory: 2 GB
Hard disk space: 8.0 GB available
Video: Nvidia GeForce FX 5900, ATI/AMD Radeon X300, Intel GMA X4500 or better.
Sound: DirectX 8.1 compliant card
DirectX®: 9.0c, June 2010 update
The fact is PC gaming hasn't been pushing the enevelope in years. You can have a computer 4 years old and still run everything on the market.
The only MMO I can think of that tried to do that was AoC and it definitely suffered because of it. That wasn't the only problem with the game but probably the biggest one that people don't bring up.
Now if you haven't bought a computer in the last 5 years I can see it maybe being a problem.
in beta i put all the options on max and was running 17 fps with massive invasions but its not needed to go that high but 10 rifts and roughly 50 or so players and still 17 fps with a pc that runs wow at max with 37 fps im impressed since theres not that many people in the areas i go to in wow...
Again the question is what sort of PC were you running it on . I'm quite aware theres a lot of people in this thread that want this game to be popular . I do too but making wild claims that it can run better than it does so people go out and buy it in its first month only to be disapointed wont help it in its second . I was in the beta and I saw how many peoples machines could'nt handle it because of what was being talked about in chat on day one and those that had machines that could voiced concerns that the kinds of requirements to run it would have an effect on subscriber numbers .
I'm betting you PC is at least a quad core , pretty good gfx card and 8gb ram . Because I know for a fact you would'nt be able to run it at anything less smoothly of maxed out settings .
I have a computer that I bought 3 years ago for AoC. It ran Rifts fine.
It's a duo core with 4 gigs of memory. The only thing that has been upgraded is my graphics card because the old one died. So I got a new one cause I took out a 3 year warranty on my system.(Which everyone that buys a new system should get if available in your area.)
It was just under top of the line gaming system when I bought it. So all the parts were just a model or two under what was top of the line at the time to save around 1000 on the whole system.
If the high specs keep the whining brats with crappy computers (cuz their parents won't by them a hardcore game rig) stranded in World of Warcraft, I am ok with that!
I love WoW, but its low system-specs let just about every 13 year old gamer on their Parents Commodore 64 into the genre.
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
This game with 25-30fps runs as good as WoW with 60fps. I am not sure why that is, but it is the case for me anyway.
Oops...good point Spankybus.
I should have read yours before I posted mine...nothing to see here folks...move along.
High specs required to run it ??
Are you joking me, I have a Intel GMA 4500HD on my laptop and I can play this game fine on low settings. Get things straight.
I ran it with a Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz, 4 gigs ram and an ati 4870 and kept it at high with around 30+ fps in very crowded areas. This is a 2 year old computer and I was fine, not sure what you mean by high system reqs.
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I did not know that a Duel core means you have a high spec game.
Im cool with high specs in mmo's
If you have high specs in you mmo it will keep most of the Bad WoW player out of the MMo. Im very cool with that.
I also am not cheap and buy a PC that can handle most MMos
next gen games need next gen pc's
put up or shut up
AMD Athalon II X2 240
2gigs of ram
8600 GT.
Built this PC for under 250$ and it runs rift at 30-50 FPS and it still looks great. System requirements are fairly low IMO.
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I feel having vastly accessible system requirements is more important for F2P games.
People playing P2P's have disposible income every month and should be able to upgrade periodically aswell, whereas F2P pretty much need to get as many people in as possible to survive off of a large ammount of smaller occasional purchases, so ease of access to their game is very important.
Most F2P'ers do not have the luxury to upgrade their PC's or pay that box price and the steady $10+ every month for something they may not even enjoy enough down the road to justify a minimum investment of about $60, but they can afford the occasional $2-20+ purchases every other month. With that in mind I think the flexible specs is the key to F2P games and shouldn't impact any P2P's in the same way at all, if anything lower requirements on a P2P would kind of be a downfall for a new game if you're going try to attract the monthly payment crowd, it would probably turn more of the steady paying customers away from a new ip than not.
I ran this game on 4 gigs of ddr 2, an old core 2 quad and a GTX260 on ultra with no lag, you can build a better PC than that for cheap, I am also able to run this game in between low and medium on my laptop which just has a core I5, 4 gig of ddr3 and a built in intel video card. This laptop cost me 600 bucks, so I'm sure someone with those specs on a desktop will pay even less.
If you cant save up a little money to upgrade then don't complain.
Minimum System Specification
Operating system: Windows XP, Vista or 7
Processor: Dual Core 2.0 GHz or better
Memory: 2 GB
Hard disk space: 8.0 GB available
Video: Nvidia GeForce FX 5900, ATI/AMD Radeon X300, Intel GMA X4500 or better.
Sound: DirectX 8.1 compliant card
DirectX®: 9.0c, June 2010 update
I was wondering what the older nVidia cards were running. I have 2x 250 and a 9850 quad and I can run in ultra. My wife has a nice ATi 5750 and it is running the game fine with the new drivers (won't downgrade until we have issues) at 2048 x 1152. I think the quad core is the key here. MMOs can be processor intensive. The older quad cores go for cheap now adays. Mine is fairly old.
True Neutral Half-Elf Ranger Mage
Follower Of Silvanus
Kings of Chaos! Free to play! Great PvP!
Actually I'm coming to the same conclusion . It does indeed appear to be the quad core processors that run it well . The people I know personally playing on a dual while they certainly did'nt find it unplayable found it unenjoyable because of the problems they faced . So my feeling is Rift is a very good game and certainly the strongest mmo I've seen in a long time but maybe like EQ2 its maybe overshot the mark to truely be the next huge mmo . You have to catch that zeitgeist in that it needs to play well on a computer that was mid range 2-3 years ago on medium to low settings . What Rift appears to do at least in the beta is have an inconsitant performance on such PCS .BUT remember this is a beta so this may differ on release . The thing you have to way up is do you have 50 dollars to waste if it does'nt . Another reason I think even a brief free trial (even a 48 hour one )would be a very good thing in the first quarter after release of the game so people can see how it works on thier machine . I've a really nasty feeling if the release performance does'nt improve from the beta theres going to be an awful lot of angry people in these forums .
Perhaps you might want to check your system:) The only difference is that I have Phenom cpu instead of yours and I run it around 30 and 15 in more crowded areas but on ultra settings:) Just for a note it's Phenom 9550.