AoC combat is one of the best things in AoC , it makes you constantly on the edge since there is no auto attacks and the likes, and the combos are good even thou they are somewhat simple, it still forces you to pay attention to more than your health ...
And I'm certain that Age of Conans combat has nothing to do with the popularity of the game at all, that was other things that can be blamed for..rushed release mostly.
Rift combat, even thou i personally only seen it in the lower levels is..well nothing new at all, it's even worse than some of the games that has the same combat..AION for example or WoW etc ..
Next Gen is a meaningless term which seems to get a lot of players knickers in a twist.
Yes ... and I hope, for the love of God, people stop using it from now on.
Next gen is widely used by Rift detractors for some reason. Neither the fans nor the devs really used it.
Now it's just annoyingly overused.
They use that term due to the flexibility of the soul system, the dynamic nature of rifts that scale to zone population and evolve over time. Those features are unique. I honestly wish they would stop calling it next Gen. I mean a couple sweet features tossed on a bunch of classic super refined ones doesn't make your game innovative or next Gen overal. It makes it polished, well executed and for people that enjoy those features it's a good game.
If they balance out the current combat and continue to make it smoother and more pleasing to the eye, they'll have a good system in their hands, you simply shouldn't be expecting twitch style combat here.
"Next Gen" is also so overused in these forums, while that is actually a term used for games that run on the next best hardware, not for gameplay dynamics.
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AoC combat is one of the best things in AoC , it makes you constantly on the edge since there is no auto attacks and the likes, and the combos are good even thou they are somewhat simple, it still forces you to pay attention to more than your health ...
And I'm certain that Age of Conans combat has nothing to do with the popularity of the game at all, that was other things that can be blamed for..rushed release mostly.
Rift combat, even thou i personally only seen it in the lower levels is..well nothing new at all, it's even worse than some of the games that has the same combat..AION for example or WoW etc ..
Worse in what way? Because you had few abilities? Or any other reason?
For me the amount of abilities at level 10 Aion or Rift is not much different at all. It's been years since I played WoW at low level so my memory is cloudy, but I doubt it had more either.
The combat system in this game is no different then the original Everquest....
I want to see the 40 foot tall boss slam the ground and send everyone flying backwards (Instead of just falling down where they stand), I want to see a Boss pick up a player and throw him across the screen,...
Just some notes...this combat doesn't remind me of EQ at all...if anything it is EQ2 / WoW era.
Bosses in the original EQ do that (well..post expansions) - you'd think it'd be here in 2011 games.
Originally posted by Wizardryto tell the truth i got deja Vu of playing Baldur's gate with larger models,however BG was much better lighted and a lot easier on my eyes.The best selling point of this game is the RIFTS,but it couldn't keep my interest long enough to actually test the Rift combat,very dissappointed .
Oh come on.
You are either trolling big time (and I hate saying that to people), making drama for drama's sake or have the worst computer/video card around.
There is nothing even reminiscent of Baldur's Gate graphics.
If you don't like the game you dont' like the game, tha'ts more than fair. But making such statements that are clearly overexagerations doesn't really lend creedence to your arguments.
Not to mention the first rift is only about half an hour in lol
I am in doubt that the people who will eventually play this game has any concern on what generation the combat is. They will not look past whether it works or is fun. I really do not care and I suspect most of the Rift preorders and players do either. I am definitely not going around saying I am playing this game for its next generation combat since it never even factored in for me.
Other things like the rifts and souls were my consideration.
Yeah, they definitely have described it as Next Gen.
Also, that video always makes me cringe. I feel like I'm watching an infomercial at 2AM on some random cable channel... the whole "testimonials from real people" thing just feels cheesy and contrived to me. -shrug-
If the dynamic nature of their rift system truly is as powerful and truly that much beyond anything that we've seen to date in other MMOs, then I think for that element, it could be considered "next gen" by the definition they give it (advancing the genre the day it releases).
Mostly, though, "next gen" is just a handy buzz-word that sounds good, but ultimately means very little. A game can be as next-gen as they come, and still be crap.
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AoC combat is one of the best things in AoC , it makes you constantly on the edge since there is no auto attacks and the likes, and the combos are good even thou they are somewhat simple, it still forces you to pay attention to more than your health ...
And I'm certain that Age of Conans combat has nothing to do with the popularity of the game at all, that was other things that can be blamed for..rushed release mostly.
Rift combat, even thou i personally only seen it in the lower levels is..well nothing new at all, it's even worse than some of the games that has the same combat..AION for example or WoW etc ..
Worse in what way? Because you had few abilities? Or any other reason?
For me the amount of abilities at level 10 Aion or Rift is not much different at all. It's been years since I played WoW at low level so my memory is cloudy, but I doubt it had more either.
Worse in the way of it's very stale and stiff animations..othervise it's the same basically..
"RIFT is the complete next generation in online gaming" - direct quote.
This is a flat out lie people. It's nothing more than the belching out of buzzwords that are meant to get attention. There is no substance to this claim whatsoever.
I liked the RIFT beta, but if they are trying to sell it as next-gen, I'm not buying.
The combat is garbage. Sorry, but it's horrible. The character models/creation tool are even worse.
"RIFT is the complete next generation in online gaming" - direct quote.
This is a flat out lie people. It's nothing more than the belching out of buzzwords that are meant to get attention. There is no substance to this claim whatsoever.
I liked the RIFT beta, but if they are trying to sell it as next-gen, I'm not buying.
The combat is garbage. Sorry, but it's horrible. The character models/creation tool are even worse.
These overblown promises are getting very old.
Not getting into the whole "next gen" histeria, because its nothing more then that ... a stupid blown out of proportion gimic for the haters.
But please explain this to me.
First you say: I liked the RIFT beta...
But then you go on you won't buy the game because of the "next gen" thing.
Beta 5 has been improved for sure but the core game remains the same.
Characters do not have a slim line art as tera has or wow.
Character models look fatty.
The lightning effects of the game seem to be out of space and make the game not to be seen clear.
Character movement is a trash walking like a bored warrior.
Combat is worse than wow.
Sound effects and music is nothing special.(while wow's music is superb)
When i hit a monster i dont get the feeling of hitting it.
Spells are casted from staffs or weapons instead from hands(which i dont like)
When u advance in lvl or when u complete a quest the whole screen flashes to show you that you have advance(which is very annoying and shows how uncareful the devs are).
The color pallete the game uses consists of colours that dont appeal to me.
Do u want more reasons for not buying this game.
I may have more dislikes about this game but thats what i had in mind for now.
The only think that matters is the soul system that allows u to have many combinations.But the soul system alone cant save the game.
Should i make the leap of faith to earth rise as some other users said.
With so many fail games that come out im afraid of buying a game before i test it.
The game is not revolutionary on the combat side, whether or not some developer said it would be. The Game however has very unique concepts with the entire planar invation, soul system. But i do agree character creation is very weak and it was not a focal point.
I preordered it because i enjoy the game play, It combines elements from world of warcraft, eq2 (not eq1), Warhammer, and some LOTRO. The public questing system is still one of my fav things about warhammer and now rifts.
"RIFT is the complete next generation in online gaming" - direct quote.
This is a flat out lie people. It's nothing more than the belching out of buzzwords that are meant to get attention. There is no substance to this claim whatsoever.
I liked the RIFT beta, but if they are trying to sell it as next-gen, I'm not buying.
The combat is garbage. Sorry, but it's horrible. The character models/creation tool are even worse.
These overblown promises are getting very old.
I personally think you are too focused on what a marketing department says about the game. I find it interesting you liked the beta but do not want o buy it because of some words chosen carefully by a marketing department. Saying a new MMO is next gen is like saying every new TV show is the "season's top rated new show". Marketers twists numbers and statistics to show what they want and to say what they want.
If you like the game, then play it. If not, then don't. Just don't get so focused on "next gen" that it clouds any enjoyment you might be having.
It's not a bad game, but it's not next gen. I'm not buying it as a 'next-gen game' to clarify. I'm not even sure if I'm going to buy it as a current generation game. It's way to early to tell.
"RIFT is the complete next generation in online gaming" - direct quote. This is a flat out lie people. It's nothing more than the belching out of buzzwords that are meant to get attention. There is no substance to this claim whatsoever. I liked the RIFT beta, but if they are trying to sell it as next-gen, I'm not buying. The combat is garbage. Sorry, but it's horrible. The character models/creation tool are even worse. These overblown promises are getting very old.
I personally think you are too focused on what a marketing department says about the game. I find it interesting you liked the beta but do not want o buy it because of some words chosen carefully by a marketing department. Saying a new MMO is next gen is like saying every new TV show is the "season's top rated new show". Marketers twists numbers and statistics to show what they want and to say what they want.
If you like the game, then play it. If not, then don't. Just don't get so focused on "next gen" that it clouds any enjoyment you might be having.
Whats the type of combat 95% of mmorpg players love all over the world? yep its the best there is, the old everquest, wow, warhammer etc etc etc combat.
are you Fing kidding me? Darkfall is the ONLY game right now with next gen combat, sure DC has diff combat too, but DF combat is one of the most beautiful things in the mmo right now, no other game can I pick apart an opponent by circling around him, getting distance, firing arrows, etc..
Fallen earth gets close to this, but it's more of an illusion.
are you Fing kidding me? Darkfall is the ONLY game right now with next gen combat, sure DC has diff combat too, but DF combat is one of the most beautiful things in the mmo right now, no other game can I pick apart an opponent by circling around him, getting distance, firing arrows, etc..
Fallen earth gets close to this, but it's more of an illusion.
and AOC, sheeze...
It's good to know that you consider bunny hoppin next gen fighting. Cause that's CLEARLY what I think when running across a battlefield. If I keep hopping up and down, they can't hit me! What suckers!
Beta 5 has been improved for sure but the core game remains the same.
Characters do not have a slim line art as tera has or wow.
Character models look fatty.
The lightning effects of the game seem to be out of space and make the game not to be seen clear.
Character movement is a trash walking like a bored warrior.
Combat is worse than wow.
Sound effects and music is nothing special.(while wow's music is superb)
When i hit a monster i dont get the feeling of hitting it.
Spells are casted from staffs or weapons instead from hands(which i dont like)
When u advance in lvl or when u complete a quest the whole screen flashes to show you that you have advance(which is very annoying and shows how uncareful the devs are).
The color pallete the game uses consists of colours that dont appeal to me.
Do u want more reasons for not buying this game.
I may have more dislikes about this game but thats what i had in mind for now.
The only think that matters is the soul system that allows u to have many combinations.But the soul system alone cant save the game.
Should i make the leap of faith to earth rise as some other users said.
With so many fail games that come out im afraid of buying a game before i test it.
Your post reminds me of a joke I heard once...
A few women out for lunch one day walk past a business that offers to help women meet the perfect husband. As a lark, they decide to go in and check it out.
Upon entry a man greets them and offers to show the women what choices they have.
"On this floor, we have men that are kind, funny and good looking." The women look around impressed by what they see.
"What about the next floor? One of the women asks.
They all crowd into the elevator and travel up to the next floor.
"On this floor we have men that are kind, funny, good looking and always helpful around the house and never forgetful."
The women espouse many ooohs and ahhhs at the wide selection of perfect men.
"Wow, this is great!" one woman says. "What about the next floor?"
They all go to the next floor.
"On this floor, we have men that are kind, funny, good looking, always helpful, never forgetful, strong, honest and absolutly filthy stinking rich."
The women all babble excitedly, not believing how many perfect men inhabit the floor.
"Unbelievable!'' one woman says. "I can't wait to see what is on the next floor!"
Their host raises an eyebrow at the woman and proceeds to lead them up to the next floor.
The elevator doors open into a while empty room.
"I don't understand? Where are the men?" Asks one of the women.
"Oh there are no men on this floor". The host replied. "We just keep this empty as proof that it's impossible to please a fucking woman.
Seriously, I don't think any game in exsistance is going to meet your standards.
Originally posted by Ikeda Originally posted by pixeldogmeat
are you Fing kidding me? Darkfall is the ONLY game right now with next gen combat, sure DC has diff combat too, but DF combat is one of the most beautiful things in the mmo right now, no other game can I pick apart an opponent by circling around him, getting distance, firing arrows, etc.. Fallen earth gets close to this, but it's more of an illusion. and AOC, sheeze... It's good to know that you consider bunny hoppin next gen fighting. Cause that's CLEARLY what I think when running across a battlefield. If I keep hopping up and down, they can't hit me! What suckers!
bunny hopping? really? Obvious you haven't played past goblin camps in DF.
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Yeah, sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldI3ypm1gHg
AoC combat is one of the best things in AoC , it makes you constantly on the edge since there is no auto attacks and the likes, and the combos are good even thou they are somewhat simple, it still forces you to pay attention to more than your health ...
And I'm certain that Age of Conans combat has nothing to do with the popularity of the game at all, that was other things that can be blamed for..rushed release mostly.
Rift combat, even thou i personally only seen it in the lower levels is..well nothing new at all, it's even worse than some of the games that has the same combat..AION for example or WoW etc ..
Yes ... and I hope, for the love of God, people stop using it from now on.
Next gen is widely used by Rift detractors for some reason. Neither the fans nor the devs really used it.
Now it's just annoyingly overused.
They use that term due to the flexibility of the soul system, the dynamic nature of rifts that scale to zone population and evolve over time. Those features are unique. I honestly wish they would stop calling it next Gen. I mean a couple sweet features tossed on a bunch of classic super refined ones doesn't make your game innovative or next Gen overal. It makes it polished, well executed and for people that enjoy those features it's a good game.Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
It sure ain't, question is whether it should be.
If they balance out the current combat and continue to make it smoother and more pleasing to the eye, they'll have a good system in their hands, you simply shouldn't be expecting twitch style combat here.
"Next Gen" is also so overused in these forums, while that is actually a term used for games that run on the next best hardware, not for gameplay dynamics.
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Worse in what way? Because you had few abilities? Or any other reason?
For me the amount of abilities at level 10 Aion or Rift is not much different at all. It's been years since I played WoW at low level so my memory is cloudy, but I doubt it had more either.
Just some notes...this combat doesn't remind me of EQ at all...if anything it is EQ2 / WoW era.
Bosses in the original EQ do that (well..post expansions) - you'd think it'd be here in 2011 games.
So one video posted 2 months ago. Against 3 threads a day?
Not to mention the first rift is only about half an hour in lol
I am in doubt that the people who will eventually play this game has any concern on what generation the combat is. They will not look past whether it works or is fun. I really do not care and I suspect most of the Rift preorders and players do either. I am definitely not going around saying I am playing this game for its next generation combat since it never even factored in for me.
Other things like the rifts and souls were my consideration.
Yeah, they definitely have described it as Next Gen.
Also, that video always makes me cringe. I feel like I'm watching an infomercial at 2AM on some random cable channel... the whole "testimonials from real people" thing just feels cheesy and contrived to me. -shrug-
If the dynamic nature of their rift system truly is as powerful and truly that much beyond anything that we've seen to date in other MMOs, then I think for that element, it could be considered "next gen" by the definition they give it (advancing the genre the day it releases).
Mostly, though, "next gen" is just a handy buzz-word that sounds good, but ultimately means very little. A game can be as next-gen as they come, and still be crap.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Worse in the way of it's very stale and stiff animations..othervise it's the same basically..
"RIFT is the complete next generation in online gaming" - direct quote.
This is a flat out lie people. It's nothing more than the belching out of buzzwords that are meant to get attention. There is no substance to this claim whatsoever.
I liked the RIFT beta, but if they are trying to sell it as next-gen, I'm not buying.
The combat is garbage. Sorry, but it's horrible. The character models/creation tool are even worse.
These overblown promises are getting very old.
Not getting into the whole "next gen" histeria, because its nothing more then that ... a stupid blown out of proportion gimic for the haters.
But please explain this to me.
First you say: I liked the RIFT beta...
But then you go on you won't buy the game because of the "next gen" thing.
You must be joking, right?
I gave it a last chance in beta 5.
Beta 5 has been improved for sure but the core game remains the same.
Characters do not have a slim line art as tera has or wow.
Character models look fatty.
The lightning effects of the game seem to be out of space and make the game not to be seen clear.
Character movement is a trash walking like a bored warrior.
Combat is worse than wow.
Sound effects and music is nothing special.(while wow's music is superb)
When i hit a monster i dont get the feeling of hitting it.
Spells are casted from staffs or weapons instead from hands(which i dont like)
When u advance in lvl or when u complete a quest the whole screen flashes to show you that you have advance(which is very annoying and shows how uncareful the devs are).
The color pallete the game uses consists of colours that dont appeal to me.
Do u want more reasons for not buying this game.
I may have more dislikes about this game but thats what i had in mind for now.
The only think that matters is the soul system that allows u to have many combinations.But the soul system alone cant save the game.
Should i make the leap of faith to earth rise as some other users said.
With so many fail games that come out im afraid of buying a game before i test it.
The game is not revolutionary on the combat side, whether or not some developer said it would be. The Game however has very unique concepts with the entire planar invation, soul system. But i do agree character creation is very weak and it was not a focal point.
I preordered it because i enjoy the game play, It combines elements from world of warcraft, eq2 (not eq1), Warhammer, and some LOTRO. The public questing system is still one of my fav things about warhammer and now rifts.
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I just posted a little video to compare combat between RIFT and Aion. I'm not saying which is a better game...games are more than combat for sure!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uLdcWyB32I
You decide. I don't personally see anything in RIFT's combat that is next generation at all.
It's not a bad game, but it's not next gen. I'm not buying it as a 'next-gen game' to clarify. I'm not even sure if I'm going to buy it as a current generation game. It's way to early to tell.
I personally think you are too focused on what a marketing department says about the game. I find it interesting you liked the beta but do not want o buy it because of some words chosen carefully by a marketing department. Saying a new MMO is next gen is like saying every new TV show is the "season's top rated new show". Marketers twists numbers and statistics to show what they want and to say what they want.
If you like the game, then play it. If not, then don't. Just don't get so focused on "next gen" that it clouds any enjoyment you might be having.
+1Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
are you Fing kidding me? Darkfall is the ONLY game right now with next gen combat, sure DC has diff combat too, but DF combat is one of the most beautiful things in the mmo right now, no other game can I pick apart an opponent by circling around him, getting distance, firing arrows, etc..
Fallen earth gets close to this, but it's more of an illusion.
and AOC, sheeze...
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It's good to know that you consider bunny hoppin next gen fighting. Cause that's CLEARLY what I think when running across a battlefield. If I keep hopping up and down, they can't hit me! What suckers!
The combat in WoW and Aion is much better than RIFT.
If anything i'd say RIFT is on par with WAR and EQ2.
Also I thought the spell animations in RIFT are kinda meh.
Your post reminds me of a joke I heard once...
A few women out for lunch one day walk past a business that offers to help women meet the perfect husband. As a lark, they decide to go in and check it out.
Upon entry a man greets them and offers to show the women what choices they have.
"On this floor, we have men that are kind, funny and good looking." The women look around impressed by what they see.
"What about the next floor? One of the women asks.
They all crowd into the elevator and travel up to the next floor.
"On this floor we have men that are kind, funny, good looking and always helpful around the house and never forgetful."
The women espouse many ooohs and ahhhs at the wide selection of perfect men.
"Wow, this is great!" one woman says. "What about the next floor?"
They all go to the next floor.
"On this floor, we have men that are kind, funny, good looking, always helpful, never forgetful, strong, honest and absolutly filthy stinking rich."
The women all babble excitedly, not believing how many perfect men inhabit the floor.
"Unbelievable!'' one woman says. "I can't wait to see what is on the next floor!"
Their host raises an eyebrow at the woman and proceeds to lead them up to the next floor.
The elevator doors open into a while empty room.
"I don't understand? Where are the men?" Asks one of the women.
"Oh there are no men on this floor". The host replied. "We just keep this empty as proof that it's impossible to please a fucking woman.
Seriously, I don't think any game in exsistance is going to meet your standards.
Oh... this joke is going in the tell my wife and make her mad book :-)
Fallen earth gets close to this, but it's more of an illusion.
and AOC, sheeze...
It's good to know that you consider bunny hoppin next gen fighting. Cause that's CLEARLY what I think when running across a battlefield. If I keep hopping up and down, they can't hit me! What suckers!
bunny hopping? really? Obvious you haven't played past goblin camps in DF.
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Yeah its not generation but who needs next gen when it works and is fun
.Nuff said