Laser guns?

ShredderSE

Ok, so the game have "robots", electric stuff, machines... so why do they use swords and not laser guns? =P

Yamota

hehe, I was thinking that too. If they have all these machines then for sure they could manufacture a machine gun or cannon to blow away all these mobs instead of using sword, bow and arrow?

Ecabana

There is guns in the game.

EDIT: And cannons. As far as i know, even Sci-fi use swords :P

pmaura

well they do have cannons. but machine guns would never come completly into fashion in this type of world. You may think your all hot with your m60 and bullet proof vest.

 

I summon a demon from hell while raining fire on you from a further distance not just burning you but every one around you and then for good measuere I control the weather as well and initaite endless lightning strikes.

In these types of games, magic would often replace science or limit it. Science would level the playing field to a degree to those that new magic.

But because magic exists it would limit science progression asanything science could do magic already does inclduing healing and brining back from the dead.

Although you could really getinto this debate a lot deeper

Yamota

Originally posted by pmaura

well they do have cannons. but machine guns would never come completly into fashion in this type of world. You may think your all hot with your m60 and bullet proof vest.

 

I summon a demon from hell while raining fire on you from a further distance not just burning you but every one around you and then for good measuere I control the weather as well and initaite endless lightning strikes.

In these types of games, magic would often replace science or limit it. Science would level the playing field to a degree to those that new magic.

But because magic exists it would limit science progression asanything science could do magic already does inclduing healing and brining back from the dead.

Although you could really getinto this debate a lot deeper

Yes you could because to my knowledge there is nothing in magic rivaling an H-bomb or even a cluster bomb that can basically level a mountain.

So for me blending science with magic rarely works, it just makes the world feel surreal.

Ecabana

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by pmaura

well they do have cannons. but machine guns would never come completly into fashion in this type of world. You may think your all hot with your m60 and bullet proof vest.

 

I summon a demon from hell while raining fire on you from a further distance not just burning you but every one around you and then for good measuere I control the weather as well and initaite endless lightning strikes.

In these types of games, magic would often replace science or limit it. Science would level the playing field to a degree to those that new magic.

But because magic exists it would limit science progression asanything science could do magic already does inclduing healing and brining back from the dead.

Although you could really getinto this debate a lot deeper

Yes you could because to my knowledge there is nothing in magic rivaling an H-bomb or even a cluster bomb that can basically level a mountain.

So for me blending science with magic rarely works, it just makes the world feel surreal.

Many real life illusionist or magician combine science and magic to make their show. Luc Langevin as example is a engineer physics, have a master in optical and PhD in Biophotonics. Yet he make his living only with magic shows and use his knowledge in science.

ShredderSE

I just found it a bit wierd. I know it's a game, but why would the people in that world not come up with better weapons if they can make a robocop horse etc? Evolution just died there? "We just made a Terminator! Bring him the AXE!" What?!?

And the monsters are a bit like Aliens. Tentacles in the sky, spawn "gates" around the world. Maybe they even have spaceships I don't know yet.

Tabula Rasa with melee weapons only, or something. Not saying it's a bad game. Just a little bit wierd.

pmaura

you kidding me first off magic has been able to take out mountains, cities and continets all life read your fiction. Look at what they allowed magic to do in cataclysm

Currently advaced magic is creating rifts all over the planet causing demons to pour out . That alone is more powerful then every h bomb

Yamota

Originally posted by Ecabana

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by pmaura

well they do have cannons. but machine guns would never come completly into fashion in this type of world. You may think your all hot with your m60 and bullet proof vest.

 

I summon a demon from hell while raining fire on you from a further distance not just burning you but every one around you and then for good measuere I control the weather as well and initaite endless lightning strikes.

In these types of games, magic would often replace science or limit it. Science would level the playing field to a degree to those that new magic.

But because magic exists it would limit science progression asanything science could do magic already does inclduing healing and brining back from the dead.

Although you could really getinto this debate a lot deeper

Yes you could because to my knowledge there is nothing in magic rivaling an H-bomb or even a cluster bomb that can basically level a mountain.

So for me blending science with magic rarely works, it just makes the world feel surreal.

Many real life illusionist or magician combine science and magic to make their show. Luc Langevin as example is a engineer physics, have a master in optical and PhD in Biophotonics. Yet he make his living only with magic shows and use his knowledge in science.

Uhm, except of course that this magic is only tricks and not the same type of magic as in games?

But I dont see this discussion getting anywhere. Im just saying that for me magic and technology rarely works, atleast I am not aware of a good IP where it has. It is really the same thing so you dont need both, pick either sci-fi or magic, but you dont need both as they dont mix well. Imo ofcourse.

Ecabana

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Ecabana

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by pmaura

well they do have cannons. but machine guns would never come completly into fashion in this type of world. You may think your all hot with your m60 and bullet proof vest.

 

I summon a demon from hell while raining fire on you from a further distance not just burning you but every one around you and then for good measuere I control the weather as well and initaite endless lightning strikes.

In these types of games, magic would often replace science or limit it. Science would level the playing field to a degree to those that new magic.

But because magic exists it would limit science progression asanything science could do magic already does inclduing healing and brining back from the dead.

Although you could really getinto this debate a lot deeper

Yes you could because to my knowledge there is nothing in magic rivaling an H-bomb or even a cluster bomb that can basically level a mountain.

So for me blending science with magic rarely works, it just makes the world feel surreal.

Many real life illusionist or magician combine science and magic to make their show. Luc Langevin as example is a engineer physics, have a master in optical and PhD in Biophotonics. Yet he make his living only with magic shows and use his knowledge in science.

Uhm, except of course that this magic is only tricks and not the same type of magic as in games?

But I dont see this discussion getting anywhere. Im just saying that for me magic and technology rarely works, atleast I am not aware of a good IP where it has. It is really the same thing so you dont need both, pick either sci-fi or magic, but you dont need both as they dont mix well. Imo ofcourse.

I hear ya, I know I went a bit off with my example and yes this discussion is going nowhere Yet, I think that saying magic and science working together is surreal is already surreal since it's magic in a video game so, like you said, at this point it depends on how the IP make it happen. Some will like, some won't.

But in my opinion of course, I liked Shadowrun IP which mix Magic and science. Star Wars at a point is mixing technology and magic. Laser guns, swords, spaceships with the Force (Magic).

pmaura

magic arcanum was an interstin game that blended it. Becuase magic was so powerful they controlled a lot, but not everyone could be a mage so it was in the hands of a few, but as science caught up with the power of magic, magic users started being punished and persecuted.

Science basicly ends up allowing the lay person to due what a magic user can do, there by decreasing there worth.

mCalvert

Look up 'steampunk'. Think hightechnology if the only power source you had was magic and steam. That is the defiants on rift. There will be no laser guns because they havent discovered atoms. Instead its mechanical and bio mechanical. Although there actualy are some laser like devices that focus magical energy into a beam.

Sovrath

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Ecabana

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by pmaura

well they do have cannons. but machine guns would never come completly into fashion in this type of world. You may think your all hot with your m60 and bullet proof vest.

 

I summon a demon from hell while raining fire on you from a further distance not just burning you but every one around you and then for good measuere I control the weather as well and initaite endless lightning strikes.

In these types of games, magic would often replace science or limit it. Science would level the playing field to a degree to those that new magic.

But because magic exists it would limit science progression asanything science could do magic already does inclduing healing and brining back from the dead.

Although you could really getinto this debate a lot deeper

Yes you could because to my knowledge there is nothing in magic rivaling an H-bomb or even a cluster bomb that can basically level a mountain.

So for me blending science with magic rarely works, it just makes the world feel surreal.

Many real life illusionist or magician combine science and magic to make their show. Luc Langevin as example is a engineer physics, have a master in optical and PhD in Biophotonics. Yet he make his living only with magic shows and use his knowledge in science.

Uhm, except of course that this magic is only tricks and not the same type of magic as in games?

But I dont see this discussion getting anywhere. Im just saying that for me magic and technology rarely works, atleast I am not aware of a good IP where it has. It is really the same thing so you dont need both, pick either sci-fi or magic, but you dont need both as they dont mix well. Imo ofcourse.

I'll have to agree with yamota, balancing science and magic alwasy feels like it cheapens both. Don't get me wrong, I like the whole steampunk things but once you start getting fire arms into a game that is fantasy based it starts to feel like "throw everything in but the kitchen sink".

magic spells, ak47's, Tanks, Dwarves. Just doesn't resonate with my sensibilities.

And I thought the same thing when I was in the defiant area, why do we have swords when we should be using firearms.

mCalvert

Gunpowder based guns arent very accurate or damaging, people are wearing armor and have magic shields, thats why. Its fantasy, it doesnt make sense.

djazzy

Originally posted by pmaura

you kidding me first off magic has been able to take out mountains, cities and continets all life read your fiction. Look at what they allowed magic to do in cataclysm

Currently advaced magic is creating rifts all over the planet causing demons to pour out . That alone is more powerful then every h bomb

"I say we take off, and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"

SavageSage

I'm 6th level, just picked up a shotgun.  Figure at  higher levels, energy type ranged weapon will not be out of the question.  No idea, still a Beta.

Yamota

Originally posted by mCalvert

Gunpowder based guns arent very accurate or damaging, people are wearing armor and have magic shields, thats why. Its fantasy, it doesnt make sense.

Not sure about magic shields but gunpowder rifles as the reason why Knights were retired. It was no longer practical to wear plate armor as the gunpowder rifles would blow through all but the most extremely thick metal armors.

But disregarding that, having science and magic is just cake on cake. It is redundant and unneccessary as they both fulfil the same purpose.

Torgrim

Originally posted by ShredderSE

Ok, so the game have "robots", electric stuff, machines... so why do they use swords and not laser guns? =P

Well you can ask your own goverment why they havent manufacture laserguns to the troops

ShredderSE

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by ShredderSE

Ok, so the game have "robots", electric stuff, machines... so why do they use swords and not laser guns? =P

Well you can ask your own goverment why they havent manufacture laserguns to the troops

 They are working on it hehe.

mCalvert

Thats what I mean, people have magic enhanced swords. But remember even in the age of muskets they stil fought hand to hand. You couldnt fire fast or accurate enough to avoid a charge. And int this game you arent going to have armies standing in big crowds firing into a crowd. Its small fast moving targets, even harder to hit with a musket. Hence the need for swords. Long guns dont work well up close.