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The Plain Truth About Rift its a clone but a good one

pmaurapmaura Member UncommonPosts: 530

Its a very nice polished WoW clone. Yes WoW copied othergames but right now WoW is the 500lb gorrilla in the room .

If you like WoW but your looking for something different with nice updated graphics go for it.

DO NOT LOOK AT THIS GAME FOR ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY. Not that revolutionary is always a good thing. There both top notch itallian restaurants basicly.

Do not think think the soul system is ground breaking. they give you 4 classes then you can spec those 4 classes out with certain souls(or spec trees) but a lot of them are just the same effects. WoW on the otherahnd offers 8 classes with 3 spec trees in each class. So Rift gives you more custumization of abiilties but WoW gives you more actualy armor custumization as there is armored geared towards 8 classes not 4.

Rifts are Just Public Quests.

So if you want a nice pollished game with new content never seen before that plays like Warcraft and is less cartoony enjoy it.

Its got some cool dungeons, and no dungeon finder which for me is a good thing. And no damn flying mounts which I also think is a good thing.

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  • Jrx80Jrx80 Member Posts: 19

    Great post.

  • VexiusxVexiusx Member UncommonPosts: 212

    In other words: Rift is awesomesauce ;)

  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,985

    That about sums up the game quite nicely. People will at least have a fair idea of what they're getting themselves into after reading the OP. 

    "Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  • OzivoisOzivois Member UncommonPosts: 598

    Agree with OP, but I think we are looking for WOW 2.0 so here it is.  Better graphics, new world, everyone starting from level one together.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Its a very nice polished WoW clone. Yes WoW copied othergames but right now WoW is the 500lb gorrilla in the room .

    If you like WoW but your looking for something different with nice updated graphics go for it.

    DO NOT LOOK AT THIS GAME FOR ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY. Not that revolutionary is always a good thing. There both top notch itallian restaurants basicly.

    Do not think think the soul system is ground breaking. they give you 4 classes then you can spec those 4 classes out with certain souls(or spec trees) but a lot of them are just the same effects. WoW on the otherahnd offers 8 classes with 3 spec trees in each class. So Rift gives you more custumization of abiilties but WoW gives you more actualy armor custumization as there is armored geared towards 8 classes not 4.

    Rifts are Just Public Quests.

    So if you want a nice pollished game with new content never seen before that plays like Warcraft and is less cartoony enjoy it.

    Its got some cool dungeons, and no dungeon finder which for me is a good thing. And no damn flying mounts which I also think is a good thing.

     

     

    There is no such thing as 'the plain truth' here. It is all opinion.

    Your opinion is that it's a good one, and thats fine.

    Mine is that it is a VERY average one that offers no depth or sense of 'world'.

    I will wait for GW2 I think. Arenanet seem to understand that 'polish' means more then 'hey, it works'.

  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916

    True.

    One thing tho - WoW has 10 classes not 8.

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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Quite a few low post accounts being ressurected to support Rift in one sentence statements I see. 

  • pmaurapmaura Member UncommonPosts: 530

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Its a very nice polished WoW clone. Yes WoW copied othergames but right now WoW is the 500lb gorrilla in the room .

    If you like WoW but your looking for something different with nice updated graphics go for it.

    DO NOT LOOK AT THIS GAME FOR ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY. Not that revolutionary is always a good thing. There both top notch itallian restaurants basicly.

    Do not think think the soul system is ground breaking. they give you 4 classes then you can spec those 4 classes out with certain souls(or spec trees) but a lot of them are just the same effects. WoW on the otherahnd offers 8 classes with 3 spec trees in each class. So Rift gives you more custumization of abiilties but WoW gives you more actualy armor custumization as there is armored geared towards 8 classes not 4.

    Rifts are Just Public Quests.

    So if you want a nice pollished game with new content never seen before that plays like Warcraft and is less cartoony enjoy it.

    Its got some cool dungeons, and no dungeon finder which for me is a good thing. And no damn flying mounts which I also think is a good thing.

     

     

    There is no such thing as 'the plain truth' here. It is all opinion.

    Your opinion is that it's a good one, and thats fine.

    Mine is that it is a VERY average one that offers no depth or sense of 'world'.

    I will wait for GW2 I think. Arenanet seem to understand that 'polish' means more then 'hey, it works'.

     Guild Wars is instanced which for me means no sense or world immediatly.

    I have stopped playing the beta now because I want to be suprised more when it actaully comes out in a month.

  • Mattbell69Mattbell69 Member UncommonPosts: 58

    Rift is awesome and in my opinion it better than the aging WoW.   Is it a copy WoW, well that's a question in itself as WoW copied so many others. So bottom line RIFT would be a copy of the original that WoW copied  /shrug

    But let's not get into that. What it is, is a MMO that uses (a better phrase than copy) the main basics that all MMO's use and use them well.  It's also added many little things that you can find in other MMO's too.  It's like having all the best bits from them all in one game.

    Would I play this over WoW, of course as the WoW world is now populated with the masses and has Websites telling you how you should play a class rather than this new boy on the block that we can all still explore and have fun exploring.

    It's very polished and will launch in great shape. There will be of course some bugs, but you can't tell me that a number of the main MMO's out there now don't have bugs in them still.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Its a very nice polished WoW clone. Yes WoW copied othergames but right now WoW is the 500lb gorrilla in the room .

    If you like WoW but your looking for something different with nice updated graphics go for it.

    DO NOT LOOK AT THIS GAME FOR ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY. Not that revolutionary is always a good thing. There both top notch itallian restaurants basicly.

    Do not think think the soul system is ground breaking. they give you 4 classes then you can spec those 4 classes out with certain souls(or spec trees) but a lot of them are just the same effects. WoW on the otherahnd offers 8 classes with 3 spec trees in each class. So Rift gives you more custumization of abiilties but WoW gives you more actualy armor custumization as there is armored geared towards 8 classes not 4.

    Rifts are Just Public Quests.

    So if you want a nice pollished game with new content never seen before that plays like Warcraft and is less cartoony enjoy it.

    Its got some cool dungeons, and no dungeon finder which for me is a good thing. And no damn flying mounts which I also think is a good thing.

     

     

    There is no such thing as 'the plain truth' here. It is all opinion.

    Your opinion is that it's a good one, and thats fine.

    Mine is that it is a VERY average one that offers no depth or sense of 'world'.

    I will wait for GW2 I think. Arenanet seem to understand that 'polish' means more then 'hey, it works'.

     Guild Wars is instanced which for me means no sense or world immediatly.

    1. What difference does the fact that you are killing 10 boars in the field as another guy really make to you? it certainly does not create a 'world' to me... GW gave me an incredible sense of world and journey, much due to it's use of instancing, which is something that Rift failed to do in a spectacular way.

    2. I said GW2, not GW, and it's approach to world instancing is known to be different already.

    I have stopped playing the beta now because I want to be suprised more when it actaully comes out in a month.

    Well, yes.

    In a limited linear small themepark it pays to not have played through the content once before, because thats all there is and it gets boring fast. (evidenced by the fact you don't want to play through it twice!).

    Which is EXACTLY the issue with Rift.

    The fact that you arnt playing it now, to keep it fresh, is exactly the reason it will bleed subs at the 2 month mark.

  • iCehiCeh Member UncommonPosts: 884

    Originally posted by Ozivois

    Agree with OP, but I think we are looking for WOW 2.0 so here it is.  Better graphics, new world, everyone starting from level one together.

    This game might look better than WoW graphics-wise (and that's only because it has more realistic looking textures), but the feel of this game is very sluggish and stiff. If the developers are hoping for a this to become popular, they're in for a nasty shock - the engine is dated and should, quite frankly, be left to die.

    As the OP says; it's a WoW clone, but cloned from the skeleton of WAR. Yet WoW is what's wrong with MMO's today, why copy instanced BG's with queue times? If you're going to copy something, copy DAOC ffs.

    -iCeh

  • Rockgod99Rockgod99 Member Posts: 4,640
    Originally posted by iCeh


    Originally posted by Ozivois

    Agree with OP, but I think we are looking for WOW 2.0 so here it is.  Better graphics, new world, everyone starting from level one together.

    This game might look better than WoW graphics-wise (and that's only because it has more realistic looking textures), but the feel of this game is very sluggish and stiff. If the developers are hoping for a this to become popular, they're in for a nasty shock - the engine is dated and should, quite frankly, be left to die.

    As the OP says; it's a WoW clone, but cloned from the skeleton of WAR. Yet WoW is what's wrong with MMO's today, why copy instanced BG's with queue times? If you're going to copy something, copy DAOC ffs.

     

    Because no one wants to play DAoC... Haven't you realized that the opinions and wants on this forum don't reflect the community at all. The community wants WoW! They want instanced pvp, leveling, accessibility and dungeons with loot and more loot, and vanity pets in a cash shop and all types of shit we find retarded.

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    Waiting on: GW2, BP

  • GreenWidowGreenWidow Member Posts: 157

    Originally posted by iCeh

    Originally posted by Ozivois

    Agree with OP, but I think we are looking for WOW 2.0 so here it is.  Better graphics, new world, everyone starting from level one together.

    This game might look better than WoW graphics-wise (and that's only because it has more realistic looking textures), but the feel of this game is very sluggish and stiff. If the developers are hoping for a this to become popular, they're in for a nasty shock - the engine is dated and should, quite frankly, be left to die.

    As the OP says; it's a WoW clone, but cloned from the skeleton of WAR. Yet WoW is what's wrong with MMO's today, why copy instanced BG's with queue times? If you're going to copy something, copy DAOC ffs.

    I realize a lot of people on these forums liked DAOC.  I thought it sucked.  I can look at it's subs right now and I feel comfortable saying a LOT of other people agree with me.  I think RIFT took most of the things I liked from games I have played and enjoyed and put them together with Synergy in a well polished clone that plays nice, looks great, and performs fantastically once optimized for your system.  I ran around in a group of about 50 people all last nite doing raid style rifts with no lag, and my specs maxed.  Not even wow can handle that.  DAOC sure as hell could not.

    I pre-ordered and pre-subbed.  I love it. 

    I hope you find a game you like. 

    Now that we know this is not the game for you, there is really no point in your further posts on RIFT.

    I hope GW2 or Earthrise or EvE or SWTOR or whatever else your waiting on pleases you more. 

    Good luck with it.

    “Never violate a woman, nor harm a child. Do not lie, cheat or steal. These things are for lesser men. Protect the weak against the evil strong. And never allow thoughts of gain to lead you into the pursuit of evil. Never back away from an enemy. Either fight or surrender. It is not enough to say I will not be evil. Evil must be fought wherever it is found.”The Iron Code"

  • GreenWidowGreenWidow Member Posts: 157

    Originally posted by Rockgod99

    Because no one wants to play DAoC... 

    ^this^

     

    “Never violate a woman, nor harm a child. Do not lie, cheat or steal. These things are for lesser men. Protect the weak against the evil strong. And never allow thoughts of gain to lead you into the pursuit of evil. Never back away from an enemy. Either fight or surrender. It is not enough to say I will not be evil. Evil must be fought wherever it is found.”The Iron Code"

  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297

    Originally posted by GreenWidow

     

    Now that we know this is not the game for you, there is really no point in your further posts on RIFT.

    I'm gunna stick up for the guy u are aiming this towards as he is entitled to comment as much as anyone.. A lot of people on here have started saying they want naysayers to stop posting because they have heard it all before. Now, without both sides of the discussion what is the point in having a discussion at all?

    It works both ways as well, they could say they know you like the game so why not stop posting about it?

    You were polite about it, I'll give you that.. but your attitude is all wrong.

    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • VyntVynt Member UncommonPosts: 757

    Originally posted by GreenWidow

    Originally posted by iCeh

    Originally posted by Ozivois

    Agree with OP, but I think we are looking for WOW 2.0 so here it is.  Better graphics, new world, everyone starting from level one together.

    This game might look better than WoW graphics-wise (and that's only because it has more realistic looking textures), but the feel of this game is very sluggish and stiff. If the developers are hoping for a this to become popular, they're in for a nasty shock - the engine is dated and should, quite frankly, be left to die.

    As the OP says; it's a WoW clone, but cloned from the skeleton of WAR. Yet WoW is what's wrong with MMO's today, why copy instanced BG's with queue times? If you're going to copy something, copy DAOC ffs.

    I realize a lot of people on these forums liked DAOC.  I thought it sucked.  I can look at it's subs right now and I feel comfortable saying a LOT of other people agree with me.  I think RIFT took most of the things I liked from games I have played and enjoyed and put them together with Synergy in a well polished clone that plays nice, looks great, and performs fantastically once optimized for your system.  I ran around in a group of about 50 people all last nite doing raid style rifts with no lag, and my specs maxed.  Not even wow can handle that.  DAOC sure as hell could not.

    I pre-ordered and pre-subbed.  I love it. 

    I hope you find a game you like. 

    Now that we know this is not the game for you, there is really no point in your further posts on RIFT.

    I hope GW2 or Earthrise or EvE or SWTOR or whatever else your waiting on pleases you more. 

    Good luck with it.

     Looking at daoc subs now doesn't really indicate that the game sucked. It did top 250k subs in its prime when not many people were really into MMOs. Also, Mythic completely destroyed the game with various expansions (toa).

    As far as running with 50 people and no lag, I remember being in a relic raid with over 300 people in daoc, and running just fine.

    Another thing, isn't the Rift engine the same engine as daoc and warhammer? I would hope it could handle 50 people in Rift when it handled a lot more in daoc.

  • pmaurapmaura Member UncommonPosts: 530

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Its a very nice polished WoW clone. Yes WoW copied othergames but right now WoW is the 500lb gorrilla in the room .

    If you like WoW but your looking for something different with nice updated graphics go for it.

    DO NOT LOOK AT THIS GAME FOR ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY. Not that revolutionary is always a good thing. There both top notch itallian restaurants basicly.

    Do not think think the soul system is ground breaking. they give you 4 classes then you can spec those 4 classes out with certain souls(or spec trees) but a lot of them are just the same effects. WoW on the otherahnd offers 8 classes with 3 spec trees in each class. So Rift gives you more custumization of abiilties but WoW gives you more actualy armor custumization as there is armored geared towards 8 classes not 4.

    Rifts are Just Public Quests.

    So if you want a nice pollished game with new content never seen before that plays like Warcraft and is less cartoony enjoy it.

    Its got some cool dungeons, and no dungeon finder which for me is a good thing. And no damn flying mounts which I also think is a good thing.

     

     

    There is no such thing as 'the plain truth' here. It is all opinion.

    Your opinion is that it's a good one, and thats fine.

    Mine is that it is a VERY average one that offers no depth or sense of 'world'.

    I will wait for GW2 I think. Arenanet seem to understand that 'polish' means more then 'hey, it works'.

     Guild Wars is instanced which for me means no sense or world immediatly.

    1. What difference does the fact that you are killing 10 boars in the field as another guy really make to you? it certainly does not create a 'world' to me... GW gave me an incredible sense of world and journey, much due to it's use of instancing, which is something that Rift failed to do in a spectacular way.

    2. I said GW2, not GW, and it's approach to world instancing is known to be different already.

    I have stopped playing the beta now because I want to be suprised more when it actaully comes out in a month.

    Well, yes.

    In a limited linear small themepark it pays to not have played through the content once before, because thats all there is and it gets boring fast. (evidenced by the fact you don't want to play through it twice!).

    Which is EXACTLY the issue with Rift.

    The fact that you arnt playing it now, to keep it fresh, is exactly the reason it will bleed subs at the 2 month mark.

     lets see gw2 has loading screens between areas rift doesnt it, that sucks.

    I was getting attached to my assaisin/sabatuer/rift stalker.  and figured crap why invest all this time to do it again. Unless your saying that every single time you start a new charcter in Gw2 you have brand new quests and stories. If so thats rather impressive. too bad that would be lie.

    Otherwise I loved DAOC the graphics are just too dated right now though for me. and I have been in rift events that probably had close to 100 people in them and I suffered very little lag. and this was also on a full server

  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297

    No loading screens is overhyped... makes no difference to the size of the world or quality of it. Whether you see the screen or not you are still doing the loading and you will always know you are playing a game.

    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Its a very nice polished WoW clone. Yes WoW copied othergames but right now WoW is the 500lb gorrilla in the room .

    If you like WoW but your looking for something different with nice updated graphics go for it.

    DO NOT LOOK AT THIS GAME FOR ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY. Not that revolutionary is always a good thing. There both top notch itallian restaurants basicly.

    Do not think think the soul system is ground breaking. they give you 4 classes then you can spec those 4 classes out with certain souls(or spec trees) but a lot of them are just the same effects. WoW on the otherahnd offers 8 classes with 3 spec trees in each class. So Rift gives you more custumization of abiilties but WoW gives you more actualy armor custumization as there is armored geared towards 8 classes not 4.

    Rifts are Just Public Quests.

    So if you want a nice pollished game with new content never seen before that plays like Warcraft and is less cartoony enjoy it.

    Its got some cool dungeons, and no dungeon finder which for me is a good thing. And no damn flying mounts which I also think is a good thing.

     

     

    There is no such thing as 'the plain truth' here. It is all opinion.

    Your opinion is that it's a good one, and thats fine.

    Mine is that it is a VERY average one that offers no depth or sense of 'world'.

    I will wait for GW2 I think. Arenanet seem to understand that 'polish' means more then 'hey, it works'.

     Guild Wars is instanced which for me means no sense or world immediatly.

    1. What difference does the fact that you are killing 10 boars in the field as another guy really make to you? it certainly does not create a 'world' to me... GW gave me an incredible sense of world and journey, much due to it's use of instancing, which is something that Rift failed to do in a spectacular way.

    2. I said GW2, not GW, and it's approach to world instancing is known to be different already.

    I have stopped playing the beta now because I want to be suprised more when it actaully comes out in a month.

    Well, yes.

    In a limited linear small themepark it pays to not have played through the content once before, because thats all there is and it gets boring fast. (evidenced by the fact you don't want to play through it twice!).

    Which is EXACTLY the issue with Rift.

    The fact that you arnt playing it now, to keep it fresh, is exactly the reason it will bleed subs at the 2 month mark.

     lets see gw2 has loading screens between areas rift doesnt it, that sucks. Unless your saying that every single time you start a new charcter in Gw2 you have brand new quests and stories. If so thats rather impressive. too bad that would be lie.

    lol i dont mind loading screens at all :)

    and we dont know about the quest load in the game yet, so I am not prepared to say. we know it does have racial start areas (or so i believe, I am no expert) and personal story lines though, which are both much more then Rift offers.

    I was getting attached to my assaisin/sabatuer/rift stalker.  and figured crap why invest all this time to do it again.

    thats the point isnt it?

    Rift dosent make you to play it again, because it has a linear and limited levelling path that dosent bear replay, and thats why it will haemorrhage subs at 2-3 months.

    Once even the super casuals have consumed the themepark content on offer that is.

    If it was super fun you would WANT to play through it all again, right?

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Quite a few low post accounts being ressurected to support Rift in one sentence statements I see. 

     I have more than you, does that mean that because I have more post that my voice has more relevance than yours.   Also, I have seen my share of low post count posters that are trolling these forums as well.  So I do not think your comment is exactly all that accurate.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Teala

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Quite a few low post accounts being ressurected to support Rift in one sentence statements I see. 

     I have more than you, does that mean that because I have more post that my voice has more relevance than yours.   Also, I have seen my share of low post count posters that are trolling these forums as well.  So I do not think your comment is exactly all that accurate.

     

     

    I'm sorry... I do not have a clue what your saying...

    can you clarify please?

  • romanator0romanator0 Member Posts: 2,382

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by pmaura


    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by pmaura

    Its a very nice polished WoW clone. Yes WoW copied othergames but right now WoW is the 500lb gorrilla in the room .

    If you like WoW but your looking for something different with nice updated graphics go for it.

    DO NOT LOOK AT THIS GAME FOR ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY. Not that revolutionary is always a good thing. There both top notch itallian restaurants basicly.

    Do not think think the soul system is ground breaking. they give you 4 classes then you can spec those 4 classes out with certain souls(or spec trees) but a lot of them are just the same effects. WoW on the otherahnd offers 8 classes with 3 spec trees in each class. So Rift gives you more custumization of abiilties but WoW gives you more actualy armor custumization as there is armored geared towards 8 classes not 4.

    Rifts are Just Public Quests.

    So if you want a nice pollished game with new content never seen before that plays like Warcraft and is less cartoony enjoy it.

    Its got some cool dungeons, and no dungeon finder which for me is a good thing. And no damn flying mounts which I also think is a good thing.

     

     

    There is no such thing as 'the plain truth' here. It is all opinion.

    Your opinion is that it's a good one, and thats fine.

    Mine is that it is a VERY average one that offers no depth or sense of 'world'.

    I will wait for GW2 I think. Arenanet seem to understand that 'polish' means more then 'hey, it works'.

     Guild Wars is instanced which for me means no sense or world immediatly.

    1. What difference does the fact that you are killing 10 boars in the field as another guy really make to you? it certainly does not create a 'world' to me... GW gave me an incredible sense of world and journey, much due to it's use of instancing, which is something that Rift failed to do in a spectacular way.

    2. I said GW2, not GW, and it's approach to world instancing is known to be different already.

    I have stopped playing the beta now because I want to be suprised more when it actaully comes out in a month.

    Well, yes.

    In a limited linear small themepark it pays to not have played through the content once before, because thats all there is and it gets boring fast. (evidenced by the fact you don't want to play through it twice!).

    Which is EXACTLY the issue with Rift.

    The fact that you arnt playing it now, to keep it fresh, is exactly the reason it will bleed subs at the 2 month mark.

     lets see gw2 has loading screens between areas rift doesnt it, that sucks.

    I was getting attached to my assaisin/sabatuer/rift stalker.  and figured crap why invest all this time to do it again. Unless your saying that every single time you start a new charcter in Gw2 you have brand new quests and stories. If so thats rather impressive. too bad that would be lie.

    Otherwise I loved DAOC the graphics are just too dated right now though for me. and I have been in rift events that probably had close to 100 people in them and I suffered very little lag. and this was also on a full server

    Did you know gw2 has free respecs outside of combat. You don't even need to see some sort of trainer to do it. You just open the menu and change what traits or skills you want. Also, every time you play gw2 something different is supposed to be going on, It might not be new but it will be different. I personally believe that that is better than static quests that are always the same no matter what. As for the loading screens, even if you see them in gw2, at least that means you don't have to wait for the zone your in to load while your playing so you can see anything and everything that is going on the zone from one spot.

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  • pmaurapmaura Member UncommonPosts: 530

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Its a very nice polished WoW clone. Yes WoW copied othergames but right now WoW is the 500lb gorrilla in the room .

    If you like WoW but your looking for something different with nice updated graphics go for it.

    DO NOT LOOK AT THIS GAME FOR ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY. Not that revolutionary is always a good thing. There both top notch itallian restaurants basicly.

    Do not think think the soul system is ground breaking. they give you 4 classes then you can spec those 4 classes out with certain souls(or spec trees) but a lot of them are just the same effects. WoW on the otherahnd offers 8 classes with 3 spec trees in each class. So Rift gives you more custumization of abiilties but WoW gives you more actualy armor custumization as there is armored geared towards 8 classes not 4.

    Rifts are Just Public Quests.

    So if you want a nice pollished game with new content never seen before that plays like Warcraft and is less cartoony enjoy it.

    Its got some cool dungeons, and no dungeon finder which for me is a good thing. And no damn flying mounts which I also think is a good thing.

     

     

    There is no such thing as 'the plain truth' here. It is all opinion.

    Your opinion is that it's a good one, and thats fine.

    Mine is that it is a VERY average one that offers no depth or sense of 'world'.

    I will wait for GW2 I think. Arenanet seem to understand that 'polish' means more then 'hey, it works'.

     Guild Wars is instanced which for me means no sense or world immediatly.

    1. What difference does the fact that you are killing 10 boars in the field as another guy really make to you? it certainly does not create a 'world' to me... GW gave me an incredible sense of world and journey, much due to it's use of instancing, which is something that Rift failed to do in a spectacular way.

    2. I said GW2, not GW, and it's approach to world instancing is known to be different already.

    I have stopped playing the beta now because I want to be suprised more when it actaully comes out in a month.

    Well, yes.

    In a limited linear small themepark it pays to not have played through the content once before, because thats all there is and it gets boring fast. (evidenced by the fact you don't want to play through it twice!).

    Which is EXACTLY the issue with Rift.

    The fact that you arnt playing it now, to keep it fresh, is exactly the reason it will bleed subs at the 2 month mark.

     lets see gw2 has loading screens between areas rift doesnt it, that sucks. Unless your saying that every single time you start a new charcter in Gw2 you have brand new quests and stories. If so thats rather impressive. too bad that would be lie.

    Again, I am not talking about GW2... see above and absorb :)

    I was getting attached to my assaisin/sabatuer/rift stalker.  and figured crap why invest all this time to do it again.

    thats the point isnt it?

    Rift dosent make you to play it again, because it has a linear and limited levelling path that dosent bear replay, and thats why it will haemorrhage subs at 2-3 months.

    Once even the super casuals have consumed the themepark content on offer that is.

    If it was super fun you would WANT to play through it all again, right?

     I will play it through again, but as a warrior  or mage and for the other side as well,not as the exact same class and race as that seems dumb to keep replaying an mmorpg as the exact same build.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by pmaura

    Its a very nice polished WoW clone. Yes WoW copied othergames but right now WoW is the 500lb gorrilla in the room .

    If you like WoW but your looking for something different with nice updated graphics go for it.

    DO NOT LOOK AT THIS GAME FOR ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY. Not that revolutionary is always a good thing. There both top notch itallian restaurants basicly.

    Do not think think the soul system is ground breaking. they give you 4 classes then you can spec those 4 classes out with certain souls(or spec trees) but a lot of them are just the same effects. WoW on the otherahnd offers 8 classes with 3 spec trees in each class. So Rift gives you more custumization of abiilties but WoW gives you more actualy armor custumization as there is armored geared towards 8 classes not 4.

    Rifts are Just Public Quests.

    So if you want a nice pollished game with new content never seen before that plays like Warcraft and is less cartoony enjoy it.

    Its got some cool dungeons, and no dungeon finder which for me is a good thing. And no damn flying mounts which I also think is a good thing.

     

     

    There is no such thing as 'the plain truth' here. It is all opinion.

    Your opinion is that it's a good one, and thats fine.

    Mine is that it is a VERY average one that offers no depth or sense of 'world'.

    I will wait for GW2 I think. Arenanet seem to understand that 'polish' means more then 'hey, it works'.

     Guild Wars is instanced which for me means no sense or world immediatly.

    1. What difference does the fact that you are killing 10 boars in the field as another guy really make to you? it certainly does not create a 'world' to me... GW gave me an incredible sense of world and journey, much due to it's use of instancing, which is something that Rift failed to do in a spectacular way.

    2. I said GW2, not GW, and it's approach to world instancing is known to be different already.

    I have stopped playing the beta now because I want to be suprised more when it actaully comes out in a month.

    Well, yes.

    In a limited linear small themepark it pays to not have played through the content once before, because thats all there is and it gets boring fast. (evidenced by the fact you don't want to play through it twice!).

    Which is EXACTLY the issue with Rift.

    The fact that you arnt playing it now, to keep it fresh, is exactly the reason it will bleed subs at the 2 month mark.

     lets see gw2 has loading screens between areas rift doesnt it, that sucks. Unless your saying that every single time you start a new charcter in Gw2 you have brand new quests and stories. If so thats rather impressive. too bad that would be lie.

    Again, I am not talking about GW2... see above and absorb :)

    I was getting attached to my assaisin/sabatuer/rift stalker.  and figured crap why invest all this time to do it again.

    thats the point isnt it?

    Rift dosent make you to play it again, because it has a linear and limited levelling path that dosent bear replay, and thats why it will haemorrhage subs at 2-3 months.

    Once even the super casuals have consumed the themepark content on offer that is.

    If it was super fun you would WANT to play through it all again, right?

     I will play it through again, but as a warrior  or mage and for the other side as well,not as the exact same class and race as that seems dumb to keep replaying an mmorpg as the exact same build.

     

    I dont blame you, I wouldnt want to play it through twice either. 

  • iCehiCeh Member UncommonPosts: 884

    Originally posted by GreenWidow

    Originally posted by iCeh


    Originally posted by Ozivois

    Agree with OP, but I think we are looking for WOW 2.0 so here it is.  Better graphics, new world, everyone starting from level one together.

    This game might look better than WoW graphics-wise (and that's only because it has more realistic looking textures), but the feel of this game is very sluggish and stiff. If the developers are hoping for a this to become popular, they're in for a nasty shock - the engine is dated and should, quite frankly, be left to die.

    As the OP says; it's a WoW clone, but cloned from the skeleton of WAR. Yet WoW is what's wrong with MMO's today, why copy instanced BG's with queue times? If you're going to copy something, copy DAOC ffs.

    I realize a lot of people on these forums liked DAOC.  I thought it sucked.  I can look at it's subs right now and I feel comfortable saying a LOT of other people agree with me.

    No shit. A 9+ year old game has little subs?

    Obviously I was talking about the concept of the game, not the actual game... especially the battlegrounds. 3 factions fighting for control of the central keep, having siege weapons such as catapults, trebuchets, rams and slingshots (that still pisses over WoW's, btw) to blast open the keep door, and/or its walls. Meanwhile, those holding it were on the battlements casting at you and pouring hot oil over your heads to try and keep you out... did I mention that was while another faction was there for the same keep?

    It made for some awesome games, and that was only the BG's (that got bigger and better as you leveled.)

    DAoC was short lived for me, it already felt dated when I played it 5 years ago. But the idea was awesome, and I'll never understand why WAR watered it down so much.

    Rift also feels dated, using the same engine as WAR was a terrible decision and, IMO,  this game will go down the exact same path as WAR - but quicker.

    I'm not trying to troll Rift, btw. I'm just voicing an opinion, as I get annoyed by a great idea that's been executed wrong. Such wasted talent. ;/

    -iCeh

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