Finding endgame content very difficult

jpnole

Well I've talked this game up as much as anyone and I've thoroughly enjoyed my time up to level 30 but something has happened now that I'm at endgame. There is plenty of content to run, but the difficulty is very high. I have a buddy that plays a healer and we did a succesful duo without wiping, but when we tried another it was damn near impossible. None of the level 30 content is soloable. People are always quitting the hard mode alerts and duos out of frustration when you reach the "impossible" stages. I've queued for raids and pvp for hours sometimes without getting in. I don't know. I went ahead and cancelled my recurring sub and will wait for a nerfing. No problem really, there are other good games to play in the very near future. Hope SoE addresses the remaining bugs esspecially that chat. I wanted to punch my lcd a few times it's so frustrating to chat. Most of all, I hope they tone down the difficulty at end game a bit. Overall I still find the game to be innovative and very fun up to max level and still recommend it if you are into the superhero thing. I know I opened myself up for a good flaming on this one but I don't mind. I like being able to speak my mind with you all!

Germaximus_S

I dunno. I havent experienced either 8 man raid yet but ive done all the other content and its pretty simple if people actually pay attention and open their eyes.

I dont mean to offend you and your friend tho. I just know in my experience i join these Duo's and play with people that dont seem to understand when bosses spawn adds you should kill them.

Joshua69

ok, i give. wtf is so wrong with the chat? I find it clunky, and it would be nice to have it more refined. But its not difficult to chat!? /shout hey whats up? /l hey guys hows it going? /g where are we going? its that simple. Also, if I find myself talking to shout and to group and league or a combination there of, I sit in the social tab

As far as content being difficult, don't forget. It's about a month old, so, I don't think alot of people who would really be interested in raiding are there yet. I would imagin they are having fun with alts and PvP yet, just a thought

jpnole

Originally posted by monstermmo

I dunno. I havent experienced either 8 man raid yet but ive done all the other content and its pretty simple if people actually pay attention and open their eyes.

I dont mean to offend you and your friend tho. I just know in my experience i join these Duo's and play with people that dont seem to understand when bosses spawn adds you should kill them.

Another problem I was having was that when either a group member or I would get killed by the adds, we'd come back in to find the boss back at full health and having to refight from the beginning of the boss battle. Became like a neverending cycle. I totally understand how the game should be played though, I just know for a fact that level 30 enemies are too tough and in the end that will affect people's perceived progression and in turn cause a loss of subs. It's cool though. I don't mind some difficulty in my games, but if I lose a sense of progression then I have to try something else. Thanks for your input though!

Germaximus_S

The social aspect of the game is near impossible. The chat interface is pretty bad, i mean its cool that its there and useable but its bad.

As an article mentioned its a really good thing they implemented voice chat with the release. Good idea, too bad its not used. Some people are mad about "mouth breathers" but youll get that on any voice chat system so it doesnt matter.

If chatting in the game was easier it might make the game even better.

Hell League (guild) chat doesnt even work.

Kazlin

Originally posted by jpnole

Well I've talked this game up as much as anyone and I've thoroughly enjoyed my time up to level 30 but something has happened now that I'm at endgame. There is plenty of content to run, but the difficulty is very high. I have a buddy that plays a healer and we did a succesful duo without wiping, but when we tried another it was damn near impossible. None of the level 30 content is soloable. People are always quitting the hard mode alerts and duos out of frustration when you reach the "impossible" stages. I've queued for raids and pvp for hours sometimes without getting in. I don't know. I went ahead and cancelled my recurring sub and will wait for a nerfing. No problem really, there are other good games to play in the very near future. Hope SoE addresses the remaining bugs esspecially that chat. I wanted to punch my lcd a few times it's so frustrating to chat. Most of all, I hope they tone down the difficulty at end game a bit. Overall I still find the game to be innovative and very fun up to max level and still recommend it if you are into the superhero thing. I know I opened myself up for a good flaming on this one but I don't mind. I like being able to speak my mind with you all!

I will start off by saying i will not flame you or call you all the other things in the book . I am A SoE veteren if you wanna call me that the reason SoE is considered the best at end game content is because they know how to do it . While i know your frustration on people quiting and etc because it happens to me all the time but comeing from one of the harest games in the genre i stik with it because to me it isnt as difficult as the other SoE games.

DCUO is suppose to be a more casual gamers game and the endgame will be hard it suppose to be its raids and hard mode  i dont see them nerfing it at all  because its to Hard they dont do things like Blizzard dose.  If people flmae you im sorry as you did leave yourself open for it but dont get bothered by them  .

The only advice i can give you is try and find a really good duo team or find a good bunch of players and team up with them all the time i cleared all hard mode and raids on my first run but after that i see alot of what your complaining about where people just upright and leave because they cant deal with it i laugh at them and think where the hell have they come from what game and etc because they dont have the patience or knowleage to complete the hard endgame content.

Germaximus_S

Originally posted by jpnole

Originally posted by monstermmo

I dunno. I havent experienced either 8 man raid yet but ive done all the other content and its pretty simple if people actually pay attention and open their eyes.

I dont mean to offend you and your friend tho. I just know in my experience i join these Duo's and play with people that dont seem to understand when bosses spawn adds you should kill them.

Another problem I was having was that when either a group member or I would get killed by the adds, we'd come back in to find the boss back at full health and having to refight from the beginning of the boss battle. Became like a neverending cycle. I totally understand how the game should be played though, I just know for a fact that level 30 enemies are too tough and in the end that will affect people's perceived progression and in turn cause a loss of subs. It's cool though. I don't mind some difficulty in my games, but if I lose a sense of progression then I have to try something else. Thanks for your input though!

If you die fighting a boss it resets, thats how it is in most games.

jpnole

Originally posted by monstermmo

The social aspect of the game is near impossible. The chat interface is pretty bad, i mean its cool that its there and useable but its bad.

As an article mentioned its a really good thing they implemented voice chat with the release. Good idea, too bad its not used. Some people are mad about "mouth breathers" but youll get that on any voice chat system so it doesnt matter.

If chatting in the game was easier it might make the game even better.

Hell League (guild) chat doesnt even work.

Yes - and while there's a lot to like with this game, this is a huge let down. I find that sometimes when you hit enter, the chat interface doesn't respond. Also after receiving a tell you are supposed to be able to type /r to reply but this only works sometimes.

ShadowStyleB

I love how people come in and someone is talking about engame content being hard they continue to talk about chatting in the game.

GrayGhost79

If I were you I'd petition for an easy mode added to the already existing hard and normal. Easy mode would of course be easier and give less rewards and no marks, normal as it is now and Hard as it is now. 

 

Reducing the overall difficulty for everyone would be suicide as far more people would quit. As long as it's not impossible people will continue to play and try to go through the content. Make it to easy and people run through it, get bored and quit. 

 

Lack of challenge in PvE content is one of the most common complaints for MMO's. 

 

So hopefully your in the minority on this as I would hate to see another game go the easy mode route as there are way to many on the market as is. I actually like the harder fights :P. 

Wrender

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

If I were you I'd petition for an easy mode added to the already existing hard and normal. Easy mode would of course be easier and give less rewards and no marks, normal as it is now and Hard as it is now.  Key word here is added to  not removed

 

 

Reducing the overall difficulty for everyone would be suicide as far more people would quit. As long as it's not impossible people will continue to play and try to go through the content. Make it to easy and people run through it, get bored and quit. Unless it's World of Warcraft!

 

Lack of challenge in PvE content is one of the most common complaints for MMO's.  Why I don't play World of Warcraft anymore 

 

So hopefully your in the minority on this as I would hate to see another game go the easy mode route as there are way to many on the market as is. I actually like the harder fights :P.  You got that shit right ..for damn sure! Well said! Woot.

 

jpnole

Well who knows could be my gear too as I'm still filling out my level 30 stuff. I have a couple lvl 24 and lvl 18 things in some slots I think. Ran the OMAC duo last night with my healer buddy. We got all the way through to the end but just couldn't get the boss. After the first wipe we stopped since it was getting late. Try again tonight. We both agreed that if he wasn't a healer we wouldn't have made it out of the first room of the instance. Is anyone having any luck with duos without a healer? I can see the alerts or raids being healer dependent but the duos? Also my main is a controller and I've read on the forums that the controllers are in the biggest need for a patch and aren't working as intended. Well it's either too hard or I suck.... flip a coin.

Kazlin

Originally posted by jpnole

Well who knows could be my gear too as I'm still filling out my level 30 stuff. I have a couple lvl 24 and lvl 18 things in some slots I think. Ran the OMAC duo last night with my healer buddy. We got all the way through to the end but just couldn't get the boss. After the first wipe we stopped since it was getting late. Try again tonight. We both agreed that if he wasn't a healer we wouldn't have made it out of the first room of the instance. Is anyone having any luck with duos without a healer? I can see the alerts or raids being healer dependent but the duos? Also my main is a controller and I've read on the forums that the controllers are in the biggest need for a patch and aren't working as intended. Well it's either too hard or I suck.... flip a coin.

I think i had a healer once in a Duo i am a controller and i useually either get a DMG  Dealer or a tank type mostly dmg dealer as well as other controllers and i never have a issue. OMAC is prob the hardest Duo but it all depends how you do things.

Wicoa

The end game content generally requires a balanced group 1 tank 1 controller regening power and controlling mobs 1 healer 1 spec'd and geared dps'r.  And also an organised group on comms. I WILL NOT PUG certain alerts you can forget raiding.

A good league is your friend (that has comms) so you can ask qs and form groups. Endgame content in any mmo standard these days generally requires you to seek out like minded friends so you can tackle it easier as a unit.  I have completed all hard alerts daily with my old league and the key was playing with people who knew what to do and could talk to each other.  Raids on the other hand atm I find buggy and need some fixing.

I noticed in your sig OP you have put down for 6 months of rift I dont know how many instances you have done in that game but I think after it becomes very challenging and requires a focused organised and decent group make up to complete.

Germaximus_S

I have successfully completed every Duo multiple times with 2x dps players.

It really depends on the players. Ive been in several Duo's where my partner was damn near useless and i was probably useless a couple of the first times i did them.

nomss

I have not loged in for more then a week now. Oh and I found end game to be too difficult as well.

jpnole

Originally posted by monstermmo

I have successfully completed every Duo multiple times with 2x dps players.

It really depends on the players. Ive been in several Duo's where my partner was damn near useless and i was probably useless a couple of the first times i did them.

I don't get it, it seems that right off the bat the enemy's dps is just insane and my health meter goes down. Are you chugging soder colas? Without a healer I'm done for. Based on my experience I just don't understand it.

jpnole

Originally posted by nomss

I have not loged in for more then a week now. Oh and I found end game to be too difficult as well.

Thanks. Was looking for someone to confirm this.

jpnole

Originally posted by Wicoa

The end game content generally requires a balanced group 1 tank 1 controller regening power and controlling mobs 1 healer 1 spec'd and geared dps'r.  And also an organised group on comms. I WILL NOT PUG certain alerts you can forget raiding.

A good league is your friend (that has comms) so you can ask qs and form groups. Endgame content in any mmo standard these days generally requires you to seek out like minded friends so you can tackle it easier as a unit.  I have completed all hard alerts daily with my old league and the key was playing with people who knew what to do and could talk to each other.  Raids on the other hand atm I find buggy and need some fixing.

I noticed in your sig OP you have put down for 6 months of rift I dont know how many instances you have done in that game but I think after it becomes very challenging and requires a focused organised and decent group make up to complete.

Yeah I'm excited about Rift. I did get to run the Fae dungeon and I loved it. No wipes! The mass market fantasy mmo will cater to the difficulty thing though.

Germaximus_S

Originally posted by jpnole

Originally posted by monstermmo

I have successfully completed every Duo multiple times with 2x dps players.

It really depends on the players. Ive been in several Duo's where my partner was damn near useless and i was probably useless a couple of the first times i did them.

I don't get it, it seems that right off the bat the enemy's dps is just insane and my health meter goes down. Are you chugging soder colas? Without a healer I'm done for. Based on my experience I just don't understand it.

I usually only have to chug soda for boss fights and even then not usually since there are health barrels everywhere.

With 2x dps you kill stuff fast so shouldnt take too much damage and you regen out of combat.

Sinstarr

The pve content is very gear based. I have completed all the raids and alerts and they were more difficult when my gear was lacking. However, once you start getting your tier1 and tier2 gear you will find you will have almost no trouble at all with most of the content. With a good group all the alerts can be completed in less than 30 minutes and the duos in 10 minutes.

adam_nox

Originally posted by Sinstarr

The pve content is very gear based. I have completed all the raids and alerts and they were more difficult when my gear was lacking. However, once you start getting your tier1 and tier2 gear you will find you will have almost no trouble at all with most of the content. With a good group all the alerts can be completed in less than 30 minutes and the duos in 10 minutes.

If you kept all your gear that has stats for the roles you use, the level 30 blue quest rewards and mailbox items are only about 10% less effective than a full set of T1.  Gear really doesn't matter, but skill is important, and speccing correctly is almost as important.  Gear takes third place, which is something people don't get yet.

Proson

Seriously?? Endgane difficult???

I have NEVER died in a Duo, i have wiped a few times in HM's because i joined with randoms and got in group with total idiots who dont know how to play.

 

I started a guild a few weeks back, invited some people i had been playing with. After having farmed some HM's for about a week we decided too go raiding, we went to batcave first. We wiped once on first boss, then got him on the second try. Second boss we 1 shotted. same with 3rd and last boss in Batcave.

Then after we went khandaq, took all bosses on first try besides Black Adam, used 3 tryes on him i think. (Fyi half the raid had blue and green items, me and a few others had 3-4 T1 PvE items)

Yea the end game is really hard >< You must be playing with total idiots who cant play if you are having problems.

The 2 first days i tought endgame was hard too, then i realised the randoms i got in group with were useless, There was this 1 nature healer. he couldnt keep anyone alive in Ace chemicals, and he was saying stuff like "oh but nature is not main healer, we are only support" But they just use crappy loadouts and dont know how to play the game.

 

AND YOU ARE WAITING FOR THEM TO NERF IT???? SERIOUSLY??? They need to make ALL the content MUCH HARDER

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Kexo

So you are l33t. Thanks. I guess the rest of us mere mortals must be playing it wrong.

SanHor

Where is the endgame content because all I see are repeatable instances to get better equipment. Its cool side content but what do you guys do in Gotham and Metropolis at lvl 30? I'm not into ganking lowbies and occassionaly I'm lucky to end up in a nice PvP duel but besides that I see nothing else. Am I missing something?

Proson

Originally posted by Kexo

So you are l33t. Thanks. I guess the rest of us mere mortals must be playing it wrong.

 

Im not saying how l33t i am, but the end-game is seriously easy. Yes you "mortal" are playing it wrong if you find it hard. as i said i tought end-game was hard too the first couple of days cause i played with people who dont know what abilities to use and there loadouts are all wrong (Mine prolly wasnt the best either, but i tryed many diffrent loadouts until i found one that works)

And alot of people dont use block or roll away from stuff. Some of the bosses do actually require minor tactics aswell.. Not just tank and spank.

My best suggestion tough would be to get a league, or find a couple of people too play with. If any of you are playing on the Bloodstorm EU pvp server give me a tell (Prozon) and i can give you some tips or even boost you thorugh a dungeon / raid just to show you how damn easy it is.

 

Seriously, end-game atm is WAY easier then WoTLK dungeons and raids.

 

Its gonna be fun when you guys actually realise how easy End-game is. Instead of using the queue try make a group before hand with some decent people, and you will see.