If you consdier waiting for hours on end for PvP just because some douche is station camping and waiting for all your prime members to log off so he can gank when the population is low. Just because he has no job and you do. Then yea, eve has pvp. The pvp is just all stationa nd stargate camps.
There is less pvp is EvE than some carebear games I can think of. This is the main reason I quit. Sure there is item loss, but who cares when PvP never happens. I'm in PvP for the fact that people are better than AI. I could give a crap less about the items I lose.
EvE is about a pvp game as WoW is a sandbox. Remove docking inside stations, and stargates and you might have a legitimate pvp where it happens because it happens, instead of it happens only when someone expliots the game system to his advantage.
Im enjoying EVE (2 weeks in) but this is one of my concerns about pvp down the road. I enjoy solo pvp from time to time so I'm curious whether its even possible in EVE. My guess is most group up in corps and rarely go anywhere on their own in lowsec space...
My long term goal is to get into covert ops pvp and exploring eventually. Should I give up now before I learn months from now small scale pvp doesnt exist in EVE? lol
I havent been to lowsec yet but I'm assuming most just hang out at gates and wait for pvp? Open world exploration and pvp is my thing so if EVE doesnt offer this I dont expect to last very long here unfortionately.
If you consdier waiting for hours on end for PvP just because some douche is station camping and waiting for all your prime members to log off so he can gank when the population is low. Just because he has no job and you do. Then yea, eve has pvp. The pvp is just all stationa nd stargate camps.
There is less pvp is EvE than some carebear games I can think of. This is the main reason I quit. Sure there is item loss, but who cares when PvP never happens. I'm in PvP for the fact that people are better than AI. I could give a crap less about the items I lose.
EvE is about a pvp game as WoW is a sandbox. Remove docking inside stations, and stargates and you might have a legitimate pvp where it happens because it happens, instead of it happens only when someone expliots the game system to his advantage.
Im enjoying EVE (2 weeks in) but this is one of my concerns about pvp down the road. I enjoy solo pvp from time to time so I'm curious whether its even possible in EVE. My guess is most group up in corps and rarely go anywhere on their own in lowsec space...
My long term goal is to get into covert ops pvp and exploring eventually. Should I give up now before I learn months from now small scale pvp doesnt exist in EVE? lol
I havent been to lowsec yet but I'm assuming most just hang out at gates and wait for pvp? Open world exploration and pvp is my thing so if EVE doesnt offer this I dont expect to last very long here unfortionately.
Wardecs are so easy to evade it's laughable. I'll go in to how if you like.
If you consdier waiting for hours on end for PvP just because some douche is station camping and waiting for all your prime members to log off so he can gank when the population is low. Just because he has no job and you do. Then yea, eve has pvp. The pvp is just all stationa nd stargate camps.
There is less pvp is EvE than some carebear games I can think of. This is the main reason I quit. Sure there is item loss, but who cares when PvP never happens. I'm in PvP for the fact that people are better than AI. I could give a crap less about the items I lose.
EvE is about a pvp game as WoW is a sandbox. Remove docking inside stations, and stargates and you might have a legitimate pvp where it happens because it happens, instead of it happens only when someone expliots the game system to his advantage.
LOL at the guy who likes PVP for the challenge of combatting real people instead of an AI but complains that he cant outsmart another player. Station camps can be beat . . . heard of insta-warp safe spots? Gate camps can be beat.
If you are going to claim that you like competition against people stop complain that they hard to beat. Perhaps what you mean is that the version of PVP you like is griefing carebears, industrialist, miners and other non-PVP focused players . . .
If you consdier waiting for hours on end for PvP just because some douche is station camping and waiting for all your prime members to log off so he can gank when the population is low. Just because he has no job and you do. Then yea, eve has pvp. The pvp is just all stationa nd stargate camps.
There is less pvp is EvE than some carebear games I can think of. This is the main reason I quit. Sure there is item loss, but who cares when PvP never happens. I'm in PvP for the fact that people are better than AI. I could give a crap less about the items I lose.
EvE is about a pvp game as WoW is a sandbox. Remove docking inside stations, and stargates and you might have a legitimate pvp where it happens because it happens, instead of it happens only when someone expliots the game system to his advantage.
Im enjoying EVE (2 weeks in) but this is one of my concerns about pvp down the road. I enjoy solo pvp from time to time so I'm curious whether its even possible in EVE. My guess is most group up in corps and rarely go anywhere on their own in lowsec space...
My long term goal is to get into covert ops pvp and exploring eventually. Should I give up now before I learn months from now small scale pvp doesnt exist in EVE? lol
I havent been to lowsec yet but I'm assuming most just hang out at gates and wait for pvp? Open world exploration and pvp is my thing so if EVE doesnt offer this I dont expect to last very long here unfortionately.
Wardecs are so easy to evade it's laughable. I'll go in to how if you like.
Ya wardecks are easy to avoid but in lowsec space everyone is fair game no? In EVE is solo pvp even an option or can I forget about it. I don't want to skill up a solo pvp / exploring ship for lowsec space if theres no point...
It's reasonably easy to avoid being killed in lo-sec as well. Unless you do something super-dumb like jump a freighter in without a scout or webber, then there's not much need to fight unless you want to.
Solo pvp is certainly possible but get some general pvp experience first before you expect fireworks, there are plenty of fights to be had around low sec and npc 0.0 in cheap ships like Interceptors and Assault ships and frigs give you the best chance to avoid gangs or camps. Once you get the basics nailed down you can move onto bigger ships like BCs and more expensive ships like T3s, BCs give one of the best bang for buck ratios out of any ship class but are much larger and ships like a HAM Drake or nano Hurricane can be damn dangerous.
If you know how to use probes and can fly Amarrian recons a Pilgrim is a superb ship for solo wormhole pvp and is a good ship for selective targeting in sov 0.0 when going after alliance peons ratting in belts and sanctums and its cloaks means it can skulk around cloaked avoiding heat when needed.
If you can handle a ship get stuck in right away but if you have no pvp experience try joining a corp or getting some pvp lessons before getting expensive ships, the biggest hurdle is knowing what ships can and cant do and getting a feel for the different areas and who's around in which timezones and which corps will blob you or knowing who else is likely to be out solo looking for a fight.
Solo pvp can be incredibly frustrating, sometimes you cant find a suitable target or sometimes you get blobbed time after time but its easily the most rewarding form of pvp, just don't give up if it doesn't get well to start off because it doesn't always go well for the experienced players and as a newbie you have even more stacked against you until you get some experience.
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You mine and mission for isk? Why? Havent you heard of PLEX? The rest of the eve universe has ...
And where do you think kredits used to buy your PLEX ingame is coming from?
An average 10M SP miner will gain someting like 80M kredits per hour, and an average 10M SP missionruner will make about 30M kredits per L4 mission, wich will require 15/20 minutes...
If you're organized enough, generating the 350M a PLEX requires takes about 6hours...
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You mine and mission for isk? Why? Havent you heard of PLEX? The rest of the eve universe has ...
And where do you think kredits used to buy your PLEX ingame is coming from?
An average 10M SP miner will gain someting like 80M kredits per hour, and an average 10M SP missionruner will make about 30M kredits per L4 mission, wich will require 15/20 minutes...
If you're organized enough, generating the 350M a PLEX requires takes about 6hours...
Just FYI, the conditions in-game have changed somewhat since Halada published his mining guide. A single miner tops out at about 25M/hr, and that's assuming someone will do his hauling for free.
And most L4s dont make 30M either, although 10-20Mins/mission is about right
However you are correct in that if you approach the problem properly, you can grind enough ISK for a PLEX in about six hours. This equates to an hourly rate of $2.50, though. Unless you're the kind of person who enjoys the process, you're better off mowing your neighbour's lawns for cash to pay a subscription.
An average 10M SP miner will gain someting like 80M kredits per hour,[...].
Just FYI, the conditions in-game have changed somewhat since Halada published his mining guide. A single miner tops out at about 25M/hr, and that's assuming someone will do his hauling for free.
For the 80M kredits/hour, i'm assuming you're mining during an heavy operation, with orca hauler and compression rorqual back-ups, and POS-hangar, wich means you don't have to move from your nullsec belt. Of course, majority of miners won't have those back-ups, but when you're training yourself in order to be an efficient miner, you should look for an active industrial corporation, which should be able to provide regular minin ops.
Anyhow, if you're planning to be a real miner, you'll be efficient enough to sustain your account and an alt accounts throught PLEXes, and you'll use your alt account to do your hauling, so, you should at least expect the 25M/hour rate, which means you should be abble to pay your two accounts in about a week.
[PS] For those who are interested, a 10M SP industrial character has access to HulK, T2 mining modules for ores and Ices, an industrial skill at lvl V, and all the skills needed to perfect refine every ores (provided that he doesn't pay taxes to the station owner), and some trade and production skills...
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Grinding missions : after you ve done them all 3 or 4 times : boring
Explorations sites : not worth it
Trading : only if you love the idea of paying 15 bucks to play excel online
Manufacturing : T1 items is crap and for T2 items, you will never be able to compete with T2 BPO owners, when they used to seed BPO long time ago. If you have a vagabond or sleipnir BPO, you re sitting on a gold mine.
Killing NPC in belts : boring
PVP : if you think killing a turtle with a sledgehammer requires a lot of skils and is challenging, you will love eve online pvp, which is nothing more than a gankfest. In 0.0, you can also play capital ship online where apparently a system with 1500 people completely lagged to death is exrtemely fun or camp a gate for 3 hours .
Grinding missions : after you ve done them all 3 or 4 times : boring
Explorations sites : not worth it
Trading : only if you love the idea of paying 15 bucks to play excel online
Manufacturing : T1 items is crap and for T2 items, you will never be able to compete with T2 BPO owners, when they used to seed BPO long time ago. If you have a vagabond or sleipnir BPO, you re sitting on a gold mine.
Killing NPC in belts : boring
PVP : if you think killing a turtle with a sledgehammer requires a lot of skils and is challenging, you will love eve online pvp, which is nothing more than a gankfest. In 0.0, you can also play capital ship online where apparently a system with 1500 people completely lagged to death is exrtemely fun or camp a gate for 3 hours .
Bingo he gets it. Well till Dust comes out on consule, or they go to EU,US,Asian servers.
" Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Would Threaten It " MAGA
there's ice mining, moon mining, regular mining, mining on high sec, mining in low sec, mining in wormholes, mining in nullsec; it's more interesting if youre connected to a meaningful experience, such as owning and supporting your own space/corporation
Grinding missions : after you ve done them all 3 or 4 times : boring
agreed. but grinding missions alone is honestly silly given how much PVE this game has
Explorations sites : not worth it
youre obviously trolling. hacking, salvaging, wormholes, plexes, escalations, probing that leads to all this - all are done for profit, and if done in nullsec or lowsec can lead to pvp or the thrill of dodging it. profits from all of the above can be huge, which means funding pvp or your corporation
Trading : only if you love the idea of paying 15 bucks to play excel online
did you know that eve is free? with a few months of training you can do a variety of things to purchase game time with ingame currency that you raised. if you stay a clueless noob forever, then you will pay the monthly fee. additionally, eve is the only game in which you make everything from SCRATCH. with the addition of planetary interaction and wormholes, you can essentially PVE to obtain raw materials, research, produce more refined things and play market games to PVP
Manufacturing : T1 items is crap and for T2 items, you will never be able to compete with T2 BPO owners, when they used to seed BPO long time ago. If you have a vagabond or sleipnir BPO, you re sitting on a gold mine.
get your own blueprints and profit.
Killing NPC in belts : boring
again, this is just another form of PVE. why would you do this though? there are so many other ways to explore the space and make isk
PVP : if you think killing a turtle with a sledgehammer requires a lot of skils and is challenging, you will love eve online pvp, which is nothing more than a gankfest. In 0.0, you can also play capital ship online where apparently a system with 1500 people completely lagged to death is exrtemely fun or camp a gate for 3 hours .
eve is arguably the ONLY pvp-centric MMO on the market. EVERYTHING revolves around it, it drives the markets, the production, the research, the PVE. everything is truly connected, which is why eve is one of the only true sandbox titles on the market. the pvp itself is well balanced for the most part. depending on WHERE you go, you can experience fleet combat, blobbing, gate-camping, small gang warfare, solo pvp. some ways of pvp'ing suck, others are fun.
Additionnaly, you should try to trawl wow subsections, they have a lot more of fanboys, you'll have better results...
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Originally posted by Lysarion For the 80M kredits/hour, i'm assuming you're mining during an heavy operation, with orca hauler and compression rorqual back-ups, and POS-hangar, wich means you don't have to move from your nullsec belt.
The orca, rorqual and pos aren't free. Opportunity cost always has to be accounted for.
But even ignoring that, you're not getting close to 80m/h. Not since drone regions were introduced.
For the 80M kredits/hour, i'm assuming you're mining during an heavy operation, with orca hauler and compression rorqual back-ups, and POS-hangar, wich means you don't have to move from your nullsec belt.
The orca, rorqual and pos aren't free. Opportunity cost always has to be accounted for.
But even ignoring that, you're not getting close to 80m/h. Not since drone regions were introduced.
The 80m/hr comes from a time when Zydrine was 6k a unit. Now it's what? 1300?
The only reason EVE has a high rating is because its different from mainstream formula other MMOs use. That and there hasn't been a decent MMO for the past 5 years tbh. I've played EVE for almost a year, joined a good corp and ventured to nullsec number of times but eventually quit because I was bored. I've been spending enormous amount of time in EVE and had very little fun out of it. So...
What is EVE? a mediocre sandbox sci-fi MMO
What EVE is not? A MMO for casual players that seek some action/fun for an hour or two a day. In EVE everything takes hours to realize. Be ready to spend countless hours with your fleet searching for PvP which lasts 10-15 minutes at best.
For the 80M kredits/hour, i'm assuming you're mining during an heavy operation, with orca hauler and compression rorqual back-ups, and POS-hangar, wich means you don't have to move from your nullsec belt.
The orca, rorqual and pos aren't free. Opportunity cost always has to be accounted for.
But even ignoring that, you're not getting close to 80m/h. Not since drone regions were introduced.
The 80m/hr comes from a time when Zydrine was 6k a unit. Now it's what? 1300?
1080 in 0.8 where it's not easily accessible. Isn't the market great?
That is a component of the game, but it is not the only component and its hardly the most exciting component. The best of the game imo is 0.0 where its blobs and blobs.
Corrected to more accuratly depict the truth. Also to the OP; so you're saying in order to have fun you must be in some delusion to attack some other corp/alliance? I don't want parlor tricks or gimmicks or being delusioned to have fun, I just want the game to be fun. This game has so much potential too. Every now and then I have to remind myself of the previous points I've mentioned before resubbing.
For the 80M kredits/hour, i'm assuming you're mining during an heavy operation, with orca hauler and compression rorqual back-ups, and POS-hangar, wich means you don't have to move from your nullsec belt.
The orca, rorqual and pos aren't free. Opportunity cost always has to be accounted for.
But even ignoring that, you're not getting close to 80m/h. Not since drone regions were introduced.
You aren't kidding. I was in Etherium Reach when they introduced drones..and we made a killing on zyd/mega. Having come from Geminate, I thought the Ark/Bist/Crok would be fine, but the alloys was unbelievable good. In fairness, that ratting can cause you an aneurysm due to the lack of change. I was happy to leave.
Ofc the Russians were happy too..hahahaha.
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I am wondering where those monthly +200k ships lost in PVP comes from then...
Im enjoying EVE (2 weeks in) but this is one of my concerns about pvp down the road. I enjoy solo pvp from time to time so I'm curious whether its even possible in EVE. My guess is most group up in corps and rarely go anywhere on their own in lowsec space...
My long term goal is to get into covert ops pvp and exploring eventually. Should I give up now before I learn months from now small scale pvp doesnt exist in EVE? lol
I havent been to lowsec yet but I'm assuming most just hang out at gates and wait for pvp? Open world exploration and pvp is my thing so if EVE doesnt offer this I dont expect to last very long here unfortionately.
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
Wardecs are so easy to evade it's laughable. I'll go in to how if you like.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
LOL at the guy who likes PVP for the challenge of combatting real people instead of an AI but complains that he cant outsmart another player. Station camps can be beat . . . heard of insta-warp safe spots? Gate camps can be beat.
If you are going to claim that you like competition against people stop complain that they hard to beat. Perhaps what you mean is that the version of PVP you like is griefing carebears, industrialist, miners and other non-PVP focused players . . .
food for thought
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Ya wardecks are easy to avoid but in lowsec space everyone is fair game no? In EVE is solo pvp even an option or can I forget about it. I don't want to skill up a solo pvp / exploring ship for lowsec space if theres no point...
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
It's reasonably easy to avoid being killed in lo-sec as well. Unless you do something super-dumb like jump a freighter in without a scout or webber, then there's not much need to fight unless you want to.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Solo pvp is certainly possible but get some general pvp experience first before you expect fireworks, there are plenty of fights to be had around low sec and npc 0.0 in cheap ships like Interceptors and Assault ships and frigs give you the best chance to avoid gangs or camps. Once you get the basics nailed down you can move onto bigger ships like BCs and more expensive ships like T3s, BCs give one of the best bang for buck ratios out of any ship class but are much larger and ships like a HAM Drake or nano Hurricane can be damn dangerous.
If you know how to use probes and can fly Amarrian recons a Pilgrim is a superb ship for solo wormhole pvp and is a good ship for selective targeting in sov 0.0 when going after alliance peons ratting in belts and sanctums and its cloaks means it can skulk around cloaked avoiding heat when needed.
If you can handle a ship get stuck in right away but if you have no pvp experience try joining a corp or getting some pvp lessons before getting expensive ships, the biggest hurdle is knowing what ships can and cant do and getting a feel for the different areas and who's around in which timezones and which corps will blob you or knowing who else is likely to be out solo looking for a fight.
Solo pvp can be incredibly frustrating, sometimes you cant find a suitable target or sometimes you get blobbed time after time but its easily the most rewarding form of pvp, just don't give up if it doesn't get well to start off because it doesn't always go well for the experienced players and as a newbie you have even more stacked against you until you get some experience.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
You mine and mission for isk? Why? Havent you heard of PLEX? The rest of the eve universe has ...
A meaningful game? Sorry no, it ceased to be meaningful a long, long time ago.
And where do you think kredits used to buy your PLEX ingame is coming from?
An average 10M SP miner will gain someting like 80M kredits per hour, and an average 10M SP missionruner will make about 30M kredits per L4 mission, wich will require 15/20 minutes...
If you're organized enough, generating the 350M a PLEX requires takes about 6hours...
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(but feel free to explain my error if you want
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Just FYI, the conditions in-game have changed somewhat since Halada published his mining guide. A single miner tops out at about 25M/hr, and that's assuming someone will do his hauling for free.
And most L4s dont make 30M either, although 10-20Mins/mission is about right
However you are correct in that if you approach the problem properly, you can grind enough ISK for a PLEX in about six hours. This equates to an hourly rate of $2.50, though. Unless you're the kind of person who enjoys the process, you're better off mowing your neighbour's lawns for cash to pay a subscription.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
For the 80M kredits/hour, i'm assuming you're mining during an heavy operation, with orca hauler and compression rorqual back-ups, and POS-hangar, wich means you don't have to move from your nullsec belt.
Of course, majority of miners won't have those back-ups, but when you're training yourself in order to be an efficient miner, you should look for an active industrial corporation, which should be able to provide regular minin ops.
Anyhow, if you're planning to be a real miner, you'll be efficient enough to sustain your account and an alt accounts throught PLEXes, and you'll use your alt account to do your hauling, so, you should at least expect the 25M/hour rate, which means you should be abble to pay your two accounts in about a week.
[PS] For those who are interested, a 10M SP industrial character has access to HulK, T2 mining modules for ores and Ices, an industrial skill at lvl V, and all the skills needed to perfect refine every ores (provided that he doesn't pay taxes to the station owner), and some trade and production skills...
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Activities to do in eve :
Mining : boring
Grinding missions : after you ve done them all 3 or 4 times : boring
Explorations sites : not worth it
Trading : only if you love the idea of paying 15 bucks to play excel online
Manufacturing : T1 items is crap and for T2 items, you will never be able to compete with T2 BPO owners, when they used to seed BPO long time ago. If you have a vagabond or sleipnir BPO, you re sitting on a gold mine.
Killing NPC in belts : boring
PVP : if you think killing a turtle with a sledgehammer requires a lot of skils and is challenging, you will love eve online pvp, which is nothing more than a gankfest. In 0.0, you can also play capital ship online where apparently a system with 1500 people completely lagged to death is exrtemely fun or camp a gate for 3 hours .
Bingo he gets it. Well till Dust comes out on consule, or they go to EU,US,Asian servers.
MAGA
Totally agreeing with sonoggi.
Additionnaly, you should try to trawl wow subsections, they have a lot more of fanboys, you'll have better results...
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The orca, rorqual and pos aren't free. Opportunity cost always has to be accounted for.
But even ignoring that, you're not getting close to 80m/h. Not since drone regions were introduced.
The 80m/hr comes from a time when Zydrine was 6k a unit. Now it's what? 1300?
Give me liberty or give me lasers
The only reason EVE has a high rating is because its different from mainstream formula other MMOs use. That and there hasn't been a decent MMO for the past 5 years tbh. I've played EVE for almost a year, joined a good corp and ventured to nullsec number of times but eventually quit because I was bored. I've been spending enormous amount of time in EVE and had very little fun out of it. So...
What is EVE? a mediocre sandbox sci-fi MMO
What EVE is not? A MMO for casual players that seek some action/fun for an hour or two a day. In EVE everything takes hours to realize. Be ready to spend countless hours with your fleet searching for PvP which lasts 10-15 minutes at best.
1080 in 0.8 where it's not easily accessible. Isn't the market great?
Corrected to more accuratly depict the truth. Also to the OP; so you're saying in order to have fun you must be in some delusion to attack some other corp/alliance? I don't want parlor tricks or gimmicks or being delusioned to have fun, I just want the game to be fun. This game has so much potential too. Every now and then I have to remind myself of the previous points I've mentioned before resubbing.
You aren't kidding. I was in Etherium Reach when they introduced drones..and we made a killing on zyd/mega. Having come from Geminate, I thought the Ark/Bist/Crok would be fine, but the alloys was unbelievable good. In fairness, that ratting can cause you an aneurysm due to the lack of change. I was happy to leave.
Ofc the Russians were happy too..hahahaha.
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Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die
Hiatus: EvE
Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh)
Interested in: better games in general