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Is WoW falling apart?
mastersomrat
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First, I heard Blizzard lost over half it’s subscriber base bringing it somewhere in the 5.5 range. Then, with Cata, I have many friends stating that their tired of the same old grind and have either canceled their subscriptions or are in the process of it. Now if all this wasn’t unsettling enough, we have entire guilds that have pre-ordered Rift.
Does anyone know if Blizzard did in fact loss a good portion of their subs? Anyone know if future WoW expansions will be anything else than level some more? Any info helpful.
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Well they just recorded 12 Million subs... Unless in the last month the lost that. Personally on my realm (Area 52) and in my guild only five people plan to leave for Rift.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
it might be true that many people cancelled WoW sub, but thats very different than blizz losing half subscriptions lol which i highly doubt.... many WoW players preordered Rift but how many already cancelled the preorder? aaaah thats another question with a "many" as an answer..... WoW is still as strong as ever, subscription rate go up and down like any other mmorpg ever since people sub, cancel, resub, and so on.
i personally canceled my WoW sub recently cos i need a new job, i preordered Rift and will play the free month and maybe 1 more month (not sure), cos im still planning to resub WoW when i stabilize my income
Well, they lost half their subs a while back when wow was banned in china or w/e, got them back when it was brought back. But I really do believe wow's reign is coming to an end this time....like for realz. I don't think Rift will kill it, but I simply think with all the new mmo's coming out, alot of them big names and some of them next-gen(well hopefully), WoW is simply goingto be beaten down bit by bit. I think it will definitely still be a mmo contender , a few millions subs, not what is has now.
Couple that with the fact that cata pissed off alot of people who were wotlk casuals, and that class balance right now is just embarassing, and that for whatever reason they made cata really grindy, I think it really will get knocked down a knotch or two in the next two years with the release of rift, tera, gw2, and tor. I hear it in wow chat, ppl starting to talk about rift or tor, and i have a feeling once the buzz picks up for these games with ads and currently disgruntled wow players, it will go together like jam and butter. I could be wrong, but I dont really care, at this point im just waiting for those 4 mmos+archage online.
In all honesty think about this. Blizzard claims to have 12 million active subs? Yet they talk about the record 4.4 million sold copies of cataclysm? What about the 7.6 million other "active" subs? Clearly by blizzards own admission in a round about way they have not bought cataclysm? Somethings not right there. Not trolling just looking at hard facts as far as numbers blizzard themselves put out.
In China...
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I think WoW will start to lose quite some players during this year with all the shiny new mmo's coming out. This is just the first phase with Rift on it's way. We still have a few shots with TERA bringing innovative combat and 2 big names Guild Wars 2 and SWTOR.
Cataclysm hasn't been released in China yet, and there are still players not buying the latest expansion pack (very casual players for instance).
Exactly but some will bring up the fact that Blizzard has yet to release in China which is true but their model is way different than ours and because Blizzard's definition of subscribers it allows them (well atleastt hey think it does) to include them as subscribers. WoW is not falling apart yet but between TOR, GW2 and Blizzard's new mmo it is all but done. It had it's days in the sun and I'm sure it will have a few more good moments but it just is time for something new.
I continue to find it amusing that every time a (substandard) new MMO comes out or is in beta people cry that the sky is falling with WoW.
It's amusing because even if they lost half of their subscriber base - which they won't - they'd still be larger than the next top AAA titles combined.
If there's one game out there whos longevity I'm not worried about, it's World of Warcraft. Criminy, people, Everquest 1 is still around and kicking.
And... um, if you've actually played Rift or any of these "new" MMOs I don't think you'd be too worried that they're going to "steal" players from WoW anytime soon. I played the Rift beta and was uninspired to say the least.
i always believed that game companies include non active subscriptions among the active ones when giving a subscription rate to the public so it looks more than it actually is actively playing.... but yeah blizz has many millions of subs, cata sold like 3.5 millions in 1 day, it went up to 4.4 i thin as of now.... i know a lot of ppl that plays wow and dont have cataclysm (planning to get it ) one of my ex guild mates even had only the up to the burning crusade coz didnt have the money to buy the Xpacs along with the subscription..... many ppl are in those shoes as well, im pretty sure about that.... and that doesnt mean the wouldnt get cata so..... they might / might not get it
I wish they had the same subscription models here. Having to pick which game you want to play this month is crazyness
. (and it favors WoW big time in the West)
Hell i still play acheron's call 1 and that flipping old , and just for record Wow aint going anywhere for a very very very long time and just to laugh abit servers for Diablo1 and Diablo2 are still going , some thing just dont die!
I use to play on Area 52.. awesome Horde server....
But yah idk, there is always 2 sides to every story. I just got off the phone with a friend of mine I haven't talked with in a while, and he wants to come and try WoW out, he played it once before but not much, so wer are gonna play together a bit later. People are always leaving, but people are always coming in as well it seems.
I will play Rift at lauch but I will probably still play WoW also.
Another 'the sky is falling on WoW!' topic number 9999123 just before another similar game is released.
*yawn*
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I know, right? I remember WoW was going to die off (on the MMORPG.COM forums, at least) with Warhammer Online... with Aion... now with Rift (which is a total laugh) - I think that the Mayan Apocalypse happening and destroying the world in 2012 is about the most likely event to dethrone WoW... until Blizzard comes out with their next MMO.
(And even then I have a strong feeling WoW's gonna be around for at least a decade after that, if not longer.)
The people who are bitter/burnt out/angry at WoW desperately WANT another MMO to come along that will substantially decrease its subscriber base, but it just isn't going to happen.
I don't even like WoW but this is a stupid post. It's just conjecture.
Nope, just you and your fail logic.
I'm not even too convinced the 2012 events will end this behemoth, lol
No but seriously it does seem like a trend that posts like this show up close to competing MMOs launching. I myself play WoW and will be getting Rift at launch, however I will stay subbed to WoW. I don't see this game going anywhere anytime soon.
We know that even if people do leave to go on their ways in Telara or where ever, soon as we here a new content patch is rolling around, most people will migrate right back.
Hmmm, I don't know.
Of course, you're right in that WoW isn't going anywhere. But I'd be surprised if all the upcoming MMO's didn't cause a drop off in sub numbers in WoW for at least the 2011 period. Even if it'd be for each new MMO 3-6 months, then that would mean the majority of months that a lot of MMO gamers will play at least 1 of these new MMO's, and a considerable part of that number that will cancel their current sub for that time period, whether that'll be WoW, Aion, etc.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
In China, WoW players pay for chunks of time. As of 2007, factoring in the buying power of currency, Chinese players were paying the equivalent of 25 cents per hour. WoW China players pay the equivalent of $15 a month for 60 hours of gameplay, which translates to roughly 2 hours a day. Aside from the ultra-casual, many WoW China players are paying more of their income than you are.
The flaw in this logic is that for many players, WoW is their first MMO and last.
'only 30% go beyond level 10' -Blizz CEO
So where does the other 70% go? It certainly does not say in the MMO genre as the MMO market is not 36 Million+ players.
People try their first MMO WoW (cause MMO = WOW right now to the general public) and either play that or leave the genre completely, at least the vast majority does.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
yeah but currency in china has a different value than dollar in US.... we pay 15 a month and they pay 15 for 2 hours... but they get 15 chinese bucks (forgot the name of their currency) easier than we get 15 dollars...... same thing comparing US to my country, something cost 10k peso in my country ,and the same thing in US cost the equivalent which is US$ 300, however in US u earn $300 in one week, and in my country you earn US$300 ( $10k peso) in one month
No they won't cancel, because the vast majority will not abandon they characters and the game they played for years and years to play the exact same copy from scratch again.
This has been something a lot, I mean a lot of mmorpg.com members simply don't get.
Suppose you love to play chess, you play chess 4 hours a day for 5 years in a row. Then a new game comes along that plays like chess, but with slighlty different rules. Of course this new game will be "experimented" with for a few weeks, but people are clustered to playing WOW for a long time now.
Only that portion that is really really really tired of WOW is posting on mmorpg.com and hyping new fantasy games, but if - by now - you didn't see that those "new" copies will hardly go anywhere, you'll never see it.
It doesn't matter, because in the end the chess player will play chess again, since it is the classic one.
The huge number of WOW players simply assures that in the passing of time those copies really never had a chance to succeed in multi millions anyway. Rift will follow the road of AoC, Tr, War, Aion, ST, CO, DCO, ....
Polish or "good" or "fantastic" has notthing to do with it. The standard was set 6 years ago and that standard simply has the complete market in its hand.
You can cry about it, dream about, scream about it, hate the damned thing, but the copy will never replace chess.
I played wow since closed beta up till cataclysm, i quited.
Reason:
Community went from bad to worse ever since TBC
WOTLK baby's whining about evrything and nothing
Cataclysm fails to deliver what previous expansions deliverd......and thats fun.
Core class mechanics changed due to PVP balance, things ingame that has been like this for 5 years or longer just get changed all of a sudden.
Massive class balance ruining the game, in the name of Esport.....
Low level damage is nothing but 2 shotting
have around 6 level 85's got 1 character fully geared in pvp set, but cant be arsed to stand in 30 min queue's for 1 pvp game and get 35 honor.....when 1 piece costs around 2400 lol.
Wow had its glory and it will go downhill from here very very fast.
Ashame tough, as WoW had one of the best community's ever in an mmo back in 2004.
It's not going to die, but it's heyday is definately over.
The community I'm part of plays many MMO's, WoW and EVE being the 2 most popular that we support, but since last week 10 WoW members have cancelled their subs, not to play Rift, but due to having very little to do in WoW, and when I mean little to do I'm talking about NEW things to do, not grind out another alt or repeat the same dungeon to grind out Justice points.
Cata was an OK expac, nothing amazing, I found the underwater zone annoying as hell and couldn't wait to get out of it, like may others in my guild, but it's just alot of the same, so those that had come back to see the expac have already gone once they hit max lvl, and the rest just do as they did before, grind grind grind.
There are some nice shiny MMO's coming out, but none will kill WoW, they may surpass it (Fingers crossed SWTOR is that title) but so long as Blizzard are happy with a certain revenue turnover then the game will remain live and supported, or even just live like Vanguard, it's just a darn shame Blizzard expax schedule is so bloody stingy, if they could up the pace in pumping out new content then perhaps they could remain top dog for many more years, I truly believe this is probably their last year of customer growth, it will probably platuea and then decline next year.