We all know that this game is a rip from all other of the same genre however its a great game for PVP, if you normally lead towards PVE then I would suggest PVP.
We all know that this game is a rip from all other of the same genre however its a great game for PVP, if you normally lead towards PVE then I would suggest PVP.
btw I am normally PVE.
im going to be honest. If Rift has some meaningful pvp at end game, i probably would enjoy the game more. Not a fan of Rift, but I need my pvp fix, so if it has some decent pvp, I might change my stance on the game a bit. Wish I knew more about the pvp.
No simply No. If your PvE and you have played that way for a long time stick to it unless you are prepared for PvP.
1. You will be ganked taunted ambuhed and double teamed by players way higher than you with better gear. Nad they will brag about it (some will).
2. Your PvE will suffer as often you will get ganked with a mob on you.
3. The server forums will digress to little more than an arguement over griefing and bragging kills.
4. It will measure you because no matter how good you are there is a veteran PvP player a step ahead.
5. PvE players who go PvP tend to complain to no end and wonder why they get griefed so much. Complain to the devs and ruin it for the gankers who in turn complain or /quit etc etc the never ending sh*t cycle.
So if your PvE and you have loved it all this time then likely it best to just stay with it.
I couldn't care less about Rift. But I do agree that everyone should take a stab at pvp to see if they enjoy it. Jump into the deep end people, see if you float.
No simply No. If your PvE and you have played that way for a long time stick to it unless you are prepared for PvP.
1. You will be ganked taunted ambuhed and double teamed by players way higher than you with better gear. Nad they will brag about it (some will).
Anyone can do this. And who cares about internet bragging?
2. Your PvE will suffer as often you will get ganked with a mob on you.
That just adds another layer of excitement and adds a legitimate sense of danger.
3. The server forums will digress to little more than an arguement over griefing and bragging kills.
Who cares? If people are that wrapped up in the forums then they aren't playing the game.
4. It will measure you because no matter how good you are there is a veteran PvP player a step ahead.
Ummm...welcome to life? That logic could be expanded to pve and still be a meaningless sentiment.
5. PvE players who go PvP tend to complain to no end and wonder why they get griefed so much. Complain to the devs and ruin it for the gankers who in turn complain or /quit etc etc the never ending sh*t cycle.
This is true I'll give you that.
So if your PvE and you have loved it all this time then likely it best to just stay with it.
I agree that some of these things can happen but you're suggesting that to not try is better than failing. Learning from that failure and succeeding later on is very gratifying. I think people are unnecessarily afraid of pvp but in reality the pentalites for death are not even severe. Give it a shot. You can always roll on a pve server if it turns out to be that inconvenient.
Fortunately, Rift allows consensual PvP on the PvE servers.
I often wonder why they don't remove the arena style PvP from full on PvP servers. Frankly just not needed there. I am not sure right now PvP can be quite fun if it 'works' but if it doesn't it's just easier to go carebear. Have they published details of the ruleset for PvP servers?
Fortunately, Rift allows consensual PvP on the PvE servers.
I always liked this method of PvP, It means you cant complain if you get attacked and yet if you are getting annoyed you can take a break from PvP. Also means high levels can't bully low levels, which is nice. Something for everyone.
Ummm...welcome to life? That logic could be expanded to pve and still be a meaningless sentiment.
Haha! Great turn of the phrase ! Spot on!
"It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth -- and listen to the song of that syren, till she transforms us into beasts. ... Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not?" --Patrick Henry
Fortunately, Rift allows consensual PvP on the PvE servers.
Which is great in my opinion. That way you can participate if you want or simply avoid it like the plague if it isn't your thing.
Not sure why some refuse to ever PvP though or have any semblance of it at all in the game. I can certainly understand someone not having it be their main preference. However, it does amaze me when someone refuses to even try it out or participate in it. Just seems like they're stunting their own gaming experience but that's just me I suppose.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I might try PvP in Rift, but I'm going to do it from the safety of my PvE server. I tend to play in different "modes", especially in Rift. If I want to do rifts, then I tend to do only that (and actively chase down any rifts, invasions or tears when I do so). If I want to do some PvE questing, then I do only that - I prefer not having my gameplay disrupted by other players trying to gank me at every turn.
I see the "element of danger and excitement" argument used a lot for that sort of thing - Maybe it just isn't for me (which is why I stay on PvE servers), but I think it's a bullshit argument. I have better things to do with my time than to open myself up to griefing from players acting like malicious 12-year olds who get their jollies just from ruining other people's game play experience. Sure, there are quite possibly a lot of "proper" pvp players that do PvP to add some meaning to their games. But there are also enough annoying little asshats that think griefing is the pinnacle of gaming, that it's just not worth it for me.
If I wanted to be killed by other players (and have a proper, even-footing chance to kill them right back), then I'd go play a competitive online FPS instead, thankyouverymuch.
A group of us from work are going to roll on a PvP server, and probably on a PvE server too. I can't think of a time when I didn't enjoy PvP, but at the same time, I've never really been in a situation where I couldn't turn in any of my quests either. I'm not sure it matters to me.
One thing that would concern me is the faction balance on the PvP servers. Having a 70/30 split could seriously gimp things for the weaker faction, and remove a lot of the fun for the stronger faction. I haven't seen any information on how they plan on handling it, if they plan on handling it at all.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
No simply No. If your PvE and you have played that way for a long time stick to it unless you are prepared for PvP.
1. You will be ganked taunted ambuhed and double teamed by players way higher than you with better gear. Nad they will brag about it (some will).
Anyone can do this. And who cares about internet bragging?
2. Your PvE will suffer as often you will get ganked with a mob on you.
That just adds another layer of excitement and adds a legitimate sense of danger.
3. The server forums will digress to little more than an arguement over griefing and bragging kills.
Who cares? If people are that wrapped up in the forums then they aren't playing the game.
4. It will measure you because no matter how good you are there is a veteran PvP player a step ahead.
Ummm...welcome to life? That logic could be expanded to pve and still be a meaningless sentiment.
5. PvE players who go PvP tend to complain to no end and wonder why they get griefed so much. Complain to the devs and ruin it for the gankers who in turn complain or /quit etc etc the never ending sh*t cycle.
This is true I'll give you that.
So if your PvE and you have loved it all this time then likely it best to just stay with it.
I agree that some of these things can happen but you're suggesting that to not try is better than failing. Learning from that failure and succeeding later on is very gratifying. I think people are unnecessarily afraid of pvp but in reality the pentalites for death are not even severe. Give it a shot. You can always roll on a pve server if it turns out to be that inconvenient.
Hold up a sec. I will play on a pvp server and while we can discuss the merits of a point counter point I really dont care to do that. I am not going to tell PvE players to come ot a PvP server and down play the reality of it just so I can have pk fodder. Most of what you said deals with your personal feeling rather than what actually happens they b*tch they wine and they complain about griefing. The last thing any PvP player wants is to deal with that sh*t all over again. "Ummm...welcome to life? That logic could be expanded to pve and still be a meaningless sentiment." Tell that to the new PvP player whos progression gets halted by the constant ganking I guarantee they wont listen thats life. You can preach to the choir all day with me but dont convince the sheep to come play with wolves. "You can always roll on a pve server if it turns out to be that inconvenient." save them the trouble just roll a PvE server.
I am typically a PvE player, who likes to dabble in PvP. But I'll never roll on a PvP server, it's just not going to happen. I want my PvP encounters to somewhat approximate Fairness. And that isn't the norm for PvP servers. In fact I'd say the "PvP servers" will get neutered after a few months of shenanigans. Then most of the players who can't help but grief other players will abandon the game.
See I personally know several people who love to grief other players. I don't understand why, even though I accpet them as they are (damn sure can't change them...). These guys would even PK other members of their own faction if they could. They have no sense of "sportsman-like conduct", their joy arrises from the pain of others. Seriously, stimulating rage, and frustration, in others is their goal. And they are incapable of understanding, or accpeting, the consequences.
They won't participate in Instanced Combat with those of their level. Well Unless they have some exploit that garauntees victory. And about the only thing thats as effective at getting them to quit a game, as denying them the opportunity to greif, is if the other players devise a strategy to consistently defeat them. Its really pathetic! And I don't "invite" them to play ANY game I want to play myself. I'm even ashamed to admit that I'm willing to be their friend in real life...
The bottom line is this: Knowing some of these players personally... I simply don't put myself in a position where they can grief me. I don't like it when people try to manipulate my emotions.
There's a bunch of people like me out there too, who likes both PVP and PVE pretty equal. Still waiting for some mmorpg to bring a world where there is about 2/3 PVE zones for the times when you just want to relax, being able to afk irl, and grind quests uninterrupted after a hard days work, and 1/3 PVP zones to go get that world PVP fix half the time.
So far I have had toons in other games on both PVE and PVP servers, but I'd rather have one server suitable for both needs without being an absolute-end PVE only or PVP only world. I wonder why a hybrid realm has never been tried before, it would promote "pure" people of both "camps" to try the other aspect a bit more seriously propably too, without forcing completely either ruleset.
I'll propably go PVE server first to get to know the game and the setting, and if I find my self staying any longer might aswell hop onto a PVP server too... Just give the damn hybrid realm
Fortunately, Rift allows consensual PvP on the PvE servers.
I often wonder why they don't remove the arena style PvP from full on PvP servers. Frankly just not needed there. I am not sure right now PvP can be quite fun if it 'works' but if it doesn't it's just easier to go carebear. Have they published details of the ruleset for PvP servers?
There is some good advice in here. I love pvp, but only when I want it so I do it on PVE server. I tried pvp on the open pvp server and it's just like some others have said, if you like getting spanked by those many levels above you for their sheer enjoyment, then have it. I have been spanked and have done the spanking. It's old really fast both ways.
I really dont care though for the PVP in rift. Not how it is now anyway. I will wait a few months after the dust settles and see what server pops are like and such. The pve alone is not enough to justify the cost and sub for me.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
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im going to be honest. If Rift has some meaningful pvp at end game, i probably would enjoy the game more. Not a fan of Rift, but I need my pvp fix, so if it has some decent pvp, I might change my stance on the game a bit. Wish I knew more about the pvp.
Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea I could try PvP in Rift, since I prefer PvE.
This post was really an eye opener for me
No simply No. If your PvE and you have played that way for a long time stick to it unless you are prepared for PvP.
1. You will be ganked taunted ambuhed and double teamed by players way higher than you with better gear. Nad they will brag about it (some will).
2. Your PvE will suffer as often you will get ganked with a mob on you.
3. The server forums will digress to little more than an arguement over griefing and bragging kills.
4. It will measure you because no matter how good you are there is a veteran PvP player a step ahead.
5. PvE players who go PvP tend to complain to no end and wonder why they get griefed so much. Complain to the devs and ruin it for the gankers who in turn complain or /quit etc etc the never ending sh*t cycle.
So if your PvE and you have loved it all this time then likely it best to just stay with it.
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Fortunately, Rift allows consensual PvP on the PvE servers.
I often wonder why they don't remove the arena style PvP from full on PvP servers. Frankly just not needed there. I am not sure right now PvP can be quite fun if it 'works' but if it doesn't it's just easier to go carebear. Have they published details of the ruleset for PvP servers?
I love PvP but only consensual PvP. So am sticking to the PvE server.
And remember it's a game. Don't kick your dog over a pvp death.
I always liked this method of PvP, It means you cant complain if you get attacked and yet if you are getting annoyed you can take a break from PvP. Also means high levels can't bully low levels, which is nice. Something for everyone.
Haha! Great turn of the phrase ! Spot on!
"It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth -- and listen to the song of that syren, till she transforms us into beasts. ... Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not?" --Patrick Henry
I am trying a PvP server during headstart to try and get a jump on everyone else who start March 1st.
Which is great in my opinion. That way you can participate if you want or simply avoid it like the plague if it isn't your thing.
Not sure why some refuse to ever PvP though or have any semblance of it at all in the game. I can certainly understand someone not having it be their main preference. However, it does amaze me when someone refuses to even try it out or participate in it. Just seems like they're stunting their own gaming experience but that's just me I suppose.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I will stay on pve server, i prefer to be able to choose when i want to pvp. But i think i will spend good deal of time pvping its just different.
i find 5vs5, 10 vs 10 etc of closely even levels more fun then i find open world pvp where you have 5vs10 or high vs low lvls
I might try PvP in Rift, but I'm going to do it from the safety of my PvE server. I tend to play in different "modes", especially in Rift. If I want to do rifts, then I tend to do only that (and actively chase down any rifts, invasions or tears when I do so). If I want to do some PvE questing, then I do only that - I prefer not having my gameplay disrupted by other players trying to gank me at every turn.
I see the "element of danger and excitement" argument used a lot for that sort of thing - Maybe it just isn't for me (which is why I stay on PvE servers), but I think it's a bullshit argument. I have better things to do with my time than to open myself up to griefing from players acting like malicious 12-year olds who get their jollies just from ruining other people's game play experience. Sure, there are quite possibly a lot of "proper" pvp players that do PvP to add some meaning to their games. But there are also enough annoying little asshats that think griefing is the pinnacle of gaming, that it's just not worth it for me.
If I wanted to be killed by other players (and have a proper, even-footing chance to kill them right back), then I'd go play a competitive online FPS instead, thankyouverymuch.
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A group of us from work are going to roll on a PvP server, and probably on a PvE server too. I can't think of a time when I didn't enjoy PvP, but at the same time, I've never really been in a situation where I couldn't turn in any of my quests either. I'm not sure it matters to me.
One thing that would concern me is the faction balance on the PvP servers. Having a 70/30 split could seriously gimp things for the weaker faction, and remove a lot of the fun for the stronger faction. I haven't seen any information on how they plan on handling it, if they plan on handling it at all.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Hold up a sec. I will play on a pvp server and while we can discuss the merits of a point counter point I really dont care to do that. I am not going to tell PvE players to come ot a PvP server and down play the reality of it just so I can have pk fodder. Most of what you said deals with your personal feeling rather than what actually happens they b*tch they wine and they complain about griefing. The last thing any PvP player wants is to deal with that sh*t all over again. "Ummm...welcome to life? That logic could be expanded to pve and still be a meaningless sentiment." Tell that to the new PvP player whos progression gets halted by the constant ganking I guarantee they wont listen thats life. You can preach to the choir all day with me but dont convince the sheep to come play with wolves. "You can always roll on a pve server if it turns out to be that inconvenient." save them the trouble just roll a PvE server.
I am typically a PvE player, who likes to dabble in PvP. But I'll never roll on a PvP server, it's just not going to happen. I want my PvP encounters to somewhat approximate Fairness. And that isn't the norm for PvP servers. In fact I'd say the "PvP servers" will get neutered after a few months of shenanigans. Then most of the players who can't help but grief other players will abandon the game.
See I personally know several people who love to grief other players. I don't understand why, even though I accpet them as they are (damn sure can't change them...). These guys would even PK other members of their own faction if they could. They have no sense of "sportsman-like conduct", their joy arrises from the pain of others. Seriously, stimulating rage, and frustration, in others is their goal. And they are incapable of understanding, or accpeting, the consequences.
They won't participate in Instanced Combat with those of their level. Well Unless they have some exploit that garauntees victory. And about the only thing thats as effective at getting them to quit a game, as denying them the opportunity to greif, is if the other players devise a strategy to consistently defeat them. Its really pathetic! And I don't "invite" them to play ANY game I want to play myself. I'm even ashamed to admit that I'm willing to be their friend in real life...
The bottom line is this: Knowing some of these players personally... I simply don't put myself in a position where they can grief me. I don't like it when people try to manipulate my emotions.
First time my beta PVE mage topped a kill/favor chart in a warfront it was a good feeling I'll admit. Maybe I'll roll a PvP toon for the hell of it!
Occasionally, my shih-tzu is sitting in my lap when I play. She gives me +10 to armor and +5% dps!
There's a bunch of people like me out there too, who likes both PVP and PVE pretty equal. Still waiting for some mmorpg to bring a world where there is about 2/3 PVE zones for the times when you just want to relax, being able to afk irl, and grind quests uninterrupted after a hard days work, and 1/3 PVP zones to go get that world PVP fix half the time.
So far I have had toons in other games on both PVE and PVP servers, but I'd rather have one server suitable for both needs without being an absolute-end PVE only or PVP only world. I wonder why a hybrid realm has never been tried before, it would promote "pure" people of both "camps" to try the other aspect a bit more seriously propably too, without forcing completely either ruleset.
I'll propably go PVE server first to get to know the game and the setting, and if I find my self staying any longer might aswell hop onto a PVP server too... Just give the damn hybrid realm
There is no "arena style" PvP in Rift.
WF = BG, but no arenas.
No thanx.
I can't help but imagine that she has a really good "taunt" as well! ;-)
There is some good advice in here. I love pvp, but only when I want it so I do it on PVE server. I tried pvp on the open pvp server and it's just like some others have said, if you like getting spanked by those many levels above you for their sheer enjoyment, then have it. I have been spanked and have done the spanking. It's old really fast both ways.
I really dont care though for the PVP in rift. Not how it is now anyway. I will wait a few months after the dust settles and see what server pops are like and such. The pve alone is not enough to justify the cost and sub for me.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.