People kill each other over sports teams, skin color, who the other person bones, who the other person doesn't bone, Gods, women, men, land, money, drugs, who they vote for, who they voted for, traffic, boredom... abit of misplaced anger or rage when you can do it through magic tubes seems about reasonable.
I have been a very big fan of the MMO genre, especially UO, EQ, and DAoC. Yet if someone attacks any of these, I tend to agree on their faults, not lie to myself "My game was perfect! Who dares challenge me personally?"
So it is really hard for me to understand the "sensitive gamer" or why the "old school" small community composed of long-time veterans (EQ1, DAoC current, etc.) are so sensitive towards their game.
Its pretty simple really.
MMORPGs are unlike other games because you need other people to play with you and those kinds of games will inevitably die when people lose interest. Those same sensitive people you talk about would probably not care if you were trash talking solo-player games since they can still play it if people do not like it.
People talking trash about an MMORPG can take it away from people who love it how it is. It hurts to lose things that you love. You may understand more when you lose a game that other people do not love it as much as you. You may understand more when your favorite game is dumbed down to cater to people whining about things that you enjoy.
Keep playing MMORPGs and this will happen to you as well if you ever find something that you enjoy a lot. If people are trash-talking a game that you like it is hard not to get upset at them as you watch it kill your favorite game.
We fanbois have to stick together if we do not want our games ruined by crybabies who only wanted to play the game for a month or two anyways.
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With my recent visit to Everquest 1, as well as noticing a lot of posts on these forums full of rash assumptions and logical conclusions which can only boggle the mind as to how they came to think that way, it is quite clear there are some... sensitive gamers.
Why do you think this is?
You may log into Everquest 1 and make one mere observation, such as... "Did it take this long to level in Original Everquest?" and you will be met by a ****storm of attacks and lashes. Reply with "Sorry, I wasn't complaining, I was just curious." and even more will join in, demanding silence of the newcomer.
Go to a forum here or post normally, and any observation on a MMORPG or concept will immediately have those in favor of said MMO or concept immediately attack you, put words inside of your mouth, and assume that "It took 4 hours to level" means "I want WoW EZ mode pwease, pwease, I can't stand to have challenge I'm a big gerber baby!" and they will see "I didn't like [MMO], it just wasn't my thing." as several personal attacks to their individual character, transforming "I dislike the game." into "I hateYOU!"
I have been a very big fan of the MMO genre, especially UO, EQ, and DAoC. Yet if someone attacks any of these, I tend to agree on their faults, not lie to myself "My game was perfect! Who dares challenge me personally?"
So it is really hard for me to understand the "sensitive gamer" or why the "old school" small community composed of long-time veterans (EQ1, DAoC current, etc.) are so sensitive towards their game.
After all... if someone is playing Everquest 1 and observes that leveling is slower than it used to be in 1999, or have their own opinion that it is "a little too slow, although I don't want it to be too fast", they are PLAYING it right? Obviously they like it if they're playing it. If they were complaining, they wouldn't be playing. So what gives?
From my experience and understanding, a lot of gamers are in denial constantly, and it doesn't have to be only about MMOs, but also real-life. The simple fact of criticizing something they like, triggers a hateful reaction, even if the point raised was valid. By speaking out on certain issues, you're creating a conflict which triggers a denial from the players, who simply do not wish to hear anything outside of what they believe, and even go as far as labelling the user as "Troll" or using hateful comment to discredit or "scare" the user.
This behavior seem to be further amplified by the lack of moderation in certain forums and in-game, where any negative threads will be closed/deleted for "Trolling" or get the user blocked/banned, while the overly fanatics often derailing those threads with insults continues to roam free. Basically creating some sort of "Bubble" around the fanatics. In a way, developers/publishers are nurturing these behaviors as it often allows them to get more people to buy their games, even if they leave a week later.
Well, I went back to EQ and asked some 'stupid' questions (had been years ago that I played EQ, took some time to figure stuff out until I thought that I might as well ask in OOC), also I asked the same question about the slow leveling since I remembered the discussions.
In total I got a 2 'this isn't WoW' comments, a few helpful comments that provided answers I was looking for, and a few comments that were fooling around, more of a noncommittal nature.
Now, I bet that's the kind of mixed response you'll encounter in any MMORPG, some good, some bad, some inbetween.
I think it's more about perception or what people focus on, some have the tendency to stand still with the bad comments, ignoring the good or neutral comments, the 'bad' becoming larger and larger in their mind, while others are inclined to do the reverse.
When I encounter people getting smart ass or rude as for example in 'this isnt WoW' or 'go back to WoW' I think 'jerk' and if needed ask the question again, my attention directed towards the comments I find useful. The badmouthers are only a blip on my radar, often quickly forgotten within a minute, because in most cases it's often only a handful that are like that, the vast majority just being normal or neutral.
Besides, you can often steer the nature of how people give their replies into the desired result, simply in how you word things.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
It amazes me after over a decade of being a hardcore forum member to the internet as well as MMO gamer, I have still not learned the obvious:
Obvious trolls are obvious. LOL!
I am easily baited in some of my more frustrated moods. It takes me awhile to realize "Wait... this guy is 13 years old in his mind... STOP talking to him and just leave!"
If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
I played EVE online for about 9 months and quit because I realized the game was just one big time sink full of griefers. Fanbois attacked me when I felt that way stating I didn't play the game long enough to give it a review of any sort. Apparently you have to play EVE for a year or more to really get into it lol hahaha
I think it's the losers who dedicate years of playing one MMO with no life that will go on the offensive if you say anything bad about their holy game.
Originally posted by M00nk3y For those of you who were looking for the basic psychology of this phenomena, its called social identity theory. Here is a wiki link that can explain it in greater detail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_identity. (Not sure If ill get in trouble for posting a link, but I hope not!) None of us live in a void, we are shaped by what we particapte in, life! In all its myriad of facets, including mmos. The truth is if you want to understand the reasoning for these, seemingly unreasonable, reactions you have to understand the person. Each person has their unique reasons for identifying w/ a particular group. A tall order to be sure. Trying to hold some random gamer's hand in an attempt to empathize and understand, when they already believe you are the devil incarnate seems ridiculous even to me. I hope ppl reading this post look at the link, in order to understand the basic principle of differentiation between groups because in doing so maybe as a community we can put our personal biases aside and be better people for our efforts. This same phenomena is responsible for some of the worst fear and hatemongering in the history of humanity, and directly responsible for some of the most heinous atrocities throughout our history. If we can recognize this behavior in ourselves and in others, maybe we can go beyond our base instincts, and interact with each other in a more enlightened fashion. Can I get a bump on that?!
Social Identity Theory is one of the more interesting things I've read about in awhile. Playing a game X makes you part of a group - Players of X. Part of thinking of yourself as one of those group members is that being part of the group is "good". The player finds reasons why it's good to be part of that group - Positive Distinctiveness. When someone criticizes the game that the Player plays, a key component in the Player's positive outlook is being criticized, so they defend it.
Something like that.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I played EVE online for about 9 months and quit because I realized the game was just one big time sink full of griefers. Fanbois attacked me when I felt that way stating I didn't play the game long enough to give it a review of any sort. Apparently you have to play EVE for a year or more to really get into it lol hahaha
I think it's the losers who dedicate years of playing one MMO with no life that will go on the offensive if you say anything bad about their holy game.
So in some forum somewhere you made a post accusing everyone in EVE of being a griefer and were suprised when the "fanbois" took offense to the label? Seriously?
I'm not saying there aren't griefers (there most certainly are) but I suspect you confuse griefing with the basic mechanic of the game which is to defeat your opponents by whatever means necessary, with a minimal number of loses to yourself. Oh yes, everyone is your opponent.
But back on topic, recommend you read the post below yours for a very good explaination about why people behave the way they do about the things they support in life, games or otherwise.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Some people attach their persona to a game, niche, or genre. Questioning the game is the same as questioning their being. People take games (MMOs in this case) way to seriously. Inherently, when playing one game over another, one genre over another or one niche over another is used as a reason to distinguish people and in turn develop imaginary superiority over others, there can be little hope for reasonable responses.
At the end of the day, labeling someone as the “other” makes the labeler feel a sense of power and superiority. Primitive, yes. New, No. People have been writing about this phenomenon for over 100 years.
Quite true. Unfortunately it is the habit of most humans to define their persona via outside items. My house, my car, my brand of clothing asf.
Actually it takes a lot of mental excercise to stand above such things and learn to seperate your taste from your judgement. It starts always with looking at youself, and truth be told, 99 of 100 people are totally unable to do that. Sociology writes about this indeed for about 100 years. Only a handful in each generation really has the ability to stand above such things. Lucky you have me around.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I've seen plenty of behavior and responses like this. Latest was in World of Tanks forums where I had made a post about my first impressions in which I stated some things I felt were the more serious flaws in the game. Some "fanboi" obviously attacked me saying I hadn't played the game enough to form that opinion.
I continued playing the game and reviewed my post a month later. My opinion hadn't changed. Not only that but according to stats I had more battles played than the fanboi who criticized me. I could further pat myself on the back because of the fact that I had formed such an accurate opinion with only so "little" experience of the game but that is another matter altogether. And devs acknowledged the issues I had pointed out.
The game where I've most seen this behavior is with Eve. I played that game for 13 months. It started out as a curiosity and continued because acquiring more game time was relatively easy and cheap (exploits and grinding ISK) and nothing better was out. Anyways, I usually point out flaws in a game and voice them openly. It is more like observations than whining although I understand it may sound like it.
Eve players are absolutely ferociousin defending Eve. Some serious hate there. And not much counter-arguments but pure insults. They don't attack what you say but what you are or may be in their mind. -Usually along the lines of "go back to WoW, n00b!" Even within my corp/alliance. They don't even think before they attack you. It is the first thing they do: automatic response. I think it is quite interesting!
Anyway, I'm quite satisfied that most of people like these I encountered while playing Eve, I "won over" or made them rethink their position. I guess it was somewhat because that I was the co-CEO of our corp and I had more experience playing the game than most of them. -Yeah, some had older characters than I did, but I had more hours doing PvP and actually playing the game than they did. So they really couldn't call me a newbie, could they?
I'm quite confident that I can form an educated opinion about a game in 13 months. It is silly to think that my opinion is wrong (or "flawed" as some Eve players liked to call it) because simply because they disagree. Hell, I thought learning skills were a useless feature from week 1 into the game! (another reason to pat myself in the back, i guess)
I've recently tried to observe this kind of behavior within myself but all I can remember is that when my friend pointed out that a character can't even jump in Guild Wars (a game which I'm certainly a fan of), my respond was simply: so what? I don't need to jump, the game is awesome! -Or "you can't see other people because its instanced"! -I wouldn't interact with them anyways.
If I catch myself attacking someone before thinking, I'll be sure to punish myself later.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
With my recent visit to Everquest 1, as well as noticing a lot of posts on these forums full of rash assumptions and logical conclusions which can only boggle the mind as to how they came to think that way, it is quite clear there are some... sensitive gamers.
Why do you think this is?
You may log into Everquest 1 and make one mere observation, such as... "Did it take this long to level in Original Everquest?" and you will be met by a ****storm of attacks and lashes. Reply with "Sorry, I wasn't complaining, I was just curious." and even more will join in, demanding silence of the newcomer.
Go to a forum here or post normally, and any observation on a MMORPG or concept will immediately have those in favor of said MMO or concept immediately attack you, put words inside of your mouth, and assume that "It took 4 hours to level" means "I want WoW EZ mode pwease, pwease, I can't stand to have challenge I'm a big gerber baby!" and they will see "I didn't like [MMO], it just wasn't my thing." as several personal attacks to their individual character, transforming "I dislike the game." into "I hateYOU!"
I have been a very big fan of the MMO genre, especially UO, EQ, and DAoC. Yet if someone attacks any of these, I tend to agree on their faults, not lie to myself "My game was perfect! Who dares challenge me personally?"
So it is really hard for me to understand the "sensitive gamer" or why the "old school" small community composed of long-time veterans (EQ1, DAoC current, etc.) are so sensitive towards their game.
After all... if someone is playing Everquest 1 and observes that leveling is slower than it used to be in 1999, or have their own opinion that it is "a little too slow, although I don't want it to be too fast", they are PLAYING it right? Obviously they like it if they're playing it. If they were complaining, they wouldn't be playing. So what gives?
Amazing.
Yet WoW is said to have the worst community. like,,, really?
I think it's the losers who dedicate years of playing one MMO with no life that will go on the offensive if you say anything bad about their holy game.
The large number of DCU fanboys says otherwise. I've never seen a new game have so many hardcore fanboys so quickly as DCU. The mods here even stickied a blatantly trolling thread on how "old school" mmo's gamers "just don't get" the game by one of them. Rift has more than its fair share of fanboys, too, and that game isn't even out yet.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Originally posted by Emergence Go to a forum here or post normally, and any observation on a MMORPG or concept will immediately have those in favor of said MMO or concept immediately attack you, put words inside of your mouth, and assume that "It took 4 hours to level" means "I want WoW EZ mode pwease, pwease, I can't stand to have challenge I'm a big gerber baby!" and they will see "I didn't like [MMO], it just wasn't my thing." as several personal attacks to their individual character, transforming "I dislike the game." into "I hate YOU!"
You have to post examples if you want anyone to take this type of claim seriously.
I do agree with you OP but i feel the reason for the defenders of there games are because there are so many attackers, people who will judge a game in the first 10 mins of playing it and come on to places like this to slam the absolute hell out of this said game, not only that most defenders of there game have heard the same complaint about said problem and are sick of people talking about it.
Umm excuse me,,, but how is that a bad thing?
If somebody plays the game for 10 mins and notice something wrong, why shouldnt they report it on the forum? Thats the only way the deveopers and community will know of the issue.
How else would the developers improve it.
Thank about it.
Blizzard redid the Starter areas in WoW, because new players QQ. now look at it!! Its Awesome!!!!!!
I do agree with you OP but i feel the reason for the defenders of there games are because there are so many attackers, people who will judge a game in the first 10 mins of playing it and come on to places like this to slam the absolute hell out of this said game, not only that most defenders of there game have heard the same complaint about said problem and are sick of people talking about it.
Umm excuse me,,, but how is that a bad thing?
If somebody plays the game for 10 mins and notice something wrong, why shouldnt they report it on the forum? Thats the only way the deveopers and community will know of the issue.
How else would the developers improve it.
Thank about it.
Blizzard redid the Starter areas in WoW, because new players QQ. now look at it!! Its Awesome!!!!!!
Fanbois. They're always a riot. The best part is seeing them dancing around in glee while the ship they're on is in the process of sinking.
Age of Conan when it first came out was the last game I was on that had serious, SERIOUS Fanbois in action. These fools were in total denial of legitimate complaints and issues of the game. Hell, they tromped around the Tech Support Subforums to even deny technical issues of the game.
"Memory leaks? No, this game has no memory leaks. Get a new computer."
Heh...
What I really loved was how they strove to drive anyone that had any complaint / dissent while in defense of their beloved AoC.
Well, the majority of people DID leave and I'm sure Failcom misses the massive amount of people that used to be there at Launch. Now the game just since there in the MMORPG corner with occasional jokes made about how far it has fallen. I recall them celebrating the initial sales a whole lot. But where is it now?
LOL!
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People kill each other over sports teams, skin color, who the other person bones, who the other person doesn't bone, Gods, women, men, land, money, drugs, who they vote for, who they voted for, traffic, boredom... abit of misplaced anger or rage when you can do it through magic tubes seems about reasonable.
Its pretty simple really.
MMORPGs are unlike other games because you need other people to play with you and those kinds of games will inevitably die when people lose interest. Those same sensitive people you talk about would probably not care if you were trash talking solo-player games since they can still play it if people do not like it.
People talking trash about an MMORPG can take it away from people who love it how it is. It hurts to lose things that you love. You may understand more when you lose a game that other people do not love it as much as you. You may understand more when your favorite game is dumbed down to cater to people whining about things that you enjoy.
Keep playing MMORPGs and this will happen to you as well if you ever find something that you enjoy a lot. If people are trash-talking a game that you like it is hard not to get upset at them as you watch it kill your favorite game.
We fanbois have to stick together if we do not want our games ruined by crybabies who only wanted to play the game for a month or two anyways.
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From my experience and understanding, a lot of gamers are in denial constantly, and it doesn't have to be only about MMOs, but also real-life. The simple fact of criticizing something they like, triggers a hateful reaction, even if the point raised was valid. By speaking out on certain issues, you're creating a conflict which triggers a denial from the players, who simply do not wish to hear anything outside of what they believe, and even go as far as labelling the user as "Troll" or using hateful comment to discredit or "scare" the user.
This behavior seem to be further amplified by the lack of moderation in certain forums and in-game, where any negative threads will be closed/deleted for "Trolling" or get the user blocked/banned, while the overly fanatics often derailing those threads with insults continues to roam free. Basically creating some sort of "Bubble" around the fanatics. In a way, developers/publishers are nurturing these behaviors as it often allows them to get more people to buy their games, even if they leave a week later.
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Well, I went back to EQ and asked some 'stupid' questions (had been years ago that I played EQ, took some time to figure stuff out until I thought that I might as well ask in OOC), also I asked the same question about the slow leveling since I remembered the discussions.
In total I got a 2 'this isn't WoW' comments, a few helpful comments that provided answers I was looking for, and a few comments that were fooling around, more of a noncommittal nature.
Now, I bet that's the kind of mixed response you'll encounter in any MMORPG, some good, some bad, some inbetween.
I think it's more about perception or what people focus on, some have the tendency to stand still with the bad comments, ignoring the good or neutral comments, the 'bad' becoming larger and larger in their mind, while others are inclined to do the reverse.
When I encounter people getting smart ass or rude as for example in 'this isnt WoW' or 'go back to WoW' I think 'jerk' and if needed ask the question again, my attention directed towards the comments I find useful. The badmouthers are only a blip on my radar, often quickly forgotten within a minute, because in most cases it's often only a handful that are like that, the vast majority just being normal or neutral.
Besides, you can often steer the nature of how people give their replies into the desired result, simply in how you word things.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I believe I am.
It amazes me after over a decade of being a hardcore forum member to the internet as well as MMO gamer, I have still not learned the obvious:
Obvious trolls are obvious. LOL!
I am easily baited in some of my more frustrated moods. It takes me awhile to realize "Wait... this guy is 13 years old in his mind... STOP talking to him and just leave!"
If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
I played EVE online for about 9 months and quit because I realized the game was just one big time sink full of griefers. Fanbois attacked me when I felt that way stating I didn't play the game long enough to give it a review of any sort. Apparently you have to play EVE for a year or more to really get into it lol hahaha
I think it's the losers who dedicate years of playing one MMO with no life that will go on the offensive if you say anything bad about their holy game.
Social Identity Theory is one of the more interesting things I've read about in awhile. Playing a game X makes you part of a group - Players of X. Part of thinking of yourself as one of those group members is that being part of the group is "good". The player finds reasons why it's good to be part of that group - Positive Distinctiveness. When someone criticizes the game that the Player plays, a key component in the Player's positive outlook is being criticized, so they defend it.
Something like that.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
So in some forum somewhere you made a post accusing everyone in EVE of being a griefer and were suprised when the "fanbois" took offense to the label? Seriously?
I'm not saying there aren't griefers (there most certainly are) but I suspect you confuse griefing with the basic mechanic of the game which is to defeat your opponents by whatever means necessary, with a minimal number of loses to yourself. Oh yes, everyone is your opponent.
But back on topic, recommend you read the post below yours for a very good explaination about why people behave the way they do about the things they support in life, games or otherwise.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Quite true. Unfortunately it is the habit of most humans to define their persona via outside items. My house, my car, my brand of clothing asf.
Actually it takes a lot of mental excercise to stand above such things and learn to seperate your taste from your judgement. It starts always with looking at youself, and truth be told, 99 of 100 people are totally unable to do that. Sociology writes about this indeed for about 100 years. Only a handful in each generation really has the ability to stand above such things. Lucky you have me around.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I've seen plenty of behavior and responses like this. Latest was in World of Tanks forums where I had made a post about my first impressions in which I stated some things I felt were the more serious flaws in the game. Some "fanboi" obviously attacked me saying I hadn't played the game enough to form that opinion.
I continued playing the game and reviewed my post a month later. My opinion hadn't changed. Not only that but according to stats I had more battles played than the fanboi who criticized me. I could further pat myself on the back because of the fact that I had formed such an accurate opinion with only so "little" experience of the game but that is another matter altogether. And devs acknowledged the issues I had pointed out.
The game where I've most seen this behavior is with Eve. I played that game for 13 months. It started out as a curiosity and continued because acquiring more game time was relatively easy and cheap (exploits and grinding ISK) and nothing better was out. Anyways, I usually point out flaws in a game and voice them openly. It is more like observations than whining although I understand it may sound like it.
Eve players are absolutely ferociousin defending Eve. Some serious hate there. And not much counter-arguments but pure insults. They don't attack what you say but what you are or may be in their mind. -Usually along the lines of "go back to WoW, n00b!" Even within my corp/alliance. They don't even think before they attack you. It is the first thing they do: automatic response. I think it is quite interesting!
Anyway, I'm quite satisfied that most of people like these I encountered while playing Eve, I "won over" or made them rethink their position. I guess it was somewhat because that I was the co-CEO of our corp and I had more experience playing the game than most of them. -Yeah, some had older characters than I did, but I had more hours doing PvP and actually playing the game than they did. So they really couldn't call me a newbie, could they?
I'm quite confident that I can form an educated opinion about a game in 13 months. It is silly to think that my opinion is wrong (or "flawed" as some Eve players liked to call it) because simply because they disagree. Hell, I thought learning skills were a useless feature from week 1 into the game! (another reason to pat myself in the back, i guess)
I've recently tried to observe this kind of behavior within myself but all I can remember is that when my friend pointed out that a character can't even jump in Guild Wars (a game which I'm certainly a fan of), my respond was simply: so what? I don't need to jump, the game is awesome! -Or "you can't see other people because its instanced"! -I wouldn't interact with them anyways.
If I catch myself attacking someone before thinking, I'll be sure to punish myself later.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Amazing.
Yet WoW is said to have the worst community. like,,, really?
thanks OP for proving my point.
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
The large number of DCU fanboys says otherwise. I've never seen a new game have so many hardcore fanboys so quickly as DCU. The mods here even stickied a blatantly trolling thread on how "old school" mmo's gamers "just don't get" the game by one of them. Rift has more than its fair share of fanboys, too, and that game isn't even out yet.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
You have to post examples if you want anyone to take this type of claim seriously.
Umm excuse me,,, but how is that a bad thing?
If somebody plays the game for 10 mins and notice something wrong, why shouldnt they report it on the forum? Thats the only way the deveopers and community will know of the issue.
How else would the developers improve it.
Thank about it.
Blizzard redid the Starter areas in WoW, because new players QQ. now look at it!! Its Awesome!!!!!!
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
Awesome is subjective.
Fanbois. They're always a riot. The best part is seeing them dancing around in glee while the ship they're on is in the process of sinking.
Age of Conan when it first came out was the last game I was on that had serious, SERIOUS Fanbois in action. These fools were in total denial of legitimate complaints and issues of the game. Hell, they tromped around the Tech Support Subforums to even deny technical issues of the game.
"Memory leaks? No, this game has no memory leaks. Get a new computer."
Heh...
What I really loved was how they strove to drive anyone that had any complaint / dissent while in defense of their beloved AoC.
Well, the majority of people DID leave and I'm sure Failcom misses the massive amount of people that used to be there at Launch. Now the game just since there in the MMORPG corner with occasional jokes made about how far it has fallen. I recall them celebrating the initial sales a whole lot. But where is it now?
LOL!
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)