There's a lot of different layers to why some do the things they do. Some times they are expressing concern of an on going problem that plaques the gaming industry, which is many.
Sometimes understressing certain problems with games causes them to go unnoticed so accentuating the post makes it a bit more clear that you are about to get the shaft.
Yeah, I know all the jibber jabber ain't all for good karma we hope to get/give, much evil lurks here.
Gaming is having such a huge impact on society that it needs it's watchdogs and out of the box thinkers.
Personally, I think we should be spending more time figuring out how to become more locally self sustainable than we do gaming, but then that ain't exactly game and let game is it?
Yeah, do whatever you want, don't say we didn't at least try to warn ya.
You lost me at "...I shop at wal mart..." totally validating the validity of this article. Was that repeatitively redundant? ....or is that redundantly repeatative....?
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
RIFT and other bad copy cat games are not getting slammed because there are some people out there who like them. These companies and possibly people looking to pitch new games are being asked (by a worthwhile public) to just stop reusing old ideas. It's almost to the point of theft, but there's the excuse (Well how else am I supposed to make my warrior charge into an enemy and stun them other than doing it exactly like how WoW did it?) that it's just too common to avoid.
Yet there are a lot of games who avoid doing this. Some get praised, some get canned. Okay most get canned.
Still RIFT should be held accountable for their copying.
Those who are saying avoid this game aren't doing so because there are people out there who don't mind the unflinching rip-off copies; it's because we expect more from developers who claim to be doing something new or innovative.
This article paints a really one sided picture.
This is a perfect exacmple of what the article is discussing. i've been gaming on PCs since the 8086 16Mhz days. every game since then has been a "ripoff" of the game before it. what you state here is an opinion, an opinion you push on 1 game you dislike. do you go into wow threads and post its a ripoff as well, because it is. do you go into battlefield 2142 threads and post its a ripoff cause it is, and CoD, Unreal, Splintercell. they are all knockoffs. SO, why is it you choose this game to put your HATE towards? cause so many of us like it? thats its successful beyond all of the hate towards it? i mean this article isnt even about RIFT and yet you came here just to hate on the game.
As I said in a post above, "If you cant stop flaming and trolling a game you dont like, i think its time to put the mouse and keyboard away and go try something new for a change."
RIFT and other bad copy cat games are not getting slammed because there are some people out there who like them. These companies and possibly people looking to pitch new games are being asked (by a worthwhile public) to just stop reusing old ideas. It's almost to the point of theft, but there's the excuse (Well how else am I supposed to make my warrior charge into an enemy and stun them other than doing it exactly like how WoW did it?) that it's just too common to avoid.
Yet there are a lot of games who avoid doing this. Some get praised, some get canned. Okay most get canned.
Still RIFT should be held accountable for their copying.
Those who are saying avoid this game aren't doing so because there are people out there who don't mind the unflinching rip-off copies; it's because we expect more from developers who claim to be doing something new or innovative.
This article paints a really one sided picture.
This is a perfect exacmple of what the article is discussing. i've been gaming on PCs since the 8086 16Mhz days. every game since then has been a "ripoff" of the game before it. what you state here is an opinion, an opinion you push on 1 game you dislike. do you go into wow threads and post its a ripoff as well, because it is. do you go into battlefield 2142 threads and post its a ripoff cause it is, and CoD, Unreal, Splintercell. they are all knockoffs. SO, why is it you choose this game to put your HATE towards? cause so many of us like it? thats its successful beyond all of the hate towards it? i mean this article isnt even about RIFT and yet you came here just to hate on the game.
As I said in a post above, "If you cant stop flaming and trolling a game you dont like, i think its time to put the mouse and keyboard away and go try something new for a change."
Please people, can we not just agreee that everyone has an asshole, like an opinion, and like an opinion they both stink somebody(s)?
MMO geeks are the lowest form of geekery on the internet. Think about it: you're taking those asocial people who would otherwise be sitting in the back of a comic store playing AD&D (you know, the ones who snort when they laugh), putting them all together from around the world on a single server, giving them online anonimity... it spells bad things.
You've now got that know-it-all nerd, amongst other know-it-alls, and that's going to lead to a fan war, as well as an unending stream of "no, you're wrong! how could you not know this?"
Just try and remember that one severely geeky kid from high school. The one who was always sitting alone, but that one time you went over to maybe see if he wanted a new friend, he started getting really condescending and mean. That's your average MMO nerd (not MMO PLAYER, but the people who get FAR too absorbed by these games).
Living online leads to this feeling of social detachment, but MMOs give you a certain degree of human interaction. When you've spent enough time at your computer, alone, at night, that human interaction starts to become all the more real, and when you mix it with the standard fantasy uber-nerd, you'll get nothing but volatile statements.
So, really, when you have these personalities together in one place, with these kinds of social problems, blasting another person's game is their attempt to gain a +1 on your reality, as if somehow you're going to convert to their "game" (read: world, way of thinking, lifestyle) and then hold them up as a preacher of the truth.
Not sure Mr Murphy. I've been contemplating this since yesterday and still can't come up with anything better than the kind of people you mention are just dicks who want the rest of us to be as depressed as they are about the state of the world.
You know while I'm a massive open PVP sandbox MMO lover (Shadowbane, warts and all, is still my favorite MMO) I'm hoping that Rift is massively successful, if only because it makes the people who feel the need to make negetive comments on every thread about a game they hate rather than putting that energy into supporting games they do care about, so monstrously unhappy.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Can we get more editorials about games and the industry and less about your user base please Bill? Your not a life coach and I sincerely doubt your any better then the those you preach to. No one comes here to read these constant advice columns on how we can all be better people, and especially not from a guy we have never met. This is a games site... lets maybe talk about games?
It's also pretty unbalanced, seeing as we are robbed of any right to criticise you guys in return with warnings and bans.
Please remember that without us you don't even have a business and that looking down on people isnt a good way to make them stick with you.
Can we get more editorials about games and the industry and less about your user base please Bill? Your not a life coach and I sincerely doubt your any better then the those you preach to. No one comes here to read these constant advice columns on how we can all be better people, and especially not from a guy we have never met. This is a games site... lets maybe talk about games?
It's also pretty unbalanced, seeing as we are robbed of any right to criticise you guys in return with warnings and bans.
Please remember that without us you don't even have a business and that looking down on people isnt a good way to make them stick with you.
i think the reason you are so often reported is because your attitude you deside to post with on these forums. i get the distinct feeling when i read your post that these forums are yours. that some how you get to dictacte what happens on them. the is a forum about games yes, but its also a "FORUM." Forum etiquette is still apart of these forums even though its about games. Mr. Bill is talking about part of that, something i'm thinking many have forgotten. there isnt anything unblanced on these forums, what's unbalanced is how people think they can post something negative and throw in sly attacks on people and get away with it. If you havent read the RoC, i recommend it, it will keep people like me from hitting that report button. i cant report someone who uses common sense and respect for other people in their posts, but i can when you decide to attack us just because we like a certain game.
Also Mr. Bill doesn't need a reminder who pays his bills, i think he is old enough to understand that. I doubt very much he is some 16 year old punk who thinks he can smart mouth people, dump this job and bounce to the next one like nothing happened.
One can disagree with the mods, bloggers, and others that start theads here just fine. its when you start to attack the person that the folks on this site start to take notice.
Can we get more editorials about games and the industry and less about your user base please Bill? Your not a life coach and I sincerely doubt your any better then the those you preach to. No one comes here to read these constant advice columns on how we can all be better people, and especially not from a guy we have never met. This is a games site... lets maybe talk about games?
It's also pretty unbalanced, seeing as we are robbed of any right to criticise you guys in return with warnings and bans.
Please remember that without us you don't even have a business and that looking down on people isnt a good way to make them stick with you.
i think the reason you are so often reported is because your attitude you deside to post with on these forums. i get the distinct feeling when i read your post that these forums are yours. that some how you get to dictacte what happens on them. the is a forum about games yes, but its also a "FORUM." Forum etiquette is still apart of these forums even though its about games. Mr. Bill is talking about part of that, something i'm thinking many have forgotten. there isnt anything unblanced on these forums, what's unbalanced is how people think they can post something negative and throw in sly attacks on people and get away with it. If you havent read the RoC, i recommend it, it will keep people like me from hitting that report button. i cant report someone who uses common sense and respect for other people in their posts, but i can when you decide to attack us just because we like a certain game.
Also Mr. Bill doesn't need a reminder who pays his bills, i think he is old enough to understand that. I doubt very much he is some 16 year old punk who thinks he can smart mouth people, dump this job and bounce to the next one like nothing happened.
One can disagree with the mods, bloggers, and others that start theads here just fine. its when you start to attack the person that the folks on this site start to take notice.
No, I have gotten reported so often recently because I don't like a certain game thats popular and it's defenders spam report over the tiniest percieved 'negativity' in an effort to shut down other points of view.
I don't attack posters, thats not my M.O at all, I might attack your idea or 'your' game, but not the poster. I have only ever asked to not attack me personally and talk about games. Anyhow, this isnt about me, so I guess you are one of those guys that I am talking about that attacks the poster rather the subject, because thats what you are doing here (making you a somewhat of a hypocrite on top of other things).
I will once again ask this of you- Don't talk about me, talk about games. Thats all I am saying that Bill should be doing anyhow. This is a games site, not a poster's analyst couch.
He really is setting a really bad example of talking about other posters, rather then the games that i thought this site was about. He validates all those posters that make cliche personal judgements and statements about other posters despite knowing nothing about who they are or what they stand for and that is a bad thing for an environment that should be about games and not squabbles based on silly personal assumptions.
And unless you happen to know 'Mr Bill' personally in RL then i doubt you can talk about what he is or isnt any more then I can.
Can we get more editorials about games and the industry and less about your user base please Bill? Your not a life coach and I sincerely doubt your any better then the those you preach to. No one comes here to read these constant advice columns on how we can all be better people, and especially not from a guy we have never met. This is a games site... lets maybe talk about games?
It's also pretty unbalanced, seeing as we are robbed of any right to criticise you guys in return with warnings and bans.
Please remember that without us you don't even have a business and that looking down on people isnt a good way to make them stick with you.
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No, I have gotten reported so often recently because I don't like a certain game thats popular and it's defenders spam report over the tiniest percieved 'negativity' in an effort to shut down other points of view.
I don't attack posters, thats not my M.O at all, I might attack your idea or 'your' game, but not the poster. I have only ever asked to not attack me personally and talk about games. Anyhow, this isnt about me, so I guess you are one of those guys that I am talking about that attacks the poster rather the subject, because thats what you are doing here (making you a somewhat of a hypocrite on top of other things).
I will once again ask this of you- Don't talk about me, talk about games. Thats all I am saying that Bill should be doing anyhow. This is a games site, not a poster's analyst couch.
He really is setting a really bad example of talking about other posters, rather then the games that i thought this site was about. He validates all those posters that make cliche personal judgements and statements about other posters despite knowing nothing about who they are or what they stand for and that is a bad thing for an environment that should be about games and not squabbles based on silly personal assumptions.
And unless you happen to know 'Mr Bill' personally in RL then i doubt you can talk about what he is or isnt any more then I can.
the red is personal attacks/threats, talk to me about hypocrisy. what i was doing was stating facts about posts i've read that you posted, i wasnt personally attacking you. Dont ask me to find them either, we both know they have been edited or deleted with many of the rift hate posts.
the yellow is you telling him what he is or is not, so "And unless you happen to know 'Mr Bill' personally in RL then i doubt you can talk about what he is or isnt any more then I can."
but ill end there, Mr. Bill made his point. the posts to his blog made his point, and all the while his message went completely ignored. not just an hour ago another hate thread was posted and shut down, with another warning to be civil. Reminds me of Jeff Dunham and Peanuts routine when peanut does the hand over the head and makes the airplane sound. completely missed it by a mile.
Look, your obviously getting angry. Lets calm down a little. If you think the highlighted parts were 'attacks' (if they were then Bill himself is as guilty of 'attacking the user base himself, but I don't suggest that) then maybe the issue is yours and not mine.
But you accuse me of personally attacking others in posts that you say were now deleted (lucky for you that I guess) and that you cannot support the existance of? But you attack me by making the false accusation anyway? I call lies. I don't remember you from those threads either... was it on your other account? Maybe get back on it to back yourself up here.
Look, the point here is that this is EXACTLY the problem Bill talking about forum users rather then games creates. It creates an environment where people see it as ok to talk about the poster (as you have repeatedly here) rather then talk about games and thnk thats fine 'because Bill does it'.
That isnt good for creating a healthy environment for the discussion and debate of games imo, because it creates a situation where people are attacked rather then ideas (as you have done here). No wonder some people get so angry when they are personally criticised for just expressing an opinion or idea about a game just because some folks don't like whats being said.
There's a secret society in Terry Pratchet's light-hearted: "Guards! Guards!" specially chosen by the Grand Magister that's vaguely familiar when some opinions start to get out of hand on any forum ; )
There's a secret society in Terry Pratchet's light-hearted: "Guards! Guards!" specially chosen by the Grand Magister that's vaguely familiar when some opinions start to get out of hand on any forum ; )
Bang on mate. You know, if more knowless men lived under the threat of a good figgin toasting for bad behavior, the cyberworld just might be a better place.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
I feel what you are saying, Bill. I post sometimes with my view on things about games as well as other things. I don't see why some find it necessary to flame others because of their choice of game or where they shop.
I shop Wal-Mart, Sam's Club more for my groceries and many other things because they are cheaper. The economy sucks and pay doesn't go up nor has disability checks in a very long time now. So I shop where I can afford.
As for Wal-Mart employees, I am not sure what exactly this is about I didn't go through all the post. I have worked for Wal-Mart in the past and I know it isn't what it was before the orignial founder died. The employees don't count like they once did; the truth is the empoyee doesn't matter with any of the big companies(corporations). They can easily be replaced. Most retail companies hire part-time only so they don't have to worry about benifits or when seasons are off they don't have to pay out too much in payroll. Many companies now run on skelton staff. everyone has to do more work and cover more for the same low pay. This has lowered the job market drastically. Is it fair? Not to those of us who have families and bills it isn't but don't think for one second that those companies give a rats arse. They don't!
I relocated to a warmer climate because of mine and my husband's health. I was supposed to be able to transfer to the store in the area. When I got here I went in instead of calling and they interviewed me then told me they filled the last two postions and had no openings. They knew I was coming but did not hold a postion for me. In the four weeks I have been waiting to see if they got an opening I have heard nothing and when I called making sure they had my new phone number. I am not even sure they wrote it down and put it in my file. Transfers are not done like they used to be. I had been with the same corporation for over 4 years, but I had gotten hurt on the job and reinjured almost a year after first one. They were unable to get rid of me for anything they could write me up for , so this was their out when I moved. No it isn't right but fact is fact and if I could fight it I would but the truth is it would do no good. When you transfer they send really basic info not work history or anything that the store you are transferring to can even decide if you are worth the time to consider you. My immediate supervisor wanted to call them and give them my work and performance but the ASM over her and our side said no they could ask for it. She could have lost her job had she went ahead and called them anyway and it was discovered. This company and another are owned by the same people but I can't work for the other either. Now that the four weeks is up I can go and reapply and if I am hired I will have lost all my time and benefits, I was full time and earned vactaion and personal days(sick days). But we had had someone transfer from a local store and the manager and that store gave them high reccomendations. Sadly they were lies but she transferred in and we didn't even need anyone. Welcome to the real world and corporation or big companies.
It is not only retail that does this. Many companies have trimmed their staffing and what is left is doing the job of two or three people now. I don't see our government caring a whole lot either but hey that is another can of worms.
Can we get more editorials about games and the industry and less about your user base please Bill? Your not a life coach and I sincerely doubt your any better then the those you preach to. No one comes here to read these constant advice columns on how we can all be better people, and especially not from a guy we have never met. This is a games site... lets maybe talk about games?
It's also pretty unbalanced, seeing as we are robbed of any right to criticise you guys in return with warnings and bans.
Please remember that without us you don't even have a business and that looking down on people isnt a good way to make them stick with you.
Can we get more editorials about games and the industry and less about your user base please Bill? Your not a life coach and I sincerely doubt your any better then the those you preach to. No one comes here to read these constant advice columns on how we can all be better people, and especially not from a guy we have never met. This is a games site... lets maybe talk about games?
It's also pretty unbalanced, seeing as we are robbed of any right to criticise you guys in return with warnings and bans.
Please remember that without us you don't even have a business and that looking down on people isnt a good way to make them stick with you.
I think Bill's topic is about how gamers actitude influence the market. Therefore, he is still talking about games. The don't you dare to criticize us because we pay your salary was pretty much uncalled for.
Look Bill , I agree with your statement let gamers game , just sadly the whole site doesn´t agree with you .
Thats the issue , we all have our own products , our own vices our own way of life .
And in retrospect we all come here in search of something new that this site promote .
We want a MMORPG that entertain us , just to be flooded by tons of crazy hippy posters .
Who bash or derail a opnion about a game , to a point if you bash back .
They go into nerd rage frenzy , is totally honestly this site own fault .
Sorry people are having fun by dishing out punches , but cannot handle being punched anymore ?
So your perspectief of saying let other have there fun , is me being the punching bag ?
Honestly that doesn´t fly in modern day society anymore , its eye for a eye or scream for murder ... cause if one side shows tolerance the otherside just jump all over it .
Maybe yes the older of us should tone down a bit , but honestly whats the use .
When nobody there to teach the young people . your example of wallmart and smoke.
Exactly thats the issue , we all preach one thing and turn our back on another thing .
Why cause we are human , but it doesn´t mean we failing cause we are human.
Its always easier to point out flaws then improve ones own life .
Now you cannot change the fundamental of how people work , cause its a generation of extreme black and white , but if attacked they all hide in the grey ...
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There's a lot of different layers to why some do the things they do. Some times they are expressing concern of an on going problem that plaques the gaming industry, which is many.
Sometimes understressing certain problems with games causes them to go unnoticed so accentuating the post makes it a bit more clear that you are about to get the shaft.
Yeah, I know all the jibber jabber ain't all for good karma we hope to get/give, much evil lurks here.
Gaming is having such a huge impact on society that it needs it's watchdogs and out of the box thinkers.
Personally, I think we should be spending more time figuring out how to become more locally self sustainable than we do gaming, but then that ain't exactly game and let game is it?
Yeah, do whatever you want, don't say we didn't at least try to warn ya.
Godspeed my fellow gamer
Godspeed my fellow gamer
You lost me at "...I shop at wal mart..." totally validating the validity of this article. Was that repeatitively redundant? ....or is that redundantly repeatative....?
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
This is a perfect exacmple of what the article is discussing. i've been gaming on PCs since the 8086 16Mhz days. every game since then has been a "ripoff" of the game before it. what you state here is an opinion, an opinion you push on 1 game you dislike. do you go into wow threads and post its a ripoff as well, because it is. do you go into battlefield 2142 threads and post its a ripoff cause it is, and CoD, Unreal, Splintercell. they are all knockoffs. SO, why is it you choose this game to put your HATE towards? cause so many of us like it? thats its successful beyond all of the hate towards it? i mean this article isnt even about RIFT and yet you came here just to hate on the game.
As I said in a post above, "If you cant stop flaming and trolling a game you dont like, i think its time to put the mouse and keyboard away and go try something new for a change."
Please people, can we not just agreee that everyone has an asshole, like an opinion, and like an opinion they both stink somebody(s)?
MMO geeks are the lowest form of geekery on the internet. Think about it: you're taking those asocial people who would otherwise be sitting in the back of a comic store playing AD&D (you know, the ones who snort when they laugh), putting them all together from around the world on a single server, giving them online anonimity... it spells bad things.
You've now got that know-it-all nerd, amongst other know-it-alls, and that's going to lead to a fan war, as well as an unending stream of "no, you're wrong! how could you not know this?"
Just try and remember that one severely geeky kid from high school. The one who was always sitting alone, but that one time you went over to maybe see if he wanted a new friend, he started getting really condescending and mean. That's your average MMO nerd (not MMO PLAYER, but the people who get FAR too absorbed by these games).
Living online leads to this feeling of social detachment, but MMOs give you a certain degree of human interaction. When you've spent enough time at your computer, alone, at night, that human interaction starts to become all the more real, and when you mix it with the standard fantasy uber-nerd, you'll get nothing but volatile statements.
So, really, when you have these personalities together in one place, with these kinds of social problems, blasting another person's game is their attempt to gain a +1 on your reality, as if somehow you're going to convert to their "game" (read: world, way of thinking, lifestyle) and then hold them up as a preacher of the truth.
Not sure Mr Murphy. I've been contemplating this since yesterday and still can't come up with anything better than the kind of people you mention are just dicks who want the rest of us to be as depressed as they are about the state of the world.
You know while I'm a massive open PVP sandbox MMO lover (Shadowbane, warts and all, is still my favorite MMO) I'm hoping that Rift is massively successful, if only because it makes the people who feel the need to make negetive comments on every thread about a game they hate rather than putting that energy into supporting games they do care about, so monstrously unhappy.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Can we get more editorials about games and the industry and less about your user base please Bill? Your not a life coach and I sincerely doubt your any better then the those you preach to. No one comes here to read these constant advice columns on how we can all be better people, and especially not from a guy we have never met. This is a games site... lets maybe talk about games?
It's also pretty unbalanced, seeing as we are robbed of any right to criticise you guys in return with warnings and bans.
Please remember that without us you don't even have a business and that looking down on people isnt a good way to make them stick with you.
i think the reason you are so often reported is because your attitude you deside to post with on these forums. i get the distinct feeling when i read your post that these forums are yours. that some how you get to dictacte what happens on them. the is a forum about games yes, but its also a "FORUM." Forum etiquette is still apart of these forums even though its about games. Mr. Bill is talking about part of that, something i'm thinking many have forgotten. there isnt anything unblanced on these forums, what's unbalanced is how people think they can post something negative and throw in sly attacks on people and get away with it. If you havent read the RoC, i recommend it, it will keep people like me from hitting that report button. i cant report someone who uses common sense and respect for other people in their posts, but i can when you decide to attack us just because we like a certain game.
Also Mr. Bill doesn't need a reminder who pays his bills, i think he is old enough to understand that. I doubt very much he is some 16 year old punk who thinks he can smart mouth people, dump this job and bounce to the next one like nothing happened.
One can disagree with the mods, bloggers, and others that start theads here just fine. its when you start to attack the person that the folks on this site start to take notice.
No, I have gotten reported so often recently because I don't like a certain game thats popular and it's defenders spam report over the tiniest percieved 'negativity' in an effort to shut down other points of view.
I don't attack posters, thats not my M.O at all, I might attack your idea or 'your' game, but not the poster. I have only ever asked to not attack me personally and talk about games. Anyhow, this isnt about me, so I guess you are one of those guys that I am talking about that attacks the poster rather the subject, because thats what you are doing here (making you a somewhat of a hypocrite on top of other things).
I will once again ask this of you- Don't talk about me, talk about games. Thats all I am saying that Bill should be doing anyhow. This is a games site, not a poster's analyst couch.
He really is setting a really bad example of talking about other posters, rather then the games that i thought this site was about. He validates all those posters that make cliche personal judgements and statements about other posters despite knowing nothing about who they are or what they stand for and that is a bad thing for an environment that should be about games and not squabbles based on silly personal assumptions.
And unless you happen to know 'Mr Bill' personally in RL then i doubt you can talk about what he is or isnt any more then I can.
the red is personal attacks/threats, talk to me about hypocrisy. what i was doing was stating facts about posts i've read that you posted, i wasnt personally attacking you. Dont ask me to find them either, we both know they have been edited or deleted with many of the rift hate posts.
the yellow is you telling him what he is or is not, so "And unless you happen to know 'Mr Bill' personally in RL then i doubt you can talk about what he is or isnt any more then I can."
but ill end there, Mr. Bill made his point. the posts to his blog made his point, and all the while his message went completely ignored. not just an hour ago another hate thread was posted and shut down, with another warning to be civil. Reminds me of Jeff Dunham and Peanuts routine when peanut does the hand over the head and makes the airplane sound. completely missed it by a mile.
Look, your obviously getting angry. Lets calm down a little. If you think the highlighted parts were 'attacks' (if they were then Bill himself is as guilty of 'attacking the user base himself, but I don't suggest that) then maybe the issue is yours and not mine.
But you accuse me of personally attacking others in posts that you say were now deleted (lucky for you that I guess) and that you cannot support the existance of? But you attack me by making the false accusation anyway? I call lies. I don't remember you from those threads either... was it on your other account? Maybe get back on it to back yourself up here.
Look, the point here is that this is EXACTLY the problem Bill talking about forum users rather then games creates. It creates an environment where people see it as ok to talk about the poster (as you have repeatedly here) rather then talk about games and thnk thats fine 'because Bill does it'.
That isnt good for creating a healthy environment for the discussion and debate of games imo, because it creates a situation where people are attacked rather then ideas (as you have done here). No wonder some people get so angry when they are personally criticised for just expressing an opinion or idea about a game just because some folks don't like whats being said.
There's a secret society in Terry Pratchet's light-hearted: "Guards! Guards!" specially chosen by the Grand Magister that's vaguely familiar when some opinions start to get out of hand on any forum ; )
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
Bang on mate. You know, if more knowless men lived under the threat of a good figgin toasting for bad behavior, the cyberworld just might be a better place.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
It wasn't wal-mart that shipped our jobs overseas.
They just took advantage of the situation.
Understanding ? Tolerance ?! Never !!! All infidels must convert or die !
I feel what you are saying, Bill. I post sometimes with my view on things about games as well as other things. I don't see why some find it necessary to flame others because of their choice of game or where they shop.
I shop Wal-Mart, Sam's Club more for my groceries and many other things because they are cheaper. The economy sucks and pay doesn't go up nor has disability checks in a very long time now. So I shop where I can afford.
As for Wal-Mart employees, I am not sure what exactly this is about I didn't go through all the post. I have worked for Wal-Mart in the past and I know it isn't what it was before the orignial founder died. The employees don't count like they once did; the truth is the empoyee doesn't matter with any of the big companies(corporations). They can easily be replaced. Most retail companies hire part-time only so they don't have to worry about benifits or when seasons are off they don't have to pay out too much in payroll. Many companies now run on skelton staff. everyone has to do more work and cover more for the same low pay. This has lowered the job market drastically. Is it fair? Not to those of us who have families and bills it isn't but don't think for one second that those companies give a rats arse. They don't!
I relocated to a warmer climate because of mine and my husband's health. I was supposed to be able to transfer to the store in the area. When I got here I went in instead of calling and they interviewed me then told me they filled the last two postions and had no openings. They knew I was coming but did not hold a postion for me. In the four weeks I have been waiting to see if they got an opening I have heard nothing and when I called making sure they had my new phone number. I am not even sure they wrote it down and put it in my file. Transfers are not done like they used to be. I had been with the same corporation for over 4 years, but I had gotten hurt on the job and reinjured almost a year after first one. They were unable to get rid of me for anything they could write me up for , so this was their out when I moved. No it isn't right but fact is fact and if I could fight it I would but the truth is it would do no good. When you transfer they send really basic info not work history or anything that the store you are transferring to can even decide if you are worth the time to consider you. My immediate supervisor wanted to call them and give them my work and performance but the ASM over her and our side said no they could ask for it. She could have lost her job had she went ahead and called them anyway and it was discovered. This company and another are owned by the same people but I can't work for the other either. Now that the four weeks is up I can go and reapply and if I am hired I will have lost all my time and benefits, I was full time and earned vactaion and personal days(sick days). But we had had someone transfer from a local store and the manager and that store gave them high reccomendations. Sadly they were lies but she transferred in and we didn't even need anyone. Welcome to the real world and corporation or big companies.
It is not only retail that does this. Many companies have trimmed their staffing and what is left is doing the job of two or three people now. I don't see our government caring a whole lot either but hey that is another can of worms.
Gikku
Fully agreed.
I think Bill's topic is about how gamers actitude influence the market. Therefore, he is still talking about games. The don't you dare to criticize us because we pay your salary was pretty much uncalled for.
Look Bill , I agree with your statement let gamers game , just sadly the whole site doesn´t agree with you .
Thats the issue , we all have our own products , our own vices our own way of life .
And in retrospect we all come here in search of something new that this site promote .
We want a MMORPG that entertain us , just to be flooded by tons of crazy hippy posters .
Who bash or derail a opnion about a game , to a point if you bash back .
They go into nerd rage frenzy , is totally honestly this site own fault .
Sorry people are having fun by dishing out punches , but cannot handle being punched anymore ?
So your perspectief of saying let other have there fun , is me being the punching bag ?
Honestly that doesn´t fly in modern day society anymore , its eye for a eye or scream for murder ... cause if one side shows tolerance the otherside just jump all over it .
Maybe yes the older of us should tone down a bit , but honestly whats the use .
When nobody there to teach the young people . your example of wallmart and smoke.
Exactly thats the issue , we all preach one thing and turn our back on another thing .
Why cause we are human , but it doesn´t mean we failing cause we are human.
Its always easier to point out flaws then improve ones own life .
Now you cannot change the fundamental of how people work , cause its a generation of extreme black and white , but if attacked they all hide in the grey ...