Tol Barad is an instance Zorndorf. What happened to the Pragues account (or however it was called?). You enter it, a message pops up, a loading screen appears, you enter the instance, you PvP. You're done, you do the daily quests (the real reason you're there), you finish, you move to your instanced content.
As I said, WoW is a great instanced lobby game right now, if you are into these things. If you want to remotely interact with the actual world with others (and not just run solo around) then other games, not as mainstream, are a better choice.
Rift warfronts promote a similar to WoW affliction to instances behaviour, which I don't find good for the health of the server. But the rest of the game is not as fixated to instances and claustophobic content.
Wait ... are you now seriously saying that WOW stole things from games... that aren't even playable yet ?
LOL.
Like WoW didn't rip off the achievement system from WAR before that game was launched, right?
These are businesses, and they do try to overthink and overtake the opposition, no matter how small.
I hope I'm proven wrong but the whole monorail one quest line for each zone is an attempt to directly rip off SW:TOR quest design. That would surely explain why SW:TOR has stopped talking quests and has moved their hype machine on other aspects of the game.
how long till Blizzard does the only thing they are proficient at? shamelessly plaguiarizing others
I think Blizzard is smart for doing so. They are "borrowing" ideas from other games and make it their own by polishing it. It may seem like a dirty tactic... but every MMORPG does it. Look at all the WoW clones roaming all over the place. Heck, even RIFT is a WoW clone.
The problem is that that "lobby game" has around 8 times the world of your newest preferred blonde.
And when I go into that world I see people everywhere. Doing some fishing ... (oh wait), preparing food (oh wait), leveling through gathering professions (oh wait) and leveling by mining (oh wait).
Not calling Tol Barad Island an open zone is showing you didn't do those daily quests in that PvP zone at all/
It is OPEN to all, only the pitched battle has a cao, but the rest of the island is always 100% PvP.
But well you don't even know that. Wow haters are like that. They lie.
This is exactly the reason why WOW is dying , its all about you , and what you can do .
Where is the community ?
Wait there is none , its about what YOU prefer , but problem you can´t do instances without a community .
You cannot raid without a community , so anybody leaving isn´t going to be replaced by YOU .
Thats what funny about WoW , they got a fan base thats all about themselfs .
So basically it´s in that essence a glorified chatroom of people doing solo stuff .
But talking about it on forums like its a community .
I think so, OP. I feel pretty confident that Blizzard will implement some version of "Public Questing" (ala Trion's Rifts or Warhammer's PQs), and honestly surprised they haven't done it yet. I'd say late in Cata or maybe not until next expansion though.
how long till Blizzard does the only thing they are proficient at? shamelessly improving on the well-received game mechanics
Fixed.
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how did you determine that Rift was "moderate success"?
I do not expect to see rifts and/or invasions in WoW anytime soon, allthough some sort of public quest might show up since its seen as a positive now in more then one game.
It would be interesting to see. Thing is, their design philosophy seems to go against it. These days they use alot of phasing to tell their tales; at least those tales that would have a major impact, like a Rift would. Thing with phasing though, is those events can have a permanent impact. Landscape forever changed... NPC's permenently dead, etc. Negative's being, and a big negative, certainly, that public grouping as we know it couldn't really work.
They may do something like that in an independent zone, maybe. But then that ruins what alot of people(excluding me) enjoy about them; namely their ability to be a public nuisance.
If they were to grab anything to make into their own, I'd bet it would be the soul system.
Same was said for AoC and WAR lol but after few months they went downhill so fast everybody thought they where finished off after 6 months.
Rift is 2weeks old comeback in 2 months when it still have as many subs as it have now(how many they have i dunno?) then its moderate succes:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
WoW didn't copy public quests from WAR, doubt they will copy them from Rift though maybe the fact GW2 has them as well will finally force their hand on it.
I don't think true numbers will be seen for subs until 6 months alot of people myself included went with founder pricing for the 6 month sub. Other games are following EQ2 has put in PQ's with the latest expansion not sure what they involve since I quit just before Rift launched just know they now have PQ's in EQ2.
Same was said for AoC and WAR lol but after few months they went downhill so fast everybody thought they where finished off after 6 months.
Rift is 2weeks old comeback in 2 months when it still have as many subs as it have now(how many they have i dunno?) then its moderate succes:)
true. can't really ever measure a games success until after the 1st month. so many kids play it for the free 1st month & are never seen again after that. plus with SW'ToR looming on the horizon do you really think Rift is going to be as popular as it was at release?
I would only like to add in this thread that Rift's only strength isn't in the Rifts/Invasions/Footholds.
They are the backdrop for bigger things. You don't have to, nor are you expected to attack that content constantly. Honestly it's so frequent, it's impossible. BUT as you quest and do other things...you'll see an invasion come and take out your area. You'll see footholds and Rifts appear by you, while you're questing. The point is the world is constantly changing around you. Whether you choose to be apart of it or not is up to you. There are plenty of things to do in Rift.
When I was level 43 I had 3 zones to go to Moonshade Highlands, Droughtlands, Iron Pine Peak and Two Dungeons I could run Runic Decent and Lantern Hook. I also had three warfronts to do. Also the quest start to scatter. Are some of the quests still grouped up? Absolutely, but it's completely wrong to assume that you'll go from one area of a zone to another without any divergence. There are many forked paths on this supposed train and PLENTY of unique quests.
Two examples: Stolen Kidney quest and looking for two buried relics quest.
Rift has a lot to offer, but for the ADD crowd it might not be enough in your face about it.
Trion, instead of laying everything out on the table, has left it to the players like myself whom discover crazy cool things in the game to tell others about it. They're very smart.
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The reason why i started playing Rift was the class system. Rifts were not the make or break for me at least. I don tknow about other people but WoW could add something like Rifts and i wouldnt bat an eye. Hell i wouldnt have even played Rift if it wasnt for there clas system.
Playing: PO, EVE Waiting for: WoD Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
More similar to the Rifts were the Naxx invasion events years ago (of course much more limited, but definitely alike).
I don't believe you will see such a thing in WoW, as it doesn't fit too excessively well in the game model (at least to me). If anything you might see its idea brought into Titan or a future expansion - but not in a patch anytime soon. And as a player of both games, I can say I'm having quite a bit more fun in Rift...but we'll see what happens in the next few months.
as to Rifts success i say this, if theres ppl trying to steal your account its cause its worth something ... and Trion has now implemented that "coin ... " thing to prevent just that, so they got to be doing something right ^^ ...
rift seems strong cos its stilll new, it has potential to keep going strong, but lots of games taht looks and promise better gaming experience (GW2, Tera, blade & soul, the secret world, swtor, tribes...) are coming soon so who knows......
i just wish Trion releases new races with different stories in the near future to expand the game more.... i dont like the idea of having lots of cool stuff in a game and has so limited races in each faction.... (Eth / Mathosian = humans, kelari / high elves = elf, bahmi / dwarf = tall and short humanoids..... all human-like races) rift needs more races, not only human-like races cos human is just 1 race in there.... ill keep waiting for other good games to see if trion makes new races later on.... i wont sub yet cos i dont like any of the races so far (liked dwarf bot i prefer defiant soooo.....)
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Tol Barad is an instance Zorndorf. What happened to the Pragues account (or however it was called?). You enter it, a message pops up, a loading screen appears, you enter the instance, you PvP. You're done, you do the daily quests (the real reason you're there), you finish, you move to your instanced content.
As I said, WoW is a great instanced lobby game right now, if you are into these things. If you want to remotely interact with the actual world with others (and not just run solo around) then other games, not as mainstream, are a better choice.
Rift warfronts promote a similar to WoW affliction to instances behaviour, which I don't find good for the health of the server. But the rest of the game is not as fixated to instances and claustophobic content.
WoW is just a big, fancy chat room now.
I don't have time to chat in Rift and neither does anyone else. The chats are quiet, not because nobody is playing, but because EVERYBODY is playing!
Play Rift, it's fun!
Like WoW didn't rip off the achievement system from WAR before that game was launched, right?
These are businesses, and they do try to overthink and overtake the opposition, no matter how small.
I hope I'm proven wrong but the whole monorail one quest line for each zone is an attempt to directly rip off SW:TOR quest design. That would surely explain why SW:TOR has stopped talking quests and has moved their hype machine on other aspects of the game.
According to this logic, any released game 'copied' something else that came out 1-2 year later.
lolwut?
And seriously? 'VO cinematic scenes'? This isn't 1995 where Wing Commander2 was all the rage.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I think Blizzard is smart for doing so. They are "borrowing" ideas from other games and make it their own by polishing it. It may seem like a dirty tactic... but every MMORPG does it. Look at all the WoW clones roaming all over the place. Heck, even RIFT is a WoW clone.
Intensity beats extensity everytime...
This is exactly the reason why WOW is dying , its all about you , and what you can do .
Where is the community ?
Wait there is none , its about what YOU prefer , but problem you can´t do instances without a community .
You cannot raid without a community , so anybody leaving isn´t going to be replaced by YOU .
Thats what funny about WoW , they got a fan base thats all about themselfs .
So basically it´s in that essence a glorified chatroom of people doing solo stuff .
But talking about it on forums like its a community .
Well its dying , honestly its a full of people doing there OWN stuff , exactly like YOU .
I am witnessing my wife and she says its no fun anymore , and she is worst addict then anything I seen before .
Cause nobody to organise events , raids motivate people , so in the end she is bored .
Only took me 2 months of inactivity , to accomplish that ..
Nobody wants to be the boogey man , nobody wants to keep on fishing in a pond full of people who only thinks of themself
And takes everything for granted , you know what shadow , go do something usefull if you love WoW
Go help newbies , cause all this talk on the forum only proofs one thing .
That you are the typical wow player , nobody wants to do effort for .
Edit to make no mistakes this was about wow not rift , and was directed to theshadow04
Err ... so what ?
The guy asked if WoW will introduce new features now that some other game had "success" with it.
And this is different from other MMO companies ... how ?
Everyone copies good ideas from others.
Thats how its done for ANY software, including ALL game genres.
I dont like WoW, but copying good ideas is what everyone does in this field.
It's kinda ironic to say that blizzard steals from other MMO's when rift is pretty much a mashup of 3 MMO's.
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"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
It would be interesting to see. Thing is, their design philosophy seems to go against it. These days they use alot of phasing to tell their tales; at least those tales that would have a major impact, like a Rift would. Thing with phasing though, is those events can have a permanent impact. Landscape forever changed... NPC's permenently dead, etc. Negative's being, and a big negative, certainly, that public grouping as we know it couldn't really work.
They may do something like that in an independent zone, maybe. But then that ruins what alot of people(excluding me) enjoy about them; namely their ability to be a public nuisance.
If they were to grab anything to make into their own, I'd bet it would be the soul system.
If you have a cool idea and it takes share, wow will "me too" it. If its not they wont, theyve done this with every IP they have.
Same was said for AoC and WAR lol but after few months they went downhill so fast everybody thought they where finished off after 6 months.
Rift is 2weeks old comeback in 2 months when it still have as many subs as it have now(how many they have i dunno?) then its moderate succes:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
WoW didn't copy public quests from WAR, doubt they will copy them from Rift though maybe the fact GW2 has them as well will finally force their hand on it.
I don't think true numbers will be seen for subs until 6 months alot of people myself included went with founder pricing for the 6 month sub. Other games are following EQ2 has put in PQ's with the latest expansion not sure what they involve since I quit just before Rift launched just know they now have PQ's in EQ2.
true. can't really ever measure a games success until after the 1st month. so many kids play it for the free 1st month & are never seen again after that. plus with SW'ToR looming on the horizon do you really think Rift is going to be as popular as it was at release?
I would only like to add in this thread that Rift's only strength isn't in the Rifts/Invasions/Footholds.
They are the backdrop for bigger things. You don't have to, nor are you expected to attack that content constantly. Honestly it's so frequent, it's impossible. BUT as you quest and do other things...you'll see an invasion come and take out your area. You'll see footholds and Rifts appear by you, while you're questing. The point is the world is constantly changing around you. Whether you choose to be apart of it or not is up to you. There are plenty of things to do in Rift.
When I was level 43 I had 3 zones to go to Moonshade Highlands, Droughtlands, Iron Pine Peak and Two Dungeons I could run Runic Decent and Lantern Hook. I also had three warfronts to do. Also the quest start to scatter. Are some of the quests still grouped up? Absolutely, but it's completely wrong to assume that you'll go from one area of a zone to another without any divergence. There are many forked paths on this supposed train and PLENTY of unique quests.
Two examples: Stolen Kidney quest and looking for two buried relics quest.
Rift has a lot to offer, but for the ADD crowd it might not be enough in your face about it.
Trion, instead of laying everything out on the table, has left it to the players like myself whom discover crazy cool things in the game to tell others about it. They're very smart.
Just a warning to not let this thread turn into another Rift vs. WoW thread r it will be locked as such. Please use the stickied discussion thread if you feel compelled to write game comparison posts.
To give feedback on moderation, contact mikeb@mmorpg.com
The reason why i started playing Rift was the class system. Rifts were not the make or break for me at least. I don tknow about other people but WoW could add something like Rifts and i wouldnt bat an eye. Hell i wouldnt have even played Rift if it wasnt for there clas system.
Playing: PO, EVE
Waiting for: WoD
Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO
Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
More similar to the Rifts were the Naxx invasion events years ago (of course much more limited, but definitely alike).
I don't believe you will see such a thing in WoW, as it doesn't fit too excessively well in the game model (at least to me). If anything you might see its idea brought into Titan or a future expansion - but not in a patch anytime soon. And as a player of both games, I can say I'm having quite a bit more fun in Rift...but we'll see what happens in the next few months.
as to Rifts success i say this, if theres ppl trying to steal your account its cause its worth something ... and Trion has now implemented that "coin ... " thing to prevent just that, so they got to be doing something right ^^ ...
rift seems strong cos its stilll new, it has potential to keep going strong, but lots of games taht looks and promise better gaming experience (GW2, Tera, blade & soul, the secret world, swtor, tribes...) are coming soon so who knows......
i just wish Trion releases new races with different stories in the near future to expand the game more.... i dont like the idea of having lots of cool stuff in a game and has so limited races in each faction.... (Eth / Mathosian = humans, kelari / high elves = elf, bahmi / dwarf = tall and short humanoids..... all human-like races) rift needs more races, not only human-like races cos human is just 1 race in there.... ill keep waiting for other good games to see if trion makes new races later on.... i wont sub yet cos i dont like any of the races so far (liked dwarf bot i prefer defiant soooo.....)