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Should I buy now or wait a little longer?
kinky10
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I've read lots of the posts on here, and it seems pretty safe to say there are many conflicting arguments.
Sounds like there are the common "launch" issues but so long as the game is playable for 60% of the time I can live with that.
Would it be best to wait a bit, I'm tinkering with Wurm as I really like the idea of a game setting like this but Xsyon seems to be something interesting and I'm struggling with Wurms character models/animations.
Is all this game PVP FFA? Whilst I get the concept I'm not sure I ike the sound of building something only to be ganked and potentially losing all my stuff and then having to start again?
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Firstly, if you're not sure about what the specific game mechanics are or what you can live with, I wouldn't go running to buy anything. This game is open PvP and what you have on you CAN be taken. That being said, there are tribal safe zones.
As far as the launch issues, the lag was really extremely unplayably bad. At first. They were pretty good about getting it together, though. While they have a few issues to nail down in that department, the game is totally playable now. During the peak times, we still get lag spikes, but most of the time its been smooth sailing (with an unscheduled update/maintenance here and there) lately.
My personal recommendation for you would be to wait (I say this because you don't seem to completely grasp what the game itself is/offers). Research the game more, see if the concepts behind it are for you. This is a very "free" world type setup. You're just dumped into the wilderness around Lake Tahoe and other than the wild, there's just the players. Lots of building, ganking and naked fishing going on. So if the thought of the possibility of getting ganked and robbed by a dude in his undies holding a fishing pole doesn't do it for you, I'd think long and hard before grabbing Xsyon!
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
Well there have been some unstable moments ofcourse,
nothing new here with indie MMO launches ^^ but the game is being improved alot
and updates keep coming, its pretty fun and it is playable.
Its not really all about the ffa pvp, i for example am with my tribe,
The Audacian Republic ( A Roman-esque tribe) building our homecity,
since we want to do it in roman style it takes ages but its really fun to work together with everyone...
You should go to the xsyon forums and look at some tribe advertisments, because i think
the game is much more fun when in a tribe
more people, more fun in an MMO (at least for me ^^)
regards,
vlad
During the last 3 days the game ran smoothly for me in peak gaming times. Lagspikes happen here and there but nothing awful.
No one can destroy that you built and terraformed, they are in your safe tribe area. If you are a solo player your homestead is a safe zone, no one can touch you or your stuffs there.
I'm a solo player with a homestead, when I go out of my area I carry nothing or only things I can easily replace. Its easy to run away from attacks, I haven't been killed even once during the last 6 months (I've been in the beta for long). You just need to learn not to stop running if you are attacked, and sprint every time when your attacker switch to combat mode (which slows him down). This way he won't even be able to hit you once, only if you are way too heavy and can't run properly.
I can tell you the game is getting better and better. It's made leaps and bounds over the past week in regards to lag. Earlier this week there were times where we had 10 seconds to minutes worth of lag on actions. The past few days I have almost been lag free, even during peak times. Still have some hiccups and periods of lag, but it's getting better.
I can also tell you that if you enjoy Wurm, you will like Xsyon. As far as waiting to buy it, totally up to you. If you want to be sure, I'd keep waiting a bit and keep playing Wurm, but if you have the money to spend, go for it. I will add that there will be a free trial soon hopefully. They have not given a time table regarding the implementation of the trial server, but I do know that the devs want one soon.
The game is called FFA PvP but it not really is. Very easy to flee from an attack, and if you set your bags to private then even if you get killed people won't be able to open your bags and loot you. Tribe/homestead areas are safe zones for now, after Prelude players will be able to choose if they want to keep their safe zones or not, so warfare will be optional, if you choose not to be a warring tribe then your area will never be sieged.
I asked the support if warfare will ever be forced and got this answer:
"I am not going to force submit players into a war game. The plan is to allow warring tribes but not require it."
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There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
The trick is to sprint exactly when your attacker switch to combat mode. Its enough to sprint for a short while. When he gets back to you, sprint again and so on. They usually give up pretty fast.
When you drop a basket/bin/bag on the ground you can set permission on it. Set to tribe or private. This is not an exploit, this feature is supposed to be used by everyone and they do use it.
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There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
You press the X key to sprint.
The bag "exploit" I believe will not be like that forever. It is likely a temporary mechanic so that new players don't get ganked and their tools stolen.
Likely, later on, when there are consequences to PK'ing and armor and weapons actually work properly, its likely we'll see full bag looting working differently.
Short answer: Hold off a bit.
I'm playing it and loving it. However, it does have a few hiccups that need to be ironed out. It is fun as is, and you will probably have a good time if you do come in. Its kind of fun, frustrating, and everything else building the cities. Wait too long and everything will have been built. This can be good or bad depending if you like that sort of thing.
- There is FFA PvP: Not very advanced, but ppl are having a blast forming war parties and finding victims
- There is crafting: Almost a game unto itself when crafting items. Can be tedious but crafting types are having a good time.
- There is terrafoming: A lot of it going on at the moment as the cities are being developed. Had fun building stonehenge.
- Professions: Good variety, can do them all. There are some professions that aren't in game yet.
- Seasons: Seasons are represented. Its winter now and things are covered with snow. pretty cool even as it makes thing more difficul.
- Day/night: In game
- terrain: Mountainess with lots of rivers, a giant lake. Based on lake Tahoe
- Graphics: Good, not great or earth shattering
- Sound: Could use some work
- GUI: Needs some work
- Future: Many features are still planned. I believe the devs because they seem a pretty good bunch.
Thats all I've got right now. PM me if you have any specific questions. Like I said, I really enjoy the game, but wil give as honest answers as possible.
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Thanks for the sprint info. I see now that it actually is inthe manual but the way it is worded, it doesn't give the impression it is all that useful.
As for the bag thing being "a temporary mechanic so that new players don't get ganked and their tools stolen," if it is true they are leaving the exploit in as a stopgap for the RPKing of newbies problem, then that's an interesting approach. If that's the reason it is still there, then it seems an odd solution. Here's why:
- it isn't relayed to the newbs
- any logical person would *avoid* doing it if they discovered it because that is an intentional abuse of an obviously unintentional game mechanic (exploit)
- it seems that if they were looking to put in a temporary mechanic so that new players don't get ganked and their tools stolen, they would just flag the starter bag as'owner' when the character is created or do some other logical, documented change. This way all the newbs are protected from the start with a clearly intended safeguard.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Sprinting really depends on how high your running skill is and your fortitude / agility. With both of those maxed out and a decent running skill (around 30 - 50, the higher the better of course) and if you keep well fed and hydrated (not fat, just at normal weight levels) you can run a pretty long distance using very little energy.
People often complain about how fast you move in game, but when they see me run they freak out that I'm moving so fast. Granted I spec'd for quick movement. Last night for instance I outran 2 PK'ers (they were fully geared). Most of the time when I'm out scavenging I don't even bother to fight them. If I see someone come close to me like they are going to hit me I just sprint a little down the road. If they follow, I take off. Its important to pay attention to your energy levels when doing this.
As for the bag thing.. there are a lot of things that aren't particularly relayed to new players, such as the lack of a map, or how to understand the location coordinate system. I was told that this was a temporary mechanic, whether it is intentional or unintentional I'm not sure.
While most tools wil stay in your bag, items like fishing poles, axes, and knives are on your person when you log in and can still be lootable, so not sure whats going on with that. Either way I'm not extremely worried about it. I think they should allow for a single 10 space pouch to be unlootable, and the rest completely lootable. That way you can always carry a few things with you and not have to worry about them being taken. Thats just me though.. and I mostly do crafting and use tons of spaces, so for someone who mainly PvPs that may not be necessary.
Wait.
This game needs to stable out.
A lot of people got refunds last monday. That cleared up a TON of server resources allowing the game to function. Let the dev team work on it for a few weeks, maybe 1-2 months. Build back up a better stabliity/reputation. Then order it.
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By then, if you are planning on a homestead, good luck in finding a place. You may have no option but to join a tribe.
That's some excellent info, MW. Thanks! I wish there was a way to have that lkind of info readily available in a help section or tutorial ingame.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Lol. I don't care if you believe or not, its not an exploit. Here is what Virtus said about it when a new player asked about stealing/looting: - Can only full loot or steal from public containers
I don't know if its temporary or not, but for now its working as intended.
You can sprint by pressing X in the game.
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Is there any sort of guides that would help a new player? I am completely confused as to how to start playing this game. I bought it a while back, and all I managed to figure out how to do was fish. Which took a while to figure out how to remove everything from my hands and make sure the pole was in my "right" hand.
So, Virtus IS a dev now? He spent a year convincing us he's not. And you really believe that is in reference ot bags in one's pack? I have no problem at all with mechanics that help new players but I have a big problem with a playerbase that rationalizes obvious exploits and bugs as 'intended' gameplay.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
There is a manual, you can see the link on the patcher's screen. Check out Saintbob's video tutorials on youtube, they are great help for new players.
Here is everything you need (this is a sticky on the Xsyon forum): http://www.xsyon.com/forum/showthread.php/4437-Compiled-List-of-Helpful-Forum-Posts
I noticed yesterday that Virtus has changed his title on the forum, it was Admin but its Xsyon Developer now. So yes, it seems he is a dev now ( or he is kidding lol).
I agree with Rumpunch, as far as I know bag permissions are working as intended. If you don't believe it why don't you ask Virtus ? The comment Rumpunch quoted was about looting, you loot someone's backpack, not a basket on the ground.
Thanks for the info, really useful, I don't know if I can wait anymore to play.
Appreciate there are issues but if I know about these in advance I can live with them.
There is just nothing out there that seems to have all these features and I guess the worry is by the time I get round to playing there is no space or nothing to build etc.
Has all the space really already gone now? I'm not adversed to joining a tribe but I'd like to sample it all solo first.
Any idea how many subs they have?
I tried to have a quick look on the website but is the game download only?
Any idea how big it is in terms of gigs?, also If I've understood correctly it's 40 usd and a months fee of 14.99?
Surely they will they open another server in due course or will it always be 1 server for all?
There is still a lot of space to settle down, and they plan to open up new lands in April.
There is no really info about the subs, it's been more than 2k in Jan before the big player influx, my guess is 4-5k now.
The download is about 3.5GB.
Its 40 USD and you get 6 weeks of free play with the client, after that its 14.99 USD/month.
The server is a hard question. They said they will try to keep it as one world (like Eve), but if the population grow too fast they might be forced to open a new server. And there might be a demand for separated playing styles ( a safer and a more war oriented one) in that case they might open another server as well.
Thanks, I think I'm going to jump in.
I just can't resist
Id welcome a non PVP server as I'm just a carebear but I guess in a game like this going down that route probably defeats the object?
Uf you thhink you might like this game and if this game g´has the fetures you wish from a mmo then buy it nothing much will happen other than you find out if you like or dislike it.
I'd welcome a non FFA PvP server (faction PvP would be very okay for me) but I can't see us getting one. I'd guesstimate that about 20% - 30% of Xsyon players now are former Darkfall/MO/Shadowbane players and their crying, screaming, kicking and swearing on the forums if they would release a non FFA PvP server would be epic.
That said, it's pretty much still open if Xsyon will develop into a Darkfall or Eve-type of game for PvP, i.e. whether less aggressive playstyles will be possible or whether it's bound to become an all-out fragfest.
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