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paladins over pwered (poll inside)
enik23
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paladins are way over powered they have 2 much armor points (buffs), and they are the hardest class to kill (divinity shield heal) and when a paladin heals ure pritty much done for. the only class that comes close to a paladin is a shaman. and me as beeing an unded roge i think that is really unfair that a lvl 32 paladin can kill me when i am lvl 36 1 on 1.
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I would say yes. As a rogue I have a very hard time killing them. It wouldn't be so hard if they couldn't use that immune spell when they are stunned... I'm not sure why they can, I think it may be the only skill in the game that you can use while stunned.
I open up with a stun, they go immune. So I just sit there, and can't do anything about it. I tick away at their damage when it wears off, and when they are low on health, another immune and full-heal. While they are immune i usually use a bandage, but before I know it I'm still low on health and I'm forced to run usually, or I get killed.
If I open up with an ambush.. same thing, immune, heal, immune, heal, and then I'm back down to low health why they are just about full.
Even with a bandage that heals for 800 hp, I still usually come out on the wrong end. If I use a bandage and a healing pot, then I can almost always win... but I shouldn't have to spend 50s every time I want to beat a paladin, when they paladin is spending nothing. A hunter is really the only class that will usually come out on top. If a rogue gets the first hit off in stealth he should be at an advantage no matter what the class.
Not to mention the paladin can also act as the main tank and main healer in groups...
As for shaman, I'm horde so I haven't had much experience PvPing them.
I don't really care if they get nerfed or not, just saying I think they're overpowered..
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enik23,
If you are unable to kill a Paladin 4 levels lower than you, then you aren't playing your Rogue correctly. I've seen videos and even seen my friend (undead rogue) while playing take down paladins a few levels below and the odd paladin a level higher then he was.
You just need to learn how to play your character and STOP WHINING. Most of us don't go to the official forums because you're one of the many reason.. too many whiners.
Blizzard are working on fixes for all the classes to balance them out.
But like I said learn to play your character.
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Paladins are Unique class for Aliance .. so as Shamans for Horde. Actualy Shamans were made as Anti-paladin class. As lvl 41 Shaman i had no problems with lvl 43-44 Paladins. Its a great fight but the score is me - 8 - Palies -2 .
On the other hand if you lose to someone 4-5 lvls lower than u that means u have to stop playing couse its just silly
I would say someone would have to stop playing their class because they got killed by someone 4 to 5 levels lower then themselves. The fact is they need to stop and think what they did wrong and how they came get around that problem. Most of the time if due to being unlucky or using the wrong skills or building your character all wrong from the moment you get your talant points.
But if you still get killed by people 4 to 5 levels below you I think it would be time to think about making another character which you may be better at.
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Ok, the first thing you need to do is: Stop.
Assess the situation, no team in football ever got better by running blindly into battle, they watch movies of their rivals plays and strategies and then go into battle.
Most likely just adjusting HOW you battle the paladin will change the outcome.
Stun's don't interrupt anything that is instant, so what you do is you attack the paladin then wait for the shield to go up, once it goes back down THEN stun him, assuming you can do the stun any time you want not when stealthed. Try to force the enemy into a frenzy, it is the best way to kill an enemy. You have the plan, as a rogue YOU have the advantage and if you can confuse the enemy you will come out on top.
So, basically. STOP whining, START thinking. Through the miracle of EVOLUTION you have huge mass of nerve tissue in your head larger than almost every known animal on earth so USE IT. You can never blindly run into battle especially against an enemy that can use his head.
Word.
Stop whining and start thinking.
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Not here to whine cause while they do need a nerf even if they dont get one im still going to go after them... But hell these punks are overpowerd.. Immune, heal, immune, heal... and there heals are very very Mana friendly either that or they have 1 hell of a mana pool, every single one of them....
So yes I would say they are overpowered by a long shot... Make there heals cost more mana and I would be happy they can keep all those damn Immunes.
But hell the nerf bat probably wont come to them, so thats why I started a Mage aka pally killer.
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They're pretty balanced. One lone paladin can only send off maybe 3 heals before they're running low on mana.
They aren't immune to damage, they are just difficult to deal with.
Again. Stop, think, DON'T rush blindly into battle and make sure you know what to do before you do it.
Also remember, they cannot keep healing and immuning forever, hit and run works well allong with twitchy jumping arround, and that instant full-heal is on a one hour timer.
They aren't dreadfully overpowered IMO. Then again i'm alliance so i'm biased so my opinion means nothing to me.
No, they are not that owerpowered, and it'd be alot better if they boosted the weaker classes instead of nerfingt anything. But as it is the prob is not owerpowered classses, it's people that can't handle their class of choice and thus getting spanked and starting to cry "nerf, nerf" and ultimately destroying the whole game if they get their way.
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Maybe your Undead rogue had some problems vs Paladin because of all the Paladins bonus to undead killing? Eh, I dont worry to much about it, every class has people they can easily kill and people they better run away from, just my opinion, I might be wrong, Im only level 10
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Sorry but the only ppl who complain about paladins are bottom-feeding rogue gankers and low-life griefers who think that they should be able to go toe-to-toe with any class in the game and own it. Sorry kiddies but Blizzard stated that WoW was PvP for groups not 1-on-1 battles to stroke you egos with.
Funny how I'll be killing something and have a low-life rogue jump me from behind just to find out he/she bit off more than they can chew and has to run off with thier tail between thier legs.....then they run to the boards and whine that classes need a nerf who they can't own 1-on-1....
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Paladins are OVERPOWERED. I played one to 44, and I did a good amount of pvping. The fact that I can take almost every class 1v1 and them having 3-4 lvls on me, is not good. They need to either bring the classes up to how good they are, or give the Paladin AND Shaman both a beating with the nerf stick.
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You retard, I played one in retail, not beta. Quit trying to get around it, their overpowered. I had a 44 human paladin and a 40 ne rogue on Tichondrius, their overpowered, get over it.
Oh yah, also had a 2v1 and won it. So that's more then 1v1, paladins need a nerf. Luckily there so many bad paladins who don't know how to play it, horde has nothing to worry about.
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You retard, I played one in retail, not beta. Quit trying to get around it, their overpowered. I had a 44 human paladin and a 40 ne rogue on Tichondrius, their overpowered, get over it.
Oh yah, also had a 2v1 and won it. So that's more then 1v1, paladins need a nerf. Luckily there so many bad paladins who don't know how to play it, horde has nothing to worry about.
Hush with the name calling child and calm yourself.......How many times do I have to tell you: THE GAME IS BASED ON MASSIVE PvP....sheesh... now that you have that statement in your thick skull...please try to keep up.....Battlegrounds will be the "tell-all" if some classes need a little balancing and as of now they don't have them activated. Also all your(the) whining and crying in the world will not get devs to change a class, as they already stated that they don't listen to whining fanboys who call for the nerfbat.
BTW since you're obviously not playing the game anymore then why bother giving your outdated opinion? It's not like getting to level 44 is a tough feat in itself.....
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You nerf crying kids why don't you try this. Paladins cant do ranged attacks. MAYBE TRY USING THAT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE! Again, like that guy said, think more rush less. NOT A SINGLE CLASS IN WoW DESERVES TO BE NERFED. The Warrior might need a little boost, but thats about it.
Notice how this is World of WARcraft, not World of DUELcraft. It is centered on large-scale fights, not 1v1 slap fests. Notice why they are implementing Battlegrounds.
...sheesh.
I would just like to point out that the undead character classification was changed from "undead" to "human" specifically so that they couldn't get ganked as easily by classes that had bonus damage versus undead units.
OMFG!!1!1!!111!!11111ONEONEONE!!!! NERF TEH EVERYTHING BUT <enter your players class here.>.
Seriously, don't people tire of making posts like these? It's fruitless, embarassing, and only makes you look like a "noobie" if you will. Notice the people that have actually come up with strategies for their class and do okay in PvP never come and make posts like these?
When I say "do okay" doesn't mean they own everything in sight, maybe the lose some, but they realize how they lost and are ready to improve. But the 15 year old kid with a 9 year old attitude loses to the Shaman, he calls "NERF!" When he loses to the Paladin, he calls "NERF!" When he loses to the Rogue, Warrior, Priest, Warlock, Hunter he cries "NERF! NERF! NERF! NERF!"
You realize, in that much time you could have raised that many levels and gotten that much better? Create a strat, re-work your talent tree, get better and quit trying to nerf everything you cannot beat on your first try.
P.S. Long time rogue player here, and I resent the comment made above. I have been beaten by and beaten countless amounts of Paladins and Warriors with my Peirce Armor skill at 5 CPs, I take them down fairly easily. Kick the Pallies when they try to heal. But more to the point, you shouldn't point a finger at any one class. Do you see me trying to talk blizzard into swinging the nerf bat? Nuh-uh...
This is why I joined the alliance. I was sick of having my Undead Priest killed by Paladins. So if you can't beat'em, join'em!
At least if the Paladins were nerfed it'd be 1 of the several reasons to play back with the Horde.
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