Well sure...I upgrade every few years, as a gamer I tend to pair my components with whats out today...or have some life left in it for something maybe even a year or two down the road. I wouldnt compare anything in my system with something that will be out in 5 years from now...for me thats not even an option. In all honesty, maybe I shouldnt have assumed someone else would think the same way I do....lol. But I still stand by what i said as in building a computer "today", I would not spend hundreds of dollars on top RAM modules. My opinion could very well change in a few years....today, no.
Buying high end RAM, IMO is one of the worst investments you could make....if your not overclocking, 1333 speeds are fine....1600 if you plan to OC.....higher speeds if you really gonna water cool or something (with extreme OC's) Even then....a name brand will be good enough. All these "Gaming" "High Performance" labels are just added security. If RAM is rated to run at a certain speed...it should, buying a brand $100 or $200 more because it says "Gaming" or something on it is BS. Decide if your going to OC or not and go from there. RAM speeds are so negligable unless your doing benchmarks. Spend your money on tighter CAS speeds and Quantity IMO.
I agree, high-perf and gaming memory modules are just and illusion you're buying the best. Fact is performance gained is really negligable. I know because i bought some in the past and didnt saw any noticable change in performance.
Worth spending hundreds on memory? No, or at least not unless what you're paying for is enormous capacity rather than bandwidth. Llano is supposed to be for budget systems, anyway. But unless AMD pulls out something weird like a side channel of GDDR5 soldered to the motherboard, Llano will make memory bandwidth matter, so that it will be critical to get 1600 MHz DDR3 rather than 1333 MHz. And 1866 MHz DDR3 would likewise be desirable if prices on it come down.
Sounds like someone is doing their first build. That is awesome. Ive built literally thousands of machines. If the parts are gonna break, the are typically already broken by the time you get them. Your computer will act "real weird". The great thing is that Newegg takes them right back.
Manufacturer warranties are awesome and they are free. They just take time to get your parts back. I have used them daily for customers at various jobs over the years without any problems. Ive sent RMA's to every vendor and manufacturer you know of and probably dont even know. They all abide by them with out fail. Dell would charge you over 100 bucks for the same warranty you get for free.
For computers that I have built for myself or personal friends, I have only had to send back 1 order of ram and 2 video cards. It is really unlikely that anything will fail for the next few years. By that time, you will typically upgrade anyway.
Ram speeds really dont matter for anyone that doesnt overclock. If you leave things at stock, you will never notice the difference between the slowest ddr3 ram and the fastest ddr3. I have both, I have been bored enough to test that theory.
Sounds like someone is doing their first build. That is awesome. Ive built literally thousands of machines. If the parts are gonna break, the are typically already broken by the time you get them. Your computer will act "real weird". The great thing is that Newegg takes them right back.
Manufacturer warranties are awesome and they are free. They just take time to get your parts back. I have used them daily for customers at various jobs over the years without any problems. Ive sent RMA's to every vendor and manufacturer you know of and probably dont even know. They all abide by them with out fail. Dell would charge you over 100 bucks for the same warranty you get for free.
For computers that I have built for myself or personal friends, I have only had to send back 1 order of ram and 2 video cards. It is really unlikely that anything will fail for the next few years. By that time, you will typically upgrade anyway.
Ram speeds really dont matter for anyone that doesnt overclock. If you leave things at stock, you will never notice the difference between the slowest ddr3 ram and the fastest ddr3. I have both,I have been bored enough to test that theory.
Newegg is the shit when it comes to DOA (Dead on Arrival) and warranty. Honestly, don't even mess with the devloper, go straight back to Newegg. They also have fast shipping, for some reason. You can find awesome deals, I can't reccoment them enough.
I reccomend for hardware:
Asus motherboard
Patriot RAM (The RAM is awesome, with the bonus that you're supporting US jobs, if you're into that. Western Digital hard drives also supports US jobs.)
Nvidia Geforce Graphics. 480-580 GTX is awesome. Runs smooth with almost anything.
AMD processors. Lately, for some reason, Intel is lagging behind AMD. I've been die-hard AMD for... since my first system, but I've admitted defeat a while ago based on some benchmarks showing that intel was ahead, but it seems to have turned the other way, recently.
Windows 7 preforms well, as a side note. A lot of people are clinging to XP after the great Vista fail, but it's safe. I promise. (Though that's probably less relevent) Go with a 64-bit.
If the goal is to support US jobs, then Crucial is not only a US company, but the consumer brand name for Micron, the only US company that actually builds the memory chips. Not that that particularly matters, I suppose, but why Patriot?
Why Nvidia graphics? They got crushed this generation and last. The GeForce GTX 480 that you cite was an awful card. The GeForce GTX 580 fixes the problems with it, but they still lost badly to AMD in performance per watt, performance per mm^2, and feature set.
And no, Intel isn't lagging behind AMD in processors. Maybe if you mean sub-$180 processors so that you exclude all of the Intel processors that are good. But at the high end, AMD is trailing, and badly. All that AMD can say is, yeah, our processors aren't as good, but we'll sell them to you for cheaper. That might change soon with the launch of Bulldozer, but that's not out yet.
Well, unless you're looking at a netbook or nettop, in which case, yes, Bobcat crushes Atom. Atom was supposed to be for cell phones, not real computers.
Thanks alot for the help guys. I've decided to go with the building my own option with my firend, seems like the best option. I'm still not sure about GPU wise, I still kinda like the 580 over the cheaper options, but Quizzical does bring up good points. As for SDD's im still not completely sold. They do sound nice but I'm just not sure if I want to put money toward those yet, plus its something thats easy to install so if I did find I wanted one I could always buy it later.
But thanks alot yall gave me alot of good info and stuff to think about, when It comes time to order parts in a month or so I'll make sure to post what I'm planning on getting here so yall can make sure its ok.
When Crysis 2 came out, Nvidia crushed ATI/AMD. Granted, their best preforming cards were almost neck-and neck at a low resolution, at a higher rez, Nvidia almost doubled it. This is recent, since crysis 2 only just came out.
When Crysis 2 came out, Nvidia crushed ATI/AMD. Granted, their best preforming cards were almost neck-and neck at a low resolution, at a higher rez, Nvidia almost doubled it. This is recent, since crysis 2 only just came out.
so what about the remark you made about intel trailing to AMD "lately"?
When Crysis 2 came out, Nvidia crushed ATI/AMD. Granted, their best preforming cards were almost neck-and neck at a low resolution, at a higher rez, Nvidia almost doubled it. This is recent, since crysis 2 only just came out.
Give a link, not just wild claims.
And new games tend to be buggy, and not necessarily representative of typical performance once the bugs are worked out. Nvidia faring better at higher resolutions than lower ones is highly probable to be a bug, as that's the opposite of what is usual for the current architectures.
When Crysis 2 came out, Nvidia crushed ATI/AMD. Granted, their best preforming cards were almost neck-and neck at a low resolution, at a higher rez, Nvidia almost doubled it. This is recent, since crysis 2 only just came out.
Oh look, the Radeon HD 6870 beats a GeForce GTX 580 at Dragon Age 2. The 6870 isn't even AMD's high end, and can easily be found for under $200 after rebate. The 6950 and 6970 are faster yet.
The game is, of course, an outlier. And Nvidia will likely close the gap at least somewhat in future drivers, once they figure out why their cards aren't performing properly. That this or that particular game happens to favor one architecture or another doesn't mean that the cards are uniformly better. If you want a game that is very friendly to Nvidia, try Lost Planet 2.
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Well sure...I upgrade every few years, as a gamer I tend to pair my components with whats out today...or have some life left in it for something maybe even a year or two down the road. I wouldnt compare anything in my system with something that will be out in 5 years from now...for me thats not even an option. In all honesty, maybe I shouldnt have assumed someone else would think the same way I do....lol. But I still stand by what i said as in building a computer "today", I would not spend hundreds of dollars on top RAM modules. My opinion could very well change in a few years....today, no.
I agree, high-perf and gaming memory modules are just and illusion you're buying the best. Fact is performance gained is really negligable. I know because i bought some in the past and didnt saw any noticable change in performance.
Worth spending hundreds on memory? No, or at least not unless what you're paying for is enormous capacity rather than bandwidth. Llano is supposed to be for budget systems, anyway. But unless AMD pulls out something weird like a side channel of GDDR5 soldered to the motherboard, Llano will make memory bandwidth matter, so that it will be critical to get 1600 MHz DDR3 rather than 1333 MHz. And 1866 MHz DDR3 would likewise be desirable if prices on it come down.
Sounds like someone is doing their first build. That is awesome. Ive built literally thousands of machines. If the parts are gonna break, the are typically already broken by the time you get them. Your computer will act "real weird". The great thing is that Newegg takes them right back.
Manufacturer warranties are awesome and they are free. They just take time to get your parts back. I have used them daily for customers at various jobs over the years without any problems. Ive sent RMA's to every vendor and manufacturer you know of and probably dont even know. They all abide by them with out fail. Dell would charge you over 100 bucks for the same warranty you get for free.
For computers that I have built for myself or personal friends, I have only had to send back 1 order of ram and 2 video cards. It is really unlikely that anything will fail for the next few years. By that time, you will typically upgrade anyway.
Ram speeds really dont matter for anyone that doesnt overclock. If you leave things at stock, you will never notice the difference between the slowest ddr3 ram and the fastest ddr3. I have both, I have been bored enough to test that theory.
LOL
Newegg is the shit when it comes to DOA (Dead on Arrival) and warranty. Honestly, don't even mess with the devloper, go straight back to Newegg. They also have fast shipping, for some reason. You can find awesome deals, I can't reccoment them enough.
I reccomend for hardware:
Asus motherboard
Patriot RAM (The RAM is awesome, with the bonus that you're supporting US jobs, if you're into that. Western Digital hard drives also supports US jobs.)
Nvidia Geforce Graphics. 480-580 GTX is awesome. Runs smooth with almost anything.
AMD processors. Lately, for some reason, Intel is lagging behind AMD. I've been die-hard AMD for... since my first system, but I've admitted defeat a while ago based on some benchmarks showing that intel was ahead, but it seems to have turned the other way, recently.
Windows 7 preforms well, as a side note. A lot of people are clinging to XP after the great Vista fail, but it's safe. I promise. (Though that's probably less relevent) Go with a 64-bit.
Um, eek?
If the goal is to support US jobs, then Crucial is not only a US company, but the consumer brand name for Micron, the only US company that actually builds the memory chips. Not that that particularly matters, I suppose, but why Patriot?
Why Nvidia graphics? They got crushed this generation and last. The GeForce GTX 480 that you cite was an awful card. The GeForce GTX 580 fixes the problems with it, but they still lost badly to AMD in performance per watt, performance per mm^2, and feature set.
And no, Intel isn't lagging behind AMD in processors. Maybe if you mean sub-$180 processors so that you exclude all of the Intel processors that are good. But at the high end, AMD is trailing, and badly. All that AMD can say is, yeah, our processors aren't as good, but we'll sell them to you for cheaper. That might change soon with the launch of Bulldozer, but that's not out yet.
Well, unless you're looking at a netbook or nettop, in which case, yes, Bobcat crushes Atom. Atom was supposed to be for cell phones, not real computers.
Thanks alot for the help guys. I've decided to go with the building my own option with my firend, seems like the best option. I'm still not sure about GPU wise, I still kinda like the 580 over the cheaper options, but Quizzical does bring up good points. As for SDD's im still not completely sold. They do sound nice but I'm just not sure if I want to put money toward those yet, plus its something thats easy to install so if I did find I wanted one I could always buy it later.
But thanks alot yall gave me alot of good info and stuff to think about, when It comes time to order parts in a month or so I'll make sure to post what I'm planning on getting here so yall can make sure its ok.
Thanks.
When Crysis 2 came out, Nvidia crushed ATI/AMD. Granted, their best preforming cards were almost neck-and neck at a low resolution, at a higher rez, Nvidia almost doubled it. This is recent, since crysis 2 only just came out.
so what about the remark you made about intel trailing to AMD "lately"?
Give a link, not just wild claims.
And new games tend to be buggy, and not necessarily representative of typical performance once the bugs are worked out. Nvidia faring better at higher resolutions than lower ones is highly probable to be a bug, as that's the opposite of what is usual for the current architectures.
Since you're taking your time, I'll give a link:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/03/28/dragon_age_2_gameplay_performance_review/7
Oh look, the Radeon HD 6870 beats a GeForce GTX 580 at Dragon Age 2. The 6870 isn't even AMD's high end, and can easily be found for under $200 after rebate. The 6950 and 6970 are faster yet.
The game is, of course, an outlier. And Nvidia will likely close the gap at least somewhat in future drivers, once they figure out why their cards aren't performing properly. That this or that particular game happens to favor one architecture or another doesn't mean that the cards are uniformly better. If you want a game that is very friendly to Nvidia, try Lost Planet 2.