It really seems like a lot of people have some sort of grudge against Trion and are WANTING to see this game fail. Why? Are you going to win money if it does? Lose money if it doesn't? It's like it's getting you guys off;
"Oh yeah... of yes... fail... please fail... oh xfire... and numbers... oh they dropped... yes drop for me baby... oh... oh... FAIL!"
Actually, some people are just tired of seeing WoW clones and want every clone to fail, in the hopes that one day, a company comes along and makes a new game instead of a copy of an old game.
Amen to this, f..cking spot on.
I think that's the reason too.
A number of people visiting and posting here just want every MMO that isn't within their taste range to fail. So that explains the constant game bashing of themepark MMO's and the often lack of reason in those discussions: it namely isn't about having a reasonable discussion about a game, but about doing whatever someone can contribute to making a game look bad by bashing it, with the goal of seeing every themepark oriented MMO fail
We don't have to want therm to fail or even like to see them fail...they do that all on their own.
Myself and 5 of my buddies all decided to NOT sub past our 30 days free because after the first 20 levels the game really becomes a drag ... a been there done that type feel to it. Boring i guess is one way of putting it. The game really has nothing new to it to really keep it fun and exciting. Just grind grind grind or Rift hunt but hope you can close the rifts because norm people just run past them becasue they are bored of them as well. Pvp feels very stale to me very very stale like people are just going thru the motions. Classs are unbalanced really unballanced and GLfixing that Trion. Also for me spending hours trying to organize a grp for dungeon runs sucks. The community sucks too only people that talk are trolls.... but w/e imo if this game came out as it is today maybe 6 years ago then it would be awesome but its 6 years to late for me. So for now guess ill be playing black-ops untill something new comes out thats not just another "clone"
I play on Corthana and Wolfsbane and at this point the population is extremely healthy through all level ranges. Wolfsbane gets awefully packed. During prime hours your looking at a long wait time. Mostly because its the unofficial Aussie server. Which is where my ex-gf is from. Corthana is about the same but a bit less peak traffic, but more consistent off time. All in all I am pleased with how the game populations are shaping up. If they can settle around 250k subs cosistently there set.
I'de like to point out something. Im working in a small college town. Most are gearing for graduation from HS and College at this point. I'm willing to bet a lot of people have given up playing games at this point to begin wrapping up school stuff. Even I have been to busy to login a play these last few weeks. I dont use xfire so my logins wouldnt count anyway, but im just pointing out that right now is a very busy time for some people.
Looking at the xfire graph it shows March 25 19k minutes played and april 10 22k minutes played. OMG Rift is going up! Picking two random days and comparing numbers means nothing. Monthly trends is what you look at....Take another look at the graph and how it stays on a steady course from launch untill even after the first paid month.
Yes its going down and im sure theyve lost a bunch of players after the free month. But its not as drastic as people make it out to be. I dont care either way. Im just saying its a bit early to come post about how the sky is falling.
I'de like to point out something. Im working in a small college town. Most are gearing for graduation from HS and College at this point. I'm willing to bet a lot of people have given up playing games at this point to begin wrapping up school stuff. Even I have been to busy to login a play these last few weeks. I dont use xfire so my logins wouldnt count anyway, but im just pointing out that right now is a very busy time for some people.
Something to take into account.
Definitely. As the weather warms up, subscriptions and concurrent player numbers take a dip. When school lets out that usually also causes another lull which hangs until about late August or early September when the weather gets colder and people start going back to school.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
It really seems like a lot of people have some sort of grudge against Trion and are WANTING to see this game fail. Why? Are you going to win money if it does? Lose money if it doesn't? It's like it's getting you guys off;
"Oh yeah... of yes... fail... please fail... oh xfire... and numbers... oh they dropped... yes drop for me baby... oh... oh... FAIL!"
Actually, some people are just tired of seeing WoW clones and want every clone to fail, in the hopes that one day, a company comes along and makes a new game instead of a copy of an old game.
Amen to this, f..cking spot on.
I think that's the reason too.
A number of people visiting and posting here just want every MMO that isn't within their taste range to fail. So that explains the constant game bashing of themepark MMO's and the often lack of reason in those discussions: it namely isn't about having a reasonable discussion about a game, but about doing whatever someone can contribute to making a game look bad by bashing it, with the goal of seeing every themepark oriented MMO fail
We don't have to want therm to fail or even like to see them fail...they do that all on their own.
Sadly enough, that statement could have just as easily come from someone who dislikes games such as Shadowbane, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Xsyon, etc.
(This part isn't targeted at you Teala, but at all we old school gamers in general)
Sadly it looks like many of we "old school" vetrans have become the very thing we hate. A group of partisan elitists who instead of living by the idea of "game and let game" want the rest of the MMORPG playing world to be as disenfranchised and bitter as the rest of us. (How many of we hardcore PVP lovers loathed the carebear contingent that came into our games and tried, usually successfully, to get the PVP rules changed to suit their wants?) For me the angry vocal minority trying to spoil my fun has always been the least enjoyable part of online gaming.
So on the topic of the angry vocal minority, if Rift fails, it won't magically make FFA PVP Sandbox games viable again. Big Budget gaming studios won't suddenly think "Well gee whiz, that didn't work. Maybe it IS time to target the incredibly smaller FFA PVP Sadnbox crowd." Instead it will be business as usuall. Companies will try to figure out why the last guys failed and attempt to avoid their worst mistakes. Case in point, SWTOR.
As to player numbers dropping off, well of course they are. Its very easy to get more than one character to level 50 in the first month so most of these people have hit the cap and no longer need to log on for several hours a day to get their gaming fix. I'm playing about half as much these days, not because I'm sick of the game, but because I simply don't need to grind out levels anymore. (Whether people living off just the end game content is a good thing or not is of course very debatable) Until we get some hard numbers on the amount of how many of these people who are playing less actually cancel their subscription, these numbers really don't mean much at all. Case in point, Wow has been thriving by this very same method for quite some time and doesn't look to be slowing down anytime soon.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
I'de like to point out something. Im working in a small college town. Most are gearing for graduation from HS and College at this point. I'm willing to bet a lot of people have given up playing games at this point to begin wrapping up school stuff. Even I have been to busy to login a play these last few weeks. I dont use xfire so my logins wouldnt count anyway, but im just pointing out that right now is a very busy time for some people.
Something to take into account.
Yeah also the finals are are right around the corner for us college folk. I have had to put in a lot of extra work to pick up my grades a little. I will admit some of it is because my wife dragged me into Rifts against my will and I have enjoyed it thus far, and this has caused me to slack a little. I don't use any programs that track game time either but from what I view when I do log in, the game is doing better than I expected. It may even hold my attention untill something better comes out. Either way it's biggest appeal to me is that it ISN"T WoW, though it does have a striking resemblance.
I am one of the WoW haters that frequent these forums, but only because I played the game for years and every time I tried another game, it didn't hold my attention. The game has gotten old and the development team has shown they don't have a creative bone between them. If Trion can hold onto the majority of subscribers they have by bringing in as many as they lose from the content they are saying will be released, then they will do OK for themselves. I didn't expect to play it, but it may hold my attention long enough for me to get my moneys worth untill I find an MMORPG worth staking my time in.
Half the problem here, as I see it, are you people making excuses:
Oh the game is dropping because people have IRL issues (so do ALL games)
Oh the game is dropping because of school stuff (so do ALL games... and for that matter school finals and whatnot are staggered nationwide)
Oh the game is dropping because Japan got hit with an earthquake that knocked a butterfly off its flower that flapped its wings and caused a gust of air to knock my hands off the laptop preventing me from playing.
Stop making excuses as to WHY. The fact is the numbers DO indicate a drop. Just like the WoW numbers are showing a HUGE drop. It is what it is.
I too quit during the first 30 days of game time. I just feel like past level 20 the game is very lacking. I can't quite figure out what it is but I admit that coming from WoW didn't help. More instances or more other ways of obtaining a decent amount of XP is needed for the path to level cap. It just gets way too tedious questing the generic quests and not being able to break the cycle with a good old instance run.
Half the problem here, as I see it, are you people making excuses:
Oh the game is dropping because people have IRL issues (so do ALL games)
Oh the game is dropping because of school stuff (so do ALL games... and for that matter school finals and whatnot are staggered nationwide)
Oh the game is dropping because Japan got hit with an earthquake that knocked a butterfly off its flower that flapped its wings and caused a gust of air to knock my hands off the laptop preventing me from playing.
Stop making excuses as to WHY. The fact is the numbers DO indicate a drop. Just like the WoW numbers are showing a HUGE drop. It is what it is.
Lol nice. I feel your anger.... Keep in mind the guy I was responding to and myself were not making excuses so lets keep that in perspective. I was was merely adding food for thought to go along with the OP's numbers from his Xfire database. While I will agree with others that it isn't the proof of the games disasterouse end being apon us, I will admit it could be used to form ones opinion on what they think is a failure. I never claimed the game was the best out there and I wouldn't say It is gonna die off in a few months and go the way of the other games that need not be mentioned to death. It is, however, not dead and I have not noticed a decline in the time that I have played it. That isn't an excuse and you can feel free to read this and rage about it some more because I will not feed the trolls.
I too quit during the first 30 days of game time. I just feel like past level 20 the game is very lacking. I can't quite figure out what it is but I admit that coming from WoW didn't help. More instances or more other ways of obtaining a decent amount of XP is needed for the path to level cap. It just gets way too tedious questing the generic quests and not being able to break the cycle with a good old instance run.
totally agree and was the same, atm it still needs lots of work as once you see past the shiny polish its no different from any other mmo and gets boring quick.
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Half the problem here, as I see it, are you people making excuses:
Oh the game is dropping because people have IRL issues (so do ALL games)
Oh the game is dropping because of school stuff (so do ALL games... and for that matter school finals and whatnot are staggered nationwide)
Oh the game is dropping because Japan got hit with an earthquake that knocked a butterfly off its flower that flapped its wings and caused a gust of air to knock my hands off the laptop preventing me from playing.
Stop making excuses as to WHY. The fact is the numbers DO indicate a drop. Just like the WoW numbers are showing a HUGE drop. It is what it is.
I could care less that the number do shit, but for those that seem to think the numbers mean all, i just had to post that right now is a very busy time for some.
If for you its an excuse so be it, im my world i call them facts. I do remember quite a few posts from those that started rift saying they would play till it got nice out. some said as soon as the bikes could be ridden the games would go away. All wonderful little facts and reasons at this stage and game numbers might be going down, for those who cant seem to get over the numbers game.
Actually, some people are just tired of seeing WoW clones and want every clone to fail, in the hopes that one day, a company comes along and makes a new game instead of a copy of an old game.
Amen to this, f..cking spot on.
I think that's the reason too.
A number of people visiting and posting here just want every MMO that isn't within their taste range to fail. So that explains the constant game bashing of themepark MMO's and the often lack of reason in those discussions: it namely isn't about having a reasonable discussion about a game, but about doing whatever someone can contribute to making a game look bad by bashing it, with the goal of seeing every themepark oriented MMO fail
We don't have to want therm to fail or even like to see them fail...they do that all on their own.
Sadly enough, that statement could have just as easily come from someone who dislikes games such as Shadowbane, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Xsyon, etc.
Absolutely true, talk about sandbox/non-themepark MMO's failing to fulfill the initial expectations of them.
(This part isn't targeted at you Teala, but at all we old school gamers in general)
Sadly it looks like many of we "old school" vetrans have become the very thing we hate. A group of partisan elitists who instead of living by the idea of "game and let game" want the rest of the MMORPG playing world to be as disenfranchised and bitter as the rest of us. (How many of we hardcore PVP lovers loathed the carebear contingent that came into our games and tried, usually successfully, to get the PVP rules changed to suit their wants?) For me the angry vocal minority trying to spoil my fun has always been the least enjoyable part of online gaming.
This.
I myself don't even dislike sandbox MMO's, I like all kinds of MMORPG's, but I definitely despise the bitter, spiteful and downright hateful mentality a disgruntled and grumpy number of the sandbox crowd is showing continuously on these forums. It's like when you're at party or on a trip and there's this person who can do nothing but complain and whine about everything that he/she can complain about. After a while you start to wish you could drop something strong in their drinks so they'll drop as a log firm asleep or will be as high as a kite and no grinch anymore.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
rehash this topic in about 4 more months. losing players is never a good sign but all games lose people after the 1st month or so. its far to early to shun this game even though I think it sucks but it didn't tank like Warhammer so apparently some people find it enjoyable. Oh & then rehash this topic again once SW:ToR comes out, I'm sure we'll see a sharp drop in players then.
well, after todays restart i was 68 in the queue to join my pvp server. i see plenty of people everywhere, especially when rifts are opening and land is assaulted.
stick these xfire numbers wherever you want op >.>
Half the problem here, as I see it, are you people making excuses:
Oh the game is dropping because people have IRL issues (so do ALL games)
Oh the game is dropping because of school stuff (so do ALL games... and for that matter school finals and whatnot are staggered nationwide)
Oh the game is dropping because Japan got hit with an earthquake that knocked a butterfly off its flower that flapped its wings and caused a gust of air to knock my hands off the laptop preventing me from playing.
Stop making excuses as to WHY. The fact is the numbers DO indicate a drop. Just like the WoW numbers are showing a HUGE drop. It is what it is.
I could care less that the number do shit, but for those that seem to think the numbers mean all, i just had to post that right now is a very busy time for some.
If for you its an excuse so be it, im my world i call them facts. I do remember quite a few posts from those that started rift saying they would play till it got nice out. some said as soon as the bikes could be ridden the games would go away. All wonderful little facts and reasons at this stage and game numbers might be going down, for those who cant seem to get over the numbers game.
What does bikes be ridden have to do with games going away? Care to explain that.
what about the % of players who dont even use xfire ? You think even 25% of players use it ? Before you say yes rethink your answer then rethink it again.
Half the problem here, as I see it, are you people making excuses:
Oh the game is dropping because people have IRL issues (so do ALL games)
Oh the game is dropping because of school stuff (so do ALL games... and for that matter school finals and whatnot are staggered nationwide)
Oh the game is dropping because Japan got hit with an earthquake that knocked a butterfly off its flower that flapped its wings and caused a gust of air to knock my hands off the laptop preventing me from playing.
Stop making excuses as to WHY. The fact is the numbers DO indicate a drop. Just like the WoW numbers are showing a HUGE drop. It is what it is.
I could care less that the number do shit, but for those that seem to think the numbers mean all, i just had to post that right now is a very busy time for some.
If for you its an excuse so be it, im my world i call them facts. I do remember quite a few posts from those that started rift saying they would play till it got nice out. some said as soon as the bikes could be ridden the games would go away. All wonderful little facts and reasons at this stage and game numbers might be going down, for those who cant seem to get over the numbers game.
What does bikes be ridden have to do with games going away? Care to explain that.
Once again Deathtouch was only showing that there are other factors that go into a decline in numbers. One could throw up all sorts of activities that come along with spring and summer season to show why some might find other reasons to be doing something other than playing Rift or any game. I am pretty sure I read the same thing he did about a guy saying he would play until he could ride his bike meaning untill the weather was good for doing his other hobbie. Point is there are other factors that could play into a games declining (though not by much) population OTHER than that game is failing.
Some just really want to play the "I told you so" game and do their best to prove themselves right. Like has been said by others, it is still too early to tell but from somes standpoint, the game is not a failure.
Half the problem here, as I see it, are you people making excuses:
Oh the game is dropping because people have IRL issues (so do ALL games)
Oh the game is dropping because of school stuff (so do ALL games... and for that matter school finals and whatnot are staggered nationwide)
Oh the game is dropping because Japan got hit with an earthquake that knocked a butterfly off its flower that flapped its wings and caused a gust of air to knock my hands off the laptop preventing me from playing.
Stop making excuses as to WHY. The fact is the numbers DO indicate a drop. Just like the WoW numbers are showing a HUGE drop. It is what it is.
I could care less that the number do shit, but for those that seem to think the numbers mean all, i just had to post that right now is a very busy time for some.
If for you its an excuse so be it, im my world i call them facts. I do remember quite a few posts from those that started rift saying they would play till it got nice out. some said as soon as the bikes could be ridden the games would go away. All wonderful little facts and reasons at this stage and game numbers might be going down, for those who cant seem to get over the numbers game.
What does bikes be ridden have to do with games going away? Care to explain that.
He meant as soon as the weather became nice enough for outside activities giving people something to do besides sit in the house in front of a plastic box that goes bing. Not that hard to suss out really.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Yes yes, we understand what he was saying, but what does that have to do with the discussion. Any excuse you make up for Rift numbers dropping would on average cause a similar drop in all MMOs. The discussion is pointing out that Rift has a 20% drop in hours while most other MMOs do not.
This is true but also you have to account that rifts is the new game out. So the loss of players is being analyzed to death. I am sure there are numbers declining in other games as well ( I know I play a lot less this time of year every year) Rifts' like alot of mmos, is seeing a decline after the initial 30 days. The extra stuff to concidder aren't excuses, merely other factors into the loss of subs. No the other games may net be seeing a 20% drop (by Xfires count) in subs, but I am sure they fluctuate.
There are no excuses, it is common sence that people leave after trial periods of games they decided weren't worth the sub and clearly Rift is no different.
Yes yes, we understand what he was saying, but what does that have to do with the discussion. Any excuse you make up for Rift numbers dropping would on average cause a similar drop in all MMOs. The discussion is pointing out that Rift has a 20% drop in hours while most other MMOs do not.
Negating for a moment the fact that all figures can only partially be trusted and should be regarded in perspective: I didn't take daily samples, but I do have some figures that I noted.
I took a sample of sunday, Feb 20th and compared to yesterday's sunday, this is how they compare:
Feb 20th - Apr 12th - % change
- WoW 224k (hrs) 174k - 22.5 %
- Aion 14k 11.1k - 21 %
- LotrO 10.4k 9k - 13.5 %
- GW 8.6k 7.2k - 16 %
- EVE 9.9k 9.5k - 4 %
The major MMO's seemed to have experienced a drop off as well in that timeperiod.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Yes yes, we understand what he was saying, but what does that have to do with the discussion. Any excuse you make up for Rift numbers dropping would on average cause a similar drop in all MMOs. The discussion is pointing out that Rift has a 20% drop in hours while most other MMOs do not.
Negating for a moment the fact that all figures can only partially be trusted and should be regarded in perspective: I didn't take daily samples, but I do have some figures that I noted.
I took a sample of sunday, Feb 20th and compared to yesterday's sunday, this is how they compare:
Feb 20th - Apr 12th - % change
- WoW 224k (hrs) 174k - 22.5 %
- Aion 14k 11.1k - 21 %
- LotrO 10.4k 9k - 13.5 %
- GW 8.6k 7.2k - 16 %
- EVE 9.9k 9.5k - 4 %
The major MMO's seemed to have experienced a drop off as well in that timeperiod.
EVE numbers fluctuate often because so many people use multiple accounts so there's bound to be spikes of lost subs due to people letting one or two of their alt accounts expire. Next month might see an increase, that's how often the numbers change. lol
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We don't have to want therm to fail or even like to see them fail...they do that all on their own.
Myself and 5 of my buddies all decided to NOT sub past our 30 days free because after the first 20 levels the game really becomes a drag ... a been there done that type feel to it. Boring i guess is one way of putting it. The game really has nothing new to it to really keep it fun and exciting. Just grind grind grind or Rift hunt but hope you can close the rifts because norm people just run past them becasue they are bored of them as well. Pvp feels very stale to me very very stale like people are just going thru the motions. Classs are unbalanced really unballanced and GLfixing that Trion. Also for me spending hours trying to organize a grp for dungeon runs sucks. The community sucks too only people that talk are trolls.... but w/e imo if this game came out as it is today maybe 6 years ago then it would be awesome but its 6 years to late for me. So for now guess ill be playing black-ops untill something new comes out thats not just another "clone"
I play on Corthana and Wolfsbane and at this point the population is extremely healthy through all level ranges. Wolfsbane gets awefully packed. During prime hours your looking at a long wait time. Mostly because its the unofficial Aussie server. Which is where my ex-gf is from. Corthana is about the same but a bit less peak traffic, but more consistent off time. All in all I am pleased with how the game populations are shaping up. If they can settle around 250k subs cosistently there set.
I'de like to point out something. Im working in a small college town. Most are gearing for graduation from HS and College at this point. I'm willing to bet a lot of people have given up playing games at this point to begin wrapping up school stuff. Even I have been to busy to login a play these last few weeks. I dont use xfire so my logins wouldnt count anyway, but im just pointing out that right now is a very busy time for some people.
Something to take into account.
So it basicly follows the trend of every MMO, no surprise there. Hopefully they will keep enough players to keep going.
Yes its going down and im sure theyve lost a bunch of players after the free month. But its not as drastic as people make it out to be. I dont care either way. Im just saying its a bit early to come post about how the sky is falling.
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Definitely. As the weather warms up, subscriptions and concurrent player numbers take a dip. When school lets out that usually also causes another lull which hangs until about late August or early September when the weather gets colder and people start going back to school.
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Thats because of the initial race to 50 (level cap) is over.
Sadly enough, that statement could have just as easily come from someone who dislikes games such as Shadowbane, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Xsyon, etc.
(This part isn't targeted at you Teala, but at all we old school gamers in general)
Sadly it looks like many of we "old school" vetrans have become the very thing we hate. A group of partisan elitists who instead of living by the idea of "game and let game" want the rest of the MMORPG playing world to be as disenfranchised and bitter as the rest of us. (How many of we hardcore PVP lovers loathed the carebear contingent that came into our games and tried, usually successfully, to get the PVP rules changed to suit their wants?) For me the angry vocal minority trying to spoil my fun has always been the least enjoyable part of online gaming.
So on the topic of the angry vocal minority, if Rift fails, it won't magically make FFA PVP Sandbox games viable again. Big Budget gaming studios won't suddenly think "Well gee whiz, that didn't work. Maybe it IS time to target the incredibly smaller FFA PVP Sadnbox crowd." Instead it will be business as usuall. Companies will try to figure out why the last guys failed and attempt to avoid their worst mistakes. Case in point, SWTOR.
As to player numbers dropping off, well of course they are. Its very easy to get more than one character to level 50 in the first month so most of these people have hit the cap and no longer need to log on for several hours a day to get their gaming fix. I'm playing about half as much these days, not because I'm sick of the game, but because I simply don't need to grind out levels anymore. (Whether people living off just the end game content is a good thing or not is of course very debatable) Until we get some hard numbers on the amount of how many of these people who are playing less actually cancel their subscription, these numbers really don't mean much at all. Case in point, Wow has been thriving by this very same method for quite some time and doesn't look to be slowing down anytime soon.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Yeah also the finals are are right around the corner for us college folk. I have had to put in a lot of extra work to pick up my grades a little. I will admit some of it is because my wife dragged me into Rifts against my will and I have enjoyed it thus far, and this has caused me to slack a little. I don't use any programs that track game time either but from what I view when I do log in, the game is doing better than I expected. It may even hold my attention untill something better comes out. Either way it's biggest appeal to me is that it ISN"T WoW, though it does have a striking resemblance.
I am one of the WoW haters that frequent these forums, but only because I played the game for years and every time I tried another game, it didn't hold my attention. The game has gotten old and the development team has shown they don't have a creative bone between them. If Trion can hold onto the majority of subscribers they have by bringing in as many as they lose from the content they are saying will be released, then they will do OK for themselves. I didn't expect to play it, but it may hold my attention long enough for me to get my moneys worth untill I find an MMORPG worth staking my time in.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Half the problem here, as I see it, are you people making excuses:
Oh the game is dropping because people have IRL issues (so do ALL games)
Oh the game is dropping because of school stuff (so do ALL games... and for that matter school finals and whatnot are staggered nationwide)
Oh the game is dropping because Japan got hit with an earthquake that knocked a butterfly off its flower that flapped its wings and caused a gust of air to knock my hands off the laptop preventing me from playing.
Stop making excuses as to WHY. The fact is the numbers DO indicate a drop. Just like the WoW numbers are showing a HUGE drop. It is what it is.
I too quit during the first 30 days of game time. I just feel like past level 20 the game is very lacking. I can't quite figure out what it is but I admit that coming from WoW didn't help. More instances or more other ways of obtaining a decent amount of XP is needed for the path to level cap. It just gets way too tedious questing the generic quests and not being able to break the cycle with a good old instance run.
Lol nice. I feel your anger.... Keep in mind the guy I was responding to and myself were not making excuses so lets keep that in perspective. I was was merely adding food for thought to go along with the OP's numbers from his Xfire database. While I will agree with others that it isn't the proof of the games disasterouse end being apon us, I will admit it could be used to form ones opinion on what they think is a failure. I never claimed the game was the best out there and I wouldn't say It is gonna die off in a few months and go the way of the other games that need not be mentioned to death. It is, however, not dead and I have not noticed a decline in the time that I have played it. That isn't an excuse and you can feel free to read this and rage about it some more because I will not feed the trolls.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
totally agree and was the same, atm it still needs lots of work as once you see past the shiny polish its no different from any other mmo and gets boring quick.
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I could care less that the number do shit, but for those that seem to think the numbers mean all, i just had to post that right now is a very busy time for some.
If for you its an excuse so be it, im my world i call them facts. I do remember quite a few posts from those that started rift saying they would play till it got nice out. some said as soon as the bikes could be ridden the games would go away. All wonderful little facts and reasons at this stage and game numbers might be going down, for those who cant seem to get over the numbers game.
This.
I myself don't even dislike sandbox MMO's, I like all kinds of MMORPG's, but I definitely despise the bitter, spiteful and downright hateful mentality a disgruntled and grumpy number of the sandbox crowd is showing continuously on these forums. It's like when you're at party or on a trip and there's this person who can do nothing but complain and whine about everything that he/she can complain about. After a while you start to wish you could drop something strong in their drinks so they'll drop as a log firm asleep or will be as high as a kite and no grinch anymore.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
rehash this topic in about 4 more months. losing players is never a good sign but all games lose people after the 1st month or so. its far to early to shun this game even though I think it sucks but it didn't tank like Warhammer so apparently some people find it enjoyable. Oh & then rehash this topic again once SW:ToR comes out, I'm sure we'll see a sharp drop in players then.
well, after todays restart i was 68 in the queue to join my pvp server. i see plenty of people everywhere, especially when rifts are opening and land is assaulted.
stick these xfire numbers wherever you want op >.>
What does bikes be ridden have to do with games going away? Care to explain that.
what about the % of players who dont even use xfire ? You think even 25% of players use it ? Before you say yes rethink your answer then rethink it again.
Once again Deathtouch was only showing that there are other factors that go into a decline in numbers. One could throw up all sorts of activities that come along with spring and summer season to show why some might find other reasons to be doing something other than playing Rift or any game. I am pretty sure I read the same thing he did about a guy saying he would play until he could ride his bike meaning untill the weather was good for doing his other hobbie. Point is there are other factors that could play into a games declining (though not by much) population OTHER than that game is failing.
Some just really want to play the "I told you so" game and do their best to prove themselves right. Like has been said by others, it is still too early to tell but from somes standpoint, the game is not a failure.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
He meant as soon as the weather became nice enough for outside activities giving people something to do besides sit in the house in front of a plastic box that goes bing. Not that hard to suss out really.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
This is true but also you have to account that rifts is the new game out. So the loss of players is being analyzed to death. I am sure there are numbers declining in other games as well ( I know I play a lot less this time of year every year) Rifts' like alot of mmos, is seeing a decline after the initial 30 days. The extra stuff to concidder aren't excuses, merely other factors into the loss of subs. No the other games may net be seeing a 20% drop (by Xfires count) in subs, but I am sure they fluctuate.
There are no excuses, it is common sence that people leave after trial periods of games they decided weren't worth the sub and clearly Rift is no different.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Negating for a moment the fact that all figures can only partially be trusted and should be regarded in perspective: I didn't take daily samples, but I do have some figures that I noted.
I took a sample of sunday, Feb 20th and compared to yesterday's sunday, this is how they compare:
Feb 20th - Apr 12th - % change
- WoW 224k (hrs) 174k - 22.5 %
- Aion 14k 11.1k - 21 %
- LotrO 10.4k 9k - 13.5 %
- GW 8.6k 7.2k - 16 %
- EVE 9.9k 9.5k - 4 %
The major MMO's seemed to have experienced a drop off as well in that timeperiod.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
EVE numbers fluctuate often because so many people use multiple accounts so there's bound to be spikes of lost subs due to people letting one or two of their alt accounts expire. Next month might see an increase, that's how often the numbers change. lol