I support the idea of a classic server. Like what SOE did with Everquest.
I don't support a re-launch of NGE onto a new server.
I agree with you but a fresh start server would atleast have a chance of happening. Waiting for a pre NGE/CU server is whats pointless cause its not going to happen.
I suppose I don't understand the purpose of re-launching a failing MMO onto a new server. Especially when there was a superior, more popular version of that MMO.
I think some folks have missed the point of the thread. The OP is NOT suggesting a new server with an old (PRE-NGE) version of the game. The OP is suggesting a new server using the current (NGE) version of the game. Yes that means the NGE. That means seven years worth of updates and content.
Now I understand a lot of people don't like the NGE. That's fine. I think hating on the NGE has been done to death, but I'd be willing to debate someone on the issue. Just not in this thread. The purpose of this thread is to see how many people who be interested in playing SWG (IN IT'S CURRENT STATE) on a brand new server. I would be interested in playing SWG with the NGE on a brand new server.
I think, SWG in its current state is a decent game. PLaying on a new server would mean no urban sprawl. No one with billions of credits. No one with all the best weapons, armor, etc. A clean start on the current software. I think it would be fun. Half the enjoyment in SWG was in building up your character. Builing a guild, starting a city, etc. Everyone would have to do all of that again. With everyone in a hold pattern for TOR, I think there are a lot of people who would enjoy something like that. If you don't like the NGE, you're just not one of those people.
I've played both pre and new (not so new now) swg. They're really differen't, obviously. But the newer (again not so new) version really isn't that bad.
I got to like level 25 during a trial once. I had a good time. If they launched a fresh server I would definitly play.
I'm not sure how long it's been since you played, but progression from start to end game is a pretty long road these days. I do remember the time period when that was possible but it hasn't been for several years now as far as I'm aware. The exception to this may be the entertainer profession.
They may well have changed the Dant pet grind so you can't level up in the space of 24 hours, but they sure as hell haven't removed AFK macros and AOE effects.
It's one of the quickest and easiest 'grinds' out there. Sorry, I just can see the point in a fresh start server, for anything other than a land grab for housing.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Originally posted by morlock9 Many of us have fond and not so fond memories from Star Wars Galaxies. Though I'm looking forward to SWTOR, I would love to go back and enjoy some time in Galaxies on a new server that does not allow the transfer of items, money, or characters. Would you have interest in playing on a server where everyone starts on a level playing field? Where the world is fresh and uncluttered with homes and cities of players long gone? Where you could be the first to master your profession be it combat, crafting, or social? Where the economy is fresh and simple items do not cost millions of credits... I would think this would be a complete win for Sony with little investment. How many of you would go back for a little SWG restart from scratch? Please /sign if you have interest in supporting.
I will sign under one condition... no TCG.
and I know SOE would never allow a fresh start server without the TCG.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!" ............... "I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. " __Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__ ...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
Originally posted by morlock9 I'm not sure how long it's been since you played, but progression from start to end game is a pretty long road these days. I do remember the time period when that was possible but it hasn't been for several years now as far as I'm aware. The exception to this may be the entertainer profession.
They may well have changed the Dant pet grind so you can't level up in the space of 24 hours, but they sure as hell haven't removed AFK macros and AOE effects.
It's one of the quickest and easiest 'grinds' out there. Sorry, I just can see the point in a fresh start server, for anything other than a land grab for housing.
I play SWG, you know what I think of AFK players running macro's?
I see AFK Macro's in SWG having as much honor as AFK Macro Mining Bots in EVE, e.g. nothing says "you're just a meal ticket" like an AFK entertainer.
AFK macros are an exploit as far as I am concerned. So is grouping with level 90's to go from 10 to 90 fast imho.
Yes the Dev's gave players the ability to use Macros in the game, but like so many other decisions they made, they were wrong to do so. MMOs are meant to be played at the Keyboard.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!" ............... "I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. " __Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__ ...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
Originally posted by Yamota Sorry to say but this game will only be alive until SW:TOR is in development. Once released I dont see much or any support for this game.
I fear you are correct. Once TOR is released SOE's Master (LA) will order that SWG be allowed to die, just like Vanguard. That would free up personnel at SOE for EQ Next.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!" ............... "I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. " __Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__ ...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
Sorry to say but this game will only be alive until SW:TOR is in development. Once released I dont see much or any support for this game.
I fear you are correct. Once TOR is released SOE's Master (LA) will order that SWG be allowed to die, just like Vanguard. That would free up personnel at SOE for EQ Next.
Actually SWG is most likely on "its last legs" now. Read the latest producers letter. It doesnt sound very good for them/
Originally posted by Yamota Sorry to say but this game will only be alive until SW:TOR is in development. Once released I dont see much or any support for this game.
I fear you are correct. Once TOR is released SOE's Master (LA) will order that SWG be allowed to die, just like Vanguard. That would free up personnel at SOE for EQ Next.
Actually SWG is most likely on "its last legs" now. Read the latest producers letter. It doesnt sound very good for them/
It still has Devs and resources devoted to it, for now. I can see it ingame. Once TOR is released that may change however.
As for the Producer's Letter... it's the same type of letter SOE's other games are getting.... "We are doing great and we are planning new content in future"... blah blah blah... which translates as "we are loosing money to other MMOs and we are saving face".
Same thing most American corporations do in times of reduced profits. Nothing new.
Rift may be an exciting rocket of a MMO (and may last as long), but it has pulled money from the older MMOs like SWG, I have no doubt about that. So has other MMOs released recently, especially the F2Ps.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!" ............... "I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. " __Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__ ...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
I'm not sure how much of a lasting impact TOR would have on SWG numbers. The games, despite thier IP are not really very comparable, even since the NGE and their attempts to make it so. There would be players trying TOR out obviously, but as with most games if the player was inclined to sub to SWG in the first place I don't see why they wouldn't go back. I don't know how many SW fans play SWG purely for the IP but these are the ones they will potentially lose.
If think SOE's announcement was very 'on the fence' there is no doubt in my mind there was an element of hedging their bets and see how things evolve.
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The one think you have to realize is swtor has msot of the original swg developers and indeed the original lead producer of swg working on it. From what has been said about the engine, it is heavily upgradeable, and the developers and producer would seem very interested in scaling the engine to handle updated crafting etc.
I'm not sure how long it's been since you played, but progression from start to end game is a pretty long road these days. I do remember the time period when that was possible but it hasn't been for several years now as far as I'm aware. The exception to this may be the entertainer profession.
They may well have changed the Dant pet grind so you can't level up in the space of 24 hours, but they sure as hell haven't removed AFK macros and AOE effects.
It's one of the quickest and easiest 'grinds' out there. Sorry, I just can see the point in a fresh start server, for anything other than a land grab for housing.
I play SWG, you know what I think of AFK players running macro's?
I see AFK Macro's in SWG having as much honor as AFK Macro Mining Bots in EVE, e.g. nothing says "you're just a meal ticket" like an AFK entertainer.
AFK macros are an exploit as far as I am concerned. So is grouping with level 90's to go from 10 to 90 fast imho.
Yes the Dev's gave players the ability to use Macros in the game, but like so many other decisions they made, they were wrong to do so. MMOs are meant to be played at the Keyboard.
I agree, but that's besides the point really. You can do it and the devs don't clamp down on it, hence there doesn't really seem any point in a fresh start server.
In all honesty, even if you couldn't afk macro, I personally didn't come away from SWG thinking, "wow now that was a hard game to progress in".
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I would love to say that SWG will restart with a new server. But sony does not care! never has never will. they would rather let SWG die like it slowly has then spend any real effort.
This is the game that broke the camels back. What sony does'nt realize it can still be the game that brings them back from bankruptcy. But their hate of us SWG vets is great. they would rather off it then let us have the game back we loved. or even a new server to start on.
I would love to say that SWG will restart with a new server. But sony does not care! never has never will. they would rather let SWG die like it slowly has then spend any real effort.
This is the game that broke the camels back. What sony does'nt realize it can still be the game that brings them back from bankruptcy. But their hate of us SWG vets is great. they would rather off it then let us have the game back we loved. or even a new server to start on.
I agree. SOE would seem to prefer mismanaging their way into non-existance rather than to admit mistakes and follow up with remedial actions. This is especially the case for a game that requires them to share part of the pie with an IP that isnt theirs. At this point I think SWG is too long in the tooth to gain any mass appeal. Even though the game's systems are solid, the awkwardness of the modifications that have been made to the original engine, the glaringly flawed LOS issues and SWG carrying the visuals and animations of an eight year old game basically seal its fate.
I just cant see the point in it. Do you really believe that there would be enough interested people to make a fresh start server worth it? I doubt it. At this point the game is all set up to go on cruise control until they finally shut it down. The few people that want a fresh server just wouldn't justify the expense (no matter how small that expense may be) of making one. People will not come back in droves to a fresh server on a game that is just about dead.
The ONLY thing that is keeping the remaining players in swg is the freedom to do what you want when you want, the sandbox style of play. If swtor added those mechanics into teh game ( and they wont, as theyve already said) they would be on to an mmo that would easily surpass wow in every respect.
Unfortunately, this definitely will not happen. SOE shut down roughly half of the SWG servers about 18 months ago, and another round of server merging is badly needed. This next server merge will never actually occur, however, as SOE now has a $25 full transfer system in place. Basically, SOE has decided to charge willing players $25 to switch to servers that still have a playerbase, and lose the players on low-pop servers that don't wish to pay for a transfer.
I would suggest to those who are truly interested in the idea of a "fresh start" server to come together and choose one of the extremely low-pop servers (shadowfire, gorath, or even bloodfin, for example), and quietly start new characters there. You may find a few castaways remaining on these servers, but not enough to really affect what you are trying to create.
Unfortunately, this definitely will not happen. SOE shut down roughly half of the SWG servers about 18 months ago, and another round of server merging is badly needed. This next server merge will never actually occur, however, as SOE now has a $25 full transfer system in place. Basically, SOE has decided to charge willing players $25 to switch to servers that still have a playerbase, and lose the players on low-pop servers that don't wish to pay for a transfer.
I would suggest to those who are truly interested in the idea of a "fresh start" server to come together and choose one of the extremely low-pop servers (shadowfire, gorath, or even bloodfin, for example), and quietly start new characters there. You may find a few castaways remaining on these servers, but not enough to really affect what you are trying to create.
Are you going to purge all the cities in those extremely low-pop servers for us?
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I support the idea of a classic server. Like what SOE did with Everquest.
I don't support a re-launch of NGE onto a new server.
I suppose I don't understand the purpose of re-launching a failing MMO onto a new server. Especially when there was a superior, more popular version of that MMO.
I think some folks have missed the point of the thread. The OP is NOT suggesting a new server with an old (PRE-NGE) version of the game. The OP is suggesting a new server using the current (NGE) version of the game. Yes that means the NGE. That means seven years worth of updates and content.
Now I understand a lot of people don't like the NGE. That's fine. I think hating on the NGE has been done to death, but I'd be willing to debate someone on the issue. Just not in this thread. The purpose of this thread is to see how many people who be interested in playing SWG (IN IT'S CURRENT STATE) on a brand new server. I would be interested in playing SWG with the NGE on a brand new server.
I think, SWG in its current state is a decent game. PLaying on a new server would mean no urban sprawl. No one with billions of credits. No one with all the best weapons, armor, etc. A clean start on the current software. I think it would be fun. Half the enjoyment in SWG was in building up your character. Builing a guild, starting a city, etc. Everyone would have to do all of that again. With everyone in a hold pattern for TOR, I think there are a lot of people who would enjoy something like that. If you don't like the NGE, you're just not one of those people.
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i would completely /sign.
I've played both pre and new (not so new now) swg. They're really differen't, obviously. But the newer (again not so new) version really isn't that bad.
I got to like level 25 during a trial once. I had a good time. If they launched a fresh server I would definitly play.
They may well have changed the Dant pet grind so you can't level up in the space of 24 hours, but they sure as hell haven't removed AFK macros and AOE effects.
It's one of the quickest and easiest 'grinds' out there. Sorry, I just can see the point in a fresh start server, for anything other than a land grab for housing.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I will sign under one condition... no TCG.
and I know SOE would never allow a fresh start server without the TCG.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!"
...............
"I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. "
__Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__
...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
I play SWG, you know what I think of AFK players running macro's?
I see AFK Macro's in SWG having as much honor as AFK Macro Mining Bots in EVE, e.g. nothing says "you're just a meal ticket" like an AFK entertainer.
AFK macros are an exploit as far as I am concerned. So is grouping with level 90's to go from 10 to 90 fast imho.
Yes the Dev's gave players the ability to use Macros in the game, but like so many other decisions they made, they were wrong to do so. MMOs are meant to be played at the Keyboard.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!"
...............
"I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. "
__Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__
...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
Sorry to say but this game will only be alive until SW:TOR is in development. Once released I dont see much or any support for this game.
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I fear you are correct. Once TOR is released SOE's Master (LA) will order that SWG be allowed to die, just like Vanguard. That would free up personnel at SOE for EQ Next.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!"
...............
"I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. "
__Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__
...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
Actually SWG is most likely on "its last legs" now. Read the latest producers letter. It doesnt sound very good for them/
It still has Devs and resources devoted to it, for now. I can see it ingame. Once TOR is released that may change however.
As for the Producer's Letter... it's the same type of letter SOE's other games are getting.... "We are doing great and we are planning new content in future"... blah blah blah... which translates as "we are loosing money to other MMOs and we are saving face".
Same thing most American corporations do in times of reduced profits. Nothing new.
Rift may be an exciting rocket of a MMO (and may last as long), but it has pulled money from the older MMOs like SWG, I have no doubt about that. So has other MMOs released recently, especially the F2Ps.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!"
...............
"I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. "
__Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__
...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
Actually, in recent leters they have discussed content and development well into the future. The latest ones barely mention next year.
I'm not sure how much of a lasting impact TOR would have on SWG numbers. The games, despite thier IP are not really very comparable, even since the NGE and their attempts to make it so. There would be players trying TOR out obviously, but as with most games if the player was inclined to sub to SWG in the first place I don't see why they wouldn't go back. I don't know how many SW fans play SWG purely for the IP but these are the ones they will potentially lose.
If think SOE's announcement was very 'on the fence' there is no doubt in my mind there was an element of hedging their bets and see how things evolve.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
The one think you have to realize is swtor has msot of the original swg developers and indeed the original lead producer of swg working on it. From what has been said about the engine, it is heavily upgradeable, and the developers and producer would seem very interested in scaling the engine to handle updated crafting etc.
.never going to happen.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
I agree, but that's besides the point really. You can do it and the devs don't clamp down on it, hence there doesn't really seem any point in a fresh start server.
In all honesty, even if you couldn't afk macro, I personally didn't come away from SWG thinking, "wow now that was a hard game to progress in".
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I would love to say that SWG will restart with a new server. But sony does not care! never has never will. they would rather let SWG die like it slowly has then spend any real effort.
This is the game that broke the camels back. What sony does'nt realize it can still be the game that brings them back from bankruptcy. But their hate of us SWG vets is great. they would rather off it then let us have the game back we loved. or even a new server to start on.
I agree. SOE would seem to prefer mismanaging their way into non-existance rather than to admit mistakes and follow up with remedial actions. This is especially the case for a game that requires them to share part of the pie with an IP that isnt theirs. At this point I think SWG is too long in the tooth to gain any mass appeal. Even though the game's systems are solid, the awkwardness of the modifications that have been made to the original engine, the glaringly flawed LOS issues and SWG carrying the visuals and animations of an eight year old game basically seal its fate.
I just cant see the point in it. Do you really believe that there would be enough interested people to make a fresh start server worth it? I doubt it. At this point the game is all set up to go on cruise control until they finally shut it down. The few people that want a fresh server just wouldn't justify the expense (no matter how small that expense may be) of making one. People will not come back in droves to a fresh server on a game that is just about dead.
The ONLY thing that is keeping the remaining players in swg is the freedom to do what you want when you want, the sandbox style of play. If swtor added those mechanics into teh game ( and they wont, as theyve already said) they would be on to an mmo that would easily surpass wow in every respect.
Id give it a whirl until SW:ToR came out. Just some fond memories and getting back into the swing of the SW thingys!
Unfortunately, this definitely will not happen. SOE shut down roughly half of the SWG servers about 18 months ago, and another round of server merging is badly needed. This next server merge will never actually occur, however, as SOE now has a $25 full transfer system in place. Basically, SOE has decided to charge willing players $25 to switch to servers that still have a playerbase, and lose the players on low-pop servers that don't wish to pay for a transfer.
I would suggest to those who are truly interested in the idea of a "fresh start" server to come together and choose one of the extremely low-pop servers (shadowfire, gorath, or even bloodfin, for example), and quietly start new characters there. You may find a few castaways remaining on these servers, but not enough to really affect what you are trying to create.
/sign me up obi wan kenobi
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I think I would rather be kicked in the junk than to go back to this steaming pile of camel dung.
Are you going to purge all the cities in those extremely low-pop servers for us?