Users here still give WARHAMMER 8.0 compared to MMORPG.COM review of 8.4 at launch and re-review of 7.5
I dont hate RIFT at all. I just think it has issues that need to be resolved. Issues that will determine if he game is really quality game. So far we have seen some serious issues and TRION has admited to them. There will be more issues coming - and we will have to see if TRION is really commited for the long run.
I have my doubts when I see some of their problem solving atm when it comes to server population balances. They are doing pretty much exactly what WARHAMMER did. They Ignored it - meaning that players that wanted to progress with their characters were not able to - and thus left.
I'm not one to have much of an opinion, but it seems as though if a game barely launches as a lobby-system mmo, it get a passing grade, if one launches well with redundant content and has a culmination of bells and whistles from other games, it gets a better score.
The score is fine. I just think a few new categories might need to be added, to apply more toward MMORPGs. Like a Longevity Category. How long will it last a player. Maybe an Immersion Category(no, RP isn't the same thing) as well.
The score might be fine,but adding more categories is not the answer.The reason is any fanbois can login and press 10/10 foir everything and i am 100% positive this happens.
If you want a creditable system,then you need soemone who has no vested interest in advertisements or the game itself.A perfect person would be soemone who has worked on a high level game engine and understands all the aspects.Allowing the people to vote is just biased voting,it means absolutely nothing to creating a creditable score be it 1/10 or 10/10.
Game design should be left to people who know their stuff and a panel of say 3-5,to get a decent varied outlook on each game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
High score because of high hype. Pure and simple. Rift is like every other game that you anticipate to be good. You are wowed by it for the first couple days and then it starts to ween on you. I remember playing Halo Reach for the first time. Then I immediately got bored of it half way through. Such as Rift was and is. There is just too much old style in it and not enough new style.
Blame the MMO standard for Rift. Rift is a good game because it delivers the user a standard MMO experience that is perfected in some areas. The problem with this is that it has been done before. You can have the best graphics to date for an MMO , it doesnt mean crap (Aion). If you are getting deja vu in a new MMO you are going to get bored real fast. Rift simply just does not have enough innovation to seperate it from the standard MMO crowd.
High score because of high hype. Pure and simple. Rift is like every other game that you anticipate to be good. You are wowed by it for the first couple days and then it starts to ween on you. I remember playing Halo Reach for the first time. Then I immediately got bored of it half way through. Such as Rift was and is. There is just too much old style in it and not enough new style.
Blame the MMO standard for Rift. Rift is a good game because it delivers the user a standard MMO experience that is perfected in some areas. The problem with this is that it has been done before. You can have the best graphics to date for an MMO , it doesnt mean crap (Aion). If you are getting deja vu in a new MMO you are going to get bored real fast. Rift simply just does not have enough innovation to seperate it from the standard MMO crowd.
No MMO game faces the same problems as the ones before them - even if they are clones. The diffrence is how the devs, CMs and GMs handle the issues that come up. There are some huge issues with RIFT that have been "solved" like the hacking issues. It still took them time and effort that should have been prevented if the game was up to the standards needed to handle the real world of MMO gaming issues.
We will see more issues arise next few months. Server populations will be the biggest in the next 1-2 months. Will it be resolved or will those that want to progress be left stranded on dead servers like happened in WAR and AOC ? So far it seems like there is no solutions from TRION at all.
Well I think it is possibly the best new game that has hit in a very long time. Quite possibly the best on the market right now yes i can see that .. compared to ...what? The market is crap right now.
Is that a reason for the high score or an excuse?
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
High score because of high hype. Pure and simple. Rift is like every other game that you anticipate to be good. You are wowed by it for the first couple days and then it starts to ween on you. I remember playing Halo Reach for the first time. Then I immediately got bored of it half way through. Such as Rift was and is. There is just too much old style in it and not enough new style.
Blame the MMO standard for Rift. Rift is a good game because it delivers the user a standard MMO experience that is perfected in some areas. The problem with this is that it has been done before. You can have the best graphics to date for an MMO , it doesnt mean crap (Aion). If you are getting deja vu in a new MMO you are going to get bored real fast. Rift simply just does not have enough innovation to seperate it from the standard MMO crowd.
No MMO game faces the same problems as the ones before them - even if they are clones. The diffrence is how the devs, CMs and GMs handle the issues that come up. There are some huge issues with RIFT that have been "solved" like the hacking issues. It still took them time and effort that should have been prevented if the game was up to the standards needed to handle the real world of MMO gaming issues.
We will see more issues arise next few months. Server populations will be the biggest in the next 1-2 months. Will it be resolved or will those that want to progress be left stranded on dead servers like happened in WAR and AOC ? So far it seems like there is no solutions from TRION at all.
It sounds to me like you weren't very involved in the Rift beta's, and as such have no real experience with how Trion deals with problems, game enhancements, and evaluating player input. Either that, or you're choosing to ignore it in favor of the Chicken Little act. I'm not sure which.
I read these post and wonder what game you guys are playing. The game might not be for everyone but there is plenty about it thats good. Also Rift didn't have a lot of hype til it was nearly out so the rating is really the people who like it. Because the hype meter is different.
Rift has alot to offer from what I've seen. I was questing today and all of the sudden the sky opens up and mobs are dropping on my head. What other game does that? The open group system is not original but it refreashing. The class system has alot to offer people who like to custom talior their skills and the graphics are awesome. The list goes one.
Also are people really that upset about endgame content? The game is like 2 months old and even still at somepoint it has to end. So because there is not alot to do doesn't make it bad. People are crying cause the game is not original and then asking to have end game content like WOW? My advise is that poeple need to enjoy the journey, get lost in the rifts for a few hours, pvp some, explore areas for artifacts, or just hang out in the cool world that Trion worked hard to create. Construtive negative posts are one thing but acting like Rift is a bad game is another.
You can't add 'longevity' as part of an MMO review. You review what's available not what content may or may not be available in the future.
Adding another layer of subjectivety to the review process will produce inconsistent results.
You can still add the Longevity category and just apply it to current content. An MMORPG better be able to keep you playing with it's current content, future content aside. Thats how you rate it. Based on what is available. Think about all the MMORPGs in the last few years where this category would have made a HUGE difference. You all want to know why WoW is so popular? because it made you able to roll, literally, 4 plus characters and each one of them had a different leveling path, thereby increasing how long you could play the game. And it did, I played that game from launch for a good year before I took a break, and was brought right back with the expansions. Now look at AoC. One starting area. I've gotten one character to 80 and every character since then I've tried to play has driven me from the game due to how boring it was to retread the same content. Hence I quit within 3 months of launch and haven't really been back for longer than 1 month at a time.
Hence a Longevity category would be perfect to score this aspect, which is a MAJOR factor in MMORPGs. Currently though, as MMOMaverick stated, all of these games are being scored in similar vain to single player games. That needs to stop.
The score is fine. I just think a few new categories might need to be added, to apply more toward MMORPGs. Like a Longevity Category. How long will it last a player. Maybe an Immersion Category(no, RP isn't the same thing) as well.
The score might be fine,but adding more categories is not the answer.The reason is any fanbois can login and press 10/10 foir everything and i am 100% positive this happens.
If you want a creditable system,then you need soemone who has no vested interest in advertisements or the game itself.A perfect person would be soemone who has worked on a high level game engine and understands all the aspects.Allowing the people to vote is just biased voting,it means absolutely nothing to creating a creditable score be it 1/10 or 10/10.
Game design should be left to people who know their stuff and a panel of say 3-5,to get a decent varied outlook on each game.
That's why there are 2 ranking systems. One from the public(which is just as important, mind you, I mean they are the consumer who games are made FOR) and one from the reviewers of the site(a more professional non biased opinion(s). So problem solved in that regard. Again, the categories should be different due to the genre being different. Single player methods of scoring won't apply to MMORPGs. Except maybe arena based ones, like GW. But they are rare.
"the best game on the MMORPG market" usually comes down to one of two games. It's either WoW or whatever game the individual happens who was asked that question happens to be playing at the time.
What about personal attacks against the site and it's integrity?
Personal attacks of any kind are not tolerated. Hopefully this clears it up. It is okay to have an opinion about something (positive or negative), but as with many things, it's about how you say it; not necessarily what you say.
Don't have nothing against mmorpg or trion as a whole, but the game is just not worth its rating, not by a long shot , maybe in a few months when they have developed more shit, because right now with the endless grinding of T1 dungeons to get enough plaque's for T2 grinding, and then getting enough focus to do greenscale, and then when thats done weekly, whats left to do, right.......
farm for achievements, wupti fucking doo, game is over and done by less than 1 month of gametime, i left the game after less than 3 weeks of playing, and then i was even in greenscale with 3/5 bosses down.......
What about personal attacks against the site and it's integrity?
Personal attacks of any kind are not tolerated. Hopefully this clears it up. It is okay to have an opinion about something (positive or negative), but as with many things, it's about how you say it; not necessarily what you say.
My apologies!
I was pleasantly surprised when I went from Apprentice to full 5 star Elite in under 2 months. I was pleasantly surprised again when I went from Elite to just barely Hardcore in 2 weeks. Apprentice, here I come!
You can't add 'longevity' as part of an MMO review. You review what's available not what content may or may not be available in the future.
Adding another layer of subjectivety to the review process will produce inconsistent results.
You can still add the Longevity category and just apply it to current content. An MMORPG better be able to keep you playing with it's current content, future content aside. Thats how you rate it. Based on what is available. Think about all the MMORPGs in the last few years where this category would have made a HUGE difference. You all want to know why WoW is so popular? because it made you able to roll, literally, 4 plus characters and each one of them had a different leveling path, thereby increasing how long you could play the game. And it did, I played that game from launch for a good year before I took a break, and was brought right back with the expansions. Now look at AoC. One starting area. I've gotten one character to 80 and every character since then I've tried to play has driven me from the game due to how boring it was to retread the same content. Hence I quit within 3 months of launch and haven't really been back for longer than 1 month at a time.
Hence a Longevity category would be perfect to score this aspect, which is a MAJOR factor in MMORPGs. Currently though, as MMOMaverick stated, all of these games are being scored in similar vain to single player games. That needs to stop.
So warhammer had 4 zones and it is still not doing well. One factor we are missing here for WOW really is timing. WOW was lucky enough to come out when people were tired of the serious sandbox grinders. It offered fun, little to no gold spammers, easy gameplay that allowed the average person to be a gamer. WOW became apart of pop culture and it wil be hard for any MMO to really obtain that kind of success now that the market is saturated.
Logevity is not a good category cannot be measured until time has elasped and for this reason it should NOT be added. You can't predicted what people will like so longevity is not really a realistic option. Major factors why WOW had LONGEVITY is gameplay, enjoyable content, and genre innovations. Longevity was only a product of that of those factors.
Don't have nothing against mmorpg or trion as a whole, but the game is just not worth its rating, not by a long shot , maybe in a few months when they have developed more shit, because right now with the endless grinding of T1 dungeons to get enough plaque's for T2 grinding, and then getting enough focus to do greenscale, and then when thats done weekly, whats left to do, right.......
farm for achievements, wupti fucking doo, game is over and done by less than 1 month of gametime, i left the game after less than 3 weeks of playing, and then i was even in greenscale with 3/5 bosses down.......
Game is just pretty fucking boring and repetive.
The problem with people now is they forgot the MMO part of MMORPG. Since when were games not repetive? It about the multi-player experience in MMOs.
I does not deserve that high of a score when compared to how this site rates other games.
Credibility of MMORPG.com continues to wither away.
This site does not rate games. Players rate games, the site just displays those polls. Each person has a unique point of view and certain types of games that appeal to them. Even if a game has a high rating, you might not like it because it just isn't for you.
My beef is not with Rift, its a top 1/3 MMO, but its not the best MMO to EVER come out and thats what MMORPG.com is trying to say.
Well some game has to have the highest score, for now....
So again, what IS the best MMO ever made? Go on, do tell. Which is the best MMO ever made in your opinion, and then we'll compare it to Rift and lets see what happens...
I does not deserve that high of a score when compared to how this site rates other games.
Credibility of MMORPG.com continues to wither away.
Sure... if you want to rush rift in 2 weeks you will get bored and dislike it pretty much, try to do the quest AND reading it first, look for artifacts, I'm pretty sure you will find it quite interesting. But if you want to chew out a mmo dont play Rift you willl get bored fast enough. Try FF14, theres a mmo you can chew, chew and rechew.
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Users here still give WARHAMMER 8.0 compared to MMORPG.COM review of 8.4 at launch and re-review of 7.5
I dont hate RIFT at all. I just think it has issues that need to be resolved. Issues that will determine if he game is really quality game. So far we have seen some serious issues and TRION has admited to them. There will be more issues coming - and we will have to see if TRION is really commited for the long run.
I have my doubts when I see some of their problem solving atm when it comes to server population balances. They are doing pretty much exactly what WARHAMMER did. They Ignored it - meaning that players that wanted to progress with their characters were not able to - and thus left.
I'm not one to have much of an opinion, but it seems as though if a game barely launches as a lobby-system mmo, it get a passing grade, if one launches well with redundant content and has a culmination of bells and whistles from other games, it gets a better score.
Star Trek Online: 7.5
Rift: 8.7
The score might be fine,but adding more categories is not the answer.The reason is any fanbois can login and press 10/10 foir everything and i am 100% positive this happens.
If you want a creditable system,then you need soemone who has no vested interest in advertisements or the game itself.A perfect person would be soemone who has worked on a high level game engine and understands all the aspects.Allowing the people to vote is just biased voting,it means absolutely nothing to creating a creditable score be it 1/10 or 10/10.
Game design should be left to people who know their stuff and a panel of say 3-5,to get a decent varied outlook on each game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
We're not in Azeroth anymore.
High score because of high hype. Pure and simple. Rift is like every other game that you anticipate to be good. You are wowed by it for the first couple days and then it starts to ween on you. I remember playing Halo Reach for the first time. Then I immediately got bored of it half way through. Such as Rift was and is. There is just too much old style in it and not enough new style.
Blame the MMO standard for Rift. Rift is a good game because it delivers the user a standard MMO experience that is perfected in some areas. The problem with this is that it has been done before. You can have the best graphics to date for an MMO , it doesnt mean crap (Aion). If you are getting deja vu in a new MMO you are going to get bored real fast. Rift simply just does not have enough innovation to seperate it from the standard MMO crowd.
-I am here to perform logic
No MMO game faces the same problems as the ones before them - even if they are clones. The diffrence is how the devs, CMs and GMs handle the issues that come up. There are some huge issues with RIFT that have been "solved" like the hacking issues. It still took them time and effort that should have been prevented if the game was up to the standards needed to handle the real world of MMO gaming issues.
We will see more issues arise next few months. Server populations will be the biggest in the next 1-2 months. Will it be resolved or will those that want to progress be left stranded on dead servers like happened in WAR and AOC ? So far it seems like there is no solutions from TRION at all.
Is that a reason for the high score or an excuse?
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
It sounds to me like you weren't very involved in the Rift beta's, and as such have no real experience with how Trion deals with problems, game enhancements, and evaluating player input. Either that, or you're choosing to ignore it in favor of the Chicken Little act. I'm not sure which.
I read these post and wonder what game you guys are playing. The game might not be for everyone but there is plenty about it thats good. Also Rift didn't have a lot of hype til it was nearly out so the rating is really the people who like it. Because the hype meter is different.
Rift has alot to offer from what I've seen. I was questing today and all of the sudden the sky opens up and mobs are dropping on my head. What other game does that? The open group system is not original but it refreashing. The class system has alot to offer people who like to custom talior their skills and the graphics are awesome. The list goes one.
Also are people really that upset about endgame content? The game is like 2 months old and even still at somepoint it has to end. So because there is not alot to do doesn't make it bad. People are crying cause the game is not original and then asking to have end game content like WOW? My advise is that poeple need to enjoy the journey, get lost in the rifts for a few hours, pvp some, explore areas for artifacts, or just hang out in the cool world that Trion worked hard to create. Construtive negative posts are one thing but acting like Rift is a bad game is another.
You can still add the Longevity category and just apply it to current content. An MMORPG better be able to keep you playing with it's current content, future content aside. Thats how you rate it. Based on what is available. Think about all the MMORPGs in the last few years where this category would have made a HUGE difference. You all want to know why WoW is so popular? because it made you able to roll, literally, 4 plus characters and each one of them had a different leveling path, thereby increasing how long you could play the game. And it did, I played that game from launch for a good year before I took a break, and was brought right back with the expansions. Now look at AoC. One starting area. I've gotten one character to 80 and every character since then I've tried to play has driven me from the game due to how boring it was to retread the same content. Hence I quit within 3 months of launch and haven't really been back for longer than 1 month at a time.
Hence a Longevity category would be perfect to score this aspect, which is a MAJOR factor in MMORPGs. Currently though, as MMOMaverick stated, all of these games are being scored in similar vain to single player games. That needs to stop.
That's why there are 2 ranking systems. One from the public(which is just as important, mind you, I mean they are the consumer who games are made FOR) and one from the reviewers of the site(a more professional non biased opinion(s). So problem solved in that regard. Again, the categories should be different due to the genre being different. Single player methods of scoring won't apply to MMORPGs. Except maybe arena based ones, like GW. But they are rare.
Sould be a 9, AT LEAST!
"the best game on the MMORPG market" usually comes down to one of two games. It's either WoW or whatever game the individual happens who was asked that question happens to be playing at the time.
Hey guys. Let's remember not to make personal attacks on each other. Thanks.
What about personal attacks against the site and it's integrity?
Personal attacks of any kind are not tolerated. Hopefully this clears it up. It is okay to have an opinion about something (positive or negative), but as with many things, it's about how you say it; not necessarily what you say.
Don't have nothing against mmorpg or trion as a whole, but the game is just not worth its rating, not by a long shot , maybe in a few months when they have developed more shit, because right now with the endless grinding of T1 dungeons to get enough plaque's for T2 grinding, and then getting enough focus to do greenscale, and then when thats done weekly, whats left to do, right.......
farm for achievements, wupti fucking doo, game is over and done by less than 1 month of gametime, i left the game after less than 3 weeks of playing, and then i was even in greenscale with 3/5 bosses down.......
Game is just pretty fucking boring and repetive.
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My apologies!
I was pleasantly surprised when I went from Apprentice to full 5 star Elite in under 2 months. I was pleasantly surprised again when I went from Elite to just barely Hardcore in 2 weeks. Apprentice, here I come!
So warhammer had 4 zones and it is still not doing well. One factor we are missing here for WOW really is timing. WOW was lucky enough to come out when people were tired of the serious sandbox grinders. It offered fun, little to no gold spammers, easy gameplay that allowed the average person to be a gamer. WOW became apart of pop culture and it wil be hard for any MMO to really obtain that kind of success now that the market is saturated.
Logevity is not a good category cannot be measured until time has elasped and for this reason it should NOT be added. You can't predicted what people will like so longevity is not really a realistic option. Major factors why WOW had LONGEVITY is gameplay, enjoyable content, and genre innovations. Longevity was only a product of that of those factors.
The problem with people now is they forgot the MMO part of MMORPG. Since when were games not repetive? It about the multi-player experience in MMOs.
This site does not rate games. Players rate games, the site just displays those polls. Each person has a unique point of view and certain types of games that appeal to them. Even if a game has a high rating, you might not like it because it just isn't for you.
Well some game has to have the highest score, for now....
So again, what IS the best MMO ever made? Go on, do tell. Which is the best MMO ever made in your opinion, and then we'll compare it to Rift and lets see what happens...
Sure... if you want to rush rift in 2 weeks you will get bored and dislike it pretty much, try to do the quest AND reading it first, look for artifacts, I'm pretty sure you will find it quite interesting. But if you want to chew out a mmo dont play Rift you willl get bored fast enough. Try FF14, theres a mmo you can chew, chew and rechew.
Sorry to say but ratings for star wars are getting lower and lower. Rift are still standing. maybe Star wars will be the next APB.
Aion was a really poor starter and it got 8.9, so 8.7 is high but not high in comparison to the other MMO's on here.